Transcripts For SFGTV Police Commission 20221107

November 22, 2022, happy wednesday. Its my favorite day of the week. With that being said, lets go ahead and start. Line item 1, general public. But are within the subject matter of the Police Commission. During Public Comment Neither Police nor commissions are required to respond to questions by the public but may provide a free response. Calling 4156550001. Ill turn it you may submit Public Comment, email the commissioner. Or written comments may be sent Via Postal Service San Francisco california 94158. If you would like to make Public Comment, please come to the podium and press star3 if you are virtual. Go ahead, sir. Thank you, commissioners. Scott my name is paula len, 30year resident of the city and lawyer. Traffic enforcement order and i wish to make four points i previously submitted memos for this. It seems to me that if a draft order becomes right for serious consideration, it is incumbent upon this commission on bog to hold hearings around the city rather than delegated this matter to the Human Rights Commission or to the listening sessions. Number 2, in terms of evidence prior to the holding of the hearings, this commission should publish an evidentuary memorandum, the alt na tifz considered that is to say alternatives from making traffic stops. And why those alternatives, the less restrictive alternatives are deemed to be unsatisfactory by the commission. Third, consequences what seems to be lacking from this, is a discussion of the burden as well as the benefit. That is to say what are the foreseeable adverse consequences of borrowing sfpd from sighting and connection with a bakers dozen Traffic Enforcement statutes. Those reasonably for suable consequences could be adverse affect to Public Safety, Police Department, morale and recruitment. Those must be itemized. And finally, burden it seems to me that for the commission to proceed in an order of this nature, it has a very high burden. This is an unelected body more over the public views on safety have obviously changed, 5 months ago. The voters voted by essentially 55 to 45 and wanted more [buzzard] thank you, sir. Good evening, ms. Brown. Good evening, i would like to use the overhead as always. Concerning my son. Aubrey, oh gosh, sorry, its too big, how do i make it . How do i . Oh okay. So start me off. Start me over, okay. Yeah, aubrey who was murdered august 14, 20006, to this day, this case is not solved. His birthday, he just had anniversary august 14th. And still today, his case is not solved. I am concerned about that. As always. Always bring this picture with me. This is what im left with is my son laying on a casket and me standing over him. I still cry today. I still want justice for my child. You have all the names of the perpetrators who murdered my child. This is not old news, this is, this is down at 850 bryant on the 5th floor all the names of the persons that were involved murdered my child. And we say that we dont have enough evidence, but you have all the names of the persons that were involved murderering my child. And we say not enough evidence. Nobody wants to come forward. What else do we do . What else do we do about the names . Just a piece of paper, hannibal tomas, paris, andrew badu, jason tomas,ethny and marcus carter, one of them is deceased. Theyre all on facebook, they are all on facebook. One is a comedian, hannibal tomas, hes a comedian, what is to say hes not making comedy about murdering my child. Thank you, ms. Braun. If anybody has any information on the murder of aubrey, you can call the tip line. Good evening, callers, you have two minutes. Speaker i would like to [audio muffled] for representing the city on involving [indiscernible] i would also like to have the intention of Police Commission and examining them regarding alchemy. We should not allow [indiscernible] [audio muffled] you have to go to high streets and see the situation over there. Have been compromised in San Francisco. And supervisor, the Police Commission, our mayor, our controller, theyre not doing their job. Thank you very much. Good evening, callers you have two minutes. Speaker yes, im 26 year resident of the castro. And i have a basic question for the Police Commissioner. I would like to ask why the police continually does not enforce the dow which prohibits camping on our sidewalk. Most of the people in my neighborhood that are camping on the street and refuse shelter. Were not trying to criminalize the homeless but only trying to get treatment for those who refuse it and make them obey the laws. Resident and virtual in my neighborhood support this effort, really request, real treatment for drug addicts and mentally ill. You must listen to the voice of the people not the nonprofit who make money when they lack a real solution to the voluntary homeless in our city. Thank you. Clerk good evening, caller you have two minutes. Speaker im from the community founder. Quote, addressing injustices of black San Franciscoians is urgent. Ive been tired talking to the Police Commission and to the board of supervisors. Where is the urgency . If tables were turned, i know there would be an urgency. Why are you going to address the harsh sides and hold the law. As i said im tired, not tired enough to quit however tired of beating a dead horse. Anti blackness and therefore, end quote. The final version of the m. O. U between sfpd and da, needs to be strengthened. They said thats a pds data, black person is more likely than a white person. An investigation based on a citizen complaint. Going to the hospital is too high. This is not for victim and citizen refuse for cost and other concerns. Officers are not allowed to wear body worn cameras, if it involves the mou should include other incidents as well. Thank you very much. Clerk good evening, caller you have two minutes. Speaker in a member and a part of the black community. Is urgent, [audio muffled] and racial profiling and traffic stops. Ive been tired to talk to sfpd and supervisors. If the tables were turned, i know there would be an urgency. Address the injustice, to uphold the law for all San Franciscoians. Have met this over stone, emailed both of them and the entire commission. May end Public Comment at Police Commission meet ing. All about the crucial need to improve the black community in San Francisco and the creation of dg09. 1. Their participation to the process is essential. Commissioner carter approached a member asking, isnt this weird that jones cares so much about theasked what is wrong with him . As seeing somehow suspect and tiredwe should have to talk to jones directly. To go the people on the team and backed and last integrity. Clerk good evening, caller you have two minutes. In the black community. The following is quote from felicia jones. Quota dressing the the black is urge ept. I have grown tired of talking to the commission and to board of aoupses. Where is the urgency. When are you going to take responsibility and address the statistics. You took an old to uphold the law for all San Franciscoians, im tired not tired enough to quit but tired enough of beating an old horse. We reached out to new resources who find this anti blackness and urgency. Use of force policies are being considered, anti black disparity is as high now as ever. A black San Franciscoian is 15 times to experience use of force than a white San Franciscoian. Based on language barriers, et cetera is being proposed. Lope, qeita and woods and those are just few who have been murdered. For example sfpd lied when translator in spanish when the audio was released, it included only a few seconds before they opened fire. Always before approaching and apprehending somebody. Thank you. Thank you, thats the end of Public Comment. Action for the meet of 12, 2022. Can i get a motion to adopt. So moved. Second. Second. On the motion, commissioner walker, how do you vote . Yes. Commissioner walker is yes. Commissioner benedicto. Yes. Yanez. Yes. Commissioner yanez is yes. Commissioner byrne. Yes. Oberstone. Yes. Commissioner elias . Yes. You have six yeses. Item number 3, code 6228, second and Third Quarter 2022 and request for approval to accept four tickets from the San Francisco Police Credit union to participate in the Golf Tournament valued at 900. Can i get a motion. Make a motion to receive and file. Second. Members of the public who would like to make Public Comment regarding line item 3, press star3 now or approach the podium. Chief who gets to go golfing . And there is no Public Comment. On the motion, walker. Yes. Commissioner walker is yes. Benedicto. Yes. Yanez. Yes. Byrne. Yes. Vice president. Yes. And president elias. Yes. Clerk you have six yeses. Were going to take line item 7. Racial disparity and traffic stops presented by agnus director of criminal justice and senior fellow at institute california. Discussion. Thank you, welcome come on up. Im going to turn it over to my colleague for introductions of these amazing people and item on our calendar. Great, thank you the commissioner is fortunate to have magnus. The Public Policy ppic recently published a report on Racial Disparities and traffic stops state wide and it is, especially jermaine given this commissions work in that very policy area. Ill give a brief introduction of mr. Lopstrom before let being him take it a way. And senior fellow his research focusing crime residvism and continues to examine the criminal Justice System during the covid pandemic. His areas of expertise span issues and immigration, education and entrepreneurship. His research has been published in numerous books and journal, including the review, review of economic and statistics. Journal of Economic Perspective and many others. His work has also been sited by numerous media outlet including the Washington Post and wall street journal. He serves on the Editorial Board of industrial relations and member of them, california state controller john chan. Prior to joining ppic he was a faculty member at the university of texas at dollar and university of irvine and most recently at the California School of berk. Received his ph. D from university of california. That was a lot of impressive accomplishment apologies for the delay. With that t ill turn it over to you. Thank you, and i want to thank the opportunity to share with you some findings from a resent report that we but blishd. I believe that the commission has copies of the slides as well. So i will walk through these. Fantastic. I do in deed, one second. While we get that started, we can run through introductory, this slide really. So couple of things, i want today point out that the work that im presenting is going to work with my colleagues. Joe haze, brandon as well as deepak who is with me tonight. I want to report that this is from funding arnold ventures. Its wellknown that there are inequities in california as well throughout our nation. And the state has taken some steps to reduce Racial Disparities in policing. Including efforts to collect data on police stops. And increase transparent sees in the interactions that these individuals have. And that includes in 2015, the state passed racial profiling actor ripa which mandates by 2023 all lawsuit agencies in california will collect data on all stops including detailed information on perceived demographic, resent for the stop as well as actions taken by the officer during the stops. These data are a rich data source and helps us understand disparities in policing. Staring with largest ones. And we used these data in the past and what we found was not surprising, that people of color had different experiences in the interactions with Law Enforcement including searches intrusiveness and use of force. And the biggest disparity is really between black and white residents. We also examine the role of the context of the stop and we found that these are some of the factors that do contribute to some of the Racial Disparities. But even when you account for the factors, were still seeing inequities, especially between black and white residents. And one of the key findings that we released in late 2020, was that traffic stops is a key driver of these racial inequities. So what were doing in this most resent report that was just released a few weeks ago. We look at traffic stops specifically and we ask whether certain traffic stops can be enforced in alternative ways. We can do that by examining traffic stops depending on what time of day they took place. What type of Law Enforcement agencies is maybing the stops. So were going to look at chp versus local Law Enforcement. And we also going to look at this by the type of Traffic Violation. And were going to basically lump it into moving violation versus non moving violation. And basically what were hoping to do is identifying some, some types of traffic stops that can be considered for alternative methods ideally, what they could do is improve officer civilian safety as any traffic stop. There is inherent risk for both officers as well as the civilian. As well as reduce Racial Disparities and enhance police dis efficiency. After all were talking about an officers time being used during a traffic stop or any type of stop. And we want to identify the types of stop that would have these positive affects and do so without jep adder Public Safety. And thats thinking about the alternatives, what are the types of stops that could be used. So in this report, we use rapid data on 3. 4 million traffic stops that were made. 15 largest Law Enforcement agencies that includes chp, 8 Police Department including San Francisco Police Department and 6 sheriff departments. These are stops that were made in 2019, there is more resent data for 2020 but as we know, 2020 was highly unusual year and what we see in that day is may be a reflection, so were focusing on the to 19. What do we see . Not surprisingly that most traffic stops are going to take place when there are the most vehicles on the road. Thats during our peek committing hours. But were noticing that there is a large of number of stops that take place in the late evenings, hours around midnight. About 20 of traffic stops that take place given any during any given day, are during the hours, right before and after midnight. And the late p. M. Early am are more non moving violations. We find that there are a number of stops where there is no enforcement, not even a warning is issued. And there is in the event that the officer conducted a search, there is no contraband found. 211,000 stops in 2019 and that represents 6 of traffic stops in that year. About half of these no enforcement traffic stops happen in the late p. M. , early am and most of those are made by Police Departments for non moving violations. And against no enforcement and no discovery and that represents about 7 of total that officers report spending on traffic stops. In terms of some other findings, we find that Law Enforcement and this is mostly local Police Department in 905 in the traffic stops, firearms were confiscated. About haver of these were in stops for non moving violations. And well look closer at San Francisco pd. In which firearms were confiscated. And about twothirds of those, almost 50 were non mofpg violations. If we turn to Racial Disparities on this data, what we find is that the largest Racial Disparity in traffic stop, again occured around midnight and hours right before and after midnight and especially in stops by police. What im showing you here in this graph is, the racial distribution in traffic stops that are made by Police Departments. The stop hour and these numbers refer to the time of the day and its a 24hour on military clock. What we see for example, if we look at 3 00 am, we see that in these traffic stops made by the Police Department in these 8 Police Department, 15 of those drivers who are stopped at 3 00 am were white drivers, 43 were latino. 34 were black drivers and 3 were asian. And when we see that there are large disparities throughout today but theyre especially stark in those hours right before and after midnight. If we look at what kind of experiences these are and we look at the likelihood of being searched. The search disparities are greatest in evening stops again by local Police Department, sheriffs and Police Department but also that the discovery rates are relatively low. So if we look here, what were looking at the challenge, the differences in the likelihood of being searched in a traffic stop being made by local Law Enforcement between latino and black drivers compared to black drivers and how that varies. Both of the solid lines, theyre all positive numbers, telling us that latino and black drivers throughout the day are more likely to be searched than white drivers. So before midnight. And what we see this is roughly 1 in 10 of white drivers are being searched. Its about 1 in 5 latino driver and about 1 in had black drivers. Thats when we have the biggest disparity in searches. If we look at the likelihood of that search yielding some contraband and evidence. And what you see, those are negative meaning that avenueser are less likely to find contraband and evidence in searches throughout the day. 211 traffic stops in which there is no enforcement and no discovery. And again when we look at the Racial Disparity and looking at the composition of the drivers who are stopped and there is no enforcement and no discovery and how it varies throughout the day, we find that black drivers make shares of stops with no discovery. For example, if we look at that again. Lets say if we look at the 3 00 am, its roughly the same. We zoo that 14 of those 211, whatever that number for 3 00 am, 14 of those drivers stopped and there is no enforcement and no discovery and contraband are white drivers. 42 are latino and 3 are asian. Thats a rather notable, you see that, between 3 to 4 times, of drivers who have this experience with no enforcement and no des carity compared to shared white drivers. And when we look a little bit closer at the stops, the 20111 stops where there is no enforcement or discovery. In the vas majority, the only interaction between the Law Enforcement and the individuals being stopped is verbal communication. But there are a number of these stops where we see intrusive action, what we call inclusive action here. And they vary from being asked to step out of a vehicle or patrol car to handcuffed or even involving an officers weapon. What we see in about 50,000 out of these 2011 stops, the individual was asked to step out of the vehicle and in about 35,000, the individual there was a curb side and patrol car detention and 361 of these 211,000 stops. Involved an officers weapon. If you look at the racial composition, what we see again is very notable, Racial Disparity where black drivers. Inclusive actions, inclusive action that were looking at and that can be compared to the share of californias population whereabout 6 of california population in 2019 was black. There are other factors to contribute to these patterns that were seeing. Race ethnicity and depending on the time of day. Theyre enough for us to say anything about racial bias in police stops. And racial by as in a particular out tom and thats the likelihood of being stopped for Traffic Violation by a Law Enforcement officer. Its not enough to make these comparison between night time and daytime stops as these factors that i mentioned before can contribute to those patterns. So that would not be credible evidence of racial evidence. So what were doing, is were applying something of veil of darkness fairy. Again, we cant just because of these pattern compared daytime and night time stops and then based on that if there is racial bias or not. So were looking at very specific situation where we have sudden changes in light conditions for the exact same time of the day. And were about to hit one of those instances very soon, next weekend, Daylight Saving times. Right . We know when that happens, youre going to have a change in the light conditions. So were going to take those. We take, we look at those particular dates in march and november. And you can identify certain types of day when the snz switch from light to dark and if they switch from dark to light, what they tells us, that makes it for tult for officer to determine the Race Ethnicity and if there is racial bias in those situations, what you would expect the share of people of color in those stops should go down and vice versa when it switch from dark to light. So we look at the twoweek period and the twoweek after and compare the racial composition of those stops. What do we see . We find that there is some evidence of racial bias in stop among local Law Enforcement. So what youre seeing here is on the left hand side of this figure on slide 10, you see how the share of people of color, black and latinos, how that changes after we have a switch due to daylight times and the conditions switch from light to dark and we see a significant decrease and a share of drivers who are latino and black. Then you should see an increase in the share of black and latino drivers in deed thats what the data points towards. All right so to summarize, traffic stops made by local Law Enforcement particular consideration, these are stops that are predominantly for non moving violations. By the discovery rates are lower. Theyre more likely to lead to no enforcement and no discovery. And theyre also the stops where we see the greatest despair pits. Firearms are confiscated on the stops. Starting off with alternative enforcement methods. To mail warns or registered owner of the vehicle as oppose today engaging in a stop. When it comes to moving violations, alternatives red light cameras although the latter is not legal in california. Both approaches have been found to reduce crashes and improve road safety. And while this could reduce availabler disparity and safety of both civilian and officers, its possible that the methods may also reduce the number of firearms confiscated. So if we think about violation of addressing inequities, from that perspective. There is not particularly Research Support for that being affective. But there are some including diversifying police staff. And also research to find that reallocating officers to calls from same race or ethnicities neighborhoods is something that can reduce Racial Disparity as well. All right, so with that, thank you. Well not done just yet because we now get to ask all of these unique questions. Thank you for your presentation, it is very informative. I just had a few questions for you. On slide 4, you indicated that 00 firearms and 900 fire stops that out of the 211. Thats out of the 3. 4 million. So only 05. 905 of those stops resulted in gun confiscation. Exactly. Thts devastating to see the demographics when it comes to the latino population which seems very very high. With respect to the Racial Disparities and searches. Thsz very month tiff, im so glad that youre here, thank you for sharing this with us. I want to see if maybe those slides can be published. If you can turn them over. Absolutely, i have submitted to the commission and they have posted. You have similar slides at ppse. Org where the entire report is also available for the public as well. I thought i saw that 85 of the stops involving folks that are handcuffs are black and brown communities . Well if youre adding black and latino, thats correct. That is extremely disappointing. Thats more than twice the share that they represent in california overall population. Oh im well aware of those and in San Francisco the numbers are even more drastic. Thank you, commissioner elias, you talked about the issue that i wanted to talk about. And firearms recovered in stops, its very responsible to day that so many result ini would suggest not that anyone asked me, if were going to saskatchewan about firearms that we tie the fact so the number so people can see how future it actually is. It often gets used as a justification that is, invalid ated by statistics. When you talked about the solution, your primary solution and initial pollution that was proposed was mailing citations a response to address some of the race disparities that are really important. And in case people are not connecting the dots, mailing citation means not stopping. That means restricting stops specifically. So i wanted to connect the dots and thank you for this presentation, these were excellent points and excellent validation. I love Evidence Base solutions and conversations and this is extremely informative for concerns that this commission has been addressing for a very long time, as long as concerns that dpa has been focused on for a long time. But having validation for the work and the solution i think is, important for us to get beyond the rederrick and move towards real solution thats will be beneficial to the entire city and the department itself. Thank you for being here, and thank you for the presentation, we look forward to working with you on the issue and partner with you with some of the work that youre doing. So share some of the statistics that we have, some of the complaints and sustained cases that you have. We would love to do that in the future. Absolutely. I just had a followup question real quick. Do we know why, that 85 of being handcuffed . Is it a policy . Is there niz rhyme or reason . What we were referring to as intrusive action, there is no one enforcement, there is no discovery of contraband or evidence. We dont know what is driving that. Thank you, we appreciate this data so we get criticized a lot for some of the policy decisions that we make but i think it shows that we do take the Evidence Base practices into consideration, so we appreciate that. Commissioner walker . Thank you, thank you for this present ace. A lot of detail to look into. We know that this is california in mass. I think that, are you able to discern where it may be San Francisco had better numbers percentages or did you go into that depth . The data allows somebody to do that. At this point, it was providing an overview and can we see from the aggregate of the Police Department and sheriff Police Department as well as the largest Law Enforcement agency in california, california highway patrol. But it would allow for a comparison that we are looking at across specific agencies. That would be really helpful as see phoning us on what were doing here. You made a mention of 79 traffic stops. How many of the total stops were done, so we can have a comparison . Thats the kind of thing that would be helpful for us as we move forward in what we need to do to counter that to be really specific so we can compare . . In 2019, sfpd reported 66,000 traffic stops, so that is out of 66,000 traffic stops. I guess i can figure out the percentage myself. Comparing that number, towards to the 905 total and given the size and number of traffic stops that sfpd made in 2019, its a larger than the overall average. I had another, i had the same question commissioner elias had, do we know were folks were handcuffed . And what the racial . Rational . As were discussing this, is that other cities are en gainld in these reforms and have different this method of doing it. Loss also does a lot of describing why theyre stopping and accelerating into a searching kind of thing. Looking at the population, its affecting by a lot of things, this daytime, you think similar traffic at the time. And what does the light and dark versus change that . Thats really interesting to look at. It would be helpful to sort of have more information about that. And i understand and if you come back, if you want to focus on the almost 15,000 traffic stops that did not lead to any enforcement or discovery of contraband, about half of those are for non moving violations. So if you think of alternative benefits without any negative Public Safety or road safety, thats a place to look at. Theyre not in stops made by chp, these are stops made by the 8 Police Department again. I think everybody in this conversation recognizes that there is Racial Disparities in the overall numbers. And as were doing policy, im really interested in having data in the moment so we can see if its working, if there is consequences that we didnt anticipate related to the safety around safety, some of the things that we list to not stop for our on sidewalks with scooters and bikes not stopping that. I think the data has been collected in a way that we can look at the outcomes. One of the things that were looking at just as we look at the conversation, one of the things is member cal, lights registration, licensing all of that stuff and thats lael economics. Every month, you know, its expensive and so, so having is part of the solution granting and you know, agencies supporting making sure you know, maybe if were doing ticketing the mailing things that we actually connect people to assistance to help them solve those issues. In addition to describing thed things that were not going to do, describe the things that could be consequencetial. One of the presentations that we had a few weeks ago, was focused on women in officers and the data around how, how we need to recruit more. One thing that stood out is data that Women Officers do less pretext stuff but more affective at it. Whats the difference . I think it would be interesting to include data if we can do it legally about who is doing this . Who is pulling over whom and what that means. I know its challenging but were talking about Racial Disparities. And i think we need to dig down and have that information. To move these discussions including what youre mentioning. The data is collected also includes information on, on some officers. Theyre specific demographics as well. Theyre now publicly available. This would help out in extending our knowledge. I also considering alternative methods, what is it that were trying to achieve bit alternative methods that were talking . Making sure that we monitor and do the valuation so were seeing the cults that we expected. And at the same time, do monitor and do the valuations about possible law and consequences that we dont want to see as well. And not limit that simply to the stops that were enforcing or changing enforcement. I think that this, as there are alternative methods is to also include monitoring and evaluation of how successful they are and if they do have unintended consequences thats key. And really too, encouraging more partnership with our local pd. Were doing this locally, were not creating california laws, were really looking at the local impact. So i really would like to see the data on that, thank you. Thank you. Vice president. Thank you, and thank you for the presentation. I share commissioner walkers zeal fauxer getting data. Good thing is that were going to get it next month at a presentation. I just wanted to ask a few questions go over a few questions. This is in the report as well. Highlight the black and latino drivers are more likely to be searched but much less likely to be discovered with contraband. I wanted to cause for a moment. And i wonder if you can explain but lower yield rates and what the academic literature concludes about that. As youre increasing the number of individuals, you search and would this, would be increase in discovery, right . If all intends on the ability of officers to identify with some per significance whether an individual is, you know, carrying contraband on them. But the fact that were seeing consistency as you look at the particular graph when you look at it throughout the day, how the search rate varies and they vary in that relative sense that if we look at the evening hours for example, that those are times when black latino drivers are likely to be searched. There is no evidence that those yield contraband. Thats bh we see the higher search rates. Thats when individuals are more likely to be searched but its also when we have the lowest discovery rate. There is some movement by reducing smft search rates and possibly not having a big impact on the discovery in those situations. I think its difficult to predict what is going to happen. I think that the way to learn about that is to make changes to the practices, maybe limit it to certain district, to certain periods. I think we should come in and look at these things. I think those looking not only at the, you know the searches and whether they yield contraband or evidence is also on the enforcement site. And they are that from perspective of efficiency of policing as well. At least a discussion of should we pursue that. And then another conclusion in the report, Racial Disparities in the Early Morning hours for stops. And im wondering if there were any conclusions why that was. Which you suggested more difficult. For example our neighborhood being targeted more during the hours. Im curious why theyre high. The data that is, as presented now and publicly available. Partly could be because of differences where enforcement is taking place and there might be, you know, certain locations where you have higher shares of people of color, if thats contributing to it or other factors as well. So the data as it is now, really does not allow us to shed much light on why those disparities are particularly large during those hours around midnight. You mentioned that the no discovery stops were about 60 stops. If ufrp to say that a warning counted as enforcement. I believe that when we looked and we designed no enforcement including then, a warning. That was about one million of the traffic stops. So it changes dramatically. So youre talking about 29, 30 of stops would be no enforcement no discovery if you included a warning as no enforcement . If you define it so include, a warning. Which i think some people would think of a warning. You had 80,000 hours being use on no discovery stops. All of a suddencious youre talking about 5x that, Something Like that. I think, that there is something to be added to that, is that there is, there is a benefit from the drivers perspective to simply receive a warn or any other consequences. And you might have then Racial Disparities in that way that actually, assist people of color. So i dont think we would forget that part. Its just about zero Public Safety benefit, measurable benefit. Last question, i guess ill just end again, by thanking you, i appreciate ppic investing in this project. A little over ten years, lowly legislative aid in sacramento, i used to consume a lot of ppi reports. I appreciate shedding a light. And ill end with asking, what is next . Youve done this report, where youve done a great job slicing up the data, can you give us a sneak peek of what ppi sees next . Were looking at, one of the things that is in particular interest i think to many people in california is of course, the ability to successful allow formerly incarcerated individuals to reenter our communities. Were working with the california of corrections rehabilitation on evaluation of imprison programming that is something that were doing. Were also investigating, criminal offending and how that may have changed with new generations. Where new generations are less likely to commit crime compared to older generations. We also have some other work that may be down by partner deepak how arrest and rearrest changed during covid and possibility of one, one project that will look at zero bail specifically to see, what kind of impact or not it had on the arrest and rearrest so those are the works we have in the pipeline right now. Great, thanks so much for that. Thank you. Commissioner yanez. Thank you for the presentation and taking time to go through these numbers. Any analysis of jurisdiction that have adopted some of the recommendations such as mailing in you know, citation in lieu of pulling somebody over and having a stop . And the impact those have had on an improvement or an impact on the Racial Disparities. That im aware of no. And the last question, i have is you included some recommendations or possible considerations here. And one of them specifically about reallocating officers to calls from neighborhoods, is that a practice that is implemented in another jurisdiction and can you elaborate . Not that im aware of, its a study done in chicago, very very wm done interesting study with extremely detailed data that allows for an assessment of of the impact of Racial Disparity of this kiepd. What they find is officers for example who are in an area that is you also have white officers is less likely to make stops and you have less of these intrusive actions in those areas as well. So if you reallocate it in some way where you have officers black neighborhood that that would reduce Racial Disparity. And also the more we can have local data and analysis is going to be beneficial to informing the direction that were taking. This is very helpful, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, director henderson. Thank you, couple of things and then you, couple of i brought up and then you raised couple of other issues that i thought were super important, were super grateful to have you here and have this presentation. I want to make sure that things are not lost. Your presentation ties to a lot of conversations that have been happening for a very long time in this commission. So thats why there is so many comments and questions for you. Its all positive and we appreciate you being here. But i just wanted to make to confirm, the issue that i think commissioner, carteroberstone talked about addressing the stops and handcuffs with the black and Brown Community without enforcement and without contraband goes beyond the lowered police efficiencies. I wanted to define the lower which is the 80,000, because i did the math because i did a calculator. As for 400,000 hours of wasted tie, or not wasted time but time that could have been better spent from Law Enforcement agencies patrolling and what happens in communities of color where theyre found in situations where theyre over policed and under protected because of the situation that are confirmed by data like this. The real focus though, is beyond a conversation of Public Safety is the balance of public harassment for those communities of color. And we have not talked about but naz a really important conversation. Second with what were talking about, we have to talk about the representation that represent the 85 of the stops that end up being handcuffed where there is no Law Enforcement action, there is no contraband, there is nothing that comes out of that situation. Other than the harassment from behavior that does not need to happen. We have to, i believe take steps to do that. I love that you made specific recommendations at the end of the slide and we heard really good comments from the commissioners here before we talk about what those things are, i just wanted respond back to commissioner walker talking about being balanced against other concerns like scooters on the sidewalk other types of stops that are valid and enumerated in the vehicle code. I want to make sure that were not presuming that those are more at risk with the cost being made to the communities of color does that make sense . I just want to make sure that were not presuming that we will have those disparities and Public Safety because were addressing specifically the race disparity and to the degree that is a possibility that we should continue to make the measuremented and recording to make sure that we can tweak and adjust. I like to the thing that you said in terms of some of those solutions about having maybe we just switch and put women and the traffic patrols. Maybe we do increase the bias training and relate to traffic stops and maybe we try race coordinated deployment. I just think we have to do something. We cannot do anything when we have these phone facts concerning the des paters. I vasly appreciate having an economic disparities. That they know from antidotal and personal experiences. If it was not been cleared, i dont think it would be more clearer than from this evening that action has to be taken, and we have to do something with these confirmed statistics about what is going on here in california. Its disappointing that there is nohopefully your presentation will confirm that San Francisco will be at the for front, race disparities that we have built in into Law Enforcement and. That was a speech. Thank you, commission benedicto. Thank you, i want to echo what all commissioners have said about your work on this study. I know this was a question raised by other commissioners, i know Vice President said what your next steps are and what agency right side doing. Having taken action in Response Data like this. I also want to say for members of the public that, this is just one additional piece in the process of commissions undertaken on our proposed policy on traffic stops that is included. I think that were glad to have that. Before we let you go, chief, is there anything you want to add to the respect to the departments decision on any of these solutions or any solutions that the department has been pondering . Thank you, Vice President. Thank you for the report, i read it. I know its not in the report, but anything that you can lend about the role of stops and any of data that you raised or whether or not you have any conclusions or thoughts about how pretextual stops may play a part. There is no way to directly identify what which pretextual stops. Where theyre the ones where they may have been having suspicious but there is no evidence, no enforcement, no discovery of contraband so theyre a sub set of that. It allows us to then look at the sub set of the pretextual stops and thats as far as we can go with this data. Thank you. And on the recommendation of red light cameras, is there any specific, cities including our red light cameras and at least some. Right. Is there any data that you, can guide us to that makes a comparison between that type of enforcement compared to a general enforcement . Not that im aware of, its really around the Traffic Safety and the benefits around implementing those. But i have not seen and i dont know if deepak is aware of any studies and studies beyond that of those cameras. Hes nodding no, so i dont think there is any research, nothing that were aware of. As i said to monitor what the outcomes are in terms of the intended ones. But also evaluation with revisions to those changes as well. Thank you for that. And you know, two years ago, when speed light cameras were at least on the, on the table for the legislature to decide on, this department and the city was in favor and that was one of the benefit thats we thought. But, it will be good to have some research to really vet that out whether that would make a difference in making this issue better. If you get your handson anything, we would love to read it and if you can share it with us. As there is consideration for alternative method is to do pilot tests as well that are accompanied with evaluation along the lines that im talking about. So they have a better sense of what is are the expected consequences if we rollout this at a greater level as well. Thats part of it, as well. Of course when it comes to the speed cameras there are legal reasons why we cant do it. But with the regular cameras one can where one selects certain areas and then, do a comparison of those that were praeted with those cameras compared to those that werent, just to get a better sequence both intend asked unintended in those kind of implementations. Thank you. Thank you. You bring up a really good question which is the pretext stop. One flt study is l. A. And l. A. Has a pretext stops but it does not outline certain offenses like our proposed policy does. So its hard, which is what we run into which is how do you proof, its based on pretext. And its my understanding that l. A. Has a ban on pretexting stops but it has not changed the Racial Disparities of because of it, in a significant way. Interesting. Yeah, okay. Commissioner walker. As im getting more information about this and reading, its really also very important how we describe this. Ban versus reasons, i mean, my, my fear is what i hear from people in the community if you know, that youre not going to be stopped for doing certain things. Y would you comply with the law if its not a law . So it almost how you actually describe it. And the issue here is racially biased stops. And all of what were talking about is the outcome and that type of thing. I agree with commissioner benedicto that looking at the data that is available so far and also looking at the current data locally rather than 2019, yes its different but we have to dealing with right now. Where are we right now . I think that, these are important things to add into the conversation and really, localize it for our purposes. And see what other cities are doing. Thank you again. Thanks. Great. I should point out when were talking about alternative enforcement, were talking about enforcement that does not yield that en sint i have to ignore the laws. Your earlier point is an important one but at the same time, you have a certain types of non moving violation thats are currently because you have an expired license that tag, the you have the license plate. You know who the registered owner is, its not a question of technology. And who is doing it. We have a street safety. Thank you. Thank you. One more question and comment, ill make the comment first. Number one, i want today appreciate i heard you say several times about, paying attention to unintended consequences and i appreciate that. That would be good for us to know, what the intended consequences that we need to monitor. I just appreciate the comment and i dont want to put you on the stop but if you have some ideascious were interested in. Well be happy to help out in the situations. Sounded like he invited you back. I think he did. Thank you and is your team for being here and presented. We really praoern it. Thank you all. All right, can we open up to Public Comment. Its time for Public Comment on item 7. If you would like to make Public Comment, please approach the podium or press star3. Speaker i thank the commission for hearing from experts and analyst about this issue. Ipg that dpen, you have an overwhelming whelming members of Community Members and organizations that have race concerns about pretext stops. Of african less than 5 . We want to make sure that people are not stopped. There are alternatives in order to do so. Again, i urge the commission to hear from the dozens and dozens of Community Organizations and people who have written and weighed in on this issue and we hope that, youll listen to organizations such and some of the other organizations on the recommendations. Thank you. . Fm good evening, caller you have two minutes. Speaker good evening, chief scott executive director henderson, im brian cox im a member of the Coalition End bias. Ill keep my comments wraoef. Brief. This is using traffic stops to detect crime is not work. I think they need to try a different policy approach. And that also pretext stops remains a serious concern. And as director henderson, reiterated 85 of the folks arrested are black and brown. And i know its california, its not San Francisco specifically. But i think the data are comparable in terms of the Racial Disparities for years . So i think the commission needs to enact a strong policy. And not yield to the public pressure of fear mongering about other concerns. They can talk about Public Safety concerns. We should be talking about the harms caused by police in traffic stops. Thats clearly part of the discussion. I urge this commission when it comes about that concept to use the community in that way. So im looking forward to hearing and it can include a list and other option thats significantly restrict actions after a traffic stop. Thank you. Good evening, caller you have two minutes. Speaker this is resident in district 1. I would like to echo the thoughts of the first two callers and specifically bringing 901 for a vote if possible. Thank you for noting stops in fact our black and Brown Community. This is a Public Safety issue. This is a Public Health issue and significant ways to resource this. Thank you for present ace and suggestion, i would have is to have the data instead of percentage. I think that would provide viewers with deeper understanding of disparity especially black and brown communities. Earlier related member of the comment and adverse Impact Communities discontinued enforcement. After that comment discuss the data and details and negative impacts and harm to the communities. We know that these are disproportionately in the brown and black community. Distrust to the police, disproportion use of force and in tragic cases death. The impact on the black and brown communities are Public Safety issues. There is data on these and we need to consider these more serious impact. License plate and expired registration. And also we need to target goals and we need to monitor how were going with those. Or result in positive impact to the communities that we serve. Thank you. Good evening, caller, you have two minutes. Speaker my name is evan sean gwynn im a community partnerand we stapped partner to end pretext stops. Created a divide between local police and community. The rate in which plaque and Brown Community happened is disproportion to the white people in San Francisco. Continues to cycle generational poverty in black and Brown Community. Focused on vision 0. The goal of Traffic Related Fatalities in your hes in 224. This year alone, one of the most tragic years since the city adopted vision zero in 2014. Most of our high injury streets are in the community of color fm therefore we know where dangerous behavior is happening and who is getting harmed the most. Instead of asking sfpd to focus on traffic dangers, speeding, not yield to go pedestrians, not stopping to stop signs. Keeping them will end preventable crashes that lead in fatality in serious injuries. Stop wasting their limited resources on pretext stops and focus on addressing unsafe driving behaviors. Thank you. Good evening, caller. You have two minutes. Good evening, this is gloria dairy. I hear all of this agenda item, i just left out of the reservations meetling. Meeting. However i have a concern, its brought up year after year we go through this, because this is not new news. But because of the grants given to the Police Department that are able to fund these stops. Who is funding these grants . And why are these grants are based on how many stops police make. The department is getting money, and the way they spend the money is to racial profile people, then do these grant providers know that . If there are ways that we should know about the public. The grants need to be looked into. I think that is clear your point this far. Other than that, this is old news and sad news and like, i believe the presenter said at one point contraband is found more on white people when theyre stopped. This is to reduce crime in San Francisco that is just fear mongering and it appears bad as usual. Thank you. Good evening, caller, you have two minutes. I was shocked by something commissioner walker said. That some Community Members told her that they were concerned if tha if minor non moving violations were longer going to be ticketed or sited, that people would start to violate left and right, because they would not care. And it occured to me, i forgot to introduce myself im juice an buckman and im part black community. And i had heard that before coming from Police Officers. So i really hope that people understand that when a Police Officer gives an opinion, theyre not represented the community, theyre not affected by these in their daily life. And i really wish that when Police Officers or People Associated with the Police Department, would call in and make Public Comment, that they had begun to identify themselves. Identify their differences and not present themselves with members of the community. Thank you. President elias, that is the end of Public Comment. Line number 4, provide an overview of the incidents and events occurring in San Francisco having an impact on Public Safety. Thank you, officer, im going to go briefly about the weekly triem trends and talk about the some of the incidents that occured over the last week. In terms of overall crime, we are at 7 up overall and thats a difference of about 3000, just short of 3000 crimes, just over 3000 crimes from this time last year. Total property crimes is up 7 . Thats about 2800 crime difference and Violent Crime is up 8 which is about 300 crime difference from this time last year. In terms of the individual category, homicides are down 3 , rapes are up 7 cious robberies 6 and assaults up 7 . Human trafficking is down 55 although those numbers are small compared to the number of total Human Trafficking cases. Larceny is the driver of our crime year to date. Burglaries are down 21 which is good news. And in terms of larceny, auto burglars are up 10 . Category show arson decrease 13 and Motor Vehicle thefts are down by 4 . Im going to go back to our Violent Crime, there is 162 shooting incidents, 30 of those incidents resulted in homicides. And we have 155 non Fatal Shooting victims. Looking at a 5year trends, were actually lower than we were at this time last year in terms of firearm related homicide. There is a decrease, 9 decrease and shooting victims were up by 4, 154, 151 thats a 30 increase. And 1 change which represents one crime different from last year. 184 compared to 185. Total homicides, 2 decrease, we had 43 homicides year to date. And as far as gun seizure at a thats increase from last year. Of those ghost guns, total 163 of the 890. And that is, compared to 2020, that is 139 percent increase. 30 last year and 167 percent increase over 2019. So significant increase in ghost guns recovery and seizures over the last couple of years. Looking at the narcotic picture, our tenderloin drug seizures up to 81, 544 ghost grams. The majority is fentanyl. There is been a total of 125,000, 125,426 dollars in cash seized. Okay, significant incidents, im going to go straight to the biggest incident of this week. And thats the attack on Speaker Pelosis husband. Ill read from the press release to be consistent with the information that we have put out thus far. On october 28, 2022 at 227 am, San Francisco Police Officers were dispatched to the resident of nancy pelosi for a well being check. When officers arrived on scene, they en counted an adult male suspect and mr. Pelosi paul, each with one hand on a hammer. Later, the suspect hulled the hammer and violently assaulted, struck him at least once that we know of. Officers tackled the suspect and disarmed him and the officer requested emergency back up and paramedic and began rendering to mr. Pelosi. Has been identified as 42yearold david depath, d. E. P. E. T. H. They were transported to the local hospital for treatment. I want to say that, both federal and state charges have been filed dense mr. Deepap. This is involving the San Francisco federal bureau of investigation and Capitol Police and San Francisco District Attorney office and u. S. Attorneys office. A lot of coordination. I would like to thank our partners, there is a media coordination from the onset. And a lo of moving parts in this investigation. But its really good cooperation. And i also want to just, call out the dispatcher who took hall. Her name is heather rhymes and the information has been released and anybody can read what has been released. She did a remarkable job and had to figure out that there was something more than reported. And had to upgrade that while being checked to a pay party which caused a much quicker response than,000 those calls are normally coded. And the officers, responding officers also did a an amazing job. And those officers are kobe, cal kagny and Sergeant Edmond wang. And again, this on going and active investigation. The both federal prosecutor and local prosecutors are both working diligently with the San Francisco Police Department and Capitol Police. From this point forward any release of information is likely to be made by the prosecutors since this case is now going through the Legal Process and mr. Depap is getting his due process. That has been, that has been a heavy lift with the Department Just with the coordination, just all of the Media Attention and the inquiries about this case. But let me take a step back and say to just for the Speaker Pelosi and her family, she has put out a statement which i will refer to everybody to that statement. But basically, what statement that has been put out, the family is traumatized and, its been a horrific ordeal for them. And i know theyre not the only victim of crime in this city. But this is been a very very tragic event in our city. And thank goodness that we were able to get there in time and thank goodness the person was arrested. He will receive his due process and its on going. And as much as i can reveal on that case at this time. Couple other updates, good news is there were no reported homicides for the week. And i know there was probably questions but a few more things. We did have a homicide however, this monday on the 30th outside of our Police Commission reporting period. That was a 2200 block of bay shore ingle side. Assaulted two buy standard. The subject beat one one of the buy standard, pretty violently including several strikes and had subject was arrested. However, unfortunately the victim sub combed to his injuries at the scene. An arrest was going and that investigation is on going. And we do charges to be filed on that particular case. Couple of other cases, there were four non fatal incidents causing the injuries to four victims. The first was in the 100 block and victim was shot and went inside the location and asked for help. The investigation on going, no arrest at this time. 1500 block of oak dale this happened on 10 25, the victim and his vehicle two suspects show past him. One suspect fired a single shot and no arrest has been made in that case as well. The victim is expected to survive. On the 29th of october, at pine and vaness in northern, a victim was parking his vehicle waiting for his girlfriend when subject drive to the drivers window and attempted to grab his gold shane. The victim struck at once and evidence was recovered. On the 29th at 5 50 p. M. In the engel side, the victim was working at a Security Guard at safeway and interrupted a shoplifter and the suspect shot the shoplifter once. The shoplifter fled on bus. They directed the location to the subject and officers found him and arrested him. An arrest was made and also the firearm was recovered on that particular case. One other significant arrest to mention, Banana Republic had a series of shoplifting incidents. And we have several incidents. We have arrested a suspect in that case. Investigated assigned to our organized retail task theft force reviewed other incidents with similar m. O. S including several at Banana Republic and found that this subject has stolen from this store at least four times in the past two weeks. On october 20th, the investigators spotted the suspect near the same store on grant avenue. He was arrested and charged with retail theft and shoplifting and for an out of county probation warrant out of san diego county. Other suspect in the company of main company was arrested on misdemeanor warrants for shoplifting. Two fatal collisions both were single vehicle incidents. First harrison and 14th street. A moped was basically, our victim lost control of the moped and ran into a parking meter. I know i went over. Thank you for that report, and i thank you for you and the officers that responded on the attack of mr. Pelosi. I saw earlier this week, the board of supervisors passed a resolution regarding, are there any changes based on that resolution . We have not made any changes. And i have to get back to you as far as what the changes may be. I, at this point no, but i will followup with you. My next set of questions are about, surveillance ordinance, i believe when we last spoke about that on the 12 the of october. Steve mentioned that november 5, 2022 was the expected affective date of that ordinance . We are still basically finalizing the training and and i believe the commission had asked for an update. So si saw a draft of everything late last week and we will schedule that for an agenda and we will brief the commission before implementing. Perfect. That takes care of my next questions, thank you chief. With that, ill ask that it be agendized. Thank you, benedicto. Commissioner walker . I want to reiterate appreciation to staff around mr. Pelosi. I know many of us know the pelosis, speaker has been a representative for many years. Its devastating as all crimes are but especially in this case. So i just want to appreciate those involved with that. It could have been so much worse. From the testimony and the hearings it could have well saved his life. I just, i personally really appreciate that. I also would like to, reading the article about the surveillance done at the national level, i think Capitol Police have cameras that they dont really watch them if the speaker is not there. As were talking about, you know, what we need to do differently in the environment, the rederrick around violence. Are you around how we can partner to avoid these situations. Hate crimes are in the increase. Yes. Specifically around San Francisco. Talked to chief, hes the Capitol Police chief a number of times since this happened and were differing any security related questions to the Capitol Police. So any member of congress including Speaker Pelosi. They have announced that, today, the some announcements were made about proposed changes. Well see how those play out. But the bottom line is, right now, were working with them while this incident is fresh and a lot of people are really concerned. Until we learn more, some things were already announced. But we will work with the Capitol Police but those are on going. Thank you. Commissioner byrne . Thank you, president elias. Two pointscious when we review these officer involved shooting with the return to duty. Do these officers, theyre away from the public until the d. A. Declination shoots. S p once the decision is made to rurp and Commission Evaluation my decision through evaluation process, theyre returned to the field. If, go ahead. Sorry. Weve had kharnld filed recently. Charges filed the officer are immediately removed from the field and no Public Contact until that case is resolved. So, so, like in some of the instances that weve seen. So those officers are out on control. Which officers are you referring to . In some of the instances, i dont want to get specific. But on some of the shoot thatsing we reviewed overtime, it aers pa fairly obvious that there does not appear to be any criminal conduct on the behalf of the officers where other cases is not so clear. In the indicates that its more or less clear that the officerdoes not look like any culpability. Are they allowed to go back on street patrol . Yes. Declination letter can take years. So theyre not per se on desk duty. Okay. The other line of questioning, what time. 2 27 am was i believe the time was dispatched at 2 27 p. M. But what time did the call come in. Not when they were dispatched. I believe it was a few minutes, i think it was four minutes four to five minutes prior to 2 27 to around 2 23. So around 2 23 and i think the officers were there within how many minutes. Within two minutes or so. Wow, okay. Yeah, thats, i mean that is very quick, i would compliment the San Francisco pd on that. I wish other citizens in San Francisco would get such a rapid response. Well many, i will say this, many citizens, many people in San Francisco do and some dont. I know we report our response times and afrmg. Sometimes were able to get there right away and sometimes it takes longer. On our priority is within the 7minute range on average. So 7minute from dispatcher calls the sends the dispatch. Somewhere around 2. Thats very good. Thank you. Thank you, sarnlt. Public comment please. If would you like to make Public Comment, please approach the podium or press star3. Hi, good evening, again ms. Brown. I like to use the overhead, i like to turn it around, the overhead about the zero reward for homicide and i came here last week, concerning that. I know that it not happen while you chief scott was here. I want to know where youre going to make it a live item concerning these unsolved homicides. These articles that ive been seeing, so im hoping that something is going to be done about this. Im getting calls about women in line item for this. So i can figure out whether these reward posters are real. I dont have any hope whether this is going to get paid out. We have digital posters now at the Police Station but why that im saying this. Why i did not help spear head if none of this is happening. We need answers. You have tip sters and theyre not even they got these names. Somebody gave these names. So theyre happy who is going to get paid . Thank you. Thank you. That is end of Public Comment. Ms. Brown, please submit your questions to the Commission Office so the department can prepare the presentation zone sure that all the questions are answered. And when they gave us a date, im agendizing it as soon as possible. Next item. A quick announcement, Police Commission will not meet next week but will return on november 16th. Line item 5, dp a trekers report discussion. Commission discussion will be limited. Director henderson . Thank you, let me start off with my statistics just to update folks on what is happening at dpa. Currently, we have opened 570 cases so far this year. And we have closed 603 cases. We have 251 cases and we have sustained 61 cases thats up from last year where at this time, we had sustained 61. We immediate ated 18 cases so far this case this year. And we have 22 cases whos investigation have gone beyond 9 months. And of those 22 cases, 19 of cases are told so that leaves three case thats were working on the department that are still being investigated. Still within time. There are currently 10 cases that are pending with the commission and there are as of today, 85 cases that are still pending decisions with the chiefs office. In terms of the weekly trend since last week, we received 13 new cases. The top allegation is for an officer failing to take required action as an allegation. In terms of the district break down and in the precinct, the largest number of allegations which are two are tied between two stations and tenderloin station. Involving allegations for behaviors with a suspect and officers. In terms of out reach, we continue to present to public as part of San Francisco Police Department Station Community meets. Last week we participated in the mission Station Community meeting. Also last week, we participated actively here at city hall and opportunities for resource fair. So we used that to distribute information to a lot of folks were there as intentional to learn about city agencies and we distributed our know your rights cards that we had for the attendees. Just a reminder, we used to have pamphlets, we still have the pamphlets. D but the feedback from the youth indicated that they prefer cards that they can carry around with them. Now we have both. We have the cards which what the kids wanted. Now in terms of the audit, i have a little update for folks. Last week, we held an exit conference with sfpd for the misconduct audit that is coming. Part of me giving the updates more regularly is so the they understand the process. And as i said before, audit will come out and a series of recommendation, so its not overwhelming number of recommendations tied to too broad subject matter which is why were having subjects like this and were going to have an you hadity. Audit, dpa is first of which sfpd public reporting on misconduct and discipline. The issuance is pending Quality Assurance review which is doing right now. Well have for this commission. On october 19th beinger resent our email to the sfpd and Police Commission of the 2. 801 zero one. There were no okay tiffities covered by d g. O. In 2021 because of covid. Dpa is going to determine the status of sfpd of recommendations made in the prior year. So we have the behavior in terms of outcomes. We do have a case this evening that is in closed session that is item 13c and also present today in the room is senior investigator candace carpenter that need to be addressed. If anybody needs to get in contact with dpa, they can contact us at the website at sfgov. 415there is a couple of agenda items that we have reports on and i will reserve my comments until we get to those issues moving forward. Commissioner benedicto. Couple of questions, first i want to, it looks like the 18 cases and were in november, that will probably on track to be lower than last years, 35, is there any reason why the mediation number is lower. Right now were doing a lot of training, internal trainings with the mediator. The training component is something that is, i dont want to call it new, but its something that weve committed to. So i know that that could be one of our factor but that does not affect people that are requesting. It gives me an opportunity to remind folks that we dont force mediation on folks. So often times, if restoreitve if they want to proceed with either discipline or making their complaints, it works on both sides. Sometimes the department and the officers themselves are not interested in working with it. Its hard to gauge on a case by case, other than on a case by case basis how the numbers fluctuate because so much is on making a decision to coordinate a resolution. I dont know if that answers the question but it explains part of the complication in terms of measuring why the numbers go up or down month to month. It does, thank you. I know that, only a couple of weeks ago, we had a presentation on the status dashboard, one of your twitter followers, tallying the launch as well. Im wondering if there is any numbers, either, numbers or just kind of feedback how its being perceived with those open cases and number of use and adoption. Yes, ill have information for you on that at the next commission because were having a meeting about it tomorrow morning. Thats how were going to get the feedback. I dont have it yet. Okay. Great, ill look forward to hearing that. And my last question, i know you mentioned the misconduct audit. I think the last time we checked in, the plan was to have the Quality Assurance. And one of the first intern deliverables in november. Is that still on track. I believe so, again, the update on most of these things is taking place tomorrow morning in xek staff. Got you one day early. Yeah, i dont think anything has changed but and i talked to the folks doing the audit numerous times and i know that they keep in contact with you. I would be surprised to learn that it had changed. This is exactly why i have the audit action so if there is no surprises and we can manage expectations about what were going to be delivering. Thank you, thats all. Thank you, commissioner yanez. Thank you, president i want to point of clarification, you mentioned restorive justice. Is there a new program at dpa . Or is it just the Mediation Program . Its still a remediation but its a restore tiff program. Its so closely tied to what the immediate ace is. I distinguish it as something that is different from discipline. Its not anything new or different. Right. Just because the last time it was presented, it was clarified na it was not restore tiff justice program, the way restorive justice is designed in new zealand. Ples a approach the podium or a press star3. President there is no Public Comment. Next item. Line number 6. Commissioner reports will be a brief description of activities and announcements. It will be limited for future commission meeting. Commissioner president s reports and commissioner announcement and scheduling of items identified for commission meeting. Thank you, im going to start with commission reports. I had the distinct pleasure and honor of attending a listening session hosted by dmried in connection with hrc regarding our d g. O. Traffic stop. It was very, it was a great experience for me. It was really eye opening, so i want it say thank you to hrc and to glide for hosting this event. There waser a lot of robust conversation and im looking for the report that theyre going to provide us. During the listening session, they put a program that they put on where he invites Law Enforcement officers to dress in plainclothes and come to glide. They have them participate in smft glide programs. This program is so successful that departments are contacting him and asking him if their Police Officers can come and participate in this program. And it was sad to hear that sfpd had not partake en or utilized this amazing opportunity that glide was offering to officers when its in our own back yard. So i had asked him to come and present to the commission this program and perhaps maybe make the reconnection between the sfpd or guide to participate in this Amazing Program that again is being recognized nationally and utilized by other Law Enforcement agencies. So i wanted to put that in your radar, it seems really interesting. I think he told me that he spoke to you and youre familiar with it and it soupeded like something that would be beneficial to our department. The other update is my continued participation and updating of the d g. O. Currently assigned to me. I want today remind my fellow commissioners to reach out to the department in dp a, its my understanding that you reached out to the department and dp a is waiting to reach out to them. So they can work with you. Well i actually did meet with the dp a during the meeting. Great. So just the clarify the record. I appreciate that. There are some other commissioners that have yet to reach out which im hoping will take place soon. And i want to thank my other commissioners who continue to move these d g. O. S along and touching base. Im going to turn it over to my colleagues. Commissioner benedicto. A couple of updates on me first, on the d g. O. S i had a positive and productive meeting including jenel and acting captain at the department. Where we made progress on identifying priorities on moving forward and set some concrete deadlines for the dp a to come back. So well really happy to have that update. And i want to echo your thanks to glide. With that one, weve exceeded the number of will is eping sessions town halls that has ever been down. I was able to track but were excited to announce that with the continued help, we have four more Community Listening sessions to announce. The information should be posted from the Human Rights Commission. But theyre happening over the next two weeks, next tuesday november 8th, there is going to be a listening session at at the art and culture come policemensing. Next wednesday, november 9th, the Bridge Community room at 1101 connecticut street. And the book or two washington center. Great, thank you. Commissioner yanez. Well be initialing a work group initially. We know that that will be a very, you know, an endeavor that im very excited to embark on because im a social media off the grider i would say. So this is going to be eming occasional for me. But i know that social media is a very, powerful medium and we definitely need to work on our d g. O. There, because there have been way too many challenges that have been brought to our attention. My other part of my report will be, ive been inquiring about the impact of the resent policing activities and the tenderloin and impact on young people, specifically. I have not received an update on that. Ive asked to agendize that. I was under the impression that it was on the agenda today. Is there any update at all around that item . Right. Thank you. I did work with a couple of osers that deal with young people that come into contact with the system. And antidotally, they were able to share that they have seen a rise of citation with young people for sales. As we know the Diversion Program that we have in San Francisco, the community a he is sesment Referral Center is limited in their jurisdiction where they can provide services. And there have been concerns about the fact that some of the people that have been sited dont return. And there is a challenge in reaching out to them. So obviously there is an impact that i would like to understand a little bit better so that we can analyze and hopefully, contain the impact, the adverse impact that that is happening on the juvenile population. Which i dont know but there have been an increase. I hope that we can have that presentation, soon. Thank you. I believe were trying to get it on december 7. It is. We have participated in the glide program and sergeant renalds is one of the participants. I will reach out. He was describing the National Recognition and i thought, hes in our back yard, lets utilize and maximize, it sounds amazing. I dont know if he was there, i was a little surprised. We have participated. Commissioner walker. Thank you, president elias. I have been reaching out to dpa and the department to go over the dpo list. Run of the d g. O. That im handling is how we respond to hate crime. Its their third bomb set that helps provide services to young folks in our lgbtq xhaountsz. Theyre interested in having a meeting out in the community with somebody in the department and myself to input and sort of weigh in on what they can do to keep their along with social media issue that is really creating a lot of tension, stress and danger in our community. So i think these are really important issues for all of us to be finding shrugs together. Im looking forward to that. Are you referencing the list of all the language issuing dpos. Yes. Yes. The ones that ive been assigned to. I didnt announce but shes in the audience here. Also there is an understanding opportunity speaking of the tenderloin community. I was contacted there is some folks in the community were trying to organ event of chefs in the tenderloin. And they want to make sure that the Police Department is included, im sure that there are some in our rank who consider themselves chefs. Community is interested in helping the restaurants along in the area along with listing up folks who are in the career. I may come back. Thank you for the leadership, i do appreciate that. Commissioner byrne . Thank you, president elias. Last week we had a team meeting. As well as captain aldofer and in regards, i was assigned d g. O. , 04, 05, 06 and 07 which is duty of particular officers of San Francisco Police Department. I can report to the Commission Even before i got there that the calendar deadline has been started. So we, they should get a draft to dpa within 90 days. If im correct, thank you. As regards, the other d g. O. S that are active that i have, d g. O. 5. 1le which is the handler of prisoners and transportation. Zoo there is no deadline but the captain and ms. Ca wood are going to Work Together on that. It is believed both the Police Department and the dp a that we should hold on until the completion of 19 01 on that. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner byrne for your leadership on that and i look forward to utilize your expertise with respect to the immigration d g. O. Yeah, that one, we have sort of put on the back burner at this time. And i believe it was the view that right now, the issue hasnt, the distance does not appear to be a lot of conflict on it. I have to realize that when things are more pressing from both the department and dpa. Thank you, Public Comment. At this time the public is now welcomed to make Public Comment regarding line item number 6. Commission approach the podium or press star3. And president elias there is no Public Comment. Line number 8. 5. 041, meet and confer draft was approved on september 16, 2022 discussion and possible action. Thank you. Fellow commissioners we received 5. 01 back from the meet and confer process. And this is really a big deal. The d g. O. 5. 01 is a critical accomplishment and a clear example of the Police Reforms and how they work and a huge step that reenvisions policing here in San Francisco. The initial were directed our sworn members on how to proceed in Critical Incidents and ultimately to preserve the entity of life and our own very own commissioner benedicto did work on 501 when it was drafted. So huge shout out to them, so thank you for starting that. Todays policy creates with respect to report process. It mandates certain reporting criteria so that we can collect and analyze data to make informed decisions and revisions especially when it comes to what works and what doesnt and the Racial Disparities within our community. I would like to specifically thank a lot of people with respect to 5. 01, we initially i think it was in 2021 when we brought it back and commissioner dejesus worked to ensure that the needs on the the knees on the neck were prohibited. And we were able to expand the use of force incidents in the report so we can get a greater picture of the actual uses of the force. Because prior to this amendment the only types of force that were recorded and track were ones that resulted in injury and or hospitalization which is a narrow scope of use scope that occurs. So we implemented 5. 1, i want to highlight, it went to the Training Division and went to the department and Training Division and in terms of how to implement this policy. Which is very important to me and other commissioners. It does not matter what policy if it does not work and not working it does not mean anything. We were able to go to the drawing board and solicit the feedback to really get a product that is now before you, that really not only is functional and practitioner but that it works. And its go to provide so we can make better informed decisions as we move forward and move forward. I want to send a huge thank you to chief scott who worked closely with me on making these revisions and putting this through. The Administration Bureau and Training Division and the fdo and Training Division. A huge thank you to dp a specifically jenel kaywood, sergeant john, lieutenant mike, lieutenant tom and a. C. La czar as well as the command staff and professional staff who were in these meetings and helped us including roache who really helped us move this policy along and helped us pivot and make the necessary adjustments so that this works with the officer. It was to captain harvey on what is working and what is not and how it translates into training and how these officers are trained to do the policies. So thank you to everyone, i really appreciate it and i think we found some secret policy writers too. But chief will not let me utilize the talent. Im sure you will. With that, im going to turn it over to the chief to make some remarks. You made a lot of remarks that i was going to make. Ill cut my down. It was actually 2020, i didnt want to cut in and it was after the killing of george floyd that really motivated the commission and department and community to make policy revisions on what we believe was a very solid use of force policy. And in addition to everything that commissioner said, i just wanted point out, we were already headed in a good direction with the policy. I believe strongly that the policy implementation in 2016, december 2016. Where we sue increase of force. And the policy saw us get there. Some of the highlights was pro hibis of the choke holds. And a duty to intervene clause in t. Those were significant, now everybody is doing it but at the time, everybody was not doing it. As a matter of fact, we were one of the first departments to really be that ex haas i have on that those types of prohi bysing. Those knew revision, i just want to highlight it reemphasis to intervene. Which was not in the policy and then the section of safeguarding dignity. And it also requires things like having individuals get out and having them lay on the ground. And sometimes sit people on the ground. We want to make sure that were thoughtful and when its necessary that we treat people with dignity and respect and individuals are faced in a better position of recovery and not left on the ground. That was a policy amendment also. One of the things that we saw in this policy, and i hope i have had moving forward, once the changes were made from 2020 and 2022 took us a while to get to the changes. Listen, thats one of the things that i reported on. And my morale a few months ago about our officers and our members want to have a voice. Understanding that the Commission Gets to set policy for the department. But having an input and when the policy was implemented, there was some issues that were raised by our members and that was vetted by our Training Division staff. When that was presented to president elias she listened. And a lot was adopted and these are policy that will move us even further in the right direction. Thank you to the commission for listening. It really makes a difference and it really matters. So with that, this was truly a collaborative endeavor. And with dp a involvement, i keep saying over and over again, that relationship is as good as its been since ive been here. And i want to thank janelle and rest of the her tain who is a bright and great policy as well. I want to thank everybody. I think this moves us even further down the road. It was already a model policy. I think our revisions are sensible, practical will give us everything that you said, accountability and with that well do what we need to do to continue to get better. I said a lot, but thank you for the commissioner and president for listening. I think too chief what need to be recognized is you also, you got a lot of heat for this dgo passing it and i think it speaks involves that it really shows your dedication and commitment to reform. There needs to be a huming shout out to you for your wonger. I know often time its not easy to sit in your chair. We also get comments and criticism why i keep pushing for dpa and department to be in the room, but this is the product of why that is important. This is why ms. Indicate al is vital. Gifl us the feedback so that officers are do their job when theyre out there on the street. I think this is, this is the product, this is what we get when we Work Together and have the important people in the room. So thank you. Thank you again to ms. Kaywood. Thank you, i had them on the back page and i didnt. I think we all owe gratitude to our Community Members who are constantly pushing us to be better. And a lot of what happened to 2015 and 2016 that lead to use of force our revisions major policy revision that commissioner benedicto worked on was listening to the community and i think we, i think we do our best to hear our Community Members and i know sometimes it seems were not moving as fast as people would like but were moving. But that does not come without listening to the people in our community. We know we have a lot of work to go. Last thing i would ask the commission this is the big ask to adopt this policy. And also ask the commission to allow the department until december 8 for full implementation. We want to make sure that we get the training done and roll call training to let our members know what the changes are. And another piece of input from our members so they can actually practice what is in this policy. I would ask that december 8, be that implementation date due to those things that i just said. Thank you, commissioner benedicto. Thank you very much, president elias, thank you very much chief scott. Without, repeating what has been said, i want to echo the gratitude in this final product. I was not yet a commissioner but i was here back when i could annoy you all from the other side. It was a huge fight and lift across the board. And seeing this process, that played out for this revision, its such a dramatic difference, its really night and day. And were often hard on the departmentcious were often push for a lot reforms. But what it recognizing is tremendous progress has been made since this time. And the word that the chief used when it comes to mind, is collaboration, its collaboration between the commission and the department and the department of police accountability. But also between multiple component. The department so often really worked in silo and to see the Training Division to see all the different components Work Together to make this the best policy and to work on this improvement. There is a huge difference from the way this was the last time we were here. Ive talked to a lot of officers and my have same goal. And its the best department. Which was also different in the way it was in 2015 where it was a battle to get certain revisions. There was a lot of community feedback. On our october 12, we disclosed non privileged portions of the negotiations which is one of the first times that that happened so that public was able to see the process play out. And that was also a positive development. And i also want to take a moment to commend an entity that im usually but thing heads with. They bargained in good faith and allowed this d g. O. To move fickly dating back to 2015, that was exact office that went all the way to litigation. Im grateful that leadership of the Police Officers association, bargained and allowed this policy to get where it is much faster. With that, to make a motion to adopt 5. 01 with an affective date of december 8 and thank you very much president elias and chief scott. Thank you and i was remiss, i think commissioner benedicto you brought out two points which reform does Public Safety. As you said, when we reform policy, we see decline and uses of force. Declines and how the department the negative that surrounds. So these are silo, these are things that go hand and hand and without reform, public trust, and Public Safety dont mean anything. So thank you for that and thank you for seth the groundwork. Commissioner walker. Thank you, president elias thank you commissioner benedicto. Im not the newest on the block here and this process, ive watched from afar and it really does, set the example for how we actually have to do reform. It does take everybody participating and caring it forward or it does not happen, no matter the words, no matter how we fight over the drafts et cetera. I just want to reiterate that the process youre all in, that youre were all now engaged in, is really a model for reform. All the reform of this particular general order are heart breaking and serious and in realizing how long this took, and how much resistance at different points there were and the willingness like the chief said, president elias the willingness to come to the table and include everybody in the conversation, we can sit here and fight over words and intention and if the rank and file dont agree, it makes it really difficult. So again, i appreciate the ability to listen and hear and engage with the officers and hear the concerns. And we have a solution here. I second the motion. Thank you. Director henderson. I dont want to repeat anything i just want to make sure that we articulate with the amount of specificity. I know we mentioned fto unit and lieutenant hehan, i didnt hear the name but i want to mention captain harvey and commissioner benedicto was talking to the work done before leading up to initial the work here. But the extensive work from the Bar Association and criminal justice task force. In keeping the legal attention and i didnt want to not intention the other folks in my staff long with jenel kaywood, dana and Sarah Hawkins who also spent a lot of hours in the less than warm bungalow working on all of this. To get us where we are. I wanted to make sure that everybody got credit. I hope its not lost in the public in what is being presented and passed. This is the measurement that we all talk about. And i feel like we dont give it enough attention when we cross the finish line and get it done. Thank you to all the folks and congratulations to all that had a hand and improving Public Safety and Law Enforcement in San Francisco. Thank you, and thank you for mentioning the people that i forgot to mention. I apologies in advance so if there is anyone else. Thats why i went last. I appreciate it. So we have a motion and a second on the floor. Members of the public that would like to make Public Comment regarding line item 8 please step to the podium or press star3 now. Good evening, caller you have two minutes. Speaker my name is susan and im a member of black disparity in your community. I draw your attention to 501 save the escalation. Lays out the possible reason why a person may not be compliant with the officers order. Quote a subject may not be capable of understanding the situation because of mental or hearing impair many, drug interaction or emotional crisis. Communication that is sundaysing relating from physical or physical impairment has been at the heart of many high profile killings by sfpd. Killed did not understand english. To this day, we have no idea whether he knew he encountered Police Department. The officers were not in uniform. They were saying commands which he may not understand. At this claiming that o meal ignored the command shot at him. But its unlikely oneil heard any of the command at all. And let us remember that every black is disparity is as high as ever. 15 times more likely to experience disparity as a white San Franciscoian. Thank you. That is the end of Public Comment. Thank you, roll call. On the motion to adopt d g. O. Yes. Commissioner walker yes. Benedicto. Yes. Commissioner yanez. Yes. Commissioner byrne. Yes. Commission Vice President carterobbehr stone. Yes. And president elias. Yes. I forgot to hear somebody, sam romarian and john crew were not in the room to hand overall of us, as we talk about policy stuff, i want to make sure that we articulated how much work they did as well participating in these robust discussions. Thats it. Line item 9. Discussion and possible action to adopt a resolution authorizing the Police Department to accept and expand a grant of 6 million from the california state of Community Corrections for the fiscal year 2022 california violence intervention and Prevention Program to reduce shootings and homicides reduce residism. Discussion and possible action. Good evening, president elias, Vice President overstone. Im patrick, im the chief Financial Officer for the San Francisco Police Department. Tonight the department is asking the commission to approve an ordinance that would add 3 graph positions to our california violence intervention program. Prevention program. It would amend the salary ordinance for 2023 and 2024 and with the positions it would help support the program and provide Program Oversight and to support grapt activity for the dullingeration of the grant period. If there are any questions the commissioners may have, ill be happy to answer them. I have a quick question, can this go to towards some of the research or some of the training that chief scott sent some sft officers to with respect to adolescent brain and Brain Development especially with youth and how their brain does not develop just because they turn 18 all the way. Is any of the money can it be earmarked for that kind of training or research . I dont believe this can for that. But let us followup. And sf there are joint projects, im happy to work with you in any capacity to expand Public Safety. For your question, well look back to the grant materials and double check on the permisable uses and eligible activities. But ill followup and get some more details on the program and bringing it back to you. Great, i think we should agendize how the grant money is spent with respect to the youth. Thank you. Commissioner yanez . Thank you, president elias, i only question i have, were talking about engaging young people and you know, possibly gearing them or coaching them. And i saw some language around Summer Programming. Im very aware of this is the time when young people come across and have contact with the system. But type of Summer Program activities are the officer involved. There is reference to what the Community Providers are doing and that is what the Community Programmers do, offer programming. But given that there was this request. What are the actual planned activity that the department is going to be engaging in that dont include, enforcement in the tenderloin around drug use . Yes. Very specific program, the engagement that we have, we have several Community Partners that we have collaborated with this program for the activities. The activity that the Community Partners would provide, Life Coaching and Case Management and some Program Incentives to keep participants engaged. For other activities, we have many activities that our engagement that oversees providing out reach with the Community Programs that volve the use, with our Police Activity league and with, with other other internal programs that we have existing that help support activity with that arent directly grant activity but do help support our interactions with youth and to help to help support the program in other ways. So the grant itself does this outside of the oversight and management and implementation of the grant itself does not fund for direct activity or new activities for the department to engage in . Not for that, for this specific grants, its targeted for intervention for gun violence. That may be involved with gun violence. Coaching. So thats most of the service funds, funding is going. These positions will help provide analyst to really give us the data that we need to make sure that were focused on the right people and the right families. The other piece has happened but its not funding through the grant for that. And so the Community Partners are self contractors to the department . Or how does that piece work . Go ahead. They will be theyre collaborative partners within this program. So the grant calls for Program Manager which we have, lilly romero from the department coordinates all of this and the shooting reviews identifying the multi risk and both perpetrators to identifying who needs these services, that is coordinated through the romero which the grant is funding, Program Manager piece. And everything in the community engagement, thats where the coordinator will bring the pieces together. She will be focused that we had to report back. Now to the commission but to the state of california as well. But, other things have to happen as well. We know that the grant that happened, that were not authorizing or endorsing something that will lead to problems or more concerns and criticism. In due of incarceration you know, adding benefit to the community and to our response fpt im go to fully endorse and im going to move that we accept this. Thank you. And what our data shows our issue with gun violence is not teenager. The data shows its from the age of 28 to about 40. And as we know, a lost Time Services donted exist for that segment of that population. So we have a lot of work to do to get this off and running. But that population, is under served when if comes to what were talking about here. We dont, not the juveniles dont commit crime but thats not our problem with gun violence. Thank you, for that clarification, if i can add to that. We have funding streams that dont overlap. And what happens is, similar to Public Health, when young people turn 18, they lose their parents insurance. Often times it happens when young people are engaged in treatment they age out of certain systems and can no longer access treatment. So you have to establish a new Therapeutic Alliance with a new provider and that is the disruption that we do not need. Is these programs are important and its a larger issue that the city needs to tackle. We need stranger leadership at the mega level right. This is progress. And im glad that were head in that direction. Thank you, sir. Thank you. So well stop talking now and let you go. Thank you. Sergeant, that is six million dollars. Paul loves money. And i dont ever get any. I have a motion from commissioner yanez. Second. For members of the public that would like to make Public Comment on line item 9, please approach the podium or press star3. Dwaod evening, caller, you have three minutes. Speaker im a volunteer in the black community. Before you write another check to sfpd, i want you to ask whether the last grant worked . People there are not seeing the impact and profits. This commissions work. There is encourage to the question itself does this work . Who want their police to be affective. Thank you. And thats the end of Public Comment. Thank you, sergeant, roll call. On motion to adopt, commissioner walker how do you vote. Yes. Commissioner walker, yes. Commissioner benedicto. Yes. Commissioner yanez. Yes. Commissioner byrne. Yes. Commissioner byrne is yes. Vice president. Yes. Vice president is yes. And president. Yes. You have six yeses. Line item 10, discussion and possible action to approve the memorandum of understanding recording the investigation of serious use of force and in custody deaths as required by law. Judge walker retired from mou and das office and have agreed upon. Discussion and possible action. So i will open and i will know that director henderson has comments. We have met and there is a draft document. We have not finalized that yet but were working towards a letter of agreement with dpa. In termds of the mou, with the District Attorneys office they were scheduled to meet on monday but that had to be canceled due to the pelosi of this week. So were scheduled for friday. I heard the announcement that we will not meet on the 9th but on the 16th. I department believe that we will have a report with progress. Director henderson, ill let you speak or do you want me . I dont know why that happened all of a sudden. Staimg fright. Yes, i get nervous speaking in public. Since i was not, that was not that funny. Yes, it was. I just wanted to say at the last meeting shall i was out of town my understanding was the commission ordered dp a to coordinate and meet with the Police Department within 45 days. We did meet with them immediately fpt weve expressed every single concern that dpa has had about the situation with officer involved shootings and has put that into the draft option that we turned over both to commission and to the department were optimistic. I do want to make a point of clarification, the issues and concerns are nothing new from dpas perspective and these were all things that we addressed explicitly in a letter that was sent both to the department and to the District Attorneys office and to the Attorney Generals Office over 88 months ago. We are completely satisfied that our positions and our interest and resolving efficiencies that i think are universal. I believe theyre universal have been addressed. And theyve been turned over, our only request and ask, is that the new, understanding get approved and signed either concurrently with whatever m. O. U is going to happen or before an m. O. U is going to be executed either way, i just dont want a composted m. O. U to try to play catch up fm thats it. Thank you. Commissioner benedicto . I think that director anderson, answered a lot of my questions. It sounds like both the department and dpa are now working on their own agreement as was suggested last week and confident that it can be resolved and relatively shorter . I believe so s the chief and his department, brought forward his whole staff immediately, i brought my staff immediately, it was a, hard working meeting that resolved, or erased some of the issues. Everything that we had concerns about was addressed. And as i understand it, meeting with the da and mediator is this friday. Yes, this friday. I know that the dpa issues were significant issues but also issues about docking classification that Vice President brought up. And that was discussed at the mediation on friday . Its going to be this coming friday. Yes. So we were suppose to meet on monday just the two agencies and then the next meet is with the judge but that meeting on monday was canceled so we had to push everything back. I just want to make sure that the issue with the judge will be brought before the d. A. And the judge. Okay. Great, i think the other commissioners have questions but based on what i heard make a motion to not adopt the mou at this time and ask to be handled for november 16th meeting for update and consideration. Thank you, Vice President carteroberstone. Thank you, i just want to confirm that it sounds like the department and dpa decided that dpas issues are going to be addressed in a separate document . Or is it still up for consideration at this friday meeting that the m. O. U may be amended to incorporate dpa . The separate document, that at this point looks like the way that were all, going. Okay, thats helpful. Ink it can work with several documents and ill put in out there now that i think this commission should, you know, wait for all the documents to be finalized before voting on this. If were going to do it in a piece meal way, we need to do it a total solution before we adopt anything and have a chance to review each piece of this. I dont have many questions today. I asked a lot about information sharing at the last meeting about this. And i had a couple of followups on some things you already discussed chief. So one of the Big Questions for me about the document was, you know, it provides more or less you know, realtime evidence sharing between evidence that the d. A. Collects with the department. That was a big question for me. Having that can undermine the perceived independence. So i want today ask you about one piece of this, which is, when there is a criminal investigation of an officer but its not because of Critical Incident and dp a is conducting an administrative investigation into that issue. Generally and folks should correct me if im wrong because im not involved on the investigative side, generally i think there is not a continuous information sharing that we see in this document. So lets say officer is being investigated for criminal conduct and also subject of citizen complaint dpa, you dont see the type of information sharing where we have, the second the department obtains information or logging it into a shared, you know, evidence log and dp a is reviewing it, i think there is substantial delay when the criminal investigation is closed and dp a picks up the admin investigation. I guess, my question there why why we do it one way in that situation but here with a Critical Incident we have, handling it differently from the information sharing perspective. So one of the key reason is when this is agreement with the District Attorneys office required sfp charter investigate crime or the death, if its criminal. And with that, getting to the question that was asked earlier, the chief of police has to make a decision as to what to do with that officer fm its really difficult to make that decision when you have no information. And understanding that, couple of days into the investigation within ten days, we dont have all the answers but based on a policy, we had to make a decision as to what to do with that officer. So when we gave up the right, these covered incidents, without cooperation, particularly at the onset s i had nothing to base my decision on. So thats one thing, im going to get to your question with dpa, and this department has document protocol agreement. M. O. U does not dis tin wish it gets the information one way or other. Subject to whether its confident or privileged. I guess thats what im asking about. Why the department get everything basically instantly . But with other criminal investigations that are not part of Critical Incidents like you said beinger its about a question about whether dp a really needs it or not . And its the same thing internally. When there is a criminal investigation that is not a dpa investigation, the ied investigation team, does not get, well its fire wall. So they get information, because they, admin processes the administrative portion of what happens with that officer. So need to know issue that you raise is going dob discussed in this meeting. So i want you to know that piece. And if we have an object jebsing, we let them know when that discussion is had. Definitely understand that point and weve already raised that, we just didnt meet on it on monday like we had planned. Right, right. Were on a need to know. Exactly, thats exactly right. And isd and ind and that there is no information sharing between the two parts of the department. But it appeared to me that there is a third part of information and im wondering how information is shared with folks that are in that duct of people. There is the parallel investigation. And then there is must be another group of officers in carrying out the criminal investigation of the Critical Incident. Folks who are collecting evidence of the crime scene. Im not sure the extent of it, if theyre interviewing witnesses, or identifying potential witnesses whatever it might be, there is a group of that may assume. Theyre also collecting the sensitive information, and im wondering what protocols if at all, are there about evidence that they gather and of course the investigation. And how that is shared with other parts of the department. Yes, so the the First Responders and stop me if im wrong. The first spopders say you have a critical officer involved shooting, they will try to identify witnesses. They will set up a crime scene and all of those things. Once the scene gets stablelized and if its a tactical, they freeze the scene and wait for the investigators to come. Lets say a witness says ive got to go to work, heres my number. The officer this should try to get a statement from the person. So they do have a role and duty. Dna and whatever case may be. They are part of that investigation and then they process that information, the crime lab for instance. They are not, they are not, they are apart of the das team but by i guess design and necessity, because the da does not have the functions, thats where there has to be some collaboration. Even with the state, we still have our crime teen investigators if its in the city of San Francisco still show up, its hours before we even get a response from the state, we only had two but you know, responses are not immediate. Their role and all of those reports are forwarded to the District Attorney or if its isd for the collateral and thats what everybody gets. Whether theyre dpa or investigators are at stake. So yeah, there is the other component. They have to do their jobs and whatever case may be. Other than that, theyre not a per se the investigative team. Theyre just, right and function that does what they do to help that investigation. If i can add one other thing going back and i know i said this in the last time we met. But the District Attorney. I was going to purpose not going to ask about that. I do remember that very well. But so, to the last thing you said, the fokz that initially securing the crime, i understand that but beyond that is are their folks that have a kind of continuing, do they continuing to work to investigate the Critical Incident . After that in the days and weeks or are the d. A. Handle that on their own after that. Outside of that in the four corners in the mou, the answer would be no. There are cases where if the d. A. Interview the witness, we would like to be there. If they have a reason for us not to be there they assert the privilege and they dont invite us. But the d. A. Has after the crime scene, secure the crime scene evidence collection and processing and things like that. After that, the da kind of they have enough inhouse personnel to do what they need to do without depending on the department. As far as interviews and that type of things. And they can get their own process to relook at evidence. But typically, the way it works is that the crime lab would process the evidence. They can have another entity for that. It would then be possible to have a system that worked the other way. Administrative is handled by dp a . The criminal investigation and parallel investigation is handled by the da. And sfpd would be to secure the crime scene process, the things that we just discussed. And after that, the department could be out of the loop in this hypothetical that i just laid out. The department thats the authority to investigate criminal matters in the city. So its theoretically, the da they can investigate criminal activity or criminal incidents. So i guess theoretically, we would have to give up our authority or you would have a parallel investigation on the same incident. Right, and im just, i ask that because in terms of having a truly independent investigation where the public has true confidence, this would, you know get us out of a situation where we have investigators investigate their own colleagues. And information that they cannot share. That would, it may or may not have other problems but it would, be more independent right . Theoretically can it happen, yes. I think there is a lot more that would have to be discussed. I know this is off the cup conversation but, theoretically, i suppose it could. I think there is a lot more to that that would have to be discussed. I understand. Just last thing not a question, if we talked about last time around and if i can boil down you know, on the information sharing piece, i think for your meeting with the da, the one thing that would i have raised is what we discuss about the need to know basis of whether there is information sharing when there is a legitimate need for it on the department side versus having what we have which is a preassumption. Well the need to right to know conversation will happen. Yeah, i just wanted to underscore that and i know there is a lot to be discussed. Thank you thats everything for me. Thank you. Commissioner byrne, we get a History Lesson again today . What constitution will you be covering tonight. With all due respect, things are in writing are better than things that are not in writing. Thats my point that my learned friend did that we trust you to do it. Im not going to relitigate last week or two weeks ago to me it was better for it to be in writing. That was my mystical point. Chief, youre aware that our vote two weeks ago, was an only advisory vote as we cannot bind you because of the legal issue, youre aware of that. Youre talking about the mou . Yes. Yes. And youve chosen to follow the advise of the commission. Yes. Fine, and again, my learned friend, you understand the point hes making are the points that the District Attorney should be making if the attorney is concerned about the distribution. We on our advisory role, we obviously obviously are concerned about the legitimacy of the investigation involving. Where members of this commission may not be. I would disagree with my learned friend the protection of witnesses that would be the sensitive issue particularly, the example that i think is where there is an officer involved and the officers that have come forward and obviously dont want to make their selves known to the Police Department. Where they would go to the District Attorney, im not a District Attorney would want the Police Department from having. Thats the example that comes to my mind. Those are a lot of example. And those are important issues where the da would have. Those are significant where the Police Officer would want the confidential. To know what was going on. If there is a threat to somebodys safety whether it be from somebody in the outside or outside, those things have to be considered. And thats fairly significant, thats my only point. Thank you. Thank you, it makes sense why we received an email right before the commission, thank you, your line of questioning. Vice president. I want to clarify one thing that commissioner byrne raised. I think my first question i asked you whether you were in agreement that the commission has the authority here to approve that the Department Rather needs to seek the commissions in order to give legal affect and i thought you said yes. But i think you said Something Different in response to commissioner byrnes question. You asked me if the commission by policy had approval of thofrt for the mou, that answer is yes. The however the Department Heads have mou authority. So its i think in our best interest to Work Together and of course im going to follow the Police Commissions directive by charter. The Department Head has the authority to enter into contract for any department in the city. So the mou is to be approved by the Commission Per policy but Department Head still has the authority to do it. I believe that we will workout what the commission has asked. Okay, i appreciate that were going to Work Together with this. I dont think it will be a live issue but its my, its my understanding that the chief cannot enter into this agreement without the commissions approval under 3. 011 because of oufr Charter Authority to set policy for the department. Maybe we will not have to get into a legal debate about how the charter provisions interact. I wanted to put that on our record that our role is not advisory. And i can jump in, this is a answer that has been resolved. Do you have a memo. Sorry, i didnt have a chance to read, it was sent late. We can review the legal issue if it becomes relevant. My current understanding is were not acting on advisory capacity. Commissioner walker. Thats not the memo i got. I think its just for us, you may want to read it. Public comment . I have a motion from commissioner benedicto. We dont need a motion. This will be continued until november 16th. So lets go to Public Comment. For members of the public that would like to make Public Comment online item 10, please approach the podium or press star3. . Fm there ising no Public Comment. Thank you, next item. Item 11, Public Comment on all matters on 13 below, close session, including 12 and whether to hold item 13 in closed session. If you would like to make a comment, approach the podium or press star3. And there is no Public Comment. Line item 12 vote to whether or not to vote item 13 in closed session. Action . Move to go into closed session. Second. On the motion to go closed session. Commission walker. Yes. Commissioner benedicto. Yes. Yanez. Yes. Byrne. Yes. Vice president. Yes. And president elias. Yes. You have six yeses. Yes. Yes. Commissioner. Yes. Yes. Yes. Vice president , yes. And president. Yes. President elias yes. For those wanting to make a Public Comment online 14, press 3 now. There is no public commememememe you know, i remember when i was a teenager, they did i think it was on the grammys, boss scags narrated the San Francisco scene and they did a spot on it and how its evolved and convergence of multi culture and the emergence of gay community, lgbtq, it was not even called that then. So like any good listening back then, i played softball and a friend on the team said, the Fire Department is recruiting women. I took the test in 88 and 89 i got hired. And i always say this, it was like a perfect career, it was like social work, i love that connecting and helping people aspect and physical. So i was like a social worker with an ax basically. And i just thought, this is like, this is it, i hit the jackpot. Part of my story is, i grew up across the street from a fire station and as a young girl, i use today love going in there and would go in there whenever my parents voted, they the old fashion voting machines. Sxifs in awe of the place but i never saw anybody that looked anything like me. It was all men, it was all white men and so, i never knew that i could do that. This was in the 70s. And i worked in several Different Things and i was at the pride parade in 1991. And the chief of the department, she i did give her courtesy card to come in, i remember it to this day, june 30th. The hand and hand together and i was with a friend of mine and fire fighter named anita prattly came up to me and we had a mutual friend and we didnt meet. And she came by the table and as soon as i looked at her, i said hi o to my friend, i could see she was super athletic. And she knew my friend and she said hey, do you want to be a fire fighter, heres an interest card, join us. There was something about her that could roll with the punches and also give a few punches. She would be great and i just knew it. I did give her the courtesy card. It was my greatest achievement. And it was something i saw myself, yeah, i love a good crisis. And im good in crisis and im good on thinking on my feet. And im you know, super fit and physical, maybe i can do this awesome. But just in terms of pride in general, being able to go to pride and be who we are and be who i am, its like the sense of digity and equality and inclusion. I was always incredibly proud to represent the community and to be doing service for the community, because thats what i love doing. Coming to San Francisco for me, was really key because i love the city. The city is so vibrant and diversity is really, its one of its treasures. So being part of a department that represents diversity is huge and so important to me that we welcome everyone. And not just face value, truly to integrate to have diversity, have representation not just on the fire fighter level but all levels in this department, all ranks up and down the chain of command. Its huge and its, stepping in as a woman of color as part of the Lgbtq Community, means more than just myself, right. I represent more than just myself. But as a leader, other people in this department, other people in the community that are looking at me and seeing that there is space for them. And so that is really creating space for everyone. When i first joined the military, it was still under dont ask dont tell. I had to be super cautious about what i was doing. I was still figuring out what i was doing. I joined when i was 19, i knew i was part of the community i was not accepting yet. My first duty station was officer guam and thats where i got to explore who i was. And being under the umbrella of dont ask dont tell, and having a friend being separated because he was gay. It was very rule. Had you to make sure that you were following the rules you needed to do everything you need today do. I was fortunate to be there when dont ask dont tell was repealed. You find people who are making a big deal about it, the next day everybody went to work like nothing happened. We were accepted and nobody made a big deal about it. Work performance was even better because you didnt have to hide something and worry about hiding. The transition from that world into this one is basically the exact same. I was able to just jump in and just you know, not even test the waters. I grew up with firefighters, my uncle and cuss infor a volunteer department in canada. Here its quite different, bigger department, a lot of different people. You know, just working with San Francisco i really enjoy having all the different personalities, background, experiences, im a pro lead rhyme now. Im a year into my probation and im already finished. And i felt like everybody has brought me in and show me what they know. And regardless of my sexuality, my gender, my race, i was 28 when i decided to change my career and go any different direction. Im 35 now just starting out in a whole different field. San francisco has a Large Population of Lgbtq Community in general and our department is reflective on that. The one thing i love about the San Francisco Fire Department, is we do look like the community we serve and were making every strife to reflect that. So even in our out reach, recruitment efforts, were trying to make sure that every Single Person including the Lgbtq Community has an opportunity to become a member of our department. Soz a subpoena officer, its important to make sure that i welcome my crew. That includes every Single Member that is on my apparatus, i feel we can do a better job. My dad was a football coach and he taught me to persevere and be committed and im showing that im doing that. Im very proud to say that i get to start my career off as a fire fighter for the San Francisco Fire Department. And im proud to be who i am, proud to be all the colors that i represent, proud to be, you know, i love being a woman in the department and to feel comfortable with who i am and very secure and excited to come to work. You know, one thing my mom also en grained anything we set our heart to and anything we wanted to do, the only thing stopping us was us. Its my dream to be a Fire Department member and im here, being changed because of who i was and now being able to out and proud of who i am, its, i feel it should mean something. Its important as a San Francisco fire fighter, that we understand the community that we serve. Its important that our department is made up of different genders, different ethnicities, different sexual orientations, because the community that we serve need to reflect the apparatus. Ive seen, ive seen the evolution of this department, ive seen it change through the years. Were in a better place than we were many years ago. I think we continue to evolve. Im really hopeful for this next generation of leaders who do smart, determined, lead with heart and im hopeful for our future for this Department Going forward. Were your department. Were here for you. Were you and that, and i really believe that San Francisco really embodies that. I tell you, it was the greatest decision i ever made. I kept thinking, my gosh if i didnt play softball i wonder if i would have heard about it. Its funny you plan in life and gu to college and you plan your next steps, but the most profound decision nz life, is how you meet people are random. I was meant to be i think and it was such a great fit being that social worker with the ax, thats it. So i see San Francisco and San Francisco leadership and government as a beacon for the entire country. Because we are so up front about what we believe in, were really up front about inclusivity and i know that, others look at us, many look to us. Weve had other departments, contact us in terms of how do you, how do you do this . How do you create a diverse equitable and inclusive workforce . And so, but i would be lying if i said that we dont have any problems in california or in San Francisco or in the department. We are out liars, sure . Are we doing our best again to address those things with implicit bias training . With changing the culture, our department has made huge huge leaps as has the city and i really feel like San Francisco is part of the solution to moving forward in a better way. People are individuals, there are a lot of different types of people in this world and celebrating our differences is what pride is all about. The board of San Francisco waterfront stretches 7 and a half miles and while it seems it will always be there, our waterfront needs us. San francisco faces coastal flooding due to Climate Change with expecting Sea Level Rise up to 7 feet by the year 2100. We also need to strengthen the wateren front gaest urblth quake risk. The Waterfront Resilience Program is leading a city wide effort to adapt the waterfront kaess this unique combination of risks. What is at stake . Small businesses nearby housing open spaces and attractions and initial historic district, mare i time and industrial use, transportation like bart and muni, critical drinking and wastewater utility and Disaster Response facility. Guided by robust Public Engagement process since 2018, the port and city and federal Agency Partners have developed waterfront adaptation strategies for public review and engagement. Adaptation strategies are a combinationf construction projethss and policies to defend San Francisco against flood and earthquake riskbs to create a resilient sustainable equitalb waterfront for the next 100 years. Well need to use different approaches dependling on the unique characteristics of each neighborhood and shoreline. Continuing to defend locations against current and future flooding at the shoreline while defending further inland in other locations to create space for our expecting future fwluding. The port is committed to insure adaptation strategy create students for San Francisco historically underserved communities. We want residents to engage in Decision Making and benefit directly. We have a once in a generation chance to defend waterfront jobs, housing and public spaces from floods and earthquakes and reiman jts with more pub luck open space, better access improved mobility somewhere enhanced ecology. Join the port of San Francisco and let your voice be heard on the future of our waterfront. Learn more at sfport. Com wrp. Lets begin. Well start off with 90 second Opening Statement in order. Welcome, candidates and thank you for participating. Introduce yourself. Tell us which neighborhood you live in and why you are running for district 6 supervisor. I will start with ms. Billie cooper. Hi. Everyone im ms. Billie cooper. Im a 53 year old [inaudible] use the