is not a license for harassment. i commend the brave women coming forward. congressman conyers said he looks forward to vindicating himself before the house ethics committee. he stepped away from house judiciary because he said he didn t want to have a conflict of presence, paraphrasing him there. jessica, did you see twitter and pelosi? jessica: even liberal twitter wasn t happy. the follow-up statement should have been what she said on meet the press, that there is no excuse for this. if democrats want to maintain the high ground on this issue which is something that we pride ourselves on, we are the party for women, that our policies are better for women. you can laugh, but we say that. she should ve lead with, it puts her in a terrible position when there were a lot of people. harris: why do you think she would say something like that? jessica: she s known john conyers a long time, there s a mutual respect there, they ve been colleagues, there was a mistake. it puts the al
this. sandra: no contest payments with taxpayer dollars? jessica: i think john conyers should resign. i m not saying that. he didn t admit guilt. what i wanted to say on the hub front. it was really taken by the storm the woman, the first accuser of al franken who said that they took a photo up together, set also taken a picture with another congressman that day who asked her before the picture was taken where would you like me to put my hand? would you like me to put my hand on your shoulder on your waist? and it was something that i thought was a credibly thoughtful. i had heard that before. and you know that people. the point is that we need to all be if you don t want to be lumped in with these people who do things like grab, be sensible, be polite and be thoughtful. we talk about grabbing a lot. steve: i think this is important also. al franken s accuser said that his tongue was down her mouth. that doesn t happen from a hug.
that was expected to begin around 12:30. so less than a half hour ago, that began. you can assume the president is there. the lunch started, we were told. i didn t see the senators actually arriving but this is a busy week on capitol hill. a lot going on. senator al franken about to speak. your expectations. jessica: my expectation is that he s not going to resign. i don t think that s going to happen. it s going to take a little bit more than what was seen already. but i do totally take kennedy s point on this and something that i think democrats are really struggling with in order to hold that upperhand and why it s on nancy pelosi s comments with chuck tabb were so damaging even though she did reverse it. we need to continue to talk about it for sure every matter where they are is protected. and i think there has been bipartisan agreement there. he saw roy comstock on the other side talking about the issue as well. i don t expect their resignation. i expect that humble pie and it
credit for the compassion that he has shown because many people within his white house argue the other way. i was able to thankfully make a case directly to the president on why it s important to try to make this permanent but i also told him we need to get things in return. we need the wall need an end to sanctuary cities and we need it into chain migration. jessica: i think this is a great opportunity for democrats to speak to an issue that i think is integral to why we lost in 2016 which is border securit security. i won t go with donald trump is compassion on this issue perspective. he is more nuanced i think that a lot of republicans on it. the border wall thing and deporting everyone is not compassionate but if democrats came to the table and feels like what we had in the gang of eight bills thing were going to send thousands more troops, born security guards to the border, let s talk about chain migration, will talk about more deportations, certainly of criminals. spend it.
roy page to come forward. because the media in corporate america has been firing people. we have to have the same kind of standards when credible people come forward. it was a system set up in 1995 to protect the harasser. this is not a victim family process. harris: congresswoman jackie spiro along with kristen gillibrand introduce legislation for they are this month that would overhaul policies to report sexual harassment on the hill. so you were just saying we should hug a lot less. i m talking about personal responsibility. that s where i stopped. i wanted to get to that point in this kind of where you were going to. steve: what it reminds me too and it reminds me of a catholic as it reminds me of the catholic church. first rather than transparency, rather than honesty with its problem with sexual harassment, it paid an incredible price both literally and figuratively. standing financially and otherwise. i think we need a similar