Transcripts For SFGTV Joint LAFCo - Public Utilities Commission 92515 20150928

That could push back whats the long state for cleanpowersf. I know there are members of the public who have concerns about that, but before we dive in, i just want to acknowledge that we have made tremendous progress on cleanpowersf this year. Weve actually had an rfp that successfully drew in many respondents. We didnt have that many respondents the last time we issued and rfp and indicated some really good choices to move forward on. I want to move forward and i believe this is shared by all the commissioners here. We all want to move forward as quickly as possible. So today, we really want to see how given the circumstances that we are operating under how we can do that and how we can stay as close to our timeline as possible. The thing that is looming more quickly before us is the approval of the contracts now that weve had a successful response to the request for proposals, and i would like to make sure that we can actually sign those and do whatever we need to do in terms of approval for the board of supervisors as quickly before we get to the new year. Its always been in place that the approval of the contracts was going to be that marker to show that we were actually very very serious about moving forward with our clean power program. So, i like forward to hearing the presentation today and i want to thank the commissioners for being here and i will pass it over as well, thank you. Good afternoon and thank you chair avalos for the opportunity to partner this Commission Meeting. I would like to thank puc who have worked to launch the cca program. We have been getting updates and progress about every Commission Meeting. Finally i want to thank your staff at lafco and the advocates in the room. Their contributions have helped San Francisco puc and the city to get to the pivotal point. We are looking forward to further collaboration especially as we look to maximize early sign ups for the clean power San Francisco. At our puc Commission Meeting a few days ago we received a preview of the presentation that staff will present today. And it really is great. To briefly summarize we are excited about the progress and i hope all of you will be as well. We are developing a Business Plan and in depth risk analysis that will bereaved by an independent third party. We have received more bids than we possibly thought. Which will only help us go forward in a very comparative and affordable program. Finally the pucs Communication Team which is led by a very talented resourceful tyrone june to help to get our City Residents and businesses excited about cleanpowersf. The same team has launched the most innovative and creative campaigns that have garnered local, state and national recognition. Once again on behalf of the entire San Francisco puc commission i look forward to launch cleanpowersf and Bring Clean Energy to San Francisco as quickly as possible. Very good, thank you, commissioner cane any other comments . Thank you. Now is time for Public Comment. Public speaker clean power, i think with all the energy is the safety for the user. Maybe you the clean power with computer and user. Thank you. Any other member of the public who would like to comment . Seeing none, well close Public Comment on item no. 3. Madam clerk, clerk, please call the next item. City clerk item 4. Cleanpowersf activities report. Status update on cleanpowersf program. Power purchasing activities and timeline for program launch. B. Status update on proceedings at the Public Utilities commission. C. Status update on state legislation. D. Cleanpowersf enrollment and outreach plans. Good afternoon. Im general manager harlem. Weve made tremendous progress in the last several months an we are going to share the progress we have made around our outreach and engagement and the rfo. Its really amazing to anticipate that we would receive ten offerings. Now we have 52. That is really outstanding. I think that is really going to help offer us a very competitive product. I will say it will help to encourage others to sign up. I have signed up and i know some of the commissioners have signed up and in the process of signing up. I think we are going to be asking for advocates and people to come up to testify to make sure they sign up or commit to help us sign others as well. I think we have a great plan and im excited to implement it. So with that, i would like to turn it over to barbara hale to give the formal presentation. Thank you, mr. Kelly. Thank you, barbara hale. I have a brief presentation to go through and through the enrollment and outreach program. As mr. Kelly mentioned we have been making some progress. Mostly on our supply efforts. The request for offer results are under evaluation. Well go over that and talk about our implementation scheduling and key milestones before we get into the outreach and enrollment. We cant say too often. We are signing folks on our website cleanpowersf. Org. We have 200 people enrolled and we are happy to see the uptake in the sign ups. As a reminder, the program objectives, we are leading with affordable and Reliable Service. Afford abltd affordability is the key for us. We are bringing in businesses and we are going to take the contribution to pay for that new supply and reinvest in new infrastructure creating local jobs in San Francisco through Energy Efficiency and renewables programming. A quick update on the regulatory front first. Weve seen some changes in pg e rates. Its one of the many times that pg e changed its rates. This year it was a little more interesting in that we saw a decrease in the degeneration of component and decrease in the exit charge, the pcia and different cost and applies to Community Choice aggregation for customers. On net for us, that means the ceiling rate that we have been charging our program at. That ceiling rate has come down by 10 . Squeezing the margins a little bit but its important for us as we develop the program to be vigilant on what the competitive rate is. We are just reporting out to you on what we see and the changes. Those changes will go into effect under the c puc schedule in january. Pg e is also moving forward with their green tariff option with the california puc staff have made a recommendation to the commission to approve pg es request with some modifications. We are happy to see some of the modifications they are very responsive at the position of the c puc to make sure consumers can compare the program, c puc, options on an even footing so consumers will see on their bills when they are participate negative our program that pcia charge, for example, if they choose to participate in pg es green Tariffs Program they will also see the pcia charge on that bill. It will be easier, more of an apples to apples comparison if you will. We were happy to see that the c puc staff, california puc staff is proposeing the modifications for the transparency of the program. They are expected to have that before the commission for a vote late october early november. On sb 350, one of the biggest actions our Legislature Took this year. It was senate bill 350. Portfolio standard obligations for the folks who serve the companies and Public Utilities will now be required to have 50 of their retail sales be from california compliant renewable source of power be served from california compliant sources by 2030. That is a new target. 50 new year, 2030. Sort of amping up the emphasis on renewables. Getting california cleaner and cleaner and the next steps to address Climate Change. We were happy in our efforts combined with other community chose aggregation program. Moving along. With the supply efforts. As a hypodermic needler we have the supply that we are procuring for. Two products for our customers. Our default proposal for basic pg es basic service. It will be 33 50 bundled renewable content. Pg es last state certified report said 27 of their power comes from california qualified renewable resources. We were also out in the market procuring for our second product, our 100 renewable product. Our premium product and thats the product that will compete against pg es green tariff options. Again, it will be the same service, but cleaner energy. The products that we went out into the market to request provide for three different types of supply for us. The first which we are referring to is bid option 1, refirmed and shaped energy, shaped renewables and convention energy. We ask to bid in a price and supply profile over the year that matches what we project to be our customer demand forecast over the year. We also ask for just plain Renewable Energy bids, bid option two that provides firmed and shaped energy and Renewable Energy as well so those developing Renewable Energy can bid that. Then we have the third bid option Resource Adequacy capacity that all electricity are required to provide for to ensure Reliable Service on the grid. So lets dig a little bit deeper. We received six bids under option one. We received more bids than we anticipated. We received six bids and short listing three firms. We that had oral interviews monday and the Evaluation Team is continuing to work through those particular bids. Those bids were to provide approximately 300 gig watt hours under the early portion of the program and ramp up to 40 gig watt hours for the 40year term of the contract. To put that in context it would be 6,000 gig watt hours give or take. Onto option 2, the Renewable Energy. Thats where we god got 52 bids. Its a very good problem to have. Lots of folks interested in selling to us and participating as a provider to cleanpowersf program. Thats a mix of both operating renewable projects and projects that are underdevelopment. They are all located in california and some are located in the bay area and by bay area i mean the nine bay area counties. These are counties that touch the bay. So we are narrowing this pool of this pool of 52, a bit unwieldy to a more manageable list for negotiation. Thats the process we are under going now. For the Resource Adequacy product, we have received six bids. All of these bids im happy to report are quite cost competitive. We are very pleased to see what the cost are shaping up to be as far as the supply. Supply is the largest portion. Its a huge cost driver for the program. When we talk about being able to provide an affordable probable for city san franciscans, a key is energy supply. We think thats achievable getting an Affordable Energy supply together. How are we figuring out which of these large volume of bids we are going to talk with further. We are going to screen them through this. We are in an active process through this reevaluation criteria. What are the qualifications and experience, the total cost and bid value to us. Are the projects that are being proposed viable because we dont want to hitch our cart to a dying pony. We have resource location and sort of compatibility with our overall portfolio that we are building as a final criteria. This notion negotiation we are going through will take some time, we are in standard contract terms that we public with the bid we are working through those with the City Attorneys now. We are going through Due Diligence process that is also taking some time. That we have such a much higher volume than we had anticipated is really part of the challenge which as i say is a good challenge. Part of the challenge we are facing right now. Some of the bids that are quite attractive are coming in at annual payments greater than 5 million which is the authority caps that we have under the procurement ordinance and some over 10 million Charter Authority that we have. So we now anticipate that we will be coming back to the board of supervisors for approval of some of these contracts, not all of them the procurement ordinance gave us some Additional Authority delegated to the general manager and commissioner some authority where we maybe able to sign some contracts and now the bids that are in well have to come to the board for additional action. Thats going to take some additional time. Which brings us to the schedule. We had hoped to be at our commission on october 13th with the risk analysis and the supply contracts. We now think as we go through the volume of bids as we look at a more rigorous Risk Assessment process. I know we talked about it originally and scheduled it as a Risk Assessment, now its grown into a more full Business Plan as to what presented to our commission on the publically owned utility function. So we are looking at some delays in the schedule associated with review at the board and with ensuring we provide our commission with adequate assessment of the risk before asking for them to authorize the general manager to sign any contracts. We are still looking at swift but smart movements forward in launching this program. But we are unfortunately looking at about a 6week delay in when we expect the launch date to occur. Having said that, we are looking at ways to creatively dual track some of the activities. For example we had previously committed to providing the Risk Assessment and contract authorization action at the board at our commission simultaneously, now we are talking with the general manager whether we should bring the short list of the supply contractors to the commission and seek conditional authorization so that with the conditions being things like making sure we complete the Business Plan Risk Assessment work that the commission is looking for. With that conditional authorization then those contracts could move forward in the negotiation process and to get to the board quicker than if we waited to perform these tasks sequentially. Those are the things that we may do to keep things moving swiftly and not get too far from launch from spring of 2016. We are talking that over with our general manager and we are looking to the Business Plan of the commission in the November December timeframe. Make sure the commission is comfortable in october with the Business Plan by perhaps reviewing the outline of it before we present the full Business Plan and the November December timeframe. So thats the meat in my presentation. I will turn it to outreach and enrollment when you are ready for me to step aside. Supervisor john avalos thank you, while you are here i would like to ask you a couple questions. My colleagues will have the same ones. Most of all im interested in seeing exactly what kind of delay we will have and see if we can still move forward aggressively on things now and have some contracts and certainty around that as soon as possible. Supervisor david campos thank you. Im still trying to understand what happened. You said how many weeks is the delay . At this point we are guesstimating about 6 or so weeks. When we initially put the schedule together we put that schedule together assuming there would be no need for board of supervisors action. That has changed. When we initially put the schedule together we were envisioning a Risk Assessment. We are now envisioning a more rigorous Business Plan and Third Party Review of that Business Plan. So that will add some time as well. So those are the factors, the primary factors that have changed. Of course the volume of the bid in and of itself. This has been a very aggressive bid process we opened solicitation august 7th. We published our short list. Thats a very aggressive schedule originally. Weve managed to stay on track so far with that, but just to volume of bids that we are evaluating is a factor in the delay as well. When you say 6 weeks or so, does that mean it could be longer than 6 weeks . Yes, and it also means it could be shorter than 6 weeks. Do you have the sense of the longest period . Not as im here today but a it could be sent to the general manager. One of the challenges is that some of the proposals companies we dont know exactly if they meet all the city requirements. So thats Something Else we need to look at about compliance. So we just need to make sure, that is something that we dont really know. I know there is some issue about the tax issue. Yes, limited Liability Corporations and how we dont do business with them anymore. Was that addressed in the rfp that went out . Compliance with city rules was addressed yes. Okay, so first of all i just want to understand what the parameters are. Could it be 12 weeks . Sure it could be, i think its unlikely, considerably unlikely for it to be 12 weeks. I am pretty worried and what i dont understand is from the very beginning the Lafco Commission certainly has been very cleared that we are prepared to expedite whatever approval is needed at the board of supervisors. I dont understand why we did not anticipate the fact that we are seeing there is additional approvals needed. Why wasnt that considered before . I think when we set up the procurement ordinance we went up for as much delegation as we could. We understand that we cant get the 10 million cap delegated because its a charter requirement and weve come up against the 10 million cap. Im sure that if you try to work with the members of the board of supervisors that we can figure out how to expedite that. But why is it that we did not anticipate that a Business Plan would be needed . I mean, it seems to me, i dont understand why its so late into the process we realize that somehow we need a Business Plan. Wouldnt that be something you think about from the very beginning . We certainly thought about the Business Plan needs at the beginning. We didnt think about the public presentation of the plan. I think the amount of rigor that comes with that is different than just an internal guidance document for myself and the staff. I think the anticipated need for understanding the risk was built into the original schedule. Going beyond that is the change that we are talking about here. You talked about the risk analysis led to a sense that you needed to do a Business Plan for indicators that you saw that told you that you needed a more thorough analysis. I didnt mean to say that it was particularly what we saw in the Risk Assessment but the desire on the part of the agency to have a full Business Plan as an as smarter step to take. According to commissioner campos comments, i would concur with his comments that this has come to us very late in the game about having a Business Plan needed. Had you indicated to show that we needed to do a Business Plan, thats why i just asked about that didnt seem to be told to me now. Im confused why what the change is all about. Supervisor david campos in my point i would hope that there is rigorous analysis with respect to whether you have to send something publically or not. It seems like a shifting target here and i dont understand it. But, once again, you know, the points that the advocates sierra club and others are raising are very important points. You know, one of the things that i wonder and this is a question for lafco staff is, you know, it seems that we went down a process that didnt anticipate certain things. Didnt anticipate the Business Plan, didnt anticipate that additional approvals from the board would be needed. Is there Something Else that we are not anticipating that the sf puc is anticipating that could provide delays. It seems that something new comes up . Jason fried for lafco. The contracts, maybe they werent anticipating them being higher than the threshold needed for board approval. Im not concerned about that particular aspect. The board has shown they can quickly move items through when there is a time sensitive matter. I dont think that would cause much of any delays tht in the process. Im okay with that. As far as the process, i think it maybe well worth to look into dual contracts that the puc has for the enterprise working on a Business Plan for about plan operation at least a year if not longer. So perhaps there is a way of the continuing to move the Program Forward many i think some of the things that would be in your Business Plan you need to sign contracts for. You have to sign contracts and you know what that energy is you put that into a Business Plan while you are also pushing forward with the program. That maybe a possible way to try to figure out to find a solution without causing long delays. If there needs to be board approval, there need to be board approval and going into that ahead of time, there may be a 30day rule that can quickly get stuff done in a way to keep this Program Moving Forward without there being any delay. What im looking for is delay in launch and we can potentially cut a lot of that time out if we do dual track it. One final question that i have and my point on this is the charter requirements around contract approval have been in existence for years. So, i would imagine that something that every agency takes into account as they are thinking about approval from the board of supervisors and if you are not, then maybe you should start thinking about that. But, a question that i have is does that mean that spring 2016 is no longer the targeted launching date . No, i said in my presentation that we are still aiming for spring 2016. So just to be clear on that. And i did mention as well that assumes that we are dual tracking some of these activities that mr. Fried just emphasized. The Business Plan activities, the board approval activities, dual track. Can i add something to that, just going to the board is about 4 weeks. If we can get the 30day rule waved. So just by going to the board is 4 weeks. So, i just want to put it out there, that and its a good thing to have as many bids to take advantage of these good prices. Is there any way that we can move the contracts that arent going to need board approval by the Public Utilities commission so we can get those and double track with the board of supervisors. That will show me that we are moving the mark. Yes , the gentlemen and i and the director are looking at that option as well whether we can segment out and whether we need the board of supervisors approval from what doesnt. That depends on what the ultimate package looks like. The portfolio of supplies is going to be a mix of contracts to work or more that need to work together. Thats part of the consideration. Supervisor david campos the only point that i will make is i dont have a lot confidence that we are going to meet any of the dates that we are proposing out there. We havent met them so far and i dont see how you can stick to a time line of spring 2016 if you are saying you are going to have a 6week delay maybe as much as 12 weeks. I dont know. I think we are playing it into pg es hands. I think its very unfortunate. I mean, i think that we at the board need to figure out where we go from here, but this is a pretty significant change. Its very disappointing. I understand. I would ask the schedule be put up on the screen. Sf govtv, and you can see there what our original dates were and the dates that we missed and the dates we didnt. I would like to emphasize on part of behalf of my staff who have been working very hard to meet these dates is that many of these dates were met. Thats not to say that we are not meeting these more recent dates isnt a problem, its a disappointment, i share that sentiment, but i do want to acknowledge the hard work of my staff who meets the many dates that have been met. Supervisor john avalos thank you, i do appreciate that. I do acknowledge that staff is working very aggressively. We just want to make sure that we continue with that and if we have to make modifications to hit our markers earlier than what we are seeing, lets do that. I would conyoure that and try to agree on an aggressive timeline is appreciated. I think it is good news that we have received so many bids and part of whats holding us up is the 10 million threshold and well have more contracts and be able to provide more Renewable Power. I would love to see as soon as possible a day to fill in and there are timelines that should be added here and the contract to what date is and if those could be approved and maybe one line item for sf puc and board approval and another line item for a realistic date if possible for the plan to complete so we can all be on the same page and track accordingly. I would also like to invite our new cfo sandler to respond to this and the need that you see from a financial perspective for those efforts and really maybe a little bit of a reality check from a financial perspective on how quickly that can get done. I think we are all on the same page that we want this to launch as quickly as possible. Eric sandler chief Financial Officer at sf puc. As you have a long term business you have a Business Plan which include your Business Strategies and risk analysis and so you know whether you are exposeing the rest of the power enterprise to risk and if you are what they are. Recently the power enterprise entered into with bond holders that have an installation between between the power enterprise financials and cca. So its important for bond holders from power enterprise to understand what the risk are of the cca and what they might contribute to the underlying power and enterprise. So your sense is that risk analysis and assessment we need to get a more complete Business Plan in place rather than just that Risk Assessment as it relates to the cca. You need to clearly identify what the business is and what the approach is and with a what the structure is and do an analysis based on that clearly defined enterprise. Is there timing on that would be, how long would that take . I think the timing on it, we are working on the timing of that. But we have a contract with the Financial Management to review that Business Plan and risk analysis needs to be completed. Thank you. Supervisor john avalos commissioner breed. Supervisor london breed thank you. I too am really disappointed to hear about this delay. I think im still a little confused as to why with a draft Business Plan in place we cant continue to move the plan forward. We board process and the ability to move this forward, im willing to move the 30 days to move this quicker. With the market changing so quickly, we need to figure out what is the best process so we dont continue to run up against this. Part of the legislation i know that we passed gave the puc certain powers to enter into contracts and to move this Program Forward as quickly as possible but to also be competitive in this market and now we have another delay. From my perspective, are we looking at the anticipated delays, are we looking at the draft plans and making changes accordingly. I dont understand why we cant move this process forward, why we are continuing to go through whatever approvals process, the Business Plan and the fact that an outside contractor has to review the Business Plan. We have a draft Business Plan in place. So its going to be the guidelines that we are going to follow anyway. From my perspective, an example of how the city works, i dont necessarily support this, but i know that oftentimes the board of supervisors we approve contracts, weve approved grant applications after they have been submitted, after the process was already in some cases completed. So i guess from my perspective, i appreciate that puc has been working really hard to get this program launched. The frustration is that we are telling folks who really want to see this program implemented, sign up now, its going to start in the spring. Its going to be ready, we are ready and now another delay another bureaucratic delay. I want to make sure that we try and look at whats anticipated so that we can deal with that, but i just dont see there is any reason not to continue to move faster in trying to meet these deadlines while we are simultaneously dealing with the plan and the board of supervisors process to get approval. Mr. Kelly or someone from the puc can help me to understand why this cant continue to move in this direction. Supervisor john avalos mr. Kelly is this so again instead of having the 10, we have 52. We are going to have to go through some rigor. Thats one. As you have 10 projects to evaluate, now you have 52 its going to take a little longer because we have to do our Due Diligence. Thats one. The second is that we move forward with the board to put legislation that we thought was necessary for that we can save time when we get these offers so we can move quickly. Looking at what we receive, we realizes that its over 10 million and we have to go to the board anyway. So, we would definitely want to work with london, the board, to see how we can speed it up. I would love for to you give me the authority the contract to sign over 10 million. I would love that. Im willing to work with you. Its just that we assumed moving through the schedule that we werent going to get contracts. We thought we would get contracts under 10 million. We have so the great opportunities for great pricing, but its over 10 million. So, im saying just that alone is 4 weeks. We are talking about 6 weeks. Supervisor john avalos just a question on that. If we unexpectly got 10 Million Contracts. What is it about them that is so enticing. Is it clearly looking different from what we provide. If you can give me an understanding of what that means, that would be great to hear because i think our program is kind of shifting its scope because of the size of these contracts. First off, barbara hale, general manager, i think i set folks off on a misperception. Its not that i didnt anticipate a 10 Million Contract offering. Its my understanding from the conversations that we had with the City Attorneys at the time that we were putting to the a procurement ordinance that the 10 million threshold couldnt be waved. Setting that aside, we do have attractive bids in the bid option one category in particular where our authority under the procurement ordinance allows us to sign standard contracts, eei and wspp contracts that are referenced in the procurement ordinance for conventional and Renewable Power. So in that category, in the procurement ordinance of conventional power we do not have that much authority for procuring strictly Renewable Power. That is the difference wechlt we have more lateral contracts. Not the convention component. The legislation we approved earlier . That was the component. We didnt anticipate we would need that option for nonrenewable side . We didnt build that in. It was just about renewables in . We expected the mix of conventional and Renewable Power offer we would get but we have greater reliance on the combination of conventional and renewable bids of in terms of the volume of purchases we would make from that type of product and because of that higher volume, we are seeing a higher overall cost for that product. Now, the benefit of that product is its firmed and shaped at a set price. When we compared the firmed and shaped bids for the renewable and convention able, the price is very attractive to choose that combination as opposed to just the standalone. Even when you buy the standalone you have to buy the conventional power to affirm it. Its just a smarter business step for us to take to procure more of that combined conventional and Renewable Power product than just the standalone Renewable Power product. Its really driven by the fact that we are trying to lead with affordability. So we are choosing the most affordable, we are trying to put together for the city the most affordable supply for a bid that will result in exceeding that 10 million cap. Did you have all of your statements . Supervisor london breed i just had two clarifying questions. If you can give me a clear understanding of the process and the process as to how it plays on the 6 weeks delay in terms of the boards process for approvals, and also clarity around the Business Plan and how that plays a role in the delay because im hearing that they are problematic, but im not understanding how they are problematic . We had initially anticipated bringing to our commission both the proposed contracts and the Business Plan together, and then we would ask our commission to authorize Going Forward with the contracts based on their full knowledge of the Business Plan implications. Can i ask a question about that . Yes. For that particular piece, why would it not be okay to provide a draft Business Plan rather than an approved Business Plan to get that process going. Thats exactly where we are going now is recognizing that the contract approval for the process is taking longer because we need to have board approval. We are proposing to break those pieces apart and send the contract piece to the board as soon as we can. Get the general manager authority from our commission to send those contracts to the board with commission to include nobody signs the contract until the affordability objective and thereby financial viability for the contract. So things like that so its not vetted, so the board understand the issues identified will be drawn to before they are signed and that way we are processing at the same time and not sequentially which would take longer other. So the delays . That would take a longer delay. If we were going to the commission and now to the board we would go to the Board Commission and it would take 30 days. My understanding in the process of getting it signed is still 30 days even if we were to fast track everything. City attorneys office. I think i understand the question from the timing perspective. It is possible to go to the commission and ask the commission to authorize you to seek board approval for contract authorization for a charter 9. 118 approval of a contract over 10 million. You have to have enough of the description of the contract that you are seeking approval of. So you are still going to have to finish the Due Diligence on the proposals for the contract and decide which ones you want to award in order to describe that to the board in order for them to authorize you to enter into it even fits conditional. The board can certainly do that. The challenge for all of suspect going to be as we know going into the season because of the holidays. We have to sit down with staff and carefully Schedule Commission and Board Committee meetings so we can move those things as quickly as possible for that approval cycle. But there is no reason that you cant have conditional approval from the board for describing what their conditionally approving. They to wouldnt have to come back to us after that . That would be the goal. They would have to come back to you on the final 30day rate but that would be the process. You wouldnt have to have a hearing, just wave the 30 days. Supervisor john avalos commissioner, any other questions . Supervisor london breed i will come back to you. Edwin lindo first i would like to thank the staff for the work they have put into this. I know its a lot and we say the presentations and pretty pictures but i do appreciate it quite a bit. I have an if you questions. The first is i believe i have a general understanding of why we are now approaching or deciding to go into the process of procuring 10 or more contracts because of the potential cost savings in the future. Im assuming because its much larger and purchasing a large volume and the discount. My question to that point is do we have any idea how much we are saving . We are able to look at the indicative pricing we got in the bid and compare that to market pricing. So we are able to do that math and it is looking attractive. Its looking very competitive with the market. Part of whats attractive about that is as you look out ahead over the 2year contract terms, the pricing we are seeing is stable and the prices you achieve through the contracts is a stable price that we can pass on to our customers instead of seeing the kinds of changes and rates over the year that pg e customers typically see. Over all we will save more because we were purchasing greater volume . Yes. I think thats a fair statement and that is again its key to our efforts to lead with affordability. So explaining that if we take that as is which would require a vote by the board of supervisors. The other delay we are seeing is brought to us by the proposed Business Plan. Supervisor breed mentioned that we have a draft Business Plan. Im curious what exactly are we looking for in this additional Business Plan that hasnt been sought or hasnt been found that the cfo and i appreciate the fact that you are newly appointed to this post or newly hired, but why wasnt this discussed before . So, im wondering what are we looking for that we didnt find or we didnt look for before . So i think its a matter of degrees of detail. As president breed mentioned we have a plan for affordability and we talk about green power in that Business Plan and now we are diving deeper into the Business Plan for cleanpowersf looking out ahead 5 years, looking out ahead at growing the program from the 30 mega watt program that it is today to a 400 mega watt program that really putting it in a city context by revenue sort of dwarfs anything else we are doing as i understand it. Im looking at our costello frederick cfo to make sure we are not doing that its putting it in that context and looking at it from that drilling down a little bit deeper on the risk that are involved we identified Something Like 40 risk when we went through our Business Plan through our pou, we identified 1520 for the Business Plan assessment for the community chose choice aggregation program. Its not a familiar exercise but an exercise that we need. I would recommend you set a time line. It seems there is a time where the board of supervisors can vote on the contracted approvals. The Business Plan is a term from the puc and i would like to at least as a commission or joint commission we would like to see in whatever we agree to and perhaps its 6 weeks or less for a Business Plan to be completed because if its the Business Plan thats holding us up, then i would also be disappointed. Supervisor john avalos thank you. I like the idea of putting out a deadline but we have no control the puc has position to that position. I understand. Mr. Kelly . Harlin kelly, general manager. We are committed and will work with lafco to try to understand the new process that we have and look at how we can do things concurrently instead of backtoback. So we are trying to be creative in saying that given we have this opportunity but we have to go to the board to take advantage of it, i think its definitely worth the delay. So thats one component. Meanwhile well be working on not a Risk Assessment which we thought we were going to do but we are going to do the Business Plan and well work with lafco just to show exactly what we need and is necessary and so, weve just been talking about how we can expedite this and so, thats why we are a saying about 6 weeks total. Just look at the board process which is like 4 weeks. We said two extra weeks, so that we can do everything and give us some time. I dont know if you can shorten going to the board and giving us approval then in 4 weeks we definitely want to look at that. I just hate to say, we are going to the board in 2 weeks and thats impossible. So, i think we just, we want to move this as quickly as possible. We have some great rates. We want to jump on them. We are doing Everything Possible to take advantage of it. So i will be happy to meet with london, and lafco staff to work on how we can expedite given that we have this great opportunity to take advantage of it. Supervisor john avalos commissioner lindo, any questions . Commissioner crews . Vice chair cynthia crews i would like to thank lafco and puc staff for bringing this forward. I echo a lot of concerns that other commissioners have that we are seeing some delays and in my role as representing the public, i want to make sure that i echo their concerns and there is a really around competitiveness in the marketplace. Are we going to lose the Competitive Edge by delaying things until the pg e Green Tariff Program is launched. Then i want to ask a couple in the lead questions for mr. Sandler. What is the risk assessing organization of the puc . Do you have an internal audit . We have an audit internal controls group which is with Enterprise Risk Management very robust organization. Okay, and then within that, do you have, do you see the long range plans as well as the on going risk analysis . I assume you do risk analysis annually. Yes. What is the program like, is it flooded into an existing risk analysis for cleanpowersf or is it something we want to do for the new Business Plan . So we have implemented recently in the last several years a more comprehensive Enterprise Risk Management program and we initially applied it to our Business Services unit and recently, or i think in the last year rolled it out to the power enterprise generally and when we looked at moving it forward with more concrete cleanpowersf under the Program Structure we saw the need to apply this discipline that we have internally to the cleanpowersf program specifically. Okay, this was a new assessment . Yes. Okay. What would be the down side of taking the normal risk assessing that you do over, you know, for your audit and controls group and doing that after cleanpowersf has launched . I think that the key risk so the program as currently envisioned whereby we provide Clean Air Power at a price below pg e, it represents a different set of risks. The prior version of the program which was charge the cost of service. So you need to ensure that you are going to still deliver a portfolio of resources that can result in rates that are lorena lower than pg e rates. Thats the difference in the program construct. It isnt part of the regular management of the enterprise. Okay. Then how does that Risk Assessment and Business Plan fit into the existing timeline that we have from the sales . So, as i think as we sit down and go over the board, we are going to do a lot of things concurrent. So we need to see what that impact is and again, i said, based off of the initial conversations as going through the board process is a must. We added 2 weeks so we can get everything tidied up. Again, im committed to working with the board and lafco staff to readjust the schedule, but we are going to move as quickly on the Business Plan. I think our plan was to go to the commission and give an outline of what the plan will entail like we did on the power enterprise. We went through a series of workshops and but not have a complete document so that they feel comfortable moving forward. So we are committed in doing that. Is october 13th, in red . That was the original and so i think the original was september 29th. If i may, we indicated we would bring the Risk Assessment and the contracts to our commission together on october 13th. Now, we are talking about bringing potentially the contracts with conditional approval and and outline of a Business Plan as opposed to just a Risk Assessment component on october 13th. Okay. Do you think that it would be possible to get a more, i guess an updated timeline with the extra steps added in and the new projected dates . Yes. Thats what we are working on. Thats why im saying we need to sit down with the board because we need to figure out what we can possibly do. I completely understand and while i am not on the board, i do have members of the public that want to have me ask the questions for them. So i want to make sure im doing my Due Diligence in the role of the commission. Thank you. Commissioner . A concerned voice. This is a legitimate concern about the timeline with the great San Francisco giants. This could be our year. But we waited 107 years for this. I want to echo as critical this is the year that cleanpowersf has to move forward. So i understand the measures being taken place. I appreciate the Due Diligence and the great exertion of the sf puc staff. I also want to as the ratepayer advocate is to encourage people to sign up. Sign up now. Lets get registered because i think this will come up successfully. Its important that we are ready. As this becomes a viable enterprise. It will not affect their bottom line but they can feel good where the power is coming from. I want to reiterate the sense of urgency that everybody has said before. If i heard you correctly, ms. Hale, it could be sooner than 6 weeks. I know we are managing expectations here. I want to thank you for your hard work. Supervisor john avalos thank you. Any other comments . Okay. We are going to talk about outreach and enrollment next. I dont know about you but im excited and to get people signed up about cleanpowersf. I have a presentation to give you a snapshot as to what we have planned as to enrollment strategy. First im going to start off with our website which is online right now. Cleanpowersf. Org. If you are watching this on tv you can start typing and start signing up for cleaner energy. I wanted to preview a video which talks about what we are trying to do here. [video] power, its all around us t sun, the wind, the waves. Its power that can light our homes and drive businesses and protecting natural resources. Clean powersf will provide clean energy. How will it work . Right now power is provided by pg e with nonrenewable sources. That power comes to you with pg e lines. Cleanpowersf your energy will be generated by cleaner and more Renewable Services and will have the same services as pg e. Cleanpowersf. Same service, cleaner energy. So, with that, i will launch directly into our update on enrollment and outreach strategy. The first thing we want to do is remind everyone is that this is for everyone. It doesnt matter if you are in the marina, mission district, castro, bayview. We want you to sign up for cleanpowersf because this is the way we are going to bring a clean revolution to the city. We are going to do this as barbara has talked about it by offering really great pages to people in the city. The first is our super green option which is a 100 renewable product that people can pay a premium price for for a premium product. We have green which is a 30 renewable product which is going to be the bases that people are automatically enrolled and defaulted into. The important thing as to why we are spending so much time on contracts is to make this program meaningful. This has to be a competentively priced program in order for it to be successful. Our goal of meeting pg es rates in providing cleaner energy is what we are trying to achieve. We have this other option, opt out. We are not going to talk about that because its not really important. The way we are approaching. See . Right there. They heard that note. We are approaching this strategy a little bit differently than marin and sonoma. They enrolled their Community First and opted them into 100 renewable product. What we are doing to maximize the participation in this program is we want to sign up before we go out there before automatic role ment. This is going to drive up that Participation Rate and drive up our Greenhouse Gas emissions and drive up our paths forward for cleaner energy. This shows in a really simple way what we are trying to achieve through this enrollment and outreach strategy. I will get into the details in just a second. Essentially we are trying to generate a second. This is a charge. Doesnt matter what charge. Im using an iphone. Everybody understand what an iphone is. When the iphone launched it was this new product. You were probably one of the adopters for the iphone because you believed in apple. You believed they were going to produce a quality product and you signed up. Thats what we are talking about in phase one through all of you as i know you already enrolled and all the members of the public already enrolled in clean powersf. As the iphone began to progress, more and more people started talking about the iphone about what a great product it is and reviews about its one of the best products. As you pastime maybe to the iphone two, you begin to move up this development in curve and developing this excitement and its now one of the most successful phones on the planet today and they have managed to maintain that success and excitement through every iteration and thats what we are trying to accomplish with this enrollment and outreach strategy. We start today again citywide enrollment. It moves into phase one which is the automatic enrollment which i will get to in just a moment. It starts to build into next year where well get everyone in this room, all the people at sf puc and lafco to get the word out and we are drafting super green, super heroes leading to when we ultimately get for that service in the customer group. You have people that are enrolled with the program and people that are early enrolled and we are going to catch this excitement to amplify it. Starting in summer of 2016 is when we are starting to kick it into high gear to pg e and Outdoor Campaign and hearing all the buzz throughout the city and amplify that so people are seeing it on tv and billboard and all around the city which augments the effort in terms of grass roots and actually having some name recognition. Then leading to fall 2016 when we begin to cut over service for our customers. For phase one, its still the same citywide enrollment and automatic enrollment. Weve chosen to focus on the southeast part of the city. We are going to exclude Hunters Point shipyard. Hunters point is served by our power enterprise. They are not going to be part of our cca. But everyone else in the southeast we are going to start with automatic enrollment process there. Two reasons this power plant, Hunters Point power plant and many members on the board remember the site to close down this power plant and made effort. There is no better place to signify what cleanpowersf really stand for where there were two polluting power plants in their backyard emitting power into those. For us, we felt this actually represented everything we wanted to embrace, that no matter what community you are part of, no matter what economic status, we want this for everyone. It wasnt just the Environmental Justice and social justice message that drove us to the southeast. That area also provided a good balance to minimize risk. It gave us a concentrated geography for our initial geography. We are saving our resources for that second phase. We dont want to stretch our resources too early on because we want to be mindful of the funds we are spending. Finally this is something that sf puc staff has worked towards building these longterm relationships out there because we have the Water Treatment plants in that area. We have spent many many years cultivating these relationships and we are going to develop those relationships to get the word out about cleanpowersf. This is just showing all the different methods we are going to be employing to drive outreach and engagement broken out by citywide and focus on the southeast of San Francisco. The goal is again, if you want to sign up early, you can sign up early for cleanpowersf. You are going to get prioritized space within that first enrollment and well begin to auto enroll in the southeast. For phase two, we are turn the corner and we begin to focus on the center of San Francisco. Again, still continue with the citywide outreach, but then moving our focus for the automatic enrollment. The reason we chose to look at the center of San Francisco is simple for two reasons. One, we believe its going to provide Fertile Ground and will make a big splash at super green. We want to start climbing that curb in the middle phase to Start Building awareness in the program. Based on previous data, we see this area for a different product, they are willing to sign up and pay more for a Renewable Energy product. By getting people enrolled in this program we are going to be able to boost those numbers help to drive greater awareness and more enrollment throughout the rest of the city. This is a significant undertaking. We are on a very short compressed time schedule. We have been hard at work internally and working with lafco and the Citizens Advisory Committee and getting them on board with what the strategy is going to be and a significant amount of resources we are pulling in for the just two phases. It only accounts for 52 manage mega watts for the entire load. With this money we here we are going to get a big impression of what this program is going to look like. We have been looking at a lot of utilities as to see what best practices and they are participation in the 100 renewable program. We see Portland General Electric going down to our neighboring ccas in marin and Sonoma County where they have seen a rate and sonomas numbers on the fact that they havent aggressively begun marketing their product yet. We expect those numbers to start climbing and they can building on the successful programs just north of us to build that awareness here in San Francisco. Supervisor john avalos just a question to go back. Its hard to see that last slide very well on my monitor which is very small. I just had a presentation at the bay area air Quality Management district that shows that sonoma they had a 90 capture rate and a 10 opt out rate. That was a presentation given by lee energy and they help to do consooner consooner lvency and they have only 3ccas in significance. I thought that was an interesting number and show what the experience has been on attract in track in terms of people here in San Francisco. Supervisor david campos i happened to catch part that have video. The numbers you saw on the screen were the super Green Products, the numbers were you presented were the Green Products which are two completely different systems. One was an opt out, one was a volunteer sign for it. Thats why its very different from what you saw on the screen from what the puc is presenting now. I understand which is important to employee provide the default and what the difference experience is in other places. All of these offer the deep green and offer variations from 33 35 and 50 renewable. Its important to be able to tract. If you are doing this you will be able to see what we can achieve here in San Francisco. Weve been in Constant Contact and talking with their Communication Team and talking about how they roll out and what was successful for them not just on the residential side but the commercial side and we are feeling what their best practices are employing them in the city. Those conversations have been regular. This sources are different in terms of the geography thats different that is important to see what the experience is. Thank you. Supervisor london breed thank you. I just wanted to add an additional comment because just having the light green product is not going to be enough to support the program completely and its going to be important that we have a certain number of individual sign ups for the super Green Products and i want to know if you have that information that if you can in terms of what the timeline is of making sure that we put the program out there, the launch and how many anticipated individuals that household that we need both in the light green and super green and projected opt out rate for how that works if you have that information works or if you can prepare that information so we can see what we can expect in terms of the program. When we look at the tolls and what we are trying to target for our enrollment. Thank you for bringing that up. Great. This slide shows the participation projections from our investor own utilities for their own Green Tariff Program and what pg e is projecting for their own 100 Renewable Energy program. You see the numbers they are projecting is 0. 5 and that is not acceptable for us because we have a stronger product to offer. What we are going propose for the first two phases is that we want to enroll about 5 on the enrolled account for phase 1 and 2 in super green. Our opt out is less than 20 goal. We try to minimize that in sonoma having from marin launching their program, you have seen opt out rate so people are more aware of what they are getting. We believe we are going to meet or exceed that goal. We are going to be focusing on getting people n rolled for our super green product. Thats 5 by the end of phase 2. So i would just like to add and i think this is important in the first phase we are going to have people who are voluntarily going to get in the program so chances of them opting out is very small. The other thing that since ins affordable and we are trying to beat pg e cost for the basic product, the opt out rate is also low. I think the big challenge that we are all face sg how can we get folks into super green. That is what would really make a big difference. Making San Francisco unique. If you look at the percentages of pg e 0. 22 . Thats when we start rolling it out really depends on the supervisors, all the elected officials, all the folks who have been behind us are actually pushing us to move forward and not have to come with us. That is something that im going to challenge everyone. Each district to do what they can to get as many folks into super green as possible. Thank you for reminding me. We are going to be setting up trainings and orientation with all of your staff individually because we are going to provide you the tool kits and education and materials you need to enroll your network of people. Thats definitely coming. And, again i want to remind everyone that is here, you can sign up today. Sign up at cleanpowersf. Org and retweet us on social media. This is what we plan on doing in terms of having fun. We plan create a super hero culture that you can do this no matter where you are. This is a campaign of having people create their own avatar and being able to get the word out. And i have even managed to come up with one. Lets see if you know who this is. Jason, how did we do . Again, its an early preview of what we are doing with this avatar. Thank you. That is all for my presentation. Supervisor john avalos thank you. You said we are going to be looking at enrollment at southeast San Francisco because that is a good strong mix. That could be commercial and Residential Based on who is there. Just if you can briefly tell me about why that is a strategy and why you wouldnt want to build that mix along with another part of San Francisco thats more residential that we know is going to be very strong to enroll like we know district 5 and district 8 . Yes. Thank you for bringing up that point. The customer mix is about 60 commercial, 40 residential which provides a little bit bitter of a safety net because you have commercial customers. After consulting with our energy visors to have that as a start to minimize the risk of the early phases of the program and maximizing revenue. In the other part of San Francisco, you get 70 residential and 30 commercial but you have that strong ratio of 60 40 and then the residential. The number of accounts far exceeds the Commercial Accounts where in the southeast 22,000 residential accounts and of that the remainder, i cant remember the exact number. Its like 3 or 4,000 Commercial Accounts. That shows the load difference. Even though you are signing up an account, they may use more energy and be a lower risk. The other thing i wanted to add to that, the reason that we would wait until we go to the areas that were that signaled that they would go 100 green that they have heavy advertisement in that area and what we are able to understand is that we are unable, at least we are trying to tie it around the super bowl. Around early february around that advertising is very expensive. Going to the southeast where we can do the ground gain and opting them automatically into green product which is 3250 . We wouldnt want to automatically enroll folks who would probably volunteer to do the super green which is 100 . We wanted to time that as well. Thats why we wanted to do the ground gain and offer the cheaper product in the soft piece because its cheaper. Thats another strategy that we had as well. Supervisor john avalos so you feel there is going to be a level of people who are initially enrolled in the default Green Program who could choose to go to the deep green, but because they are already enrolled they might not choose to do it but if you are enrolled in district 10 and you know to opt into a higher rate you can adopt that and capture more people . Am i understanding you correctly . Correct. So people can take advantage of that. In your district, londons district, we believe Fertile Grounds and we want to do aggressive ground games and have a lot of advertisement and we need to take advantage to make sure that we are taking advantage of every opportunity so we can get more people into super green. Supervisor john avalos okay. I dont see other names in the roster for questions. So why dont we go on to mr. Fried . Thank you, jason fried for lafco. Not to repeat what was already done. But a couple other quick updates. On the legislative side besides sb 350 there is 110 that lafco writing and there was a 2year track. They can come to some consensus on it. We talked about it earlier in our suggestions on how to approach it to make it a 2year bill and some lamenting to agreeing with that and that will be moving forward with that next year. I did see both sonoma was taking the lead on the cca and they were supporting their efforts but marin and sonoma are very thankful for the efforts that lafco did to get that into a 2year goal. Its important but also can be favorable to one or the other. We face tissue of prop g telling us that group top sole ar is not green. Thats now on a 2year track. As far as the updates go with the rest of thecca program, i would like to thank the marketing team. They have done a great job and thanks for my avatar. Its greatly appreciated. I have never changed my facebook photo but i can for the first time make that my picture for now on because i do appreciate that. As far as weve had a lot of discussion about the timelines. I want to emphasize that staff has been doing a lot of great work. Every time i call there they are extremely working. I feel guilty at times when i take my time away from the moment i call him because they are trying to get a lot done in a quick manner. I dont want that to be shadowed of what they discussed today. We need to work on that they stay on track. General manager kelly wants to work with us and trying to work and go as quickly as we can. When we had 90 days to get through the board process we were able to get that done in 60 days. Im very confident to get to move this Program Forward efficiently. Thank you very much. If you have any questions, im happy to answer them. Supervisor john avalos thank you, why dont we hear from members of the public who have been listening diligently. Public speaker good afternoon commissioners. In my classroom in college i would say i understand. By not turning on your airconditioning. I would say make your day, make my day. Make everybody happy. This friday afternoon in San Francisco. Thank you, next speaker please. Public speaker good afternoon, brooks. San francisco advocate. For next lafco meeting please do agendaize the discussion of the marketing plan. We feel it has important aspects to it that are positive that it could have a key flaw in it. We would like to talk about that more later. On the timeline and the Business Plan and the contract approvals. I want to make clear that Sonoma County had a situation where it got a lot more bids than it did and it did not need to institute any delays because they were getting more bids. The fact that pg e has a 10 lower rate, thats not a major concern, thats were why the program is 33 to compete with pg e. The only issue and the way to move forward on this and i strongly urge this is that we heard from staff is that the Business Plan is about the whole 400 mega watts of 10year program that we are anticipating that it needs to be nailed down and that makes sense for a Business Plan for that. What we are hearing is the contract approvals that we believe is that sf puc can approve and the board can approve in time will be contingent upon the Business Plan. These contract approvals are just for the 30 mega watts start ups. Thats the problem is that the start up of the program, that needs to happen as fast as possible because pg e is about to put out its competing program is going to be held up by the fact that we are not doing these initial tiny mega watts of contracts because we are waiting for the Business Analysis. That Business Analysis is for a much bigger purpose. I would urge both commissioners on the both side for the 30 mega watts and then we make the rest. Supervisor john avalos thank you. Next speaker please. Anyone who wants to speak, if you wish to lineup on the wall where the windows are it would be great. Public speaker i just want to make a few points. As we all know Climate Change is a big issue and changing our new sources to renewables is a huge responsibility of us and as of San Francisco and california and the u. S. , i think we department of do have a specific responsibility in one of the cities progressively doing this and no matter what we have, we have to do it. I know you have a lot that you do have to do from listening to lots of considerations but really in the grand scheme of everything, this is really important that we push it through. I do understand that pg e has a comparable program, but you know, looking at the numbers that they prdz as well as the prices this sounds like the puc has a much Better Program that can be implemented and would just in many ways be better in terms including the affordability as we are doing that on a large scale to be affordable so all people not just privileged with money can switch over to this. Also we should be moving serine sooner than later to go ahead get ahead of the game. I just urge all of to you please do what you can to make this happen because we do have the responsibility to, i think as a place that fosters us to do what we can. So, thank you very much. Public speaker good afternoon, commissioners. I encourage you to take this Going Forward. As a member of the public im very disappointed that additional requirements about increased Business Plans are being put to signing contracts and moving this forward. You usually split bills at the bos and maybe there are ways of signing contracts for less than 10 million and you can get the additional increment. The same with the Risk Assessment. To get this program started you dont need to do anymore Risk Assessments. As you are going along and increasing the program. Same thing for the volume of bids. You dont have to do a lot of evaluations. You can see a whole lot of them are cutting out. Whatever it is. We need the program now. San francisco needs to be on the lead on this not following the nation, not following all the rest of the counties in california. Please, the community of San Francisco asks you to expedite. Supervisor john avalos thank you. Next speaker. Public speaker any other name is john anderson. I have been following this. I would like to thank the staff of cleanpowersf for moving this forward. Im very encouraged when i hear things like parallel tracking and doing things multiplea and moving. Im discouraged when i hear things for the need for detailed Business Plan, detailed description of objectives. Things like that. This has been in the works for a while. This is no longer an Innovative Program of the counties are doing it. This is a sense of urgency for the competitive situation and when i hear phrases it doesnt sound like people feel urgent about it. Supervisor john avalos next speaker, please. Public speaker my name is rebecca evans. San francisco ratepayer. I have been here for many years following this. I think its time for things to happen. I agree with the comments made by the members of lafco and the members of board of supervisors especially supervisor breed and campos and support the comments mr. Fried made about the dual track. I think its time to get started on this and find every way possible to make it happen. San francisco is a leader or should be a leader in environmental means. Thank you very much. Public speaker im david mccord and cochair of the sierra club of the bay Chapter Energy committee. Its human innate tour nature to keep dotting is and crossing more ts. The time to move is now. Its time to get approval for schedule, approval for the plan on the schedule if it has to be conditional or make it conditional. The citys been managing over 150 mega watts of power already through hetch hetchy. Its proof to really able to handle 30 mega watts of their initial phase. Pg e is launching its competing ground check and next year early next year. If we have let pg e launch first, its going to be much cleaner to sf and sf would look bad and probably suffer enrollment. So we need the get this going on schedule. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Public speaker hello, chair avalos, president caen and commissioners. Joe from 350 San Francisco. I was watching the c puc hearing thursday. Anytime we are not in the room you should assume we are watching and i was very surprised to hear a delay at the meeting on september 1st, i asked your staff specifically after this item which has already been delayed on our timeline about the risk analysis and whether there would be anything complex required about any additional delay. And was nothing about this reflected. Certainly as the member of the public hearing we got way more bids than we expected and that they are more affordable than expected thus we need more delay and there must be a higher risk. Those seem backwards to me. We really hitched our wagon to this timeline and i think the Public Utilities commission bare wagged their timeline to this and in this metaphor i hope we didnt hitch it to a continually dying horse. I think the Energy Market is changing on a monthly bases. If we are sewing the program down or reoptimizing our risk analysis every time Something Like this happens its never going to happen. We are harping on super green sign ups, but what we are losing is the entire sooj psychological aspect of consumption of product. If pg e starts this program, they are the first mover and sgl public speaker my name is sarah green walid. In this situation pg e can do what it starting to do in analyzing more rfp responses. Take a little bit more time. You have a very competent staff. Its doable. And blaming the staff for not being able to do it is not the idea. You are facing a competitor to take in all of your market and then you know, what are you left with . Im a homeowner. Im a signer for cleanpowersf. Its been around for so long. If it were a child it would be in medical school. Middle school. And pg e is coming up with green while cleanpowersf is still being studied. Im going to sign for this and i dont think im alone in this. Thank you. Public speaker im talking with the sierra club and chair of the sierra club in San Francisco. Im late in the line. So you have heard most of this before. Im bringing up a few things. One is as you arrived today this sounds totally reasonable that will be delays. 10 years delays, whats 6 more weeks. I would wonder why we are having a cow to put it mildly. It was the context and that was what the previous speaker brought up. Pg e was to get us there before they launch their program. Disappointing. Understandable but disappointing. I was intrigued by what eric mentioned. Would it have to be for the entire mega watts . Thank you for your time. Supervisor john avalos thank you very much. I think thats a good question. I will have staff answer that after Public Comment. Public speaker good afternoon. We operation with the environment and government here in San Francisco. I want to support the comments made by the Public Commenters and the request that the supervisors have asked for here today and i want to express that we are very concerned that the additional delays and especially delays related to the Business Plan and Risk Assessment because as the gentlemen from 350 said this earlier, it seems to have come up pretty suddenly and out of the blue and thats the one thing to blame to delay the competitive advantage that we are really unhappy. Thank you. Supervisor john avalos thank you very much. If there are no other members of the public who would like to comment, i will close Public Comment unless there is a question from our commissioners. Commissioner crews . Vice chair cynthia crews a question for the member of the public or to follow up on a member of the publics question that arose. Can i follow up on a question from the member of the public . Yes. Should we close Public Comment first . Well close Public Comment first. Your question wasnt for a member of public. Public comment is now closed. I want to thank jed olson from the area that brought up the appearance of the Risk Assessment plan and i wasnt at the sf puccac meeting and one unfortunate part of cac meetings are not televised so i did not see that. So im concerned when i hear that was quite sudden. I think that we heard from staff and from others of how that did come up and so if there was anything more to speak to that, then i would ask that they would and i would ask to echo on the question of the sierra club, could the assessment be done for just the 30 mega watt program . So i think the Business Plan has to take in account that we have to roll out everyone. Once we start we cant do that. We have to look at the total risk and onceart we stwe have to look at everyone. Thats why we have to look at the whole thing. The other thing if i can add to that, the only thing i would just want to keep in mind that although we would love 100 of the folks to do super green, but if you are looking at you know, if we are able to achieve 1415 which is higher than anyone, we are talking about 85 of the folks that will be in the green product which is greener and hopefully cheeper than pmg and thats the competition. We know we can beat it. So dont be focused on the super green which we want to focus on the super green but the perspective is that 85 if we are able the achieve the super green, 85 will be on their default product that will be cheaper and greener. I want to put it in perspective because everybody saying pg e putting out their super green that we are going to fail. Their basic product and our product. Supervisor london breed supervisor london breed i just want a little clarity. With the option, can we move forward with those . To my understanding we need a little bit of all of those. We will sit down to review what we can move forward with and what does not require board action and we are going to sit down with your staff, supervisor and lafco to really kind of work and see what we can do especially with the City Attorney to see how we can take advantage of all of these great proposals that we received. I guess from my perspective, i know that we need a little bit of all of them, but there are ways that for two of the options we can begin the process of rolling out that option and continue to move down those lines especially because we are talking about focusing on enrolling a community a specific community with a specific number to get us on a number of the city. Base on the options it seems there is a sufficient supply to still move the Program Forward while simultaneously analyzing the Program Forward and just trying to make sure that we stick to the commitment we made to roll out this program in the spring and more importantly in terms of the nuts and bolts and all the internal things, we all know that the individuals who are opt into the program initially will have the same bill, will be provided with information that talks about the program and explains exactly you know what this means in terms of their bill but internally there will be changes because if anything changes in terms of the industry or anything changes in terms of our ability to provide even greener power at the same rate, we are going to want to do that. The internal workings can work out internally and to move it forward and even with the small schedule for the first roll out to effectively stick to the date that we agree to launch to this program. I would love to see that as well. I would also like to get a little bit more specific on time if we talk about winter, spring, june 15th is spring and so i would like to see us talk about months rather than these 4 months, but 3 months in seasons that we are in. I know earlier we were talking about launching close to the super bowl or after the super bowl. That is winter. So if we are talking now its probably like towards the end of march and the end of march and weve had indications from our both commissions and have set time frames we can work with. We can work with that i do like ideas that we can a smaller portion we are providing Going Forward. Maybe its a deep green or maybe a certain zip code. But those to me are going to be real important especially to honor the work that the staff have done and that and that these two bodies have been working on these couple of years. We are putting together a revised schedule and we will make that public once weve worked it through internally. So thats coming. We have a portfolio we need together of supplies and the option to renewable and the bid option 1 firmed and shaped power. Its the combination of those three products that creates the portfolio. We need some of all of that or at least something from two of those to launch the program regardless of the size of the program. We are complete looking, im completely sensitive to the concerns president breed raised about market changes. Thats part of our incentive for moving swiftly is we want to make sure we retain these good bids that we have when we publish the bids. We told the bidder to refresh the bids and thats Standard Practice and well do that. But we definitely want to consummate deals that allow us to launch programs in the spring. In terms of the schedule itself in the details what we have previously said is that on january 26th was our target date for sharing with pg e. The list for customers we were automatically enrolling and including in our first phase. Then under the regulatory rules, bjr pg e gets to that data and february 1st would be the first day we begin to serve customers. We were commonly referring that to march. When we are talking about the shift in time, we are talking about a shift potentially to may or late april. At this point we are not talking about june whchlt im saying spring, thats what i mean. Still within the the relative timeframe of the march area that weve been talking about before. Supervisor john avalos i appreciate the specificity. Great. Supervisor john avalos okay, i see no other items on the roster. We dont have to take any action . No. Well go to our next item. Cityrk