date to address gun violence back in april. we believe that a central driver of violence is gun violence, and is the use of guns we're seeing that statistically in a lot of areas but he also believes we need to ensure that state and local governments keep cops on the beat, that we're supporting community policing. steve: and so she says it's about the guns, but when you look at the numbers and we put together just some random number s, all scientifically gathered, about how crime is surging, they don't involve guns look at far left. new york city, hate crimes here are up 116%. they don't involve guns. austin, texas, pick pocketing up 117%, carjackings 104% in oakland, california, plus it goes on. ainsley: where did you leave off atlanta? 97% it's up 97%. auto theft in new orleans up 22.6%, los angeles arson is up 20.65%. steve: i don't think you need a gun to start a fire.