just passing 13,000. again remembering as we get close to this, marty works this have been uncomfortable, martin and mitchell for the passengers in back? we re almost at 12,000 feet now. yes, it will be extremely uncomfortable. it depends how big the hole would be or whatever has been created. you would have wind, cold, air blasting in. and then on top of that, the banking of the aircraft. not to mention the human shock. so yes, i would say in this scenario we re painting. and there are many other ways you can pain this. are we there yet? we re below 10,000 now. we re about 9600. so we took it farther. you took it a bit farther. i didn t see what time we came out of break. how long do you think that was,