chuck, i just want to get initially your take on this list that axios has put together. do you think that is a comprehensive list? not a chance. i think that falls into the category of the known unknowns and the known knowns. every time we see an indictment or a plea agreement out of the mueller team, we read it and say wow, i didn t know that. i never heard of alexander van der zwaan or mr. patten, or i had no idea that cohen did this or the russian military officials did that, every single time. so i presume that we have a tiny fraction of what mueller has. and even trying to guess at what he has that we don t know about i believe is a fool s errand. joyce vance, what s your sense of what we may learn of all of these things that mueller has collected? how much of it are we going to see? and what of it do you think might be the most critical piece here? well, prosecutors don t have any kind of a political timeline. so i feel pretty sure, chuck can correct me if i m wrong, that
the president is saying in the conference. and fact that we re looking at papadopoulos being looking at jail. i mean the government is talking about he needs to go to jail for six month he ll be the second person that s going to be put in jail as a result of this investigation because as you know, there s already a lawyer, alexander van der zwaan already in prison. and former campaign manager. facing potential jail, we don t know. monday or tuesday. so i think the investigation and a president whose back is against the wall. you hear him say no collusion, no collusion, no collusion. that s his go to line. the facts are belying that narrative for him. we have a long list of evidence of potential collusion. not necessarily something that rises to the level of conspiracy charges. danny articulates every day. i think that we as americans need to be patient and also very
i think it actually helped the president. let me just check. you were saying you think rudy giuliani s tv appearances have helped you all. yes, they ve helped us. reverend, i understand. i said this from the very beginning when he was being attacked. i said, you watch. you keep looping in what he is saying. he s finally somebody out there who can defend this president who doesn t have legal liability, right. legal exposure. as to worry about what they say. representing as a lawyer who can be aggressive. he s representing his client. being aggressive. that s something he needed. something the president needed. therefore changed trajectory looking at the polling. with that said, this investigation is a threat to the presidency. the minute it startstarted, the minute the special counsel was appointed. aside from whether or not we agree. let me ask you in terms of what
now, again, this is the tfirst person to be sentenced in what is almost a year-long investigation by the special counsel, so this is an important milestone in this investigation, brianna. evan perez in washington, thank you so much. i am joined now by the ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee, the top democrat in that committee, democratic congressman in new york. alex van der zwaan is the first one sentenced for lying and will be going to prison for 30 days with a $20,000 fine. what s your thoughts on this? he s not going to take anything from anybody, including lying, of course. i think we need to let him do his job and continue and see what happens. clearly you cannot lie and think that you can get away with something like this.
prosecutors was he hid documents and he lied when he talked to the fbi about his interactions with paul manafort and with rick gates. in particular, rick gates has apparently said that he was in touch with a russian spy during the campaign, the middle of the 2016 presidential campaign, in september and october of 2016. and van der zwaan said he helped conceal that information, that rick gates knew that he was in touch with a russian spy, man by the name of konstantin colimnik. we expect the judge is taking a break now, will come back and will announce a sentence, probably on the lower end of that scale, van der zwaan has a wife who is expected to give birth to their baby in august. so that s one reason why we expect perhaps that there will be some leniency as a result of this. and what do we know about this memo on manafort?