chuck, i just want to get initially your take on this list that axios has put together. do you think that is a comprehensive list? >> not a chance. i think that falls into the category of the known unknowns and the known knowns. every time we see an indictment or a plea agreement out of the mueller team, we read it and say wow, i didn't know that. i never heard of alexander van der zwaan or mr. patten, or i had no idea that cohen did this or the russian military officials did that, every single time. so i presume that we have a tiny fraction of what mueller has. and even trying to guess at what he has that we don't know about i believe is a fool's errand. >> joyce vance, what's your sense of what we may learn of all of these things that mueller has collected? how much of it are we going to see? and what of it do you think might be the most critical piece here? >> well, prosecutors don't have any kind of a political timeline. so i feel pretty sure, chuck can correct me if i'm wrong, that