communication does come last but let s play out that audio from your landing on the hudson in 2009. turn right, you can land. we can t do it. okay which runway would you like? we re going to be in the hudson. that was just moments before you landed the plane in water, on water. we didn t hear a distress call from 8501. why not? it s possible that they couldn t. it s possible that they were too busy trying to fly the airplane and saw whatever problems that they were facing. again, they may have been true to their priorities and communication, as you said was one of the last ones. in reality, except for starting a search and rescue effort there wouldn t be a lot of help air traffic control could give you at that point. so i wouldn t read too much into it. it s too early to tell. we had the luxury of being in direct communication with air traffic control immediately after takeoff, but still, first you have to fly the airplane
a very low forward ground speed, but as the other gentleman mentioned in the case a high air speed, in which case the airplane wouldn t have been flyable, but if the airplane goes into the sea, it s going to break up. there s no question about that. so you know what we re talking about here are the violent winds you get inside a thunderstorm these are vertical winds, upwards and downwards rather than the typical jet stream where you could get 100 or even 200 knots over the pacific. but there were no very strong horizontal winds in this area so when you fly into this sort of extreme weather, you will get strange readings on the aircraft and readings transmitted to air traffic control through the transponder system, but, you know, we re second guessing here. when they get the black boxes,
scenario was, had it been that, the airplane wouldn t have flown for another 6 1/2 hours. somebody in the cockpit was commanding the autopilot. chuck nash, thank you. a fox news alert now because now we have the exclusive information about the missing malaysia jetliner. trace gallagher has the details for us. what have you learned, trace? reporter: this is not coming from the malaysian government or another questionable source. this is coming from bluewater recovery, the world record-holder as far as deep engine searches go. they told us moments ago the pings picked up here are, quote, unmistakenably, the black boxes from flight 370. listen very closely and you ll hear what the pings sound like. play this. almost like a clicking, right?
charles barnett is a boeing 777 pilot. chuck, let me start with you. this report from the new york times that the plane was going at 45,000, then down to 23,000, then back up to 30,000. would that be auto pilot or would a pilot have to be in control of those kinds of erratic maneuvers? well, thanks for having me, wolf. i think that suggests that an airplane likely out of control. going up to 45,000 feet is almost 2,000 feet above the surface ceiling of the airplane. the airplane wouldn t want to do that even with a pilot trying to suggest that it go up, with the pilot trying to control the plane to tgo up there. it does suggest a controllability issue. that someone was in control if you re going from 45 to 23 back up to 30, it s not auto pilot, right? it would not be auto pilot. and i m not sure a pilot could make the airplane do that
large airports, where the towers close at 11:00 or midnight. an airplane wouldn t try to land there necessarily. the problem is, this is happening all across the country which means we have a tremendous management failure at the faa within the air traffic control system. it s not just the guy on the top, it s probably throughout the management structure. this isn t to say air traffic controllers aren t great people, the majority work hard and keep us safe but at the management level, this place is neck and neck with a cesspool. jon: mike boyd, aviation security analyst, thank you. thank you. jenna: jon, the growing debate over the debt, and now a new warning that many democrats will vote to raise the debt limit without a decifit reduction plan in place, democrats, republicans, even independents like senator joe lieberman, who is our next guest. plus the crackdown on violence protestors in syria, and new charges iran is secretly helping its ally in the middle east. what s our next m