0 dot, dot, dot, network reporters and people on tv are having a hard time saying something nice about it or positive about it. someone needs to get some medication over to msnbc really fast. because that is the opposite of the truth. look, this is the problem that they're having. they're having a hard time telling the truth about obama care. how many times was -- did the president tell us that it was going to cut costs? when it didn't. how many times did he tell us it wasn't a tax when it was. how many times did he tell us you could keep your insurance when you can't. this is an epidemic of dishonesty. and yet reporters won't report it, and poor ed schultz is saying that it's just so positive that nobody dares talk about it. >> bozell is wrong on all accounts. across the board he's wrong. hannity has now been reduced to defending junk insurance policies. and i wonder if he knows that most junk insurance policies only last about a year, when people actually figure out they look, i believe that sean hannity and fox news has done a terrible disservice to this country by misleading people on a life-saving policy such as obama care. let's face it. let's go face-to-face. come on, sean. let's do it for the country. come on. make a big fool out of big eddy. be the best promo you ever had. but you won't do t because you know i have the facts and, oh, by the way, i have the law on my side. fox news continues to spread lies and deceit about obama care, and about just how much it's going to accomplish. the latest conservative talking point is that people are getting, quote, kicked off their current insurance plans. >> insurance companies are being intimidated to keep their mouths shut about the disaster they're happening, they're witnessing, about all those kicked off. they told them just keep quiet. and we didn't know what they had in terms of leverage, steve, over these insurance companies but it's beginning to become very clear. the truth lies with the insurance company sees. >> sure. absolutely. because they're the ones who have got to provide. and it's -- there are all sorts of stories about how remember if you like your doctor, if you like your plan, keep your plan, not true. if you like your hospital, that's not going to be true, as well. because so few are going to be involved. in the meantime, the democrats and the president clearly own this now. the affordable care act is theirs, and that, brian, is why they're trying to blame everybody else. those insurers, they're cut-rate, bad apples. one of the guys -- >> that was bad they said that yesterday. when the president used that term to describe insurance companies in boston, it was essentially game on with a lot of these companies. >> absolutely. it's just like with wall street when he referred to them as fat cats. >> this is just too good. there are such things as standards in the law. so in other words, companies just can't throw out junk stuff anymore. they're defending on fox news the insurance industry and the corporations that are delivering junk policies to consumers, and they're okay with it. meanwhile, sean hannity has been trying to desperately -- has been trying desperately to protect those bad apple, low-quality junk plans. >> 3 million americans can't keep the plan if they like their plan. >> yes they can. >> no, they can't. >> they get cancellation letters. >> no, no. 2 million are getting cancellation. >> no, look, i'm going to -- >> tip of the iceberg. >> i'm going to send you -- page 34,552, and the government is predicting itself that 66% of small business plans will be gone. 45% of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013. 9 million americans. that means you can't keep your plan. >> that's because they're going to be getting a better deal! standards and lower price because of the pool in the competition. gosh, sean, i thought you were a big free market guy. i thought you liked competition. sean hannity seems to really want americans to have crappy health care plans. consumer reports analyzed a number of low-quality plans. this is what a sean hannity junk insurance plan would look like. let's take $450 a month. this is a good junk plan that "consumer reports" found. you get $100 a piece for five doctor visits a year. $50 a year for screenings and tests. $1,000 a day for up to 30 days in the hospital. none of that -- none of this right here is acceptable under the affordable care act. because it sucks! and it rips off consumers. it's not good enough for america. all of the care that you receive is going to be more affordable and more comprehensive under obama care. and here's the kicker. here's the kicker. if you're a low-wage income earner, currently on a junk plan that sean hannity is promoting and defending, that does not have standards. you will get a cancellation notice. but your next move is this. you go jump into the exchange. and you will qualify for subsidies if you're a low-income earner to help purchase a quality plan with standards that will be better for you. that's obama care. i'll let you decide what you think is best. so -- but let's go back to sean hannity calling me a brown-noser for a moment, for being positive about the impacts of obama care. you know, he ought to be careful about who he is calling a suck-up. this is the same broadcaster who did a fair share of sucking up in a pickup truck when he rode around with former president george w. bush for a softball interview in crawford, texas. >> when i saw you, you were -- my perception was, you were totally, completely at peace. >> yeah. >> your job was done. and you seem even more at peace now. >> i am at peace. and i was honored to serve the country. i gave it my all. i have written a book that chronicles the decisions i made. and i feel -- i'm not desperate to try to shape a legacy, because i fully understand that there needs to be time for history to be able to analyze -- for historians to be able to analyze the decisions i've made. and, you know, i have -- i'm content. i'm a content guy. >> how about that? a one-on-one with the president of the united states. sean hannity, in the truck with w. never asked him about the rollout of medicare part d. i bet edward r. merle would really be excited about that one, wouldn't he? >> sean hannity would sell his absolute soul to defeat obama and obama care. and he puts no value on his journalistic integrity, if he has any. here's one more example of deceit by sean hannity. earlier this month, sean hannity had a panel on the show, panel of guests with so-called real stories about obama care, causing them all kin of harm. >> our new policy that we can have will have the same benefits to it. anything similar, though, is going to rise between, like, 50 to 72%. >> we don't even have insurance for our daughter, who has a preexisting condition. so we're looking at probably $20,000 in premiums next year. >> as business, we are jumping through more hoops, more regulation, more paperwork. and we've also cut back on hiring full-time employees, because of the health care cost involved. >> well, it turns out those real stories were simply not accurate. reporting for salon.com, eric stern conducted actual interviews of sean hannity's guests. the results revealed thousands of dollars in savings if the couples enroll in obama care. the guests with an uninsured child due to preexisting condition would receive coverage at a lower cost. the small business owners had a small enough number of employees that obama care had no effect on their company. sean hannity is spreading lies and deceit. roger a ails who is often praised about being a smart guy in cable -- how can you get a guy go on the air and get away with that crap? come on. by the way, is there a fox news standards and practices manual? no! it's not reporting, it's lying. and i think handy is doing a serious disservice to the country by saying what he is saying about obama care, because it is lie after lie after lie. come on, sean. let's go face-to-face. i'll make sure that you don't swim with the fishes. you'll be well-protected. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. is sean hannity telling the truth about obama care? text a for yes, text b for no to 67622. you can always go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. leave a comment. we'll bring the results later on in the show. now, i want to go to the reporter who did the follow-up. and this gentleman is eric stern, salon.com. eric, good to have you with us tonight. >> hi, ed. had you are you doing? >> good, sir. did you actually -- tell us your intrigue with the story that you motivated you to follow up on this, and what did you find? >> well, i called these -- i called these three couples, and what they were having was problems with the current insurance system. it wasn't obama care. it was essentially the crept insurance system. they were basically being treated like insurance companies tend -- have always tended to treat a customer, and basically getting their rates raised and they were getting the run-around. and in some cases, they didn't really have any problem. they could have a problem in the future down the road when it actually -- the law actually takes effect for them. but as it currently stood when i spoke to them, nothing that sean hannity said was really true. >> nothing that sean hannity said was really true from your journalistic standpoint on this. when obama care goes into eff t effect, will any of these families be helped? >> they will have the option to get insurance. it looks like they will have the option to get insurance for much cheaper than what they are paying. so in that respect, yes. they will actually save substantial money by buying on the exchange. >> so basically -- let me ask you, do you think they had junk insurance? >> you know, it is possible that one of the people i spoke to did have junk insurance. i mean, you could argue that all insurance offered to private individuals now on the private market is kind of a bit of a scam. i would say they probably all had problems with their plans, and yes, the new requirements of obama care will probably make them stronger plans. >> make them stronger plans. and you said something about cost, didn't you, at a better cost? because brent bozell was on with sean hannity saying that wasn't the case. that it was going to cost more. >> well, let's be clear. the plans they had, they got these letters that many persons are getting from the insurance company saying their plans are being cancelled and it was going to be replaced by a new plan that may or may not be more expensive. now that's just -- you know, that's what the insurance companies do all of the time. and have done for the last decade. raising premiums 15% a year or whatever it is. what they're doing there is, they're using the advent of obama care as an excuse to do what they do anyway, and they're making it look like they're being forced to do it and it's somebody else's fall. >> your journal -- excuse me. your journalistic final analysis is that sean hannity was not telling the truth or reporting the truth. >> he was telling -- it was about 8% of what he was saying was true. >> you've got to tell the truth in this business. eric stern, good to have you -- >> look -- >> go ahead. final comment. >> well, what sean hannity and bozell do, that's a real problem in this world. sean hannity only wants people on his show to agree with him. and he's not going to have you on, because that's what he does. he wants to talk to people he agrees with. he doesn't want to have a discussion about facts and i think it's a disservice to this country. . >> it is a disservice. it is a disservice to have that platform and be dishonest about something that is going to save lives in this country. goes back to the graphic i put up. who do you trust? consumers should not trust what sean hannity says. eric stern, good to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. coming up, from beer bongs to solo cups. republicans and the house seem to know a lot about frat parties. plus, god bless bill o'reilly. the spin master tops our friday trenders. stay with us. road closed? there's a guy... excuse me? glacier point? follow me! 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