Transcripts For MSNBCW The Rachel Maddow Show 20141114

Humankind having pulled off the amazing achievement of landing a spacecraft on a speeding comet. As we reported on last nights show, one of the concerns about that mission is that theres not very much gravity on the comet. Its only about 1 10000th of the comet would be at risk of floating away, basically not being able to stick to the comet once it landed there. Well, we talked about that last night on the show. The problem of the comet lander floating away, in fact, has happened now twice in the past 24 hours. The little Landing Craft cant stick. It just floated away for a while into space before eventually coming back down on the come et today. The problem now is that it has come back down on a place that is shady, a place that is shielding its solar panels from the sun. So at risk of running out of energy and dying on the comet unless it can get to a sunny spot. The question now is whether theyre going to be able to shove it off into space again on purpose and hope that the next time it comes down on the comet, it comes down in a sunnier place. But triumph yesterday became a real drama as to whether its going to be able to live now that its there . Theres space drama today, the Political Drama today was this unbelievable story, literally unbelievable. I thought that this story, i kid you not, i thought that it was satire when i first saw the headline. Im feeling very superior about all the people who fell for this obvious satire. That could not possibly be a true thing. Its a true thing. The governor of arkansas is about to leave office. He is on his way out the door. He is issuing a pardon to his own son for a drug offense from ten years ago. This is the kind of story that would be made up by antiamerican state tv in some country that hates us. Oh, you want democracy . Look at how it works in america. That really is the true news out of arkansas today. You may have seen headlines today about a tiger being loose. You see the headlines and you think oh, i didnt know that euro disney had live tigers. Turns out, they dont. So then you read into the story and theres a park des fellims. A wildlife park with felines, with lions and tigers and stuff that is only about 20 miles away. So you think oh, thats where it came from. The tiger didnt come from euro disney. It must have come from the park des feline. No, turns out theyre not missing any of their tigers. Theyre all present and accounted for. Then, you read a few more paragraphs into the story and it turns out, oh, there was a circus in town. The tiger must have come from the circus. Was it your tiger circus . Must have been from the circus that was in the area. Except, no, the circus also says they have not lost a tiger. So French Police have been hoping to find this 150 pound tiger on the loose in the countryside. Should be kind of a normal, whacky, lost wildlife story. But because its todays news, it has to be completely inexplicable. Theres no conceivable place this tiger could have come from. Everything today is, like, seriously . Except for washington today. In washington, everything is going just as expected. This is who the republicans picked. The republicans did decide to go for it in terms of diversity this year. They also decided to pick two other white guys named mitch and roy. The democrats picked their team, too. Harry reid, dick derbin, chuck schumer, patty murray they were all there before. But the last two, those are new faces. The thing to know is that she enjoys this very rare status. I have never met anybody in the world of politics, right, left or center, ive yet to meet anybody in this entire business who does not have a favorable opinion of amy klobashar. Shes very, very popular in her state. She first won election to the senate in 2006 by a 20point margin. She then won reelection six years later by a 35point margin. Her state, as well, in that year in 2012. But in minnesota, 2012, when amy and barack obama were both on the same ballot that year, amy outperformed obama by 27 points. Same voters. Look at those maps. So that is one reason why amy klobashar is an interesting choice for the democrats to add to their leadership in washington. If the democratic primary is going to be more on the wide open side and less just a coronation for hillary clinton, its a dark horse candidate. A chance to get that leadership job, amy has to replace somebody who already has that job. Its not like the Elizabeth Warren job where the democrats just created a whole new leadership position so they would have something to give her. In klobashars case, the job of the Steering Committee chair for the democratic party, thats her new job, before today, that was a job that had already been taken. The senator of alaska already has that job. And, yeah, if mark begech isnt in the senate anymore, thats open for somebody else to take. But mark isnt conceding that hes going to be out of the senate. In alaska, with tens of thousands, the Associated Press has called that race for mark begechs opponent. Nbc news is calling dan sullivan the apparent winner. But hes not conceding. And he says he will not concede until all the remaining ballots are, in fact, counted. And there are still tens of thousands of them. So depending on what happens with that Alaska Senate seat and that mary landrew has runoff in louisiana, republicans will control the senate in january starting with somewhere between 52 and 54 seats. Its comfortable control in the senate. And theyve got a really big margin in the house. But because of the way things are now, the same party sitting pretty comfortably in controlling both houses of congress, that apparently congress, that apparently does not mean that were not going to have a Government Shutdown anyway. The paper reporting that the Obama White House has teed up the president s longawaited executive action on immigration. And, as early as an ex week, president obama will announce that he will change the enforcement priorities for Homeland Security and immigration officials to basically allow 5 Million People who are in this country without proper documentation, to come forward, make themselves known to authorities, pay a fine, pass a background check. If they do all of those things, they can qualify, for, essentially, a temporary promise that they will not be deported. So its not a change to the law. Its not a permanent fix. Its essentially a reprieve hoping to buy time until the system can be fixed. Until the president can do legally on his own without Congress Acting to change the law. Its less than what they say the white house has been hinting at for months now. Just waiting for the day to use it. But thats sort of what its been like to watch the conservative media today. Oh, my god today, their new word was explosion. Look. Its like the republicans in the ficus group about how to talk about president obama now and the takeaway from the focus group was it really should have something to do with fire. When you play with matches, you take the risk of burning yourself, and hes going to burp himself. The president is just throwing a barrel of gasoline on a fire. In our mind, a nuclear threat. Surely the president understands the kind of explosion that would occur up here if he takes that unilateral action. Once there is a fire, turns out the only water that can put that out is a little word that starts with i and ends with impeachment. There is going to be a fire storm on capitol hill. A possible impeachment of the president for what many would consider lawless actions if he goes too far. The president failing to come ply with his oath. Thats the constitutional remedy for president ial behavior this wide of the mark. Some suggested he goes too far, he should be impeached. How big would the action have to be . What would he have to do to make it an Impeachable Offense . Its president obama trying to bait the republicans into impeaching him. Already, theres pressure on them not to impeach. If the American People think he is behaving lawlessly, what should they do . That would be bring the country to a tipping point. So in conservative media, they want to impeach obama for taking executive action on immigration. The last time there were lots of loud calls in republican politics the way republicans tried to make those calls go away was to instead file a lawsuit against president obama. They ever actually did, but they said they would. If you dont like threatening to sue the president , it does seem like theyre planning on shutting down the government, again. That conservative district that includes more than 50 members of congress right now, in which theyre promising they will not allow congress to pass the basic legislation that keeps the lights on, not let that legislation pass. So either block the president from doing this or shut the government down. Nine days after the election before we put the next Government Shutdown on the map. The government is currently funded through december 11th. After that, who knows . Fiery adjective. So none of these are surprising developments in washington, right . President obama has been saying for months that he was going to use is power, and they would lose their mind if and when that happened, both of those seem to be coming to pass. The question now is, seriously, where is that tiger from . Sorry, the question now is whats going to happen . And, inevitably, the republicans are going to lose their minds. Is the white house going to do something that, in substantive terms, is going to be big enough to be worth it . Is the president about to do something that is going to make a real difference . Is he going to do something thats going to make a real difference, and how can we tell . Joining us now is allen gomez. Mr. Gomez, thanks very much for being here. Its nice to have you here. Thanks for having me. If president obama moves forward with action on immigration via an executive order as early as next week, thats the reporting from what the New York Times and fox news in the last day or so, what do you think we should expect in terms of scope of his action . Well, i believe they think they can go very, very far. And, understand, this is pretty much theyre viewing this as an extension from what they did a couple years ago where they protected close to 600,000 young, undocumented immigrants from deportation. And in their view, theyre allowed to pick who theyre going to focus their Immigration Enforcement efforts on. And, so by doing this, so they think what they can do now is extend that to one, two, three, four, Million People. So long as they dont say were not going to deport anybody, they think they can protect Certain Group of the undocumented population. So theyve been pushed to prevent to stop all of the deportations completely. They dont think they can do that. So what theyre looking at is a group of about 3. 5 million. Maybe 4. 5 million. It sound like thats kind of the ballpark. Theres so much news on the way that republicans are freaking out about this. On the other side of it, theyre pushing to do something to go as big as they can. What reactions are we seeing . It sounds like what theyre really looking at is the parents of the people who are u. S. Citizens. But those children who got protected a couple years ago, they wouldnt be included in that. The way that the senate approached which group of undocumented immigrants that protect when they passed their bill last year, had nothing to do with who youre related to. It had something to do with youre in the country. So it doesnt look like theyre considering that group of people right now. So, yeah, theyre absolutely going to be pushing for him to go further and further. So now that weve heard about this, yeah, theres going to be protests tomorrow saying it needs to go a heck of a lot further. Its amazing, before theres any announcement, theres planned impeachment, a lawsuit, et cetera. Just a sign of how hot this issue is. Thanks for being here. Appreciate it. Thanks. Weve got lots more to come tonight, including some astonishing new details about the secret service. Stay with us. While every business is unique, everyone is looking for ways to cut expenses. And thats where pg es Online Business Energy Checkup tool can really help. You can use it to track your Actual Energy use. 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Overnight, the death toll climbed. We did not receive the miracle we prayed for. Weve accounted for four miners that had been unaccounted for. No one was inside. Rescuers had walk passed the bodies of the missing four miners on the first day but never saw them through the smoke and debris. So this journey has ended. And now the healing will start. The death toll eventually rose to 29, 29 people killed. Almost immediately after that explosion, people started asking questions. Don blankenship denied any responsibility for that. He told the Senate Committee that putting profits before safety is just something he would never do. Let me state for the record, massey does not put profits over safety. We never have and never will. I have made safety the number one priority. Since the disaster, there have been four convictions related to that disaster. A security chief, a mine superintendant. He announced his retirement from working at Massey Energy after three decades. 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There are aisles, but the senators desks are clumped together in little twos and threes and fours. When barack obama became a brand new freshman senator, he was given an assigned seat and his seat mate, at his little conjoined desk in the senate state chamber was this senator. Her name was penny sovereigns. Yes, barack obama was an impressive politician right from the beginning. But this senator who became Barack Obamas mentor, she is also a bit of a shooting star. Penny had been elected to the senate even younger than barack obama had been. She was 34 when she was elected to the senate. When she was only 20 years old, she had been elected to be a delegate at the National Convention. Ever to have been elected a National Convention delegate. She ran for congress in 1980. She won a City Council Seat thereafter. She then ran for the senate. Penny ran for the senate against a tenyear, republican incumbent whos not seen as endangered at all. He was a member of the leadership and everything. But she beat him. See the sign there . Hello, penny. Goodbye, jim. In 1994, Illinois Democrats decided that for the first time in the history of the democratic party, or the Republican Party in any state in the country, they would run an all female ticket for governor and lieutenant governor. Now, in 1994, you might remember, was a bad year for democrats coasttocoast. Penny was leutenant governor candidate on that historic ticket. She disclosed during the campaign that she had been diagnosed with Breast Cancer. But she stayed on the ticket. She campaigned hard. In 18997, she was e she was reelected. This is a photo of her being reelected. In 1991, she ran for secretary of state. But she did not make it. She died. She died at home. Her twin sister had survived Breast Cancer, at that point, her younger sister had died from Breast Cancer. And in 1998, penny died from Breast Cancer, as well. She was only 46 years old. Squl senators say you do got have to be a state house veter ran to appreciate severance. She took me immediately under her wing when i came down and gave me all kinds of terrific advice and tips. Shes be sorely missed. Since penny died, her name and legacy have loomed really large. The Chicago Sun Times wrote more recently about how current secretary of state keeps a photo of her in his office. 16 years after she died. The portion of interstate 72 that runs between springfield, the State Capitol and her home district in decatur illinois is named for penny. The public Health Department maintained something called the penny sovereigns research fund, the Illinois State library maintains the penny sovereigns family literary program. The city where she represented is in may con county, illinois. Theyve known its scandal over the years. Illinois politics are not a fairy tale. You can see it more than in any singing place. But in macon county, illinois, there is an award thats given to a public official who has done the right thing when it was hard to do the right thing. That award is the integrity award. Her legacy still looms really large in that state. And its not because of her role in Barack Obamas political life, right in the start of his political career, his first year in elected office, its not because of that. Had Breast Cancer not killed her in her mid 40s, who knows where she would have ended up by now. But the thing to know now is what was never known about her in her whole career, in her whole life. Last november, 15 years after penny died, illinois moved a marriage bill. It was introduced by a state rep named Anne Williams. And in introducing that marriage bill in illinois in november, Anne Williams broke some news. One of the greatest love stories i have ever heard played out right here under our beautiful dome. But it was a secret. Why . Because it happened over 20 years ago, involved a state senator, the late penny sutterns and one of my dearest friends, a woman named Terry Muchler at the time, an a. P. Reporter here at the capital. Penny served at the senate from 1986 until her tragic and untimely death from Breast Cancer in 1998. For much of that time, there were no openly gay members. Barack obamas mentor in his first year in Public Office in the state senate in illinois, she only died in 1998. Which is not that long ago. But everyone in 1998, when she considered her marriage was a secret until everybody. And then the story eventually could be told. Her partner, terry, is a lawyer. Shes a former journalist and she joins us. Thank you. Its a pleasure to be here. It feels like im talking about you in the room. But this is a very personal thing. Given how big she looms in illinois politics. Why is that . Penny and i when we fell in love in 1993, i was a journalist and she was a senator and we embarked on a very complicated, hidden marriage. Throughout all of those years, even though we attempted to kind of come out of the closet at various points to our families, we never made it there because of pennys health. In fact, the thanksgiving before she died, we were on our way to indiana to talk to my sister and her husband and reveal our relationship. And then we were going to reveal it to pennys brother, rod and his wife, jane. But penny had the last round of four diagnoses of cancer. She had a tumor in her skull and tree months later she died and we never made it to that juncture. She was so wellloved, had she been able to come out for all the personal reasons, that she would have been embraced. She wouldnt have been committed political suicide. I think people loved penny for a couple of reasons. She put them first. She put her family second and herself last. You cant fake that kind of integrity. So she gave people 24 7 access. However, at the time of our relationship, you had a lot going on in central illinois. You had testify before the senate and penny had come home to tell me that fellow senators were making fun of the dead sailor. Even in the newsroom at the time, you know, people were basically saying, oh, you know, the guy should have known better. And so, i did not believe that if we did not come out at that time, that penny would have retained at that moment. You would have had a group of people that said yes, we want penny to be in that seat. But im not sure that decatur would have been ready. And you never know what happens until it happens. Youre in this youre in this incredibly ethically compromised position, because youre sleeping with your source. So youre the ap state house chief. And thats a compromising position. Completely unforgivable. And youre very open about that in the book and how that was the wrong thing to do. Had this senator been a man, would you have dealt with that ethical conflict still by disclosing it . Yes, i believe i would have. When i was in pennsylvania and dating a man on the speaker staff, i went to the bureau chief and said i think this is going to be a serious relationship. Ap said just dont cover the house. I covered the senate. But i could got bring myself to do that. For a whole host of reasons. Penny and i at the very beginning, we are falling fast. So i believe i would have, but, you know, thats pretty easy to say, in hindsight. Well, terry, author of under this beautiful dome, as i said, we dont really do book interviews, but i was really moved by this beautiful book and remarkable story. Thanks for telling us e it. Well be right back. Stay with us. The Equipment Tracking system will get you to the loading dock. There should be a truck leaving now. I got it. Now jump off the bridge. What . In 3. 2. 1. Are you kidding me . Go. Right on time. 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The big mystery as to why that dog and officer didnt chase the intruder. We now know the reason they didnt notice him making a run for it because the officer was actually sitting in his van and he wasnt listening to his twoway radio because he took his earpiece out of his ear. All the easier to conduct his personal cell phone call. He was on a personal phone call and not on his radio. The officer was supposed to have another radio on him, but he left it in the locker that day. He only realized that Omar Gonzalez was on the white house lawn when he happened to notice another secret Service Officer chasing the man. Another detail we now know is that Omar Gonzalez caught the secret service offguard when he ran through a row of bushes outside the north portico door at the white house, quote, at the time of the incident, both Emergency Team response officers were surprised that he was able to get through those bushes prior to that evening, the officers believed the bushes were too thick to be passable. Then theres this. For a significant amount of time while the incident was under way, the secret Service Officers who should have been directly involved in stopping the intruder, they could on the hear unintelligible noise on the radios because the Radio Systems were not working properly. Because why would active duty secret Service Officers patrolling the white house grounds need working Service Radios . Times are tight. Right . Tighten your belts. Cant afford that. 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