date to address gun violence back in april. we believe that a central driver of violence is gun violence, and is the use of guns we re seeing that statistically in a lot of areas but he also believes we need to ensure that state and local governments keep cops on the beat, that we re supporting community policing. steve: and so she says it s about the guns, but when you look at the numbers and we put together just some random number s, all scientifically gathered, about how crime is surging, they don t involve guns look at far left. new york city, hate crimes here are up 116%. they don t involve guns. austin, texas, pick pocketing up 117%, carjackings 104% in oakland, california, plus it goes on. ainsley: where did you leave off atlanta? 97% it s up 97%. auto theft in new orleans up 22.6%, los angeles arson is up 20.65%. steve: i don t think you need a gun to start a fire.