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Now its time for the last word with Lawrence Odonnell. Good evening, lawrence. Good evening, rachel. I share those sentiments completely. You know, i kind of thought it was going to be Kamala Harris. Ive thought that for a very long time. Shes the conventional choice. It makes a lot of sense. And yet, and yet, there was still so much suspension in it. I think the Biden Campaign kind of played and built the suspense perfectly. And i thought it was coming, and it was incredibly exciting news when it came. Yeah. Thats exactly right. There was no shock factor in hearing that it was Kamala Harris because it seemed like a rational choice and we knew that she was on the short list. But it didnt leak. The only thing we heard about the vetting process from People Associated with it is that the vetting process seemed to be going well, and it was intense. Senator harris was chosen in a way that led everybody else who had apparently been under consideration to immediately come out and praise the choice. As a rollout goes, this is both smooth and well executed. But regardless, when you step back from it and the historic nature of the pick, and i think the handicappers take that this strengthens bidens chance s measurably makes this a really big day. Well have a lot of Brilliant Minds discussing this big day in the next hour. Great, thanks, lawrence. Thank you, rachel. Well, if vladamir putin and Donald Trumps postmaster general do not interfere in the election, america will elect our first woman Vice President of the United States. And on january 20th, california Governor Newsom is going to have to appoint a new senator to take the seat of the newly inaugurated Vice President Kamala Harris. California has been represented in the United States senate by two women and women only since 1993, almost 30 years. And so it doesnt seem hard to predict that Governor Newsom will appoint a woman to the United States senate seat if it is vacated by a woman. One of the women who the governor will no doubt consider for that appointment will join us later in this hour, congresswoman katie porter of california. And before she became a member of congress, law professor katie porter was appointed by the attorney general of california to monitor banking practices in the state. The attorney general at the time, who appointed katie porter, was Kamala Harris. And here is how Kamala Harris reacted to what happened to her today. It was the Lawrence Odonnell factor, theres no question about it. Well, okay. That was obviously like ten years ago, when Kamala Harris was joking on this program about how she won her first statewide campaign in california for attorney general. She appeared on an Election Special that i hosted on the sunday before the tuesday election in 2010. And that Election Special on msnbc was rerun three times. And that got her more statewide Television Coverage on that crucial final weekend than she could have possibly gotten on any local television in california. So when the final votes were counted, four full weeks after election day, and Kamala Harris won by less than 1 of the vote, she came on this program as the attorney general elect, and delivered that joke, that will have a permanent place in my greatest hits file. The longer youve been watching Kamala Harris, the less surprised you are about what happened today. I first heard about Kamala Harris from a friend of mine in california, a black woman who told me i should go see Kamala Harris speaking at an event, because i would be seeing the person she called the female obama. The first black woman president. That was my introduction to Kamala Harris when she was still the District Attorney of san francisco, and the first time i saw Kamala Harris speak, i immediately understood why people in california saw her as the female obama. And the next time i went to hear her speak, i brought my teenage daughter with me, because i wanted her to see and listen to a woman who i believe then was going to take her place in history on a much larger stage. As she has tonight. Karl rove and other republican operatives at that time ten years ago, saw Kamala Harris exactly the same way. Which is why karl rove worked very hard to defeat Kamala Harris in that first statewide campaign that she ran. And if karl rove could have just won one more percent of the vote for the republican candidate for attorney general in california in 2010, then we would not be talking about Kamala Harris tonight. Heres the way we ended that interview with Kamala Harris ten years ago. Kamala harris, attorney general elect of california, thank you for joining me tonight. Thank you. And you are invited back on the program to announce your president ial campaign in 2016 as soon as you are ready to make that announcement for 2016. Thank you very much. Im ready to get to work as a. G. , thank you. Thank you. She ran for senate in 2016 after senator Barbara Boxer announced that she would not run for reelection. Kamala harris won 61 of the vote that time. She won 54 out of 58 counties in california, and she was then a proven vote getter in the biggest state in the union. And she was perfectly positioned to spend eight years in the United States senate gaining the governing experience, and the resume credibility to run for president of the United States. But something happened the night that Kamala Harris was elected to the United States senate that was not supposed to happen. Hillary clinton lost the electoral college, and so the next opening to run for president was suddenly only four years away, not eight years away. And so Kamala Harris was going to have to think about running for president four years sooner than she would have if Hillary Clinton had won. And on the weekend after she won her senate election, when the country was still reeling from the shock that President Trump was actually going to be the next president of the United States, i saw Kamala Harris at a casual breakfast restaurant in california and she waved me over to her table from across the room. She was sitting at the Community Table with about ten other people who she didnt know. She was with her husband. Just the two of them, holding down a corner of this crowded Community Table at this crowded restaurant, where oddly enough, no one seemed to know who she was. And as i got up from my table, i thought i was just going to go over and say hi. But as i crossed the room, i slipped back into senate staff mode. I spent years on the staff in the United States senate, advising senators on governing policy and politics. And i had plenty of advice for newly elected senators. But i find myself saying something to senatorelect harris i had never said to a senator before. I didnt tell her about the best Committee Assignments or how to work with republicans, which didnt yet seem completely impossible at the time. Instead, i just said to her, you should run for president because the obama lesson is, its never too early. And the biden lesson is, there is a second place. And she nodded. She didnt say anything in reply to that, as is common with smart politicians. And i didnt expect a reply. Senator Kamala Harris ran for president on exactly the same schedule as senator barack obama, and took her first turn on the president ial Campaign Debate stage in her third year as a United States senator. And then today, after dropping out of the president ial race earlier than most of the major candidates, she came in second place. And is the democratic candidate for Vice President of the United States. She did exactly what joe biden did to become Vice President. She set out to be president and in the president ial campaign, she so impressed the winner of the president ial combination that he chose her as his Vice President ial running mate. Joe biden is a very careful man and a very careful politician. He tries to follow the best practices for professional politicians. So joe biden chose a United States senator as his running mate, as has every single democratic candidate for president since 1944, with the exception of exactly one, when Walter Mondale chose conwoman Geraldine Ferrero in 1984. So every democrat, who has actually won the vice presidency, since senator harry truman won the vice presidency in 1944, has been a United States senator. And so occupationally, joe biden made the safest, most conventional choice he could possibly make. On march 15th, joe biden told us he was going to select a woman as his Vice President ial nominee if he won the nomination. But a week before that, joe biden told me Something Else about his choice of running mate, Something Else that was a very important factor. Experience on the president ial debate stage. Exactly the kind of experience joe biden had before barack obama chose him as a running mate. In your experience, and i mean your lifetime of political experience and watching this choice made, a running mate, do you think that its important that it be someone who actually has been tested on that president ial debate stage the way i assume barack obama thought it was very important his Vice President ial candidate had already been tested at that level, as you were, standing beside him on the debate stain. I think thats a very important factor. Very important that today . Yes. Okay. By the way, theres a number of women as well that have been tested in other ways in debates in their states and being a national figure. So, you know, but yes, i think thats an important factor. And so combining that important factor with the established tradition of choosing senators as Vice President ial candidates, joe bidens declaration that his running mate would be a woman, combining all of that, the likely possibilities narrowed to senators Kamala Harris, elizabeth warren, and Amy Klobuchar. And then when george floyd was killed in minnesota, senator klobuchar came on this program and made news revealing that she had called joe biden and withdrew herself from consideration as a possible Vice President ial running mate, and then senator klobuchar said this this is a historic moment, and america must seize on this moment. And i truly believe, as i told the Vice President last night, when i called him, that i think this is a moment to put a woman of color on that ticket. And there are so many incredibleably qualified women. Senator Amy Klobuchar will be joining our discussion about this historic moment tonight, when Kamala Harris has become the first woman of color in American History to be a major partys candidate. For Vice President of the United States of america. And leading off our discussion about this historic moment are joy reid, msnbc National Correspondent and the host of the reidout. And the senior director of progressive programming at sirius xm radio, and author of the end of white politics, how to heal our liberal divide. Joy reid, i told you, i told you one hour at 7 00 p. M. Was not going to be enough for you. There were going to be these nights, there were going to be these nights where you were feeling more and you had more to say, and im just giving you the microphone. Joy, go ahead. You did say that, lawrence. I appreciate it. Its great to be on with you, as always. And look, ive got to tell you, theres a cold play song that goes ill take it back to the start. As you laid out so brilliantly going through the record, the obvious choice from the very beginning of these veepstakes, as we call them, was Kamala Harris. Shes a fellow senator. We know senators tend to like other senators and think of them as the most qualified people around. Shes ready to be president on day one. It all made sense. Even as i traveled around during the primary, people would say, just regular people on the street, we think the ticket should be biden harris. This is when harrbiden was poll near the bottom. So i it shouldnt be surprising, but the amount of time it took to get back here where it felt like this probably started, i think was excruciating for people. Everyone i know was in such agony, was so tormented over the last couple of weeks. And then, of course, biden did the smartest thing any politician could do, which is do the obvious thing. Biden was the obvious pick for barack obama. She was exactly what barack obama needed, and Kamala Harris is the obvious pick here. The other one thing ill say, beyond the obvious pick, shes also the smart pick in terms of the thing biden needs the most. He himself is maxing out the White Working Class vote. The most White Working Class votes youre going to get, hes getting them. He needs maximum enthusiasm, determination, he needs black women to not just give him 90 of their votes but to come out in record numbers the way that they did for obama. And what gets you that . The opportunity to make history with a black woman, to put this black woman into the seat of power, the center of power. Black women will be in formation for this ticket. And that is the best news possible for joe biden. Joy, i dont know how obvious a choice joe biden was for barack obama, because i actually lost a private bet about that with a friend of mine who bet that it would be joe biden. And i get against that choice. But i won todays bet with that same person. It took me a long time to win that back. On the vp. Barack obama said that joe biden nailed this decision. He said he chose the ideal candidate. Well, i think that he looked at Kamala Harris performance in the primary and said she stood up to me in the debate. She took it to me in the debate on substantive issues and demonstrated she can be the commander in chief through that vetting process. But also i think what hes saying is that i want to throw Something Back to those black voters that gave me the nomination in South Carolina and specifically those black women who are movement leaders, two are organizers, who are in the streets and doing the work. This is a signal to them that he is listening. He said he wants to be a transitional figure to that emerging majority of people of color that this country is going towards. I think that joe biden sees this moment accurately. I also think that one of the things we have to think about today is that in 2016, the shock of that devastating defeat of Hillary Clinton, we sometimes forget that we didnt do the thing. Weve never had a woman Vice President or a woman president. And so what joe biden did today is not only make history by selecting Kamala Harris to be his running mate, but he also said it up that the first woman president could be a black woman. And that is something that i am just frankly in awe of at this moment. Yeah, and joy, what got lost i think in some of the discussion over the last little while is that joe biden is seen as a as i say, hes a conservative behaving politician, meaning he will make the careful choice all the time. But in his own personal experience, lets remember he has never run on a National Ticket without a black running mate. Thats right. Thats right. Thats right. I mean, first of all, if you live in North Carolina right now you already voted for joe biden, because he was on the tick wet the one democrat that could win North Carolina in 2008, the black guy, right . This combination of a white politician and black politician has been successful in new jersey, in michigan, et cetera. So we know thats a combination that has worked electorally. But if you think about this, you know, for joe biden right now, this is also a sign that he listened. Because lets not forget that there were activists, people who have been in the activism space for decades, people like melanie campbell, people that are new to the eyes and ears of americans like latasha brown, like tiffany cross, who was one of the people who was on an oped demanding that a black woman be added to the ticket after biden had already said he would put a woman on the ticket. So the fact is that he heard this activism that was saying it was a cry out from black women saying that weve been carrying this party for decades, okay . And getting very little in return. Each Kamala Harris said that in one of the debates. When activism challenges a white politician of bidens generation, theres sometimes when you have seen politicians recoil from it. They recoiled from those demands, because they said im the expert here. Im the expert politician. In this case, biden showed a maturity. Theres age and theres maturity. He showed a maturity in saying i cannot only listen to these activists making these demands of me. Some people may be taking risks, like sunny hostin, who was in one of these opeds, and he listened to these demands who said put a black woman on the ticket and he did it. He gets credit for that. But having a member of a black sorority, these things have never happened. To let that be the perp that makes this history, it feels so much richer, and i think its something that biden can be very proud of. This is an extraordinary day. No matter what your politics are, whether youre on the left or right or center in terms of the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party has now twice made history on the most searing subject in American Life on the subject of race, and racial inclusion. The party can be proud. Biden can be very proud of what hes done tonight. Zerlina, does this choice heal the liberal divide . Well, i certainly think that it demonstrates that joe biden understands what we are going for. We are going for a merging majority of people of color like Kamala Harris who will use their experiences to make policy that puts people that are the closest to the pain next to the people in power. And that is the future, and thats really important and historic to joys point. I agree, and i think its a really exciting day. Joy reid, zerlina maxwell, i cant thank you enough for returning to children tonight, because youve both been on this a lot already today. I really wanted to hear from you leading off this discussion for us tonight, really appreciate it. Thank you both. Thank you, lawrence. Thank you. And up next, senator Amy Klobuchar withdrew from consideration as a possible running mate for joe biden and told joe biden that he should select a woman of color. Amy klobuchar got her wish today and she will join us next. T hery and she will join us next. Perfect. Youre welcome. I love it. Howd you do all this . Told ya wayfair. Lets talk dining tables. Yes blow it up. Wayfair youve got just what i need so when it comes to screening for colon cancer, dont wait. Because when caught early, its more treatable. Im cologuard. Im noninvasive and detect altered dna in your stool to find 92 of colon cancers even in early stages. Tell me more. 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After watching senator Kamala Harris on that debate stage with him, joe biden has decided Kamala Harris is going to be on that ballot. And joining us now is democratic senator Amy Klobuchar from minnesota. Senator, thank you very much for joining us tonight. And i just want to get your reaction. You came on this program, you said he should point a choose a woman of color. You told him that on the phone. You must have seen this coming. You must have. Well, first of all, im just so excited for kamala, for her family. My husband and i are friends with her and her husband. And i talked to her today and shes just going to be an incredible candidate. Most important, an incredible Vice President to work side by side with joe biden to bring compassion and to bring comp tense that we so badly need in the white house. And so, yes, it is a historic moment. And your last guests did such a good job talking about that in the historical context, where so many africanamerican women have really been like the movie said, hidden figures. Building rockets, doing great things. And finally, we have someone who is so talented on the ticket. But i really think we have to see it more than that. We have to look at her experience and ive already saw the president go after her randomly on a bunch of things and do his usual attacks with his bad words of nasty and the like. I was on fox earlier and i said, you know what . When i think of adjectives about kamala, i think of someone who is strong. As you said earlier on the show, someone who has grit. Someone who has empathy for people around her. And someone who is just very experienced in Foreign Relations with her work on the intelligence committee. And certainly as you began this segment, with justice. And thats what we need right now in washington, d. C. I want to show another clip of Kamala Harris as a president ial debate or on the debate same. She was up there with you. Youll remember all of these. This is when she was talking about President Trump as a predator, and you could hear that former prosecutor talking about this. Lets listen to this. We have a predator living in the white house. President trump has predatory nature, and predatory instincts. And the thing about predators is this, by their very nature, they prey on people they perceive to be weak. They prey on people they perceive to be vulnerable. They prey on people who are in need of help often desperate for help. And predators are cowards. When you were on the debate stain with her, were you as a former prosecutor yourself, looking over there and recognizing some of those courtroom moves . Well, sure. I mean, she actually she was in charge of the biggest Justice Department in the country, the only one bigger is the Justice Department itself. So she supervised thousands of people, which i think is great experience to bring to the white house. But she also understands a bad guy when she sees one. And thats what she was talking about there. And we continue to see this. We see someone who, instead of welcoming her to the race today, which would be a normal thing for a leader to do, he goes after her. We see someone who told us when he was nominated for president at his open convention, i alone can fix this. Then we see him spending since the pandemic started doing nothing but blaming other people. Instead of helping us to get to a solution. And i think the fact that joe biden picked someone as strong as Kamala Harris is just going to bode well. Not just for a ticket, but for our country. I want to show another clip of senator harris on the president ial Campaign Debate stage. And this time on Foreign Policy, as you mentioned. A member of the intelligence committee. She has a much more solid grounding on this, than certainly mike pence did four years ago when he was running as Vice President. He has conducted Foreign Policy since day one born out of a very fragile ego. That fails to understand one of the most important responsibilities of the commander in chief is to concern herself with the security of our nation and homeland. Senator, you know her range. Obviously on these on the issues. What are you expecting that shell be kind of charged with as Vice President ial candidates often are, by the Biden Campaign over the next 80 days . Well, i think shell be going everywhere. She will go certainly virtually many times. Most of the time. But to the midwest. And im looking forward to introducing her to the people of my state. She will be helping everywhere in the country. I think thats really important. I think what your clip got at was, of course, what shell be able to do when shes president. And hes going to need her help. We have a domestic crisis going on. Those first 100 days will be critical. Working with the congress, something she has experienced doing. Also he will need her help in working with the rest of the world. You keep showing those debate clips, i wanted you to show the ones which you dont have of kamala in the back in those threeminute breaks before debates, huddling together because it was too cold out there and telling the technicians to turn the heat up, or figuring out if we were going to be able to make it to the bathroom in time and to get back. I think the other thing the nation is going to see is that she is someone who has a zest for life. She has a family she loves, and she is someone who im proud to call a friend. Senator klobuchar, i want to thank you for joining us tonight. And i want to thank you for joining this democratic process that has produced this democratic ticket, because we all know that as competitors and athletics and elsewhere, competitors become better by facing stronger and better competitors, and i know that you helped make both of these candidates, joe biden and Kamala Harris better candidates by being in that contest with them. Thank you very much, senator, for joining us again tonight. We really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, senator. Really appreciate it. Up next, congresswoman katie porter began working with Kamala Harris when Kamala Harris when katie porter was a law professor and Kamala Harris was the attorney general of california. Attorneys general are the most important consumer advocates in State Government if they do their jobs correctly. Well ask katie porter what Kamala Harris would bring to the white house with her experience as attorney general. 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Our nurses and medical professionals in a battle to save lives. Our schools, in a struggle to safely reopen, needing money for masks and ppe, and to ensure social distancing. And the costs to our economy, to our state budget . Mounting every day. We need to provide revenues now, to solve the problems we know are coming. I spent my entire career standing mostly in a courtroom speaking five words, Kamala Harris for the people. And it was about all the people, regardless of their race, regardless of their gender, regardless of where they lived geographically, regardless of the language their grandmother speaks or the party which theyre registered to vote. That was Kamala Harris during a democratic president ial debate in november of last year. Her work for the people has included a major case in 2012, when attorney general of california Kamala Harris was negotiating a settlement with the nations biggest banks over foreclosure misdeeds. Kamala harris walked away from negotiations when the banks offered only a 4 billion settlement and she ultimately secured an 18 billion in a settlement for californians hurt by those banks. Kamala harris appointed law professor katie porter of the university of california Irvine School of law to oversee compliance of that settlement. Katie porter now represents california in congress, has worked closely with senator Kamala Harris on many legislative issues benefitting the state of california. Joining me now is congresswoman katie porter, representing the 45th district of california. Congresswoman porter, your reaction to a californian and a woman being on the ticket with joe biden . Im incredibly excited to see senator harris receive this historic nomination. Shes a fierce fighter for justice, for working families, and really excited about what this means for our country going forward. I could not be happier tonight to celebrate this historic nomination and welldeserved spotlight on all that senator harris has done and all that she will do in upcoming years to serve the american people. You know, i think a lot of voters arent really aware of just how big the job of consumer advocate and protector is for state attorneys general, if they take that job seriously. Tell us what you saw in Kamala Harris work in that office, as the state attorney general of the biggest state that she will bring into the white house, that can benefit consumers in ways that they might not anticipate . Attorneys general have incredibly important roles, particularly in a large state like california. The attorney general has very broad jurisdiction. So one of the things i observed, just as a citizen of california during this time, was the degree to which kamala was grappling with all the different kinds of problems and challenges that our state was facing. With regard to Consumer Protection and mortgage settlement, the fraud, the scams and foreclosures hurting california, she showed incredible courage in standing up, not only to the big banks, but being willing to push her fellow attorney generals to get a better deal for families from the big banks. And she importantly understood that justice isnt about what you announce in a press conference. Its about the real change that you deliver in peoples lives. And that was the work that im honored she tasked me to help her do, to deliver the settlement to meaningful change in peoples lives, really helping them keep their homes or get help. If vladamir putin and the postmaster general and President Trump do not succeed in stealing this election, the polls tell us that Kamala Harris will be Vice President of the United States on january 20th, which means california is going to need a new appointed senator appointed by the governor. Are you available . Are you interested in moving across the Capitol Grounds to the United States senate . Well, its really flattering to hear you, lawrence, as a Longtime Senate staffer to ask that question. You know what it takes to serve in the u. S. Senate. I will tell you there is so much work to be done in the house. Our country is in crisis. Economic crisis, people are worried about their health. I have a very competitive race on my hands, and im working really hard to listen to the people of Orange County and california and of this country. And im very, very excited to be helping to elect the historic Vice President Kamala Harris and joe biden as the next president. What would you say that youve seen of Kamala Harris that we havent yet seen in the president ial campaign that she participated in so far . What might we see that we havent yet seen . I think youre going to see shes very fierce, shes willing to do battle. Her slogan when she ran for attorney general was fearless for the people. And she really is. She takes that mantle of Public Service very, very seriously. I think youll see the depth of knowledge and chiommitment she s to right wrongs and talking about leaving the president our country is in. Congresswoman katie porter, thank you very much for joining us on this historic night. Really important for you to join us. Thank you. And when we come back, White House Correspondent and president ial campaign veteran and white house staff veteran jennifer pal herri will join us to discuss what Kamala Harris will bring to the president ial campaign and what the republicans will try to throw at her. Ry to throw at her. Hey hey man, youre here you dont trust me here in vegas, do you . Uh, well, i thought we had a breakthrough with the volkswagen. We did, yeah we broke through. Thats the volkswagen . Thats the cross sport. Wow. Seatbelts please just tell me where were going. Theyre going to be paying for this for a long time. 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In our america, people who hold the highest levels of leadership should be in the business of unifying our country, not dividing our country, and as far as im concerned, weve got a president who is not trying to make america great. Hes trying to make america hate and we need to get rid of him. That was senator Kamala Harris on the president ial campaign trail in South Carolina last year. Joining our discussion now, White House Correspondent for pbs news hour, and msnbc political analyst. And former White House Communications director for president obama and for Hillary Clintons president ial campaign. Jennifers new book is she proclaims, our declaration of independence from a mans world. Yamish, what are you expecting the Trump Campaign to throw at Kamala Harris . Well, the trump sccampaign a the president have started talking about the president saying they see her as radical left. They talk about her stances when it comes to immigration, to frak i fracking, that shes going to abolish the police. The trump began their attacks with a misleading statement. They said that Kamala Harris called joe biden a racist, and she never did that. She also never called for abolishing the police as a former prosecutor. Whats interesting here is that there are black lives matter protesters who are looking at her as a prosecutor saying maybe she isnt progressive enough. The other thing we should note is the president just in a few minutes of a briefing called her nasty three times, using that really gendered word to describe her. Saying she was disrespectful to Justice Kavanaugh and joe biden. So we can expect the Trump Campaign to be dirty in this fight, but thats part of why President Trumps supporters like him. They like his brash band of politics. Well have to see if it works out this time. Lets take a look at the ad karl rove used to try to stop Kamala Harris ten years ago. Te my son was killed in the line of duty with an ak47 by a gang member. Even before his burial, Kamala Harris refused to seek the Death Penalty against his killer. Tell Kamala Harris, californias worst criminals deserve the toughest punishment the law allows, no exceptions, no excuses. Jennifer, were going to see more of that. Right. And you saw two things happen today, on the trump side. They did the ad where they called phony kamala and sleepy joe. Phony is a very gender term that we use to present women with women in power in an unfavorable light, right . Theres something fake about them, theres something theyre hiding, theres something suspicious about them. Its a very old trope. You saw trump go down the nasty, nasty woman sort of rabbit hole, as he did with hillary. And there are some times where trump or his Campaign Staff can be disciplined and effective in the way that they attack their political opponents and there are some times where trump goes into a gas fire roll. He starts off calling her nasty and mean, that is not a disciplined attack. It is not very pleasant for Kamala Harris, but i dont know that that is going to be effective for him. She is prepared. The Biden Campaign is prepared. They know that theyre coming after her, in particular, and trying to make her the face of the radical left. There will be sexist tropes against her, too. A lot of people have been planning in and outside of the Biden Campaign to have her back and fight back this time. Bernie sanders is going to be very surprised to discover that Kamala Harris is the most liberal member of the United States senate, according to donald trump tonight. Yamiche alcindor, jennifer, stay right there. We need to squeeze in one more commercial and when we come back well show more of what to expect for Kamala Harris as she runs for Vice President of the United States. Is as she runs for Vice President of the United States. 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He has been selling out the american people, the working people, our values, national security. He has been selling out our democracy. Donald trump needs to be held accountable. He is, indeed, the most corrupt and unpatriotic president we have ever had. Back with us, Yamiche Alcindor and jennifer palmier. What is it with donald trump and nasty . Ive seen him throw that word directly at you in White House Press briefings many times. Why does he keep doing it . Does he think thats the word that won him the presidency . I think, in part, its that he is dog whistling, as crit beings would say, to his base, who maybe sees women as part of the problem. Thats what critics of President Trump would say. I also think theres another part of him that is objective, that he is someone to likes to get personal. He called her mean, disrespectful. He went after her character, also called her a liar which, of course, is really somewhat ironic coming from President Trump, because he has been someone who has misled and said so many things that are not true. He started off by really trying to go personal with senator harris. I sat down with senator harris a couple of times. One thing she told me is that her mom, when she would get into mix ups at school, she would say what did you do . She wouldnt coddle her of the she wanted her to understand the power she had. Those clips there is senator harris showing i have power. Prosecute the case against donald trump and thats what were going to see in the leadup to november. Jennifer, as a campaign professional, i want you to give us a score of how the Biden Campaign handled this rollout and that final reveal of the Vice President ial candidate. I think its been great, right . People are amazed that it didnt leak and, you know, the thing is, though, the only person who could leak is joe biden, because its not until he actually picks up the phone and makes that phone call to Kamala Harris and says were done. Its not really done. They managed to get through pretty public process. But we feel like coming out of that process, democrats feel like they got the best candidate. They got the woman who is ready to be president on day one, most important thing. They got someone who is going to round out the ticket and help in terms of politically. It shows a level of maturity on biden in making his selection. I want to see them as a team now. If i worked for the Biden Campaign, i would be very aware of the fact that in the next six days between now and the start of the democratic convention, the Trump Campaign is going to try to paint her as the radical left and have that attack stick to her in a way it hasnt to biden. And here is a new team. Theres something when the two parts come together and create a new vision, you see like the two generations together, thats going to be powerful. I want to see it over and over again, the two of them together. And the Biden Harris Campaign has that on the schedule for tomorrow. They will appear together tomorrow afternoon. Thank you both for joining us tonight. We really appreciate it. Thank you. And that is tonights last word. The 11th hour with Brian Williams starts now. Well, good evening. Once again, day 1300 of the trump administration. 84 days to go until our president ial election, and 57 days to go until the Vice President ial debate between mike pence and Kamala Harris, which