Against the miners, she is against the police. Believe me. You know it and i know it and guess what. She knows it. Those peddling the narrative of cops as a racist force in our society, a narrative supported with a nod by my opponent, shared directly in the responsibility for the unrest in milwaukee and many other places within our country. [ cheering and applause ] they have fostered the dangerous antipolice atmosphere in america and all throughout america. Just in that short excerpt were playing for you, i have three explosive charges from trump saying his opponent Hillary Clinton is antipolice. He didnt give evidence for that, saying that she, quote, nodded toward racist depictions of police. A very specific charge. And then thirdly, perhaps the most charged given the violence and unrest, he said she was in effect in directindirectly or p responsible for that violence. Were going to show you the appeal donald trump made to africanamericans if we have any of that sound. The Democratic Party has taken the votes of africanamericans for granted. Theyve just assumed theyll get your support and done nothing in return for it. Theyve taken advantage of the africanamerican citizen. Its time to give the democrats some competition for these votes, and it is time to rebuild the inner cities of america and to reject the failed leadership of a rigged political system. That was the argument from donald trump. As you may have heard just moments ago on Lawrence Odonnells show, he was making that argument in west bend. Now that is significant here because it was billed as this certain type of speech. An interesting choice to be clear for a speech that was directly bringing up race. One political reporter already pointed this out online. According to the census bureau, west bend, wisconsin, is 95 white. I want to get to our panel here. Mark thompson, liz smith, and katy packard. Thank you so everyone. Mark, ill start with you. Your thoughts on this address. I know you watched the entire thing for us here in the newsroom and particularly on the geography, at times donald trump made it sound that he was addressing the inner city, that he was addressing black voters. Theres a big difference between west bend and milwaukee. You dont even get away with saying youre in harlem if youre in the Upper West Side around here and thats a lot less than 40 miles. Youre absolutely right. Thank you for having me, ari. West bend is an hour from milwaukee. If he was concerned about the Africanamerican Community, he should have gone into the Africanamerican Community and heard some of the concerns about what was going on. It sounded as if david clark wrote his speech because hes been saying that on hannity and fox business and elsewhere. Same old cliches. Its the same cliche weve always heard. The Democratic Party takes africanamericans for granted. The Democratic Party hasnt done anything for africanamericans. But what has the Republican Party done . To use the term looters as a generalization, to talk about hating the police, to call people in general violent, thats not speaking out to africanamericans. He had a chance to do that. I was in cincinnati. He was invited to come speak at the Naacp Convention in close proximity to cleveland and he wont go. My feelings are hurt. I mean, this is a guy whose wealth was built on his fathers discriminatory rental practices. Thats right. Has he ever even made a building with housing for working people with Affordable Housing . Has he done anything on that level to help improve lives, because thats part of what goes on in communities where there are these kind of incidents with police and theres poverty. It is not just police hating and drugs. He just loved africanamericans together and just painted this Chocolate City version of hell. And you raise an important point, both of you, which is he speaking to africanamerican voters in theory, because not obviously in practice based on the data in the region, or is he talking about africanamerican to appeal to different voters, which is a political question for you, liz. I want to play him discussing that in the context of saying Hillary Clinton picks the wrong sides in these battles. Take a listen. My opponent, hillary, would rather protect the offender than the victim. Big problem in our society. Hillary clinton backed policies are responsible for the problems in the inner cities today and a vote for her is a vote for another generation of poverty, high crime, and lost opportunities. I care too much about my country to let this happen. That kind of rhetoric we know is fairly effective in a small voter turnout republican primary because it is gospel that Hillary Clinton is to blame for a whole host of things. With this as a general election strategy, looking to you as someone who has run democratic campaigns, does this work the same way to a general election audience . No, i dont think it does. What i think that rhetoric showed is i would love to see donald trump go and speak directly to the black community. I dont think he ever will. His rhetoric tonight made me very glad he didnt go to the city of milwaukee, which is facing a lot, which is sort of a microcosm for a lot of the unrest were facing. The last thing we need is him going out there and stoke these divisions and saying somehow democrats are antiLaw Enforcement and somehow pit communities of color against the Law Enforcement community. What we need are voices of calm, voices like president obamas. President obama is out there saying, you know what . Black lives matter. We also need to respect Law Enforcement and the hard job they have to do, and we have to figure out ways to reform policing to bring our communities together. You know what . Donald trump didnt talk about one reform he would make to improve policing. The ferguson report came out with very comprehensive reforms that, oh, i think only nine out of 17,000 Police Districts i think you raise an important point. Theres a rich discussion around policing. Not all the issues are automatically ideological or partisan. He did say he wanted to support more police officers. Unless you want to do the cops program, which was started under president clinton in 1994, youre not going to have a lot of federal funding. If you do, that is still federal tax dollars. Congress says leave that to the states. Katy, i want to bring you in and throw onre piece of data at you. Among africanamericans in the poll, Hillary Clinton 91 , donald trump 1 , katy. Well, you know, this is a perfect example of a donald trump speech that is very light on policy and very heavy on Bumper Sticker slogans. He had a great opportunity last week to go to my hometown of detroit, michigan, and have a very substantive conversation about the plight of the inner city in this country and to look at the things that are starting to work in a city like that. Without a doubt, there is a lot to criticize about democrat policies and Democratic Leaders who have failed the inner city and the Africanamerican Community, but donald trump speaking about it in Bumper Sticker slogans without offering policy, what hes going to do to change life for the Africanamerican Community or for the inner City Residents of this country, just isnt the answer. I dont think the africanamerican voters he seemed to be trying to target are buying it. I agree. I dont think that hes making any appeal. He definitely didnt make an appeal tonight. It was a little bit schizophrenic and paradoxical to be in that environment and talk about assaults on police and talk about crime and blame it on the Democratic Party and the Africanamerican Community and Hillary Clinton and everybody and then say i want the africanamerican vote. Coming from where . Based on what . I agree with you. He showed absolutely no evidence at all of even being interested. It was almost like watching a drunk phone call. Thats what it is like when you see him. Sometimes when hes on the teleprompter and it is more constructed, it is like a drunk call. On the politics of it, they did want to say this was a big special address. Aides said hes going on prompter, which is their way of saying hes got something to say, but this was really a stump speech sprinkled with a little extra law and order drama. Totally agree. It was a bad copy and paste job of all his previous prompter speechers. Which is better than plagiarism. Lets look at Donald Trumps policies and lets look at how they would help the Africanamerican Community. You know what his economic policies are . Giving huge tax breaks to corporations and millionaires and billionaires via repealing the estate tax. You know what he feels about voter id . He supports voter id, Voter Suppression, efforts that are aimed primarily at suppressing the black vote. Im no defender of donald trump, but to say he supports suppressing the black vote is a little bit of overreach. The Republican Party does support voter identification. Thats not the same as suppression. Yes, it is. Ill disagree with you. The Supreme Court has just thrown out a lot of the republicans voting id ideas. That doesnt make it suppression. Yeah, it does. They pretty much called it that. Its a modern day poll tax. It is. It is meant to suppress the votes of black voters, latino voters, college students, women voters. The elderly. You can go down the list and you can call it voter id, but lets be real. It is a Voter Suppression tactic. Let me ask you, katy, what else would you want to hear from the rest of the Republican Party. Because im old enough to remember a time, three to four weeks ago, where donald trump would give a speech and there would be some attempt to respond or echo it. We see it a lot in politics and surrogate. I dont know if it is just me, but lately it seems like he did the Foreign PolicyNational Security speech yesterday. He did this tonight. Were not hearing from any republicans other than his inner buddy circle of Chris Christie and rudy. Is that right . Well, i think people are just tired. Theyre tired of having to go out and defend what sounds like nonsense half the time. I dont blame that. Thats why i dont support donald trump, so i dont have to go out and defend that. Im tired, katy, but we have 45 minutes left in this live show. Keep going. If you want to look at somebody who has substantive policy that theyre proposing, real things that hes proposing that would be done for the inner cities of this country, paul ryan has a great agenda. I would be happy to see donald trump plagiarize some of the things paul ryan has said. I dont think donald trump is serious about proposing real substantive policy change. He just wants to sputter these Bumper Sticker slogans that dont have any substance behind them. That may Say Something about the state of the race when your best hope is that paul ryan could sock puppet donald trump at some later date. The whole panel stays and we have more to talk about. We have a little bit more from the law and order speech today with donald trump saying hes not going to pivot. We have new numbers showing problems in the senate. Also, we have a video of mike pence doing the best he can do. Roger ailes advising donald trump on those big debates. New york times says it is on. 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Many republicans arent with trump and that is starting to make some things awkward, even for his running mate. This is what happened to mike pence, his running mate, in new mexico earlier this evening. Our republican governor refuses to endorse you or mr. Trump in this election, and she is one of many republicans that are deserting. Why the unprecedented number of people who are deserting you and mr. Trump in your own party . Yeah, let me say Susana Martinez is a great friend of mine. Shes a great governor. Shes done a great job for new mexic mexico. It is no fun when it goes down like that. Youre all here. We always say all the panels are great. Its not true. Sometimes we lie. This is a truly great panel. Smart, funny. Oh, come on. Youre also my most recent panel. You look at the tension, right . You can feel it. We played that clip for not what was said, but for what wasnt said, which is pence is i feel for him. Hes in there. Hes trying to bring it together. He wants to respect the person who asked the question. He wants to respect the popular governor. This is a hard spot for mike pence, and he is looking out for a career that could last longer than Donald Trumps career as a republican potentially. Thats exactly right, ari. Thats what makes it so hard. Hes constantly twisting himself into a pretzel. He knew this challenge was going to be there. Theres nothing thats changed since when mike pence took the position of running as vp to today, so he was walking into it. He knew he had a tough job to do. I think the trump folks were hoping hed be able to give more to the ticket, maybe even it out more. But again, donald trump with what hes done in the last three weeks has made it almost impossible for governor pence to do what his job. Katy, speak to the politics of that because the running mates do matter. Susan is basically saying, look, if you get asked to go open for kanye west and go on that tour, you know whats going to happen on that tour. Theres going to be excitement, but also tough days. Is that right and did mike pence make the right bet here . A vp candidate brings you two things. Trouble and their home state. In this case, were not everyn e sure hes going to deliver indiana for donald trump. The truth is i think it is very clear this was a pick that donald trump made to get him through the convention. He picked a very conservative candidate, somebody that those on the Convention Floor would embrace and celebrate. It would comfort them to feel like he was going to, you know, sort of act like a republican come fall. Trump has largely sort of forgotten mike pence since the convention and has kind of moved on. Mike pence has made a bed he has to lie in. I think hes doing the best job he can under the circumstances, but i dont think this was a great choice for mike pence. It all sounds like it is so much under duress. Marco rubio from the primaries was recently pressed on squaring the statements hes made about trumps competence and his honesty with supporting him. Take a listen to this, mark. Okay. Look, i told you guys. I have stood by everything ive ever said in my campaign. That said, were in a different place now. Now we have a binary choice. There are two people in the world that are going to be the next president , either donald or hillary. What i wonder is whether trump could have done a better job trying to bring some of these people in so it wasnt just so raw. You think . I think he sabotaged himself throughout the whole primary process. He ran everybody down, made jokes about everybody. I agree with what you said about pence, too, susan. I think thats why he made the choice. I think it was a very practical choice to make. Hell get some more publicity out of it and more name recognition, but trump has forgotten about him. He is going to overshadow whoever he has a running mate. He seems to be kind of man alone on an island, a very bad standup, not getting any kind of responses. The democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, is not actually having such an easy ride of it either when it comes to her trustworthy numbers. The governor of New Hampshire yesterday, i believe it was, was asked three times she is running against kelly ayotte for the u. S. Senate is Hillary Clinton trustworthy. She would not answer the question. She ducked it three separate times. Hillary clinton does have her problem when it comes to certain issues and people who are trying to get behind her in certain races. You dont feel like her Vice President ial candidate is spinning off on its own. Thats what we were saying. Lets be clear here. Neither candidate here is perfect. These are the two most unpopular candidates in american history. I just really want to stand up for kanye west first. Bridge too far comparing him to donald trump. Why . I am pro music. Unpredictable. Rambunctious. Im not going to shed new tears for him because he did take a bailout. I think trump is like the Kim Kardashian of politics. Hes a brand without any kind of real i trust Kim Kardashian more with the presidency than donald trump. Maybe Hillary Clinton to at least some republicans is more like the bob dillon. Whatever you have done and whatever respect we can have for the service you have provided, youre not where you used to be. What do you think of those attacks . I think those attacks will backfire on him. Do you think theyre sexist . Yes. I do too. Where they will backfire is with women. If he goes down that route of attacking her stamina, attacking her personal life, the people hes hurting the most right now are women. Right. Those suburban women romney voters are slowly turning their backs on him and i dont think thats going to work. You think it is not only wrong, but dumb. Its dumb, yes. The panel stays. 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Theyre talking about hot spot type issues whether it be terrorism, nuclear proliferation, geopolitical issues as opposed to the president of the United States who gets a more tactical brief. This is a very different type of a briefing, ari. Who does the nominee get to bring with him . How many people from the fbi typically are there . How much back and forth or questioning is there . Does the nominee shape the briefing or not . Yeah, so the briefing will be done in an fbi facility. But it will likely be done by the office of the director of national intelligence, which oversees the 16 intelligence agencies in the United States, intelligence community. It will be several hours likely, and there will be some exchange back and forth. It really is going to be dictated by the candidate. The candidate may have some advisers with him tomorrow, and those advisers will be folks he brings along with him. I dont think theyll be limited. Those people will have to be read in, get some type of security clearance for the day. Theyll be advised they cant use this type of information outside of that facility because again it is classified. One of the big challenges is going to be to compartmentalize that information. It is difficult for those in the government to remember when they have heard something in a classified manner. You focus more on the substance than the optics, but how important is it for donald trump, as we would say in the olympics vernacular, to stick the landings on these, that he walks out in a manner that helps the public, that he is being president ial and responsible . Do you see these formal traditions as a part of that process for him as a candidate . These go back to the truman administration. You mentioned that earlier. It is about getting the candidates prepared. Theyre going to be going into the debates. The American People needs to hear what the candidates think about particular National Security issues. Theyre on the campaign trail. This is really about getting them prepared. When they come out, theyve got to be careful. They want to address the issues that are important based on the risks and the identified threats, but they dont want to reveal anything that could jeopardize american sources and methods and the way we collect intelligence. Thats the big challenge. Shawn henry, thank you for your time tonight. Thank you. Up next, donald trump attacking Hillary Clinton in that big speech, but perhaps more interesting the New York Times reporting that former fox news chief ceo roger ailes is going to be involved in prepping donald trump for the debates. Is this a good idea . The hot panel will weigh in next. Lets feed him to the sharks squuuuack, lets feed him to the sharks yay and take all of his gold and take all of his gold ya and hide it from the crew ya. . 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U work from Martin Omalley who ran against Hillary Clinton. There is this thing, the numbers bear it out, where there is incredible skepticism toward her even among democrats, whether you call that clinton fatigue or something about the way she presents or as her allies say as she has faced a strenuou 30year campaign, is this working off trumps popularity . I dont think theyre going to be able to move her personal trust numbers much, but i think what theyre trying to bank on and what theyre going to promote is that she is a person you can trust with the nuclear codes. She is a person that you can trust to fight for middle class families. She is the person that you can trust to go out there and fight relentlessly every day and never give up. You sound a little talking pointy. Maybe i do. If we were at a dinner and you were talking like that, i would be like who is this person. It is only because you didnt do uh or i think at all. So clear. Because i think that is the reality. That is the reality here. I understand what youre saying about what she wants to say about herself. I think this is a referendum election. If it is a referendum on donald trump, Hillary Clinton wins. If it is a referendum on Hillary Clinton, donald trump wins. Donald trump doesnt have the discipline to stay on message five days a week. Exactly. Theyve burned in a message in pennsylvania and north carolina. Why theyre moving out of virginia is they burned this message that he is not trustworthy. It is not that she is. It is just hes not. I want to let clinton off the hook with these numbers. I want to show the facts here. You remember that song all of this above . Im not going to make you sing it. Thank you. Well do it later. Thats not the Hillary Clinton situation in these numbers. When you ask about how you would describe clinton, when you ask people, 42 personality, temperament to serve, 23 cares about people like you, 20 shares your values. None of the above 52 . The opposite of all of the above. I dont quite get it frankly. Im not going to trash all the poll numbers, but i will say when i was in high school in college youre going to say rigged system. No. I used to do some of these political polls. You call up. If you didnt get a certain number done by the end of the night, you were kind of in trouble, so i think sometimes some of the numbers can be a little bit odd. You find of like sometimes rush through and falsify i hate to say this, but there was a little bit of mischief that happened with all that. I dont understand the trustworthiness problems with her. I think it may be more fatigue. But you dont have a problem with her being ahead in the poll against trump . That number is good . Right. Youre absolutely right. I worry about i vote by the tnumbers. Its only august, even though the numbers are the way that they are. Mark . I think its conditioning. Part of that is a fatigue. Theres so Much Negative about her. Its been out there for the past 25 years. You talk about songs. I work in radio. You hear a song on the radio you dont like. The Radio Station keeps playing it. In a couple of weeks youre singing it. I must like this. And thats her. I will also say and some people poopoo this, but i think history will judge this whole ordeal as sexist. I think theres scrutiny that others dont. When women are too ambitious, what are they called . What are think referred to . How are they disdained . I worked for a woman candidate in the senate. It was one of my first jobs in government. I remember people coming up to me going ive heard shes really hard to work for. I was like all the senators are hard to work for. Theyre u. S. Senators. Have you met them . It wasnt untrue that some of the senators were demanding, but it is like only the women senators are demanding. It is a double standard. But heres part of the problem. The next president of the United States will not be liked or trusted by the american public. That is the dynamic that this race is running under. I feel like youre changing the subject. I dont feel that way. Do you think theres a double standard against hillary right now . Absolutely. Theres no question about it. Hillary clinton, if she would have said half of what donald trump said and called it policy, she would have been killed. She would be roped out of there. Theres a double standard on a lot of different things. Shes being treated different from donald trump and donald trump is promoting when he says she doesnt look like a president , hes saying shes a woman. Look at her and a woman shouldnt be president. All i was going to say is look at him. Then what i was going to say was is whats interesting about gender and both of you were saying about strong women, i remember women being antiHillary Clinton when she was running for senate because she didnt leave bill. I feel like she gets all this angst based on what he did. We have to fit in a break. Well come back to it. The panel stays. Still ahead, the reports i mentioned earlier of trump bringing on roger ailes as a key debate adviser, which the campaign has started to deny. What role might he play . Stay with us. Your grandkids spot a 6 foot banana that you need to win. In that moment, youll be happy you partnered with a humana care manager and got your health back on track. Because that banana isnt coming home with you until that bell sings. Great things are ahead of you when your health is ready for them. At humana, we can help you with a personalized plan for your health for years to come. I have an Election Program alert for you. Tim kaine and his wife will sit down with Savannah Guthrie for their first joint interview since kaine was named clintons running mate. It airs tomorrow on today. Ugh. Heartburn. Sorry maam. No burning here. Try new alkaseltzer heartburn relief gummies. 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Plenty to debate about this. Our own chuck todd did Ask Donald Trump about whether the chairman would take a role on trumps campaign. Finally, roger ailes, is he helping you . Is he advising you . I dont want to comment, but hes been a friend of mine for a long time. Some of the women that are complaining, i know how much hes helped them and even recently. When they write books that are fairly recently released and they say wonderful things about him and all of a sudden theyre saying these horrible things about him, its very sad because hes a very good person. Ive always found him to be just a very, very good person and by the way, a very talented person. Look at what hes done, so i feel very badly. My campaign is doing pretty well. The panel is back with us. We are joined by hunter walker. Susan, ill go to you first. The significance of this in republican circles. If it is in fact true and the campaign is denying it, they cant afford to get caught in a lie. The Campaign Needs to settle this in the next 12 hours because this is going to be a problem if he gets caught in a lie. That being said, roger ailes is someone who donald trump does respect. And when you bring someone with his credentials into a campaign, all of a sudden your staff dont know anything and you have this magical expert. It happens at every level of a campaign when youre doing debate prep. Theyre going to help you through this, and he will, i believe, listen to roger ailes and roger ailes is a very smart man. The allegations against him are horrendous and obviously everyone is saying thats going to hurt him with women. I dont think it will matter when it comes down to real voting numbers. Politically . Yeah, politically. If roger ailes can get through to donald trump and provide him with a great way to nail this debate, hell be a hero. Hunter . I would agree with that. If lies and Sexual Harassment charges could hurt Donald Trumps candidacy, he wouldnt have won the nomination in the gop primary. Hes already shown to be teflon to that. We have here multiple allegations that have been reported by multiple outlets. Theres an ongoing investigation. You cant put that on the level of anything with donald trump. No, but theres been negative comments hes made over the years. On his campaigning . Yes. But ailes, he pioneered a lot of the dark arts of politics that we know, including the attack the media playbook that nixon used. We now see trump using. Today we saw a bit of a new donald trump. I dont know if it was someone elses influence. I agree with some of what people said and disagree with other things. Donald trump does need someone who can tell him no. Clearly theres no one on his staff who can tell him no. Hes tapping out those crazy tweets like nobodys business. Roger ailes is obviously accused of some very horrendous and offensive things. And when donald trump has historically bad numbers with women, why would he want to associate himself with someone like roger ailes . Two, roger ailes was brilliant at making fox news a rightwing echo machine and building it up, but donald trump needs to get out of that rightwing echo machine. He needs to talk to people who can tell him how to do a broader message. [ talking simultaneously ] the counterpoint to that and there is an issue with the socalled pivot to the election, the counterpoint is whatever you think about roger ailes and the allegations against him, as a political matter it is certainly true he helped Richard Nixon reinvent himself from a rightwing caricature to a general election candidate and bush senior. But how . Southern strategy. Willie horton. The most base, icky, bad ways to go about not expanding his base. The fox news audience that roger ailes helped develop, theyre ageing white men. Youre saying were not necessarily looking at the 1988 electorate he was so good at. Were talking about fox being to the right and thats fine, but dont forget how it got developed. It was an anticlinton machine. Thats when it started. Roger ailes has devoted the last 25 years going after the clintons and developed a Network Based on that. The wealth of information in how to position them that he has that he can offer donald trump is just tremendous. I think hillary does provide a huge opening for trump because both their unfavorables are very high. Trumps just happen to be a lot higher than hers. If he is able to home in on her and focus on her, that would be really good. Hes done really well with the red meat base, but he needs to start thinking about the independents. The political judgment is theyre not admitting to this yet. Theyre trying to workshop it. We have to take our last quick break. We have more afterward. Stay with us. 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Entyvio. Relief and remission within reach. Tonight donald trump continued his attack on the media. He said they are part of the, quote, rigged system. Thats a theme hes hit before, but hes been particularly hard on the press lately. Hard enough that today one of his supporters is telling him to move on and it might surprise you who. Now youre seeing what happens when you go after the media. It doesnt work. It never works going after them if you are the candidate. It makes you look small. Besides, despite what many people think, the media isnt on the ballot. Hunter, is Rush Limbaugh correct . I have spent the last couple of days talking to Trump Campaign officials about their war on the media, and they really think it is going to work for them. And they point to really historically low Approval Ratings that the media has among the american public. Theyre sort of engaged in this weird dialogue with the media where theyre sending out these media bias offender emails regularly and theyre just going to their press list. Liz, hunter is certainly correct. The Approval Ratings for a lot of the press is really low. Its something that makes me feel bad about myself. Are you willing to take responsibility for it tonight, ari . I think thats part of the healing process is owning the problem, but also understanding my own selfloathing is my fault. Look, you can score a point or two, but you dont win a National Election over saying that somebody over there was unfair to you. Yeah, and i feel sick to my stomach, but i agree with Rush Limbaugh. Every second youre fighting the media youre not fighting your opponent. Hunter and i worked closely together in 2012 when i was the director of Rapid Response for barack obama. I spent all my time making mitt romneys life hell. Attacking the media is a losing strategy for donald trump. He was made by the media. For months, we heard how donald trump came to be. He ran his Campaign Based on free media. For him now to be attacking the very people that he basically won his primary off because they couldnt stop covering him is insane. I agree with lizs point. Why fight the media when you can fight Hillary Clinton . It is a much better way to go. Rush limbaugh, i had almost forgotten about him. Hes gotten very small in this last election, and i agree with you completely. Even by fighting the media, he still is in the media, so the beat goes on. He keeps himself newsworthy by saying the most outrageous things. The beat goes on until the break of dawn or at least until midnight. That is the end of our special live coverage. I want to thank our fun and interesting panel. That is all for im excited, as you can probably tell. Im not a very good actor. When i get excited about something, you can see it. Im excited because i got you something. We were looking in the nbc archives today, for something totally unrelated to what we found. Thats a long story. But what we came across was some footage from the president ial election in 1988. Now, you may have seen little pieces of this, little snippets of this have been sort of dug up and posted elsewhere this year, because of its relevance to whats going on right now in our politics. But what we found today was the unedited whole thing, and its nuts. I mean, everybody always says