everyone on the other. the air waves of full of conflicting claims about financial justice and fiscal remedy. with election day little more than a year away the debate is bound to get even louder. a quiet but serious appraisal from martha teichner will be our sunday morning cover story. >> right now warren buffet pays a lower tax rate than his secretary. an outrage he has asked us to fix. >> warren buffet has come out and said it's not fair. he's absolutely right. it's not fair. there's a deeper question though. why has the underlying inequality grown so much. >> reporter: there are as many opinions on what to do about it.... >> this is why we develop 9-9-9. >> reporter:... as there are presidential candidates. later this sunday morning, a step back from the fray. >> osgood: the music man will be dropping in this morning. sings no songs, plays no instrument yet his career has hit any number of high notes just the same. anthony mason will introduce us to clive davis. >> okay. i'm ready to go. >> reporter: legendary music mogul clive davis helped launch the careers of bruce springsteen, whitney houston and aleash a keys. ♪. >> reporter: he also throws the biggest music party of the year. do you ever get desperate appeals? please, let me in. >> yes, i do. >> reporter: but you're invited to come along as we follow clive davis later this sunday morning. >> reporter: martin sheen is a celebrated actor and the father of a brood of actors as well. this morning he'll be talking about all that and more with our mo rocca. >> my life here might not seem like much to you, it's but it's the life i choose. >> reporter: martin sheen has this to say about his latest role. >> you know it's the best part i've had in 30 years frankly. >> reporter: and he got to work with his favorite director, his sonny mill yo. you've said that you consider him a friend even more than anything else. >> maybe a little less after this interview. i don't know. (laughing) martin sheen and emilio estevez on film, faith, family and, yes, charlie. ahead on sunday morning. >> osgood: these days it seems everybody is surfing the net. surfing the waves is an older and more challenging activity. nobody has been better at that sport for as long a time as kelly slater. he's making waves in more ways than one. and he'll be sharing some of his secrets this morning with our tracy smith. kelly slater has won surfing's world championship so many times, not even he can believe it. ten. >> yeah, i know, ten times. >> reporter: can you wrap your mind around that? >> i don't know. i don't know. it's almost like it happened to someone else. >> reporter: and now he wants to share the experience even if you don't live near the ocean. the king of the wave makers, later on sunday morning. >> osgood: mark strassmann takes us to a soccer field in georgia that is a refuge for young exiles. we wonder if our planet is getting a bit crowded now that there are seven billion of us humans. elizabeth palmer looks back at the violent end of moammar qaddafi and more. but first the headlines for this sunday morning the 23rd of october, 2011. we begin with libya which today is officially celebrating its independence day and where people are still lining up in a shopping center in the city of mizrata to view the bloody body of qaddafi. the chief medical examiner announced the cause of his death as a gunshot wound to the head. the new government said qaddafi was caught in the shootout. the american embassy in kenya is warning of a possible terrorist attack in that african nation. the warning doesn't say who might carry out the attack but says the likely targets might be places where foreigners congregate. a 7.2 magnitude earthquake struck in eastern turkey this morning. several buildings have collapsed in and around the city of van. at this hour the number of dead or injureded is unknown. european leaders meet in brussels today working to come up with a formula to stabilize greece's deteriorating finances. private banks are being asked to accept huge losses on the greek bonds. louisiana's governor bobby jindal has won a second term. the popular republican got 66% of the vote in an open primary yesterday, enough to head off a general election in november. illness has forced loretta lynn to cancel two shows this weekend. a spokesman said the 76-year-old singer is hospitalized with early stage pneumonia. robert pierpont who served as cbs news white house correspondent during six administrations from eisenhower to carter has died in california. he was a close associate of edward r.murrow and appeared on the very first edition of the broadcast "see it now" and later would become a regular contributor to sunday morning. he also played a role in the very last episode of the ledge erredary tv series mash, as a radio broadcaster announcing the end of the korean war just as he had in real life. he was 86. in sports, the st. louis first baseman albert pujols struck deep into the heart of texas last night becoming the third player in history to hit three home runs in a world series game, the others being babe ruth and reggie jackson. the 16-7 route gives the cardinals a 2-1 series lead over the rangers. now today's forecast. looks like it will be a day of classic fall weather across the country. with a few scattered storms up north. the week ahead will run hot and cold, dry and wet. rain likely in the northeast. >> i just don't believe that.... >> osgood: next. >> ...that raising taxes in this weak economy makes any sense at all. >> osgood: a taxs debate. ♪ and later, the man behind the musicians. alright everybody, get your heads up. now when i was in the military, i learned that if you stand together, you can stand up to anything! no matter where i was deployed, i always knew that somebody had my back! you boys are your own band of brothers! you have each other! just like i had navy federal credit union... 24/7... live customer support! let's go! let's go! 3 1/2 million members. 3 1/2 million stories. navy federal credit union. >> osgood: talk about taxings times. even as the presidential candidates wrangle publicly over who should pay what, a special committee is wrangling in private over just the same thing. the saying is don't tax you or me, tax the fellow behind the tree. they're trying to figure out who is the fell ol behind the tree? our cover story is reported now by mar sha teichner. >> the challenges we face are real and our task will not be easy. >> reporter: here we have the super committee. six democrats and six republicans battling to cut at least $1.2 trillion from the federal deficit. and this you can see is an alarm clock, ticking away toward a november 23 wake-up call. if the super committee doesn't agree on a deal by then, the alarm (ringing) will go off. triggering draconian budget cuts in both military and domestic programs neither side wants. what's the fight about? taxes. whether some americans should pay more to contribute to deficit reduction. if so, who? and would higher taxes help or hurt the economy? kill or create jobs? >> we are the 99%. >> reporter: it's a fight "occupy wall street" has taken to the streets in city after city. >> i'm all in favor of keeping taxes down and keeping burdens down in american businesses. >> reporter: it's a fight the republicans have taken to the talk shows. >> i just don't believe that raising taxes in this weak economy makes any sense at all. >> reporter: are they right? or is president obama? arguing for a millionaires' tax to pay for his jobs bill. you remember this. >> right now warren buffet pays a lower tax rate than his secretary. an outrage he has asked us to fix. >> reporter: according to a cbs news poll out earlier this month, most americans think millionaires should pay more. this may be why. in 1980, the top one percent of earners in this country made 10% of total income. by 2007, they made nearly 24%. >> when you see this picture where most americans-- let me repeat-- most americans are worse off today than they were more than a decade ago, there's only one group that is better off. that's the people at the top. >> reporter: colombia university professor won the nobel prize for economics in 2001. >> and that is the only place that you can get in a sense in a fair way money. >> reporter: you would expect him to say that. he's a democrat. he worked in the clinton administration. >> underlying the political debate is this ongoing shift for about 35 years in the distribution of income in the united states. so that the people who have done the best are the people at the very top. >> reporter: saying practically the same thing, michael gratz a professor of tax law at columbia. he's advised two republican presidents. >> we're now talking about people who are earning a million dollars or more a year. and the idea that, you know, raising the tax rate from 35% to 40.5% would be such a lightning rod politically somewhat seems preposterous to me. >> reporter: because? >> well, because it's not going to affect the economy. it is obviously appropriate for people who have that much money to contribute more to the financial problems that we're all facing. >> reporter: surprised? listen to this. >> that's why this plan eliminates tax loopholes that primarily go to the wealthiest tax payers and biggest corporations. >> we're going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that have allowed some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. in theory some of those loopholes were understandable but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing while a bus driver was paying 10% of his salary. and that's crazy. >> reporter: yes, president ronald reagan lowerd the top income tax rate from 70% to 28% but when the deficit skyrocketed-- sound familiar? -- he raised other taxes substantially. nobody accused him of class warfare. how many records are there here? >> it's really hard to say on any given day. but around 50,000 lbs. >> reporter: not seen through the prism of political and ideological gridlock, the tax issue looks a little different. >> in a weird way we're the classic small business. >> reporter: 32 years ago lou prince started vintage vinyl in st. louis. >> we have at the moment 22 employees, 16 of whom are full time. >> reporter: prince doesn't buy the republican claim that extending the bush tax cuts for individuals making over $200,000 will create jobs. >> to me, cutting taxes to jump-start the economy is like trying to start your car by pouring gasoline on the hood. the reason a business hires, any business but a small business especially is because they think there will be more business if they hire someone. the way to create more business, the quickest and most efficient way is to put money in the hands of people who will spend it. >> reporter: many of whom right now are selling, not spending. >> i just bought a $4,000- something piece collection. that money is going in the gas tank. that money is helping to pay the rent for someone whose $20 an hour factory job has turned into a minimum-wage job at a fast food restaurant. >> we think about our little companies, every one of them for us is a little jewel. >> reporter: now the flip side of the coin. >> and so every time we buy one, we make collage. >> reporter: an argument for low taxes as a boost to growth. >> this is a company called active style. >> reporter: pam hendrickson is chief operating officer of the riverside company, a private equity firm that buys small companies, helps them grow and then sells them. >> we've been doing this for 24 years. we've purchased 266 companies around the world. >> reporter: do you have any idea how many jobs you've created in this country. >> unfortunately i can't give you the number over 24 years. >> reporter: what about the last five? >> well, it's over a thousand in the last two. so this company makes laminate for windows. >> reporter: for instance, riverside bought commonwealth laminating and coating in 2006. and sold it four years later. >> this company is in martinsville, virginia, a town very badly hurt. it's now the word leader in laminate provider. it sells to every country in the world. 60 or 70 new jobs got created during our ownership. >> reporter: you put in $13 million and you got out $130? >> our investment, yes. >> reporter: hendrickson thinks it's only fair that the riverside team paid the same low tax on that gain as its investors. 15% as opposed to the higher corporate tax rate of 39.2%. the obama administration says private equity firms like hers and hedge fund managers ought to be paying. >> if you take that away, i suppose the incentives aren't the same because i might as well just invest in the stock when i can sell whenever i want. rather than investing in a long-term company where i've tied up my money for eight years potentially. >> reporter: the operative word here is inventive. and that brings us to corporate taxes. the u.s. rate ranks among the highest compared with other countries. >> we've got a tax system that is broken for multi-national corporations. >> reporter: tax law professor michael gratz. >> i believe the only way to solve the problem and to create a system that's conducive to investment and economic growth in the united states is to lower that corporate tax rate down to a level that at least competitive with the rest of the world. i think it should be lower than that. >> reporter: but wait a minute. consider this. economist joseph stiglitz. >> if you tax corporations that invest in america at a lower rate but tax those who are just distributing dividends not really contributing to the country in investing and creating jobs, tax them at a higher rate, you will encourage more investment and more job creation. >> reporter: right now multi-nationals can game the system, according to stiglitz. >> they try to take advantage of all the differences in taxes around the world to try to get their overall tax liability as low as possible. >> reporter: and now another wrinkle. >> it starts with, unlike your proposals, throwing out the current tax code. >> reporter: republican presidential candidate herman kane is not alone in suggesting we start over. >> this is why we developed 9-9- 9. 9% corporate business flat tax. 9% personal income flat tax and a 9% national sales tack. >> reporter: it's catchy. it sounds simple but will it work? >> it's a huge tax cut for people at the top. and a major tax increase for people in the middle. this is just not the moment for that kind of shift in the tax burden. >> reporter: gratz does like the idea of a form of national sales tax. he recommends 12.5%. >> it turns out that 150 countries in the world do have that kind of tax. we've got ourselves in a situation which refusing to have a national sales tax that makes us put all of the tax revenue burden at the federal level on the income tax. >> reporter: if there's one thing economists, the white house, even g.o.p. presidential candidates agree on, it's that some kind of tax reform is way overdue. (clock ticking) meanwhile, a look at the u.s. national debt clock ticking toward $15 trillion. think of it as that alarm clock ticking away while the super committee counts down to its november 23 deadline. deal or no deal. >> osgood: coming up, the birth of the smurfs. 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[ male announcer ] with global services from dell, jim can address his company's i.t. needs through custom built applications, cloud solutions and ongoing support in over 100 countries. so his company sees results. and jim sees his family. dell. the power to do more. and jim sees his family. sometimes you can make a wrong turn and stumble into something you know you were meant to do. that's what happened to this person. mark strassmann has the detail of a helping hand. >> welcome and congratulations to you and to your proud families. >> reporter: it's the moment she has waited for, for 18 years. her chance to become an american citizen. >> please raise your right hand and repeat after me. >> reporter: it's a remarkable personal milestone and we'll come back to it. but this story is only partly about louma. it's mostly about her even more remarkable kids: dozen of them. and it all began with a soccer ball. louma was born in jordan in 1975. always athletic she came to the u.s. to attend smith college where she playeded intramural soccer. after graduation she found a job near clarkston georgia outside atlanta. on her way home one day she took a wrong turn that changed her life. >> i u-turned into this apartment complex. in the parking lot there were kids outside playing soccer. they were playing barefoot and had set up their own goals, you know, with rocks. they didn't look american. it's a scene that i would see over and over again in jordan or in other parts of the world but i had never seen it in the united states. >> right leg. left leg. >> reporter: a few days later she returned with a gift, a soccer ball. >> and the minute i stepped out of my car the boys rushed me. they wanted the ball. i asked to play in return. >> reporter: she soon discovered why these children lookeded different. it turns out clarkston is one of 350 u.s. cities where our government helps resettle families who have escaped war or persecution in their home country. the children were refugees, living in louma's own backyard. give us a sense of what some of these kids have been through. >> all of them have fled their countries because of war. so the wars you read about, like the civil war in sudan, the war the ethiopia, in iraq, i've had kids that have seen their mom or grandmother get raped. eric, you're a defender. what should you do. >> reporter: though safe in their adopted country, the children mostly poor struggle to fit in. louma knew soccer could be the bridge. so with her own money, she rounded up the kids from 28 different countries and formed a team calling it the fujis, short for refugees. >> i remember the first year we played, we didn't have uniforms. we to buy white t-shirts from the man on memorial drive. i'm haggling trying to get 20 t-shirs for $5. >> reporter: the team gave the children a sense of belonging but louma soon realized the children's needs extended far beyond the soccer field. >> you have a kid after practice say, coach, can you help me with my homework? the first couple times i'm like go get your mom to help you. then i realize their mom can't read or write zirb so they're coming to me for it. there was a point, at no point where i said i can't do this anymore. >> reporter: before she knew it, she was all in. in 2007 louma quit her job dedicating her life to giving the fujis what they needed most. an education. >> reporter: what were they not getting in the public school. >> you would have a kid arriving at age 13 or 14 and be put into 8th or 9th grade and be expected to do algebra or shakespeare. the kid can't read or add or multiply because he grew up in a refugee camp. they were slipping through the cracks but no one was paying any attention to that. >> reporter: no one except louma. and if the public schools couldn't teach them, she would. with donations and her own money louma launched the fujis academy. throughout the day, she's part parent.... >> you don't know how to tie? why not? >> reporter: part principal. >> do your work, do your homework and work hard. then everything will work out. >> reporter: part drill sergeant. >> if you don't have your uniform on, you'll have detention. you are cleaning the bus tonight. >> reporter: just ask 13-year-old obai, who came from a refugee camp in ethiopia. >> she's not nice. i mean it in a good way. she tells you the truth. she is always honest with you. today i wouldn't be the young man i am without the fuji coach. like my family. >> reporter: when you mess up and you know she's going to let you have it, what goes through your mind? i'm too scared to think about it. >> go to your classes on your best behavior. come on. let's go. >> reporter: the children have so much catching up to do, the school year stretches into summer. for six weeks, louma runs an academic day camp. there's no money for buses. so every day the fujis ride their bikes. ten miles there and ten miles back. complete with an escort by the local police chief himself. >> there's a saying it takes a village to raise a kid. we are the village. >> reporter: clarkston police chief tony is one of her biggest supporters. >> i've watched her and her staff on numerous occasion spend money out of their personal pockets taking these kids home and buying them food or clothing, whatever it takes to do that. i wanted to be a part of that. >> reporter: you look at her and see a leader. >> i see more than a leader. i see a role model, a mother. we share the same kids. they're her kids. they're my kids. >> reporter: like any good parent, louma dreams big for her kids. >> when you get 19 acres of land, you can build your dream completely without compromising any part of it. >> reporter: with money from donations last year louma managed to buy 19 acres of foreclosed property in clarkston. land in which she hopes to finally build a permanent school the fujis can call their own. >> 6th through 12th grade. boys and girls. soccer field. two practice fields, a gym. a community garden. a theater. we just went for it all. >> reporter: she's trying to raise five million dollars this year to bring the blueprints to life. >> i see it becoming a national model that shows how to teach refugee kids successfully so it's not just our kids that are affectd by what we do. it grows to something so much bigger. >> reporter: but to grow you need money. >> yes. >> reporter: a lot of money. >> a lot of money. we're privately funded. we don't take any government funding whatsoever. >> reporter: confident it will happen. >> it's going to happen. >> reporter: why so confident? >> because we don't have any other choice. if you want something to happen, you can make it happen. that's what we teach the kids. >> reporter: by now, you've probably realized louma leads by example. which brings us back to her other dream. becoming an american citizen. last month she took the citizenship exam and scored a perfect 100. and with her students watching, louma became an american. >> congratulations, new citizens. ( applause ) >> i think a lot of people take being an american for granted. i mean, all of us came to this country for a better life, for a fresh start, to live the american dream. and there's not many places you can start fresh and accomplish whatever you want and be whomever you want. >> reporter: asked what her american citizenship means to her, her answer was simple. >> i finally have a home. >> reporter: a home. which is what she hopes and expects all her children will have one day soon. >> osgood: next, clive davis throws a party ♪ you make me feel like a natural woman ♪ >> osgood: and later a visit with actor martin sheen. ♪ i'm every woman ♪ >> it's sunday morning on cbs. and here again is charles osgood. >> osgood: that's "i'm every woman" performed by whitney houston just one of the top ranked performers discovered by the music man clive davis. he's been present at the creation of many a career. this morning he talks to our anthony mason for the record. ♪ >> reporter: if the music industry is obsessed with youth, what is clive davis still doing here? in the corner office at the top of the sony building high above new york's madison avenue, the 79-year-old record executive cranks up his booming speakers and slips into the head-bobbing transthat has been divining hit songs for nearly half a century. you wouldn't go? >> i wouldn't go. but i've succeeded in not going if the hits didn't keep coming. >> reporter: the report card, as davis likes to call it, is impressive. he signed janis joplin in the '60s, made barry manilow a star in the '70s, guided whitney houston to seven straight number ones in the '80s, engineered santana's comeback in the '90s, and discovered alicia keyes in the new century. so how many grammys do you have? >> i have five grammys. >> reporter: the study in his weekend home is a trophy case. >> this is for the break-away album. >> reporter: producer album of the year supernatural. >> this is for best rock album. >> reporter: you cleaned up, as they say. >> we cleaned up. >> reporter: when a music industry magazine asked readers to name the most influential record executive of all time, 82% picked davis. that sounds like a south american election. (laughing) >> that's what they told me. now you'll think i'm bragging. >> reporter: no brag. just fact. clive davis's influence in the industry.... >> okay. i'm ready to go. ♪. >> reporter:... is apparent at the party he's thrown every year for 35 years. davis spends months planning it and drawing up the guest list. held the night before the grammys, it's the hottest invitation in l.a.. do you ever get desperate appeals? please, let me in. >> yes, i do. >> reporter: davis's party has become the record industry's unofficial annual ball. the crowd at the beverly hilton is almost all a-listers, from katy perry to warren beatty. davis's date this year is jennifer hudson whose new album he has just co-produced. what's the best advise he gave you? >> oh, my god. listen to him. i'm always watching every single step. anything i can take from just a hint of his greatness, i'm satisfied. >> reporter: davis glides through the room, ushering through. so is his old rival david gessum and cbs ceo leslie moonvez. >> my favorite night of the year. ♪ you make me feel like a natural woman ♪ >> reporter: you don't play an instrument and you weren't an avid music fan as a kid. >> no, i wasn't. >> reporter: this was all essentially an accident. >> it was an accident. >> reporter: the son of a brooklyn tie salesman, davis lost both of his parents suddenly. >> my parents died when i was a teenager within a year of each other. there was no substitute for hard work. you had to earn it. >> reporter: he earned a scholarship to harvard law school. and then a job in the legal department at cbs. within a few years he was tapped to be head of columbia records, a trip to the monterey pop festival in 1967 turned him on to rock'n'roll. ♪ >> reporter: he became the music industry's golden boy. but then abruptly it ended. you were called up to the ceo's office. >> yes. >> reporter: he fired you. >> yes. >> reporter: davis was accused of misusing company funds, rumors of paola flew. he pleaded guilty to tax evasion. but all other charges were later dropped. but a year later, davis launched a stunning comeback. he took over an ailing label, renamed it arista and found a song for a struggling young singer named barry manilow. it was called "brandy" and performed by scott english. ♪ brandy, >> this song, i felt, if arranged differently, could be a bit hit song for barry. >> reporter: barry manilow rearranged into mannedy. ... mandi. ♪ oh, mandi, well, you came and you gave without taking ♪ >> reporter: the company's first release went straight to the top of the charts. >> it felt great to be back. it felt incredible. for your first record to go to number one, be nominated for two grammys, it was so special. >> reporter: davis's greatest success at the record company would come with whitney houston who he signed at 19 and nurtured into one of the world's biggest stars. ♪ how will i know if he really loves me? ♪ ♪ i say a prayer with every heartbeat ♪ > mow recently houston has struggled with addiction. this year reentered rehab. has that been hard for you to see? >> yes. it's been hard to see whitney go through these tough times. >> reporter: did you see that she was heading for trouble? >> most of which was hidden from me. it was not that visible. it was not. it was not that until the last few years. >> i found you when you were 19, baby. i'm still your boss. just remember that. >> reporter: davis, who released houston's comeback album in 2009 is intensely loyal to his artists, but houston's recent performances evenate at davis's own party this year, have been uneven at best. ♪ the moment i wake up ♪ before i put on my make up ♪ ♪ i say a little prayer for you ♪ >> reporter: does the business feel different to you? >> the business right now is different. >> reporter: but as chief creative officer at sony music, davis still relies on his golden gut. on this morning, he's auditioning a possible song for british singer leona lewis's next record. so what do you think of the song? >> i like the song. i want to go over the lyrics. it's my first shot at the lyrics. >> reporter: as barry manilow once put it, he has the mind of a banker and the heart of a teenager. for clive davis, the music hasn't stopped. >> i'll never forget that my parents, when they died, i was left a total of $4,000. i'm indebted to a lucky break, an accident, that brought me into music and that has given me a life of incredible fulfillment. and pleasure. >> reporter: and the party isn't over yet. >> osgood: just ahead, a new day in libya. quit smoking with . knowing that i could smoke during the first week was really important to me. 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(sighing). >> reporter: everyone in libya has lost someone. thousands died in a recent fighting. and thousands more over the four long decades of qaddafi's rule when he had his opponents at home killed and exported arms and terrorism abroad. >> we are free to >> reporter: not anymore. libyans have taken their country back. and now the rebuilding begins with elections planned for next summer. it's a tall order for a country still awash in guns where no one has ever actually cast a real vote. >> i am optimistic. and i'm confident that we can do it. >> reporter: right now still high on freedom, libyans are determined to work hard at democracy so their children can take it for granted. ♪ if everybody had an ocean >> osgood: making waves is no mere figure of speech for one renown athlete. nor is the expression you're never too old. with tracy smith, ear going surfing. ... with tracy smith, we're going surfing. >> reporter: they call him "the king." kelly slater is to surfing what tiger was to golf. or michael jordan was to basketball. when i say the two words kelly slater, what do you think? >> the king. >> reporter: he competes with around three dozen elite surfers on the pro world tour. most are capable of aggressive, judge-pleasing rides like this. slater just does it more often. in the past two decades, kelly slater has taken the world surfing title an unheard of ten times. he was the youngest champion ever at age 20. and at 39, the oldest. he's won so many times, not even he can believe it. can you wrap your mind around that? >> i don't know. i don't know. it's almost like it happened to someone else. to be honest. i sort of hear it, it's baffling to me like, god, that's a lot of years. >> reporter: amazing. there's no one close. >> not right now, no. >> reporter: and maybe never. robert kelly slater was born in cocoa beach florida in 1972 and learned to surf almost as soon as he could walk. his life out of the water was far from ideal i can. >> my family life was a test. you know, my parents slit up when i was... by the time i was 11. my dad was drinking a lot. it was just a pretty tough, kind of a tough situation for us. >> reporter: but surfing was a constant. slater turned pro as a teen and earned a reputation as a winner. he made waves out of the water as well. as one of people magazine's 50 most beautiful people in 1991. he dated super models and actresses like pamela anderson. surfing is actually the only full-time job kelly slater has ever had except for a brief and in his view regrettable turn as a tv star. you also act. >> i have acted. >> reporter: is that how you look at it. >> i wouldn't consider myself an actor, no. >> reporter: what do you think bay watch did for you? >> ruined my street credibility. >> sure, i had opportunities but i didn't cheat on you, not once. i should have written. i should have called more. sorry. >> oh, my. >> reporter:. >> i think just being on bay watch i was pretty open to ridicule before they even saw you act. >> reporter: he eventually returned to the pro tour and began a championship run that's made him a multi-millionaire with prize money and endorsement deals. >> the world of surfing.... >> reporter: he's also earned the lasting adulation of the surfing world. this summer he was awarded the key to the surf side city of huntington beef, california. >> i wasn't on the football team or anything. i wasn't getting letters on my jackets but i got the key to the city of huntington. that's pretty cool. >> the beauty of surfing, it's completely your decision at all times. basically once you have a surfboard, it's free. you go out and ride waves. >> reporter: and now he wants to share the experience. but there's nothing free about it. in a drab-looking warehouse in los angeles, slater is working on technology that is quite literally making waves. this is a rare glimpse of the kelly slater wave company. for proprietary reasons they've asked we don't show all of the equipment but this circular pool and arm is basically a machine that makes perfectly rideable waves. right now they're only a few inches tall but the shape is ideal. >> the wave is is perfect. it just keeps going around and around. i just wish i was the size of a mouse or something. >> reporter: slater hopes to build full-size machines in parks like these. it could happen as early as 2014, anywhere there's enough room and enough people willing to pay for a consistently perfect wave. do you have any idea how much it is going to cost to do this some had. >> yeah, we have an idea. it's a big number. >> reporter: wave parks aside, there are other priorities in kelly slater's life. he has a daughter from a previous relationship and he's settled down a bit. you said you have a girlfriend. >> um-hum. >> reporter: never married? >> no, i never married. >> reporter: why not? >> why? >> reporter: it still could happen. you're not ruling it out. >> no, no, no. i just haven't been married. you didn't ask if i'm ever going to get married. >> reporter: are you ever going to get married? >> probably so. >> reporter: at the moment slater is in the heat of battle on the pro tour. and when he competes again next month in san francisco, he'll need only a few more great rides like this to clinch world tour championship number 11. you're going to surf forever. >> yeah. i've got friends who are 90 that are surfing everyday. >> reporter: you still have a lot of time. >> i have time. i'm not even halfway there. >> reporter: long live the king. >> i have a nobel prize in economics and i'm here to tell you that none of you know what the helleur talking about. >> osgood: still to come, martin sheen on life beyond the west wing. but up next the numbers game. >> osgood: according to the u.n., world population will hit the seven billion mark by the end of this week. so is that a good thing or a bad thing? here are josh landis and mitch butler of the fast draw. >> as time marches on and the population climbs to seven billion, we ask ourselves, how many people can the planet handle? >> the answer: one billion. that was the prediction long ago anyway. for years estimates have ranged from less than a billion to hundreds of billions. whatever the magic number, there has long been a sense that one day we'll hit catastrophic overpopulation. >> there's no debating the boom. it took thousands of years for the population to hit one billion in the early 1800s. we hit two billion a little over a century later but in less than a century after that we added five billion people. seven billion and counting. and all these people are competing for limited resources. life should be harder than ever, right? >> of course for too many life is incredibly hard. almost a billion people don't have enough food, and many more struggle to meet their basic needs. but for humanity as a whole there's never been a better time to be alive than now. >> public policy expert says on a global level, life span, health care, economic opportunity, and literacy rates are at historic all-time highs with very few exceptions. >> there's not a person alive today that would trade their existence for what they would have experienced 250 years ago. >> and he says as the population gets bigger, things could be better than ever. >> because technology is allowing us to communicate better than ever. >> let's say your lawn mower is broken so you google for help. someone else has had your exact problem and there's the fix. dront thank goog. thank a large population. think about that kind of thing happening everyday not just on the internet but everywhere. smart smart who used to be isolated by geography are now connected. >> there will be opportunity for those people with exceptional gifts to realize their potential on a global scale. >> for all those dooms sayers who thought more people would only cause more problems? turns out that more people could very well solve more problems. >> osgood: ahead, martin sheen talks about films and family. so i'm glad it's with fidelity. they offer me one-on-one guidance to help me choose my investments. not just with my savings plan here at work. they help me with all of my financial goals. looking good, irene. thanks to fidelity, i can stay on top of my financial future, huh? good one. why, thank you. whether it's saving for retirement, college, or anything else, contact a fidelity investment professional today. >> i think of all the work you put in to get me to run. i think of all the work you did to get me elected. i could pummel your ass with a baseball bat. >> it's sunday morning on cbs. and here again is charles osgood. >> osgood: maybe you know martin sheen best from his days in the oval office playing the president of the united states in the hit tv show the west wing. or do you think of him as actor charlie sheen's dad? he and his other sonny mill yo estevez sat down with mo rocca for our sunday profile. >> reporter: let's get this out of the way. over the past year how was it as a father to watch your son charlie go through what he went through publicly? >> are you a father? >> no. >> you're not? then you can't know. no one can. >> reporter: family is at the very heart of actor martin sheen, and the very public problems of his son charlie, well, that's the elephant in the room. what kind of support were you able to offer? >> you know, i've never ever ever allowed my heart not to include all of my children, all the time. you love them differently. and you give the most love to the one that needs it at the time. and that certainly is the case with charlie. i adore him. he's the biggest supporter of this film. >> reporter: the film martin is is talking about is the one he made with his oldest sonny mill yo estevez. about a father and the son he loses. >> you know, most people don't have the luxury of just picking up and leaving it all behind, dad. >> well i'm not most people. >> reporter: the film is "the way." written and directed by emilio. >> hello. >> are you the father of daniel avery? >> reporter: it's the story of a father's spiritual journey through france and spain spreading his son's ashes along the ancient 500-mile pilgrimage. >> do you believe in miracles, father? >> i'm a priest. it's kind of my job. >> reporter: is it true that you didn't think that you should play the role? >> well, we were having difficulty frankly getting the backing, the financing, trying to find a partner for a walk across the north of spain where there's no car chases or violence or sexuality or language or degradation. >> reporter: no giant robots. but emilio who had directed his father twice before had only one actor in mind for the part. >> i wanted to write something for him that was about who he is as a man, as an actor, as a guy with this enormous heart. >> jack, you write whatever you want about all this. what you saw, how you felt, you write it like it happened. you write the truth. >> you know it's the best part i've had in 30 years frankly. >> reporter: really? >> first time in an equal number of years that i've been asked to carry a film. i've had some trepidation about, you know, living up to his expectations. >> we asked him to do things like, you know, climb over the pyrenees. at 4,000 feet and jump into a river over athens. this is one sequence in the film where a gypsy boy steals his backpack and he's chasing him through the streets. all of a sudden now at 70 years old he wants to be an action star. >> reporter: they say the film is about getting back to basics and embracing one's brokenness. >> in a culture that is bombarding us every day with messages of, you know, take this pill and you'll be happier and have your teeth whitened and people will love you more. go on this diet and you'll be thinner. all of these things are basically saying you're not good enough. how about a message that you are a wonderful mess. you are. i am. he is. you're a gorgeous human being. >> reporter: i'm with you. >> but you have to get ahold of yourself. you know what i'm saying. >> reporter: is this whole thing an intervention that you planned? the father and son who live just 200 yards apart in malibu are obviously close but... the two of you didn't always get along so well. >> we didn't? >> what have you heard? >> reporter: something about the philippines and a movie called apocalypse now. >> wonderful movie. you have to see that again. really good. >> i heard it was pretty good. >> reporter: it wasn't that funny at the time. martin had brought his wife and four children to the philippines touring the filming of apocalypse now. emilio was 14 and wanted to go home. father and son came to blows. you guys would get into a lot of fights. >> only one. >> reporter: and you got into it. >> sure. >> reporter: and what was that like? >> i won. >> as usual. >> i won. >> reporter: martin, drinking heavily then, was battling his own demons even admitting to psychotic episodes. >> one of them is on film for god's sakes. >> reporter: the opening scene in apocalypse. >> of course. >> reporter: the moment was documents in the film "hearts of darkness." about the making of apocalypse now. were you really plastered? >> yes, i was. it was my 36th birthday and i was celebrating. >> reporter: he had a heart attack during filming and was given last rites. eventually he began the road back to sobriety and spirituality that led him to the door of a catholic church. >> i banged on the door. no answer. i banged again. no answer. that third time i hammered on the door. the door flew open. there was this man standing there looking at me. what's this riot going on here? and i said, father, i've been gone from the faith for a very long time and i want to come back. >> reporter: martin sheen was born ramon estevez in dayton ohio to a father from spain and a mother from ireland. he moved to new york to pursue acting, adopting a new name to avoid ethnic prejudice. do you regret changing your name? >> very much so. >> reporter: how did your father feel about you changing your name? >> very, very disappointed. but i never changed my name officially. >> i love you. >> reporter: he made a name for himself as the returning soldier in the play and film "the subject was roses." dan as a serial killer in badlands. >> suppose i shot you? how would that read? do you want to hear what it sounds like? >> reporter: that movie makes me very tense. >> yeah, me too. >> reporter: though he's made some 65 films, these days he's perhaps best known for his award-winning run as the liberal president josiah bartlett on aaron sorkin's the west wing. >> i have a nobel prize in economics and i'm here to tell you that none of you know what the hell you're talking about. >> i love that he made me a notre dame grad and gave me a prize for economics. i can't even balance a checkbook, you know. >> i'm not comfortable with violence. >> i know this country has enemies but i don't feel violent toward any of them. >> reporter: your politics are pretty liberal. >> i don't have any politics. i don't really have any interest politics. it's social justice really that interests me. >> reporter: he's been arrested 67 times, protesting for such causes as opposition to nuclear weapons and support for united farm workers. you're also anti-abortion. is that right? >> yes. i have children, you know. the only regret i have about having had four children is i didn't have four more but who knew? that's how you know yourself is through your children. >> reporter: martin is 71 now. he and his wife are about to celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary. how much work is this? >> endless. absolutely endless. >> reporter: in the vineyard behind emilio's home martin and emilio reap the rewards of family. is this the happiest he's ever been? >> i think so, yeah. i think he's definitely in life. >> the happiest? 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[ junior ] ...and they've helped build my business. contributor nancy giles is all charged up about bank fees. >> does it seem fair to you? bank of america, the recipients of $45 billion of bailout money from the federal government, meaning all of us tax payors, is thanking us by charging its customers some of those same tax payors and extra $5 a month to use their debit card. that's $60 more a year. multiply that by millions of customers and that's a bundle. but before you get mad at bank of america, let's walk in their shoes for a moment. they say they had to charge those fees because of the new durbin amendment which limits the fees that banks can charge merchants when you use your debit card. so it will make a little less money. where does the bank go to pick up the slack? to their customers of course meaning us. the suckers whose taxes the federal government used to bail them out in the first place. i don't think this is a circle of life that the lion king was talking about. ♪ the circle of life >> i mean haven't the banks saved money by phasing out tellers and encouraging on-line banking? why should we have to pay to do the bank's worse work? since bank of america is planning to lay off another 30,000 employees by their own logic even more fees are just around the corner. naturally other banks are joining in with their own debit card fees or fees if your balance gets too low or raising whatever fees they're already charging you. >> who says credit card rewards can't be simple? >> it is clever. their commercials play up a cash back when you use your credit card program. >> cash back on every purchase. >> don't be fooled. chase had a debit card rewards program until they eliminated it. i'm bitter. just last month, two bank of america executives were forced out but still walked away with over $11 million in severance pay plus health coverage benefits for a year. no wonder an on-line petition opposing their new fees gained almost 300,000 signatures. this response from a bank of america spokesperson, quote, we plan to implement the tee in early 2012." who needs banks? it's not like we're earning interest. good luck getting a mortgage. i want a system that i can rely on, where i can deposit and withdraw my money any time i want without paying a fee. these days it seems like the safest bet going is an old school mattress under which i will stash my cash. >> osgood: still to come, the eyes have it. another reminder of what i couldn't do. ♪ the accident could have been my excuse to quit. i made it my reason to go even harder. ♪ [ male announcer ] helping people achieve without limits. at the hartford it's what we do... and why we're the founding partner of the u.s. paralympic team. show your support at facebook.com/thehartford. new pronamel iso-active is a toothpaste in a can. it starts off as a gel... transforms into a foam and actually surrounds your teeth. it gets into all those nooks and crannies. dentists recommend pronamel. pronamel iso-active re-hardens the enamel that's been softened by acid you're consuming. acid doesn't just affect our front or back teeth but the whole tooth. pronamel iso-active helps protect against the effects of acid erosion. tle pronamel iso-active helps protect against emotional here? aren't you getting a little industrial? okay, there's enough energy right here in america. yeah, over 100 years worth. okay, so you mean you just ignore the environment. actually, it's cleaner. and, it provides jobs. and it helps our economy. okay, i'm listening. 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