hop-scotching around the country. rhode island is not going to get a lot of attention mike pence was in utah. that s because evan mcmullin could win utah. i love the map. i look at nate silver every day on the map. he says there s a 68%, ard koing to silver, that clinton carries north carolina. if it s a three, four, five-point race the map is interesting. the map, when you do look at it, it s so hard for him. well, al hunt, the ameritist trustee here at wake forest. my alma mater. the two of them appearing here today, you never would have imagined that. back then we were just giving african-americans the right to vote. we ve come a long way, baby.
voters in charlotte, north carolina, this week expressing their dissatisfaction with both candidates. they were speaking out at a focus group moderated by peter hart, conducted on behalf of the annenberg policy of pennsylvania, peter hart part of the half team that does our wall street journal /nbc news polling. you were at the focus group, al, as well. why do you think people, and here the women voters, target voters of both campaigns, why are these voters having such a hard time relating to both of these candidates? first of all, a number of these these are republican-leaning voters, many of them. they wanted to be for trump and he made it impossible. they say he s an embarrassment now. they re really so turned off by him. as that one woman, they just don t find clinton relatable. and they re not mean high spirited people.
someone you want your children to look up to? is donald trump someone you want to turn on the television every day and see as your president? i should say, while of course her and hillary clinton had their issues going into the white house and over the last couple of years, the idea is donald trump represents someone who is really trying to take down her husband s legacy and trying to question whether or not he was allowed to even be president. this idea she really this feels personal for her when it comes to donald trump, because if he is a person who succeeds president obama, not only will he undo a lot of policies he put into place, but really for the rest of his life and for the rest of history we ll see president obama was the person who came after him was donald trump. i don t think michelle obama wants that to happen. as a result, she s really going as hard as she can to get hillary clinton elected here. thank you both so very much for joining us from washington. coming up
care act program, and private health insurance into a national system and then turn it over to the states to administer. now if if that s the kind of revolution he s talking about, i am worried, folks. al hunt. let s talk about, first of all, you know, hillary and chelsea going after bernie sanders pretty aggressively and apparently having very good reason to do that if you look at the new york times poll and the new polls out of iowa and new hampshire. what s happening in this campaign? well, joe, in the football parlance, they hear footsteps. they know that they re in for a very difficult race. i was disappointed to see chelsea clinton yesterday, not because she is not entitled to say things, but she was just dead wrong. she can t equate what bernie sanders proposes with that republicans have sought to do in congress. he wants a national health
the republican side although they ve spent down the account. they still have a ton of money. they have seemed to basically said, the money we spent on doing positive stuff for jeb bush isn t working, now mark murphy, master of the dark arts, one of the best spot makers ever, is now basically saying, i m going to try to take marco rubio down, that is not a great place to be. regardless of the substances, you don t want to be there. rubio remains the strongest of the four establishment candidates but these other three guys are all eyeing each other. it s complicated. i think kasich might be able to draft a little bit in on this anti-rubio stuff. when we come back, we ll preview tonight s state of the union with two of the best minds in the business, our colleagues at bloomberg, al hunt and margaret tallum join us after this. it took joel silverman years to become a master dog trainer. but only a few commands to master depositing checks at chase atms.