0 >> two military bases in kentucky, wow, that will shut down chris christie. rand paul obviously doesn't know that new jersey has eight military bases, six more than kentucky. but even that is not enough for new jersey to actually make a profit from the federal government the way kentucky does. chris christie thinks that rand paul's thoroughly ignorant attacks on him have turned personal. and that is okay with chris christie. >> i got nothing personal against senator paul, if we disagree on certain issues, we disagree. his response seems to be he has something personal against me, but that is okay. >> joining me now, former white house press secretary robert gibbs, and analyst steve schmidt. so robert gibbs, obviously, chris christie has got nothing carolina, exactly where you got to start off your presidential campaign and that line -- for chris christie is not going to work in those states. >> well, who knows if it works or doesn't work in the states? i think that what works for chris christie, you saw it play out, lawrence, the absolute fearlessness in talking about the issues. you see him standing behind the podium. he is a major league political talent and i think he man-handled him. both are going to run for president, i don't think rand paul looked too great in the last two days, seemed a little mealy mouthed to me. as you look at what happens between the libertarian party, the conservative wing of the party we'll have a monumental debate for the future of the party. and i think these two will be at the center of it. >> rob, steve makes a very good point about the character of chris christie's reply. i'm going to stand here and fight, and maybe the details are not going to be what matters to the voters in south carolina. he does have an issue. i think that probably most republicans in the primary states believe that new jersey is some kind of drain on the federal treasury. >> well, look, even if you -- earlier in that clip, he says this started because i was asked a question and i just -- when people ask me questions i just give plain, simple answers. i think that is why steve talks about him being such a major league talent. he was also quick in that press conference to say i think several times, i don't represent washington, i'm not in washington. you know, he has walked away from being washington. so steve also said, this is the beginning of the -- the argument that we'll see that i think will play out for quite sometime, and that is conservatives and libertarians, and where they clash on certain issues, particularly around national security and privacy. and a lot of things i think that will be interesting to watch play out over the next two years. >> i want to play something that the last paul presidential candidate said in a republican debate when asked about foreign aid and specifically foreign aid to israel, let's listen to that. >> congressman paul, would you cut aid to israel. >> i would cut all foreign aid, i would treat everyone equally and fairly. >> so steve schmidt, that is part of why rand paul ended up with 8%, i think vote and delegates going into the republican convention. and as long -- and rand paul is saying for things like hurricane aid, sandy aid to new jersey they should have just taken it out of foreign aid to pay for it. that is where the paul family always goes for the money. but that is also the kind of approach in republican primary that leaves you in the end with nothing really to trade on at a convention. >> no, look, at the end of the someday, if you're running to be commander-in-chief in a difficult, dangerous complex world. talking about ending foreign aid for every country in the world just -- displays a stunning naivete about america's role in the world. and i think there is a consensus in both parties that that is the idea that is pretty far field from the main stream of american politics. rand paul's top strategic challenge is to the degree to have he is able to distance himself from his father. but if he is going to run as a diet coke version of the old man he is going to have a very, very difficult time in a republican primary. he is trying to mainstream himself. he had a very difficult month with the wacko who was on his staff, the southern avenger, and if you're running for president you can't carry people like that with you in close proximity. it it very disqualifying. i don't think he has had a very easy month. it will be interesting to see if he has the talent to play at the level that he is seeking to go to next. >> well, you know, robert, i have to say i thought rand paul in the primary debates when you got into the foreign policy stuff he was very well grounded. it was within the american politico rth -- i don't get that feeling when rand paul ventures into the territories, he feels like he is a much shakier public speaker than his father was. >> well, it will be interesting to watch this evolution. because maybe partly what goes through his mind when he gets these questions -- >> he is trying to do the calculations like his father never did. >> yeah, he is trying to just run into the breach, it is clear when you watch rand paul if he gets way too far out on this, his father on national security, he is never going to broaden his base, never be a serious competitor. he will have a very hard time raising money in the republican primary, and he will never be a major factor. >> don't mess with new jersey is the lesson, steve schmidt, thank you both for joining me. coming up, a challenge offered today. you will hear it in the president's own words. and in the rewrite tonight, what would happen if mcdonald's didn't just raise wages? what would happen if they doubled the wages of the workers at mcdonald's? all the workers who create those profits. how much would a big mac cost? the answer is yeah, you could still afford one. and we'll have the latest on the campaign, with ari melber. and we'll get a little help tonight with a 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[ female announcer ] made just a little sweeter... because all these whole grains aren't healthy unless you actually eat them ♪ multigrain cheerios. also available in delicious peanut butter. healthy never tasted so sweet. we're not lacking for ideas -- we're just lacking action, especially out of washington. if folks in washington really want a grand bargain, how about a grand bargain for middle class jobs? how about a grand bargain for middle class jobs? i don't -- i don't want to go through the same old arguments where i propose an idea and the republicans just say no because it is my idea. i'm willing to work with republicans on reforming our tax code as long as we use the money from transitioning to a simpler tax system for a significant investment in creating middle class jobs. that is the deal. >> with 1,270 days left in his presidency, president obama went today to an amazon shipping facility in tennessee to offer a new deal to congressional republicans. >> the good news is, there are a growing number of republican senators who are trying to work with democrats to get some stuff done. that is good news. the bad news is, that rather than keep our focus on what should be our priority, which is growing our economy and creating good middle class jobs, we've seen a certain faction of republicans in congress, hurt a fraction of the economy saying they wouldn't propose a bill that congress racked up in the first place, threatening to hurt the public getting rid of obama care. >> joy, another week, another president on the road. you can feel that he is very mindful of that 1,270 days, he mentioned the number of days he has left, he is counting every one. >> and you have to love his enthusiasm. this is a president that understands he won't get anything through the house of representatives. you notice he says there are some senators who are trying to work with him and trying to pass legislation. the house is doing absolutely nothing and he is really now leaning on his executive authority, understanding that he probably can't get another big thing done with this congress. and he said in one of the interviews, look, they think i usurped my authority. >> he also understands that he is in one of those jobs where not only can you not give up, you can never appear to even consider giving up. and that is what you see out there today with that speech. and at minimum, he is identifying for voters where he believes the problem is going forward. and it is not in the white house. >> right, this is -- i think you read today's speech as part of a process. he will continue to give the economic speeches, laying out his vision, his ideas, his proposed policies. he will point out that many of them were republican proposed policies at one point. but you know, corporate tax reform, which he proposed today will be like everything else. you know, the republicans for years say you know, we got to do this, got to do this, got to do this. and then obama says let's do it. and they say no way we're doing this. so it is clearly -- joy is right, it doesn't look like anything is going to actually happen. >> and max bacchus, has been able to work previously with the ranking republican member there, orrin hatch, on exactly this kind of thing. and they would of course, not be terribly controversial to allow some of the revenue to go to purposes other than just reducing rates. but now, it is very difficult for senator hatch who was there back in the day when republicans were there, willing to do that. >> and even going back further than that, bob dole, the eisenhower policy, reducing the corporate tax rate, which was 3% over what paul ryan was asking for in the last election. it was also the rolling, the spending if you want to call it into republicans going back to the '50s, the road infrastructure, through good, hard work that americans could do, good, honest work, and even the idea of funding it into community colleges. they say oh, they just want to pour money into the colleges, well, obama is saying no, let's put it into community colleges. you know, lawrence, i'll be honest. the speech i wish barack obama would give is tell the american people send me a congress in 2014 that will build a road or a bridge. send me a congress that will spend money on your kid. i didn't run my last campaign, in next campaign, my last campaign is in 2014. >> well, gene, isn't that exactly where this speech is going and he really is just looking at the calendar and feeling that it will feel premature to the voters and to phrase it that way. >> i think like a good lawyer he is laying the foundation for the eventual call, looking for a different congress in 2014. we may have different speeches, different speeches on different topics down the road. but ultimately i think that is where it leads. >> let's listen to the president talk today about what he calls the republicans jobs plan. >> i have got to tell you, just gutting our environmental protection, that is not a jobs plan. gutting investments in education, that is not a jobs plan. yeah, they keep on talking about the -- an oil pipeline coming down from canada. that is estimated to create about 50 permanent jobs. that is not a jobs plan. wasting the country's time by taking something like that 40 meaningless votes to repeal obama care is not a jobs plan. that is not a jobs plan. >> joy reid, there is a campaign sound to that part of the speech. >> i think that is the obama i'm rooting for. because he doesn't say things like if we just put our nose to the wheel we can get this job done, no, congress is trying to repeal obama care 40 times, he recognizes it as we recognize it. and i think eugene is right, saying we need these seats to get things through, let's have that. >> thank you for joining us tonight. coming up in the rewrite, what raising the minimum wage would do for workers and the price of big macs. but first, is anthony weiner's campaign for mayor really a cry for help? 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