substance. jeffrey to amanda s point. last election round. a lot changed. debate to debate. people went up. went down. disappeared. do you see the same thing happening this time? sure. sure. i mean, rick perry is out there, you know, basically telling his staff. i can t pay you anymore. yes, i mean as this race goes on, i mean for heavens sakes there are 17 people in this race. this is not sustainable for a lot of them beyond a certain point. i would imagine once we get beyond the cnn debate, that you are going to start to see a few more people having a problem. alex, talking to roger stone the other night on the program. i m sure you know him, a long term republican operative. recently parted ways with donald trump. one of the takes on the trump campaign they needed a savvier political operation. i m curious, at some point, perhaps soon, do you see trump s frals getting more conventional? run by people. experienced at taking the campaign across the next stretch
own message in the process. well he is a talented guy. he was, he rose to be budget chairman in the house. in a relatively short amount of time. and that s, everybody in the house and the senate, they were all mr. or ms. basketball, at home. they re all competing. then he ran for governor. been a very, successful governor. even though there were a lot of people that disagreed with him. a talented politician. that s what you have got to be. people don t look to say i am a politician. on the point too, rich, anderson. it might be good enough to got you to 12%. let me make you one guarantee if donald trump and john kasich or john kasich and jeb bush are tied at 22%, 24%. we re in the depth of winter in january, you are going to see kasich make sharp distin tkttions between him and candidates. that changes very quickly. alex, if you are in jeb bush s camp. how panicked are you? not at all. right now, donald trump on top
game in iowa. that s correct. and i would point out that he has rung hning his campaign in iowa, chuck laughtner responsible for santorum s victory. he has a serious iowa professional there. i am sure that, organization is at the top of his list. jeffrey, good to have you on. amanda carpenter. alex. coming up what the new numbers say about hillary clinton. her leading challenger, bernie sanders, and possible challenger, joe biden. dana bash talks with ohio governor john kasich. our eyes, they have a 200 degree which is good for me. hey! and bad for the barkley twins. take care of all your most important parts with centrum.
charisma. he has to stop restraining his charisma. yes. here s what i think the bush people want to do. i haven t tacked to them. i think we know those guys pretty well. what they want to do they just need to stay on trump s shoulder. they can t let him get too far out in front of him. and then just wait for hem, like the, the tour de france. somebody gets way out in front. sooner or later the peleton catches up. reel him in. the guy come in 57th. we ll see. alex, rich, kevin, great to have you on. up next, mrs. trump, donald s wife, he mentioned her on the campaign trail. saying she would make a great first lady. in the spotlight more than ever before. we ll till you about her ahead. jeb bush speaking in north las vegas. las vegas. (speaking to students)
this poll. alex, the early polls from a month or so ago were national numbers. a lot of people dismissed them as kind of who had the most name recognition, celebrity. key state polls, i mean nearly six months out. if trump, jeb bush, scott walker, would people be quick to explain the numbers away? maybe not. i think the challenge for trump. he has the the anti-washington vote right now. he is leading with that. can he grow into a pro-trump vote? this is, right now a big fire burning in the republican party. we want to burn down washington. donald trump is that. that s an anti-washington vote. do we think donald trump can be president? that is going to be the big test for him? can he grow? i would have said a couple weeks ago by the way, absolutely not. now i would say almost absolutely not. a likable guy. a television pro. i think there is a chance that