the crisis. president obama is still in texas, and again, there's no visit planned to the border. one of the facilities housing the children. last night after meeting with texas governor rick perry, the president insisted a visit there, a mere photo op, will not solve anything. >> there's nothing that is taking place down there that i am not intimately aware of and briefed on. this isn't theater. this is a problem. i'm not interested in photo ops. i'm interested in solving a problem. >> but there's this flashback photo on the border. the president using el paso as a backdrop in 2011 to announce his pre-re-election push for comprehensive immigration reform. interesting. let's go back to the hill. the emergency aid package will cost $3.7 billion. that's nearly twice as much as the initial estimate. the white house was talking about just last week. critics wonder why it was $2 billion then and nearly $4 billion now. all of this reflects something else. competency and the polls show more than half of those asked think the administration is snot doing so well there. >> this is a problem of the president's own making. he's been president for five and a half years. when is he going to take responsibility for something? >> the president departs austin for the white house in just a few minutes. nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing has been along for the entire trip. the president talked for the better part of an hour about jobs and thechy. not the battle over the borders though. >> no, he didn't mention it until 34 minutes into the speech. then it was a lot of what we have heard before. that was what was expected. the white house sticking to script that this is a trip about the economy as well as the number of fund-raising stops. but of course it was yesterday, last night, the attention was focused on that meeting with texas governor rick perry and about ten local and religious leaders. if there's a common theme by the president about what he said today about the economy and what he has said throughout this trip about the border crisis and immigration, it's congress. pointing the finger at congress. and in fact, telling governor perry, bring your republican friends onboard. he said he's willing to consider what both john boehner and rick perry have asked for, which is national guard at the border. but he wants that $3.7 billion voted on. he wants them to look at that. look at that appropriation. getting a lot of pushback on the senate floor yesterday. it's going to be interesting to see how that senate hearing today which is just getting under way goes, but the president, again, saying that if congress had done what it was supposed to do, if they had addressed comprehensive immigration, we wouldn't be in this situation now. even as we speak, the president making one final stop before he heads to air force one. at a local barbecue joint. he's been doing this a lot, abbey. he has been on these trips that i have traveled on him with, just stopping in. he played pool and had a beer with the governor of colorado the other night. now he's staubing for barbecue, talking to regular americans saying he wants to stay in touch. he had lunch today with a university of texas student who had written him a letter. congress, he says, is out of touch, and it's about time that they moved on both comprehensive immigration reform and even before that, this emergency appropriation to deal with the crisis on the border. >> all right, chris jansing, safe travels home. and here with us now is frances wilkinson, a member of the bloomberg view editorial board and calls immigration president obama's midterm surprise. welcome to it table. you also say that the president is in big trouble by not acting ahead on this issue. and this is what you write. you say he will be lashed by anti-immigrant opponents and he'll be lashed by pro-immigrant friends as deporter in chief until he takes bold action. he's unlikely to be a popular guy anytime soon. to that i will say, we have seen so far in his presidency, this is just not in his nature to get ahead of the situation beforehand. he likes to let the dust settle to see where public opinion falls. that might work if you're a lawyer, but if you're commander in chief, you're in a bad situation. >> well, i think he's in a bad situation on this. that's partly why we have such a big proposal. i think he wants this to be a big problem. i think he wants it to be such a big problem right now that congress has to deal with it, and that the media is focused on it, and the american public is focused on it. i think he needs this border issue out of the way before he can deal with anything about deportations or easing the plight of immigrants who have been here for a long time. >> well, and to that point, there was much drama about whether or not the president would meet with rick perry, would there be a hand shake? no, we're not going to do just a handshake. we need a meeting. but i think the positioning that he came out of the meeting with was pretty smart, saelths saying rick perry is on board with taking action. now washington needs to get its act together, playing sort of the red state governors against the republicans in washington. is that going to work to help put pressure on congress? i i think he actually has some native allies in congress on this in the republican party. and he's talked about whether people want to solve the problem or people want to exploit the politics of it. if you look at the republican leadership in the house and senate, probably they want to exploit the politics of this, clear through november and beyond if they can. >> right. >> but the republican party has a very serious chunk of nativists in it that really do not want to have more immigrants coming over the border. >> and the president is proposing a lot of border security money here. >> he's appeasing them. they have an interest in seeing this stopped because they really care more about that than they care about beating up on the president, at least on this issue. >> there's also an expiration date on their current stupid talking point of the moment, which is go to the border, the border. he didn't, deal with it. he didn't go to the border. >> what now? >> we showed some of that sound of speaker boehner saying take responsibility. this is amazing coming from an individual who will not allow votes on the floor of the house to have whatever it might be, a republican proposal, a democratic proposal, the president put out a ploposal. let's have the votes and see what will happen. that's the ultimate abdication of his responsibility at speaker of the august institution. in your article, you quote a famous maxim from dwight eisenhower. if you can't solve a problem, enlarge it. don rumsfeld also liked to say that. what do you mean by that in this context for the president? >> he, first of l as i said, he needs to focus a lot of attention on that. frankly, that is part of the reason that we saw a surprise in the amount of money he's asking for. he almost doubled the amount of money, the white house itself had led people to expect was going to be asked for. i think he wanted a big splash. i think he wanted a big story and he needs a big story and a big splash in order to force a resolution of the border. he needs to get the border situation with the unaccompanied children out of the way or at least resolved to some degree, some stability there before he can turn to a lot of people who have been living in this country for a long time, and where the real pressure is from immigration activists which is stop the deportations. give people a break. like you did with deferred action for young people and students. >> of course, this issue is playing out differently because it's 2014, the midterms loom, it might be a little different. last year, next year, but right now, everybody is thinking about what's going to happen when voters go to the polls. too much leniency could rally republican voters. amnesty is sapowerful motivator for those folks. too little leniency could anger his tannpanics who democrats ne keep in their tent. one smart guy wrote if obama goes small, he disapoints his base. good he goes big, he launched in a long-term democratic advantage among hispanic voters, and this is from you, in effect risking a more miserable 2015, obama could gain a significantly less miserable one. interesting calculus. >> so he should go big? >> don't think he can go big until he's got some sort of stublth on the border with the kids. then, if i were him, i would seriously consider it because he's going to be miserable either way next year. he might as well be miserable where democrats having a long-term advantage. >> republicans aren't going to like what he does anyway. he has to make someone happy. >> if he wants to get that bill passed to get the money passed, he's got a long way to go and a lot to do to convince people. >> thanks for being here. up next, a new twist in the heartbreaking story out of georgia where the little boy was left in the car and died. we'll get the latest on that, and on that hack attack out of china targeting american workers' financial information, job history, and foreign contacts. and that's just the tip of the iceberg. there's a lots going on in the world today, and we'll get you up to speed at "the cycle" rolls on. it's thursday, july 10th. avo: waves don't care what age you are. take them on the way you always have. live healthy and take one a day men's 50+. a complete multivitamin with 7 antioxidants to support cell health. age? 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>> we may be paying closer attention. we hear these stories every year, and this georgia case in particular has certainly been getting a lot of attention, but as you mention, the circumstances in this case are very different to what we have seen. but according to kids in cars.org, there were 44 kids who died inside hot cars last year. 16 so far this year. and on average, a child dies inside a hot car every nine days, according to that advocacy group. heat stroke is the second leading cause of nontraffic fatalities among children in the u.s. >> thanks for your reporting on this, a story that is understandably getting a lot of attention. we're going to turn now to a major hack attack targeting the united states government. u.s. officials say chinese hackers broke into personnel files in march, snooping on employees who had applied for top secret security clearances. they don't know however if china's government was behind that specific attack. secretary of state john kerry played down the impact of the breach, saying it didn't appear that any sensitive material had been compromised. still, this attack combined with the recent indictment of chinese army staff for stealing data from u.s. companies makes something very clear. the future of cyber war fair isn't on some distant horizon. it's here now. we go inside the code war. and matt is here. he edited the piece. how are you? >> good. thanks for having me. >> in this article, you talk about a company that basically searches out bugs and sells them and defenses to them. in an interesting way into a big international story. tell us about that company and what it conveys about this very rapidly changing industry. >> sure, so you know, we wanted it go into the marketplace behind cyber war, so we followed a company called exodus intelligence in austin, texas. they silt in a very plain room down there and try to find bugs in software like chrome, the internet browser, or windows. when they find a bug, they type it up, and then they sell it. they can either sell it to governments, they can sell it to law enforcement, they can sell it to a company that made the bug, and there's a huge market place for these software bugs. they're a commodity. >> in order to plug them. >> some people want to unplug them, some want to exploit it. it's a completely deregulated market. >> we also have governments using them. we all know about stuxnet. our government and iran's government aren't saying anything about that. we only know how many other instanceses of this being used for political warfare. >> stuxnet was the first true cyberweapon. it was the equivalent of the atom bomb. but this is something that companies, countries, and rogue actors are planning on doing more. >> well, and as ari was pointing out, you might think our government would want to find the bugs and want to plug them up so our software could be secure, so it couldn't be exploited, but they have an interest in finding the bugs and keeping them there so they can exploit them themselves. you have a quote from ceo of a security firm called immunity. he says you have a tendency to say let's fix all the problems, but all that does is completely defang the nsa and leave all the power in the hands of our opponents. they want to keep the bugs out there to a certain extent so the u.s. government can use them. >> the more you talk to cyber security experts, the more you realize there's no such thing. and the further we go, the more we have to deal with how do we deal with this problem? and there's people who say you know, the government should regulate and fix all the bugs and people who say this is essentially, you know, an asset for us. >> which would be impossible for them to fix all the bugs. >> like baling the ocean. no way to do it. >> i find the folks behind the hacking to be fascinating. it takes a special person to get into this. you highlight some of them in the piece. one aaron portnoy who started hacking in high school and now he makes a whole lot of money doing it professionally. he's not the computer nerd who is often portrayed in hollywood. is there a type that gets into this? >> it runs the gamut. he is nothing like matthew brodrick in war games. he's a normal guy. he makes eye contact. >> he makes eye contact. >> he's not an uber nerd. of course, we have army units in china doing this, there are probably people in our government who are doing this. it's really a wide range. >> you'll never know. maybe that's why it's so scary. >> the article also mentioned 231 cyber offensives by the u.s., according to some of the snowden leaks. pretty interesting number, and that's just the floor of it. >> and the ibm put out a report recently that said the average company, the average private american company fielded over 16,000 attacks. >> jesus. >> yeah. >> so if you're watching at home, change your password. >> ten more times. >> thank you very much. from "time," appreciate it. up next, another bitter battle zone. the emmy nominations are out. did you favorite make the cut? 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>> breaking bad, true detective, and game of thrones, all of those shows took me a long time to get 92. they have all changed my life. they are incredible shows. >> i watched the whole season. how much time do i have to invest? >> at least one season. >> i'll shut up now. >> i'm in sort of a bind because breaking bad and true detective are in the same category. i'm not sure who i'm rooting for. it's really a struggle. i will say in comedy, i'm putting my money on modern family for the fifth time in a row. it's a show everybody loves. it makes everybody laugh. those are my predictions. >> you're taking a big risk on modern family. >> huge, life changing. >> abby, you know this because we share an office. i love true detective. the only bind i have is kiengd of interesting, matthew mcconaughey and woody harrelson are up against each other for best actor in a series. i think the emmys favor briyan cranston because this is the last time he can win. having said that, true detective isn't just the kind of show that made me like hbo or make the show. it made me remember why art is so amazing, because when i would sit down and watch true detective and watch mcconaughey and time is a flat circle and what is going on and who killed whom, i felt completely transported, completely out of my life. like an hour where it would end, you would wake back up and realize you're in your living room. i haven't had a show do that for me probably ever. i know some people get really into shows. the only thing that does that for me is books, so it was like like when i'm reetding a part of a book that i like and it takes a while to reorient to the room i'm in. >> when you come out of the movie theater and you're now in the parking lot. >> i would pick mcconaughey because his character is amazing. >> kind of amazing how deep that is for you. i love that. >> it's true. i had the same reaction. we bond over this. >> literally impact on you that you're transported to another world. >> and one more thing. we couldn't dvr it because i wouldn't wait for it. i know what that means. i had to see it live. as you know, there's not a lot of tv -- >> never before true detectives? >> no. >> i tried to get into it. i didn't really get into it. >> if you watched all of it, you would have the reaction that ari has. it's life changing. >> seemed like a good show. i'm sure it's not a life-changing show. >> it makes you contemplate life. >> it didn't really change your life. >> fact check. you liked it more than you think. >> sopranos didn't change anybody's life, the wire didn't like anybody's life, but you liked it, fabulous. >> one point, when you said you didn't like "breaking bad" tory was like, that was not right. you have to get with it. i love it. he's like you love it too much. >> no, no, here's the difference. we're talking about how great breaking bad is, she volunteered, i hated it. nobody asked. you asked me. you asked me, do you like true detective? i wasn't going to rain on your parade, but you asked me so now i talk about it. >> i'm on this show. >> nobody asked. >> you didn't have to jump in to be like, i hated your show. >> all right. >> i'm really curious as to what you have to say. >> um, go ahead. you have the floor. what do you have to say? what do you think on this? we're going to judge you. >> nobody asked, but i still want to hear what you have to say. >> go ahead. >> all i want to talk about is the best comedy race. i'm not sure modern family is going to do it again because they have done it so many times. a lot of times people get so many awards, they say i don't want to give you another one. i don't think lieuouie is going get it. why is orange is the new black going to be here? because they don't wasn't their two big shorts competing in the same category. it's a funny show. it's not -- >> i think of it as a drama. >> it's a fromied, but there are funny moments. look at this. >> the one where there's the cowboy and he's like, the king of the castle, and then this astronaut shows up and he tries to take over. and so the cowboy attempts to murder him, but instead, the astronaut is taken hostage by like this evil psychopath, and the cowboy has to rescue him and they end up becoming really good friends. >> toy story? >> that's it. that's it. i love that movie. >> i love that show. >> i did love that movie, too. >> you weren't laughing. >> it's a laughing inside sort of show. i wonder if it's going to get that award. a pretty great show. >> i know you don't liwatch a l of esththese shows. a show i watched last year, remember brooklyn-9-9. everybody was shocked by that. shot sure why it won last year because now it's not even on the list. >> they didn't make it at all. >> didn't make it at all. >> girls isn't on the list, either. that's one of the best shows. >> i love "girls." and maybe "brooklyn-9-9." >> "girls" is a show that got so much buzz, that the backlash happened lfr the show matured. this is one of the most complex. rebut against some of the critiques about the show about being only about privileged kids, but a lot of the critics are over it. >> i don't know how this all works. you probably know this best. something like true detective that aired a long time ago, is that going to hurt them from doing well? 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>> with all of the nsa spying revelations, it is understandable how many are feeling a little paranoid these days and apparently with good reason. surprising new theory on skythy has emerged saying what happens in the world around us may literally drive us crazy. called one of the seven new books you have to read this summer by the village voice, suspicious minds argues that madness may not just be from bad genes or a diseased brain but that the social culture that surrounds all of us plays a huge role in leading to mental illness, and there's now scientific evidence to support that theory. here with us, the book's co-author, dr. joel gold, who is a clinical associate and joins us at the table. and dr. gold, tell us how you initially realized that maybe there was a connection between the culture around us, the movies that we see, and people literally losing their minds. >> i worked at bellevue for a number of years in the city, and i treated about five guys who all thought their lives were reality television shows. and of course, this got us thinking. by we, i mean my brother and i who wrote the book about what impact culture has on our environment and our mental health. over the course of time, it was clear that it wasn't just the real housewives that might be impacting our brains but the system that we live in now, as you say. >> you specifically saw truman show type people having dilutions where they thought -- >> my life is a reality television show, like the truman show.followed. you're an actor, you're not dr. gold. you're not a psychiatrist. you're an actor. over time, we came to see, i came to realize that this was not just a one-off. this was really something kind of serious. and over the course of time, we moved from reality television and youtube to the environment of nsa and a prism and the like. >> let's talk about how that works. you talk about ethan as one affyour case studies. before he has a psychotic episode, he's reading books and watching tv shows, things that re-enforcing the idea that we live in an illusion. how does that sort of culture produce a psychotic episode or mental confusion in somebody who is predisposed to have that episode? >> that's such an important word, predisposed. for it most part, the people at the table don't walk into the movie theater perfectly well and walk out with this dilution, but if you're teetering on the brink of dilution, of a psychotic episode and you see something and it resonates or you feel something isn't quite right in my life and this movie t kind of describes what i'm experiencing, people sort of suck in the culture around them, and they fill in their dilution. in the past, it might have been the cia or the kgb, and now it becomes i'm being watched. i'm being watched. i'm being controlled. >> you do write about and talk about the fact that we all have the capacity to be insane. >> i think that all of us have both sane and insane parts of our mind, and we need to keep the craziness at bay and try to use whatever we have on the healthy side to keep it -- >> why are some triggered and others are not? >> like anything, if someone gets lung cancer. they may have spoked two packs a day or may have never spoked. so you have these risks genetically, and we don't say that the brain and genetics don't matter for anything. they do. but our environment, what we surround ourselves with, makes a difference. i think psychiatry sometimes ignores that. >> can you try to walk us through the difference, though, between the amount of dillusion that is acceptable or healthy versus a warning sign or something you have to watch out for? whether you're at a party or social media, you can have the feeling that everybody is laughing at my jokes, looking at me, and within reason, some of that might not be accurate but doesn't rise to the level of a health problem. what brings us to that border? >> if the five of us are here talking about the facebook story or again, prism or any of this stuff, no one would say these people are dillusional, but if you say, actually, innsa is run by a cuball of the queen and colonel sanders and you say -- >> that's just the truth. >> there you go. >> there are a lot of people, a lot of i would consider somewhat rational people who make those points. you thing, how can they go so far from reality? >> we all need to be away, it is important that we know the government is reading our e-mails and listening to our phone calls. there is that gray area. and what do you tell a dillusional patient who has schizophrenia and they bring the niem "new york times" to you and you say i was crazy and here they are listening to me. at that point, really, they may be ill in other ways, they're not sleeping for days at a time. they may have these other bizarre ideas, but that area, it's kind of tough to argue with them. >> it does undermine their feeling of grandiosity, that they were the only one when in fact we're all being spied on. >> dpar to say. >> dr. gold, thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. up next, a far cry from the truman show. the new summer blockbuster, dawn of the planet of the apes. storms into theaters this very weekend, and we've got your first look with director matt reeves. that's coming up next. >> i don't want a war. >> no, don't shoot! >> it's time for the your business entrepreneur of the week. jennifer beal is the founder of l.a. based clean bee baby, an ecofriendly cleaning service for car seats and strollers. she partners with brands moms already love to build awareness and celebrity. a win-win situation for everyone. for more, watch your business sunday mornings at 7:30 on msnbc. if i can impart one lesson to a new business owner, it would be one thing i've learned is my philosophy is real simple american express open forum is an on-line community, that helps our members connect and share ideas to make smart business decisions. if you mess up, fess up. be your partners best partner. we built it for our members, but it's open for everyone. there's not one way to do something. no details too small. american express open forum. this is what membership is. this is what membership does. ugh. heartburn. did someone say burn? 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>> i think, you know, i'm a life-long apes fan, and i was fascinated from the first time as a child when i saw a gorilla on horseback in the '68 film. it's kind of an amazing moment. i think there's something about this metaphor, the idea of looking into the eyes of these animals and actually looking at ourselves because the big conseat and fantasy is the animals have taken over the planet, but we're the animals. its arway of looking at our own nature and seeing it play out in this fantastical way. >> i saw it two nights ago. virtually everyone was rooting for the apes over the human beings, which was interesting. why do you think humans going to this movie and root for the apes? >> i think because -- well, first of all, i hope that they are not necessarily rooting against the humans, but there's a kind of pull i think when we go to the movies. you confront sort of your worst nightmares. one of the safe places wheria can approach our biggest fears. there's something about watching our own demise that is part of the insane kind of spectacle of genre. i think this is meant to be about empathy, and for us all to sort of hope that they also grapple through this, but there's part of you that also wants to see that war begin so you can confront that terror and in some way even indulge in the pleasure of watching our own destruction. it's a very strange -- >> that is very strange. i mean, i also feel like in a way the apes are the underdogs even though in this particular movie they start from a position of strength. so i think there's something to that as well. but another theme you explore here is the leaders in the movie are seen as weak when they want to seek peace, right? strength comes to them through wanting war and wanting aggression. do you think that's a theme that sort of resonates with people in the modern world? >> i think that's always -- one of the things cesar in talking about his character and trying to work on his character with andy and the writer, we always talked about empathy. the think about cesar is because he felt he was part human and part ape, he had connections in both worlds. it was really challenging for him as a leader because he could see the connection to the other. whereas others could sort of separate themselves, and some people see that as great leadership, but actually, i think that the great leaders can find a way to do the hard but right thing while understanding the points of view of others. that's why i'm saying i hope that people can root for the humans in it as well, which is you're not meant to look at any of these characters and see them as villains, but you can see how villainous things happen. we wanted the movie to be kind of an anatomy of violence. those questions are what makes a great leader, some of the thick things we were grappling with. >> there are actually no apes in the planet of the apes. they are both actors and cgi, which is all technology. dock talk to us about it. what i find is interesting is you don't know when they switch, when it goes from an actor to technology. >> it doesn't actually ever go from actor to technology. the way that it works is it's all what's called performance capture, which means there is very elaborate equipment that can capture the performance, the movement. there are dots all over the actor's body so we can track both their expressions but also their broad body movements. and then wetta, who are amazing, i think these are some of the best effects that have been done, they take that performance and find a way to it on to the body of an ape. sandy circus doesn't look like an ape and it's a real alchemy that happens between an actor. we're lookinga the some of the technology that you guys used on screen and it is cool stuff. you don't have james frank owe in this film. was it possible -- >> briefly we do. was it possible to give him a larger role just through cgi? >> by the way. i will say this, it is possible to give him a larger role through cgi. of course, if we were going to do that we would just talk tofr think you should be in the movie and because it was about caesar and what he lost and his connections to the past. franco was meant to be a powerful ghost in the story and he was never going to be in the film, but i think if we wanted to do it there are probably better ways to get james franco in your movie than to create him digitally. >> we have one more piece of the movie that i want to show the folks so they can get a flavor of what you've done. can we roll that? >> what are you sdmdoing? >> dad? >> it's okay. ♪ ♪ >> go! >> okay. okay. we're going. >> i mean, you see there just the shock on the humans when they realize the level to which the apeses have developed language and that is a constant thing throughout the piece that the level that they are able to speak and communicate sometimes through words and sometimes through sign language is just extraordinary and that gives them so much power. >> yeah. i mean, one of the important -- in trying to deal with drama, the idea was how could the two sides understand each other and this whole struggle of trying to express themselves is one of the really important aspects for both the humans and the ape characters and we wanted to really explore that and working in andy circus and the different performers to figure out how primitive it should be and that was fun and it's also great in that sequence because we went and shot this movie under conditions that hadn't been done before. we actually are in the forest and we are there in the rain and mocap equipment has never been pushed to the limits and we are hoping that will add to the reality and we're hoping that will be an exciting experience. >> it's exciting, scary, interesting, thrilling all at once. matt reese, best of luck with it. up next, our abbey huntsman about to take over politics? 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