0 half years ago. this is a really, really bad thing when it happened. it is still out of control right now. just for some perspective. that does it for us tonight, we'll see you again tomorrow night from our undisclosed location on the road that you probably are already figuring out in your mind. right now, it is time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell, have a great night. wayne lapierre says the only way to protect children in their schools is with a gun. well, it is not the only way. meet antoinette tuft. >> he said that no one loved him. and i told him that i loved him and that it was going to be okay. >> the school employee in georgia talking down a gunman. >> and that it would be okay. >> the man armed with 800 rounds of ammunition. >> more than 800 students had to be evacuated. >> tuft talked to the gunman, man slipped in, had been buzzed in. antoinette described her first encounter with the shooter. >> he came in with the gun drawn, he said i'm not playing, this is for real, this is not for show. he had a look on him, that he was willing to kill. as a matter of fact, he said it. >> antoinette knew she had to keep the man occupied. at this point, the school was on lockdown, and police were on scene. she called the 911, and the 911 call released today captured what happened in the final 14 minutes of the encounter. >> what is the emergency? >> yes, ma'am, i'm on second avenue in the school and the gentleman said tell him to back off, he is going to start shooting so tell him to back off. >> do not let anybody in the building -- including the police. do not let anybody in the building, including the police. >> okay, stay on the line with me now. where are you? >> i'm in the front office. >> he just went inside and started shooting. where can i run? >> can you get somewhere safe? >> yeah, i got to go. he is going to see me next. oh, hold on. >> put the phone down. >> antoinette did put the phone down, but she did not hang up the phone, she stayed on the line with 911. she later told reporters that the gunman ran out of ammunition when he fired those shots. he came back in the office and started to reload in front of her with ammunition he brought in a book bag. 500 rounds of ammunition, according to police. but with no weapon, antoinette, completely unarmed, continued to try to talk him down. hello? yeah. i'm going to tell you something, babe, i was scared for my life. >> but you did great. >> oh, jesus! >> you did great. >> oh, god. >> joining me now or msnbc's krystal ball, "the guardian's" anna marie cox. frank, this is a scene that wayne lapierre said we would never see. >> lawrence, i think antoinette tuff puts the national rifle association and dirty harry all to shame. they pedalled this myth that only a guy with a gun can stop a guy with a gun. and this proves that is not the case. there are times when the shooter needs to be stopped. there are very few actual cases that that occurred. and this demonstrates the public safety in our schools that needs to be talked about. >> and krystal, police were on scene fast enough. and they were on the scene fast enough to go in there with guns and intervene, and we have no idea what would have happened if they had. >> right, that is exactly right. and god bless antoinette tuff, what an incredible woman. we can't always count on there being an antoinette tuff to be in the school, to be able to make that call. it is unfortunate, that we have a system where guns are so prevalent, where they have proliferate proliferated so much in our society, that they can show up, a mentally disturbed person with an ak-# 447, and have to rely o this, for those children, just an unbelievable situation. >> anna marie, the nra has made sure that the aspiring murderers are equipped with the weapons, such as he had in the school. >> they want to make antoinette tuff as effective. also, if teachers are in that kind of negotiation and that kind of way of talking to students, that does a lot of good in other situations. not just talking down a gunman. >> i was looking at the national education statistics. it is true that schools are one place in our lives that the presence of guns are decreasing, measures such as metal democrat detectors, and schools are reporting that they are more safe. >> the background, the shooter, michael hill, carrying an ak-47, two bags of ammunition, a rifle, he has prior felony arrests, threatened to shoot his brother, he is on three year's probation. and frank, this is the kind of guy who the nra says oh, we don't want to have a gun. but he has shown us how easily it is for his criminal record, with his mental instability to get his hands on whatever he wants. >> and on top of that, i've been monitoring the nra twitter feeds. and they have said next to nothing about this case. it doesn't fit within their world view, that they can't process it. they are saying absolutely nothing or next to nothing about this particular incident that has the attention of the rest of the nation. because they have no response. they don't know what to say. >> and krystal, if this had been the worse case scenario, and we saw 26 bodies or more coming out of that school, you know, we would obviously bring a kind of saturation coverage, all the cable news channels would have stopped. as soon as i heard that this was stopped, nobody was harmed, i thought we have to bring as much attention to this in this program tonight as we would if some of those kids in that school had not survived. >> that is exactly right. and not only should we bring attention to it on the platforms we have. but we also need to pressure the legislators in the way that we did after sandy hook. i mean, it is unbelievable that we couldn't even pass a background check bill in the wake of sandy hook. >> you know, for the parents in that school today, it is something of a miracle. it is luck that their kids came home safely. >> it is luck, i guess i do believe in providence. i don't believe it was just luck. it sounds to me like there was a reason that antoinette tuff was there. this is what we need to train teachers in. this is what -- if the nra wanted to use sandy hook as an excuse to say we needed to train teachers and arm them and shield our schools with weapons, what we need is teachers who know how to talk to people, administrators who need to know how to talk to people. this is the thing that could actually save more lives because it would not put more weapons into the equation. >> and frank, it shows that there is a kind of empowerment you can bring to school administrators and teachers in situations like this, without them strapping guns on their hips. >> absolutely, if you have armed guards with the teachers in schools, it creates a terrible environment for learning, and undermines the goals you're trying to achieve. and divides the community. what anna marie said, they have teachers that should be able to talk through and avoid violence and cool things down, as opposed to escalating them. that is something the nra doesn't understand. >> and the video, showing the parents getting their schools today, is that a guy was in the school with 500 rounds. he had no trouble getting that. he had a weapon that could have wiped out hundreds of kids. he was in there, and you know, it is something of a miracle that those kids were able to go home. how can you feel good as a parent? well, there was a gunman in there today, but he didn't kill anybody, so let's all just go back to school in this happy country where a gunman gets to walk into school. >> that is exactly right, any sense of safety that the parents had before has certainly been shattered. because there is nothing to keep another person, another mentally ill person from bringing another ak-47, and ammunition into a school with 500 rounds of ammunition. and as anna marie said, thank god that antoinette tuff was there, but we should not have to rely on having that kind of person in the school, and having to rely on that. >> these parents could have been mobilized. >> yes, krystal ball, anna marie cox, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. coming up, wayne lapierre was actually right when he warned gun owners about a huge data base that was tracking everyone in america who owned a gun. but he did not warn them that the nra was keeping that data base themselves. we have the reporter who exposed the nra's big data on gun owners, coming up. and later, the american journalist who appeared on russian tv to talk about bradley manning and then refused to talk about anything but russia's oppressive anti-gay laws. and the son of the man who inspired the film, lee daniels, "the butler" will join me on the screenwriting of that film. my insurance rates are probably gonna double. but, dad, you've got... 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