The days biggest political and news stories, with interviews and reporting from around the nation. Special coverage and handle her own mafia cases. And from the washington post, an allstar panel, if i may compliment you all. What was your view of rick gates taking the stand . Is this a testimonial Turning Point in the trial . What did you see with your own eye, the tension in the room. It was absolutely riveting, ari. I do think it was a Turning Point. Up until now the jury heard from witnesses who worked for mr. Manafort and sold him goods, but nobody who knew his state of mind, his motives. Gates does that. It was incredible to see mr. Gates who worked for Paul Manafort as his protege to see him walk in that courtroom just 10 feet from the defendant and he did this ritual lisk process
boss in charge, with the python jacket, had no clue. The other thing muellers team has done a good job is to support and protect gates beforehand. Every witness who has come to the stand already, the book keeper, the vendors said the same thing. Manafort was in charge. Manafort knew where every dollar and cent went and the Process Put On Gates and presupported in his testimony . Kathy, your view of the Prosecution Strategy here . I think they had to put him on. There was some discussion about not putting him on the stand. That was a sign the Prosecution Team thought they had a pretty strong case without him. They have shown some strengths in the case. When they had the accountant say directly, did you have foreign accounts and the answer was, no. They showed foreign accounts, thats pretty hard evidence to
him. Sure, hes lied, his selfinterest now and a selfinterested person is to tell the truth. What he needs is a letter from the prosecutes. Nothing will tick off a prosecutor more than learning something about the corroborate tore for the first time in crossexamination and why you spend days and days and say, you have to tell me everything in front of the jury thats bad. We have been fully living in the trial and legality of that. I wonder if you could widen us out to the potential politics of that. We have all heard how Trump Supporters may never change their mind. For a guy with a thin mandate, 46 , he cant afford a point or two at all. I wonder if you think there are people in this country who look up and clear the drama and politics and see a legal process
with a republican like rick gates saying, i got busted, did this stuff, manafort led it and this is the way we did business and this is who trump put in charge of the campaign, does that at some point catch up with him . I think there are three aspects to that. I think it matters. It will be hard to say mr. Mueller did not have good reason to be investigating these people. This is not a witch hunt. They didnt confess a stray crime. Gates is confessing to a bunch of crimes. They have manafort for a bunch of crimes. And the fact that hes wasting everybodys time will go by the wayside. The second thing i thought was very interesting. Liars lie and cheat in big ways and little. One of the things he confessed to was violating the terms of his parole. He was 15 minutes late. Supposed to be home at 11 00 p. M. And came home at 11 15. That goes to what your other guests were saying, you have to confess to everything. You want know surprises. The main take away i have is, my gosh, donald trump was surrounded by a bunch of crooks. He was not only in the campaign but in the transition at all. Hes the one who says, i only hire the best people. The best people are liars and cheats and embezlers, it is peculiar the people donald trump surrounds himself with. Michael cohen, gates. This association of not just one person, a bunch of people committing crimes and being charged and confessing to crimes. These people rub off and looks like a cess pool. Trumps desire to work with these people and embrace of them looks really bad. I have to ask you, is cess pool a fancy word than swamp . It is. Swamp goes to Business As Usual. This goes beyond that, the illegal swamp, stuff not par for the course. Above and beyond. It sheds a lot of light on remember a few days ago, i know it sounds like years President Trump was saying, oh, Paul Manafort, what a great guy. Why are they putting him through this . Thats the president of the United States endorsing these guys. It reflects on trumps character and associations he makes and his judgment. I think americans will get an earful in the next few days and weeks and months. Ken, coming out of the courtroom when this has been a drama series of events, this is still our lead story because its so important, i wonder if you could tell us a little bit more from your reporting about the tensions with the judge. Its not all good news for mueller, although they say they are methodically moving through this case, walk us through the case and what you glean from that. Reporter judge ts ellis is a judge who likes to impose his will on the courtroom. Our commentator says some are happy to be umpire and others interjekts himself as shortstop. He stops prosecutors about being leading or compound. The judge tried to rush the prosecutor, greg, and said, lets get to the heart of the matter. The prosecutor responded, we are at the heart of the matter and the judge barked, dont interrupt me, and there was a sidebar. The judge has kept out of evidence of some of this about the lavish lifestyle and luxury goods purchased with allegedly illgotten gains. Thats been a factor here. Even if this jury decides they do not believe rick gates and he collapses on cross examination, we have seen evidence of him with the Bank Accounts in cyprus and he said he didnt have that. Theres no dispute if the Bank Accounts existed. The only thing was that it wasnt a crime, he didnt intend to violate the law. Someone from the treasury said, you have to disclose an on
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already prove these things, the strategy may be to put more of them out first and claim its all old news later. Whatever the strategy, lets focus on facts and ramifications. Trumps teams current defense indicates their old defense was false. Trump junior said in a statement he asked jared and paul to stop by for what the president s son called a short introductory meeting. We primarily discussed a program about the issue of russian children. Did the issue of adoption near and dear to my heart, i have two russian adopted sons. Did that come up . Where . That was the primary thing we had spoken about in the meeting. Thats not the premise that got them in the room. They started essentially bait and switch to talk about that. Trump junior there caught on tape accusing others of bait and
switch. Its trumps own team admitting they did the bait and switch defending all of this. Trump also put his lawyer out in the cold, jay explaining why he put out that false information. The president was not involved in the drafting of the statement and did not issue the statement. It came from donald trump jr. I had bad information. Its important to point out in a situation like this, over time, facts develop. Facts develop and trump infamously crafted the statement with hope hicks. Muellers team interviewed her. She was spotted on Air Force One again this Weekend Hours before this new tweet. Trump and his son lied in their old defense the meeting was about adoption. That old lie itself could be a crime if anyone told it to federal investigators and attempt to obstruct justice if prosecutors prove they were
trying to cover up what happened to authorities. The main reason you have for trumptologically admit any of this now, get ahead of bob mueller if he thinks the truth is coming out any way. Im joined by nance, the author of the plot to destroy democracy. This is coming from trump. What is your theory from an investigative perspective why its coming out now . Two things i believe. I think there may be a factor to it trump is trying to get out ahead of it. That may have been discussed at a meeting and it popped out. Trump has a pattern of speaking we all know. Lie, deny and arrogantly confess. Weve seen that before when he had his interview with lester holt, he admitted he wanted to fire comey about the russian thing. This really needs a psychologist
than National Security analyst. I think he was arrogantly confessing in his mind a way to explain away their strategy whatever they were doing there was not illegal. That sounds like a hybrid of guiliani and trump. Is it bad if they went into the meeting to get foreign help and then attended the meeting trying to get foreign help but ultimately didnt get the help . Im not the perfect analyst on this. I will quote someone who knows it very well. Congressman ted lue, a military judge advocate, say, suppose i have two air force airmen and one say, hey, ive been talking to colombian drug lords and they will ship me campaign and we have to have a meeting with them. If the other guy say, if what youre saying is true, i love it. Right there they committed conspiracy. That is precisely what mueller and everyone else is saying. I think its starting to sink into the trump team what happened in conspiracy and they need to talk it away in the court of opinion because that will end up possibly of impeachment hearings. The other thing youre familiar with how propaganda and disinformation can be laundered through media and conversation and what we consider a robust Civic Society like our own. Donald trump seems to be trying to not only move the gold post and probe and get a wider group of americans, maybe past his core supporters, look at all of this. This is whats done. Take a listen. I think from a practical standpoint most people would have taken that meeting. Its called Opposition Research or Even Research into your opponent. In the case of don, he listened. I guess they talked about as i see it, they talked about
adoption and some things. Nothing happened from the meeting. Zero happened from the meeting. How do you draw the line of the Communication Technique there to this weekend . Clearly, theres a legal strategy behind that guiliani is behind. Create a cloud of doubt and then create a false reality of what is happening. The false reality is no collusion, no collusion. The secondary false reality is none of this is a crime, therefore the president has done nothing wrong and this is just usual. We all know there is a crime. There are actual u. S. Codes violated when you commit Conspiracy To Defraud the United States or essentially rig an election. They are saying, thats not true. You will hear a mountain of people that follow that up. As he makes the Propaganda Environment it filters to their people and with fox news, create
a new reality he might have to face the congress with. Thats the part i think is fascinating to concerning how people go, its just about adoption, its okay. Well, they lied about adoption, to get help from russia so okay. Final word. Next week could be crimes or not crimes out of these guys. I suspect thats where theyre going to go. Malcolm nance following this from the beginning. Good to see you in person. Straight ahead, rosy odonnell is leading a Trump Protest at the white house. Hi, rosy. See you in 30 seconds. People who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams theyre handing us more than mail theyre handing us their business and while we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget. That your business is our business the United States postal service. Priority you walk us through what youre
doing tonight. Why is this important . When i watched the Helsinki Summit and i, too, watched our president abandon our nation and be totally the betrayer that he is, i was horrified working on a showtime movie and i wasnt able to come and join in the protest the last 23 days and we got a hiatus a surprise and asked to get broadway people together to show up and support the people at the kremlin annex protesting 22 nights in a row since that summit where he staked his claim in russia opposed to the United States. Do you think, rosie, i want to ask you pointblank, do you think this is one of those periods in history you have been proven right, people who may not have given you the ben fingerprint of the doubt and
thought you and donald trump had some sort of quoteunquote celebrity feud, have come to learn things about him that reflect a problem with his leadership, why hes not fit for office . Has that been a Turning Point since helsinki . We heard from people across the spectrum that helsinki raised questions whether he should be president. He should not be president. I dont think hes a legitimate president , if it werent for russia he would have won and the reason hes not so panicked about russia, he knows they will try to do what they did in 2016. Although the media wont say it yet, they gave him the election. I think the Mainstream Media is slow coming around to where they actually are. It took you a long time to call him a liar and the man has been lying a long time since in
office. Helsinki was the last time for a lot of people. Forget it, you cant get more blatant than he did right there, swore his allegiance to russia. Im sickened by congress that doesnt call for impeachment when we have horrible evidence of his high crimes and misdemeanor. Its not that i want to be right, ive never spoken to the man. He was never once on my show when i was making money. I never spoke to him in my life. The way he bombarded me and tried to change what the Public Opinion was of me with the help of National Enquirer and fox news is exactly what hes done since hes been in office, to people lifetime civil servants, fbi and cia, our allies across the world. What he did to me was foreshadowing. I know from the last decade, it doesnt feel so good. An interesting point you raised i would like to explore
with you. This is something weve seen in societies where democracy is in peril, it becomes difficult for the society to deal in facts and policy if powerful people or the leadership turn everything into personal bullying or worse. Weve seen that, as you say, with you. Weve seen that as a political strategy with potentially of truth teller, if you think james comey tells the truth under oath. Weve seen it with the press. I will go back to a low point, tot to be rude, when he was pressed on his treatment of women become more exposed and more problematic, he personally attacked you. Lets take a look at that moment from the debates. Youve called women you dont like, fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. Your twitter account only Rosie Odonnell. What was he doing there in
your view . The worst part of that is this huge response. The huge response. Hes like a bad comic and gets one line out and talks about it for four months. Told everyone. They laughed at that, that was the funniest thing. He was allowed to with help from the Mainstream Media an msnbc, they ganged up, willie geist was very antiRosie Odonnell. So was Joe Scarborough and every reporter on fox. It went on and on. When he lied, and say the show was canceled. The show was not canceled my friend, i left the show and money on the table to go home and parent. He changed it on the fabric of america because i was not on tv to rebut it. People go, i see what she is, i understand what she is. When he was the only one doing it, nobody would stand up to him. They would let him. As if only Rosie Odonnell could be only the 700 girls missing from the border, only stormy daniels, only all these mexicans he derides and diminishes every chance he gets. Hes a horrible horrible human with no soul. He has a very serious mental distorted. There are so many mental disorder. There are so many psychiatrists and he is not mentally stable enough to run this country and every congressman who hasnt filed should lose their jobs. It is my practice to let people respond as they want with their own tv shows. Okay. As to the activism. Thats how i am. Thats the lawyer in me, rosie. With regard to the activism. Thats good. How does it work . Thats part of the flip side and we have your record breaking numbers of women running for
office and Record Number of lgbtq candidates. New york times has a story on that out. We have seen this uprising and the culture appears to be part of that. What do you think is important in activism to recruit new candidates and particularly young candidates, how do you view that as part of this . It is part of it because he is a misogynist man. He denigrates the most vulnerable he considers women not equal to men, you can make fun of them and say theyre not appealing to you, as if women want to be appealing to him, my god, im so upset, donald couldnt get it up for me . This man is a joke and Mainstream Media treated him as a legitimate candidate as if they were two equals, him and hillary clinton. Come november we will save democracy or lose it. That is the whole thing. If we save democracy and turn the house hes gone. It will take however long it takes to have the impeachment trial, we will start the healing in america and not being on different sides and understand what this man did was unfair and inhumane and even to the people who trusted him the most, heartbreaking. You see these people at these rallies, most paid to be there, screaming hes right and letting the racist deep dark corners of their soul flourish. Its so against everything american, it really is. I hope we can flip this and save democracy. If we cant, i have to believe fascism will take over in america. That will be the death of democracy, this 200 something year old experiment. Youre worried about the state of our nation and constitutional democracy, we hear that day in and day out. You mentioned the rallies. We have seen terrible acts of hate and bigotry and violence at these rallies and plenty of
people who are going to them that are conservative and not racist. We did see a lot of people including the united nations, as you know, were more accustomed seeing in other countries, the head of the government trying to rile up people against the free press, our first amendment. Take a look at this. They can make anything bad because they are the fake fake disgusting news. Even these people back here, these horrible horrendous people do you have a concern when someone die, maybe he will shut up. When someone dies, maybe he will shut up. Do you think this conduct and language from the president raises a risk of violence in this country . Without a doubt. Hes doing dog whistles everyday and shouting out to people who try to fight off their own
internal racism, hes encouraging them. When he goes after lebron james, are you kidding me, the day after he opens a school in ohio. Its crazy to me. Someone will get hurt and die. Someone did. Heather died at one of those rallies. How many people will have to die before we realize what a horrible bully pulpit he has. No president has ever used it the way he has. Its been a disgrace to democracy, our standing in the world, what america is about and return to being as soon as he is out. Ari, id love to ask you, if you could go ahead. Is to take on the case of reality winner. No Mainstream Winner will take her case on, a young girl who warned all of us, a patriot, served in the armed forces, said russia hacked our election. You know where she is . In jail. You know who else . No one. Just reality winner, a 20 somethingyearold girl. I dont know why its not national news. That goes to something i want to ask you about. You and some folks you work with are very critical of the media, Television Media in the trump phenomenon, something were more accustomed to more on the right week criticisms of liberal media and Mainstream Media, i noticed you used that term as well. What do you think is important for someone like this that strives for attention and your narrative you argue beat the video game in 2016. What do you want to see different, as a final question . Id like you to stop covering his rallies. Number one, theres no reason to cover his rallies. All he does is lie and threaten violence and threaten journalists and other world leaders. I dont think you should cover his rallies at all and denounce
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meeting. He claims he didnt know about it. When did he learn about it . Is it even plausible given what weve learned and come out there was this significant meeting in trump tower and he was out of the loop. We like to go to people who have reason to know. You see barbara who worked for trump inside that very tower, a Top Executive for 20 years and joins me now. The author of all alone foreign the 68th floor, an evening of powerful guests, if i say so myself and add you to the roster. Thanks for being here. My pleasure. Based foreign your knowledge how donald trump works and the Trump Organization functions, do you think this ongoing defense is plausible and probably true or implausible and probably false . Based my experience, it is not true. Other people not high enough for donald to attend we discussed them beforehand and often told us what to say and ask. What many of us have in common with donald trump is haggling. Who wants to pay full price . Am i right . Talking about that in details. Take a look. When people come in to buy something, especially very rich people, they see details. If somethings wrong, they see it and it reflects in the price. Thats why im up early in the morning to check every detail of my construction sites. What is that . Can you haggle without details and brag in a public
speech, as he did, he would have new Dirt On Clinton if he wasnt into the details . That occurred to me at the time and a few days later we learn learned about the meeting, absolutely. What do you recognize it as. He clearly wants to help his son, widespread reporting hes worried mueller could indict his son. I will tell you and give you my analysis and yours, if you are in trouble for the criminal mindset of obstructing a probe and do things that reveal more of your mindset youre not helping your son, potentially hurt him. You would say that and that would be the normal reaction. Thats not how trump thinks. He thinks he can do everything and control every situation. Thats what hes doing, exercising control. Do you think in trying to seize that control hes losing
control . I think ultimately he will be losing control. I dont see it right now. Some people are saying yes, other people looking at the situation wondering where were going to go with mueller and what will happen. We have to stay tuned. We will stay tuned, barbara, someone there in the building, thank you so much for sharing your experience with us. Next up, the filmmaker and increasingly political activist, rob reiner. Right after the break. Experience the versatility of utility,
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he was lying about the Trump Tower Meeting was so brazen and so dramatic, it could be a hollywood movie confession seen, and thats why im joined by filmmaker and activist rob reiner, who knows his way around a plot. First, lets look at the context. Just last year, donald trump said his sons meeting with the russians was only about russian adoption. Then this weekend, he comes out and says no, it was to get information on an opponent. Foreign information could be a crime. In other words, trump is telling everyone he was lying. This is the kind of moment you rarely see where a main character, if you will, a protagonist, admits they were lying. Something we have even seen in rob reiners own films. It means to bluff. So youre probably Playing Cards and he cheated. Liar. Liar. Liar. You want answers. I think im entitled. You want answers. I want the truth. You cant handle the truth. The movie was about 80 accurate and 20 bull, which i guess by Hollywood Standards is an accomplishment. Accomplishment. Rob reiner is there, the director of A Few Good Men as well as Shock And Awe which deals with government lies. Thanks for being here. My pleasure. Lies. Yes. Why do people admit them and keep getting away with them in plots, including potentially this american plot . Well, they get away with them in plots until somebody uncovers the lie, and that becomes a big focal point of the story. When all of a sudden the story flips because the lie is exposed. We are having an experience with a guy who lies all the time. Constantly. Constantly lies, and is lying right to our face. And we have not as yet gotten to that point where those lies become the plot twist that flips
and nails him. Theres something that was told to me, when we were doing the case against proposition 8, which was to establish marriage equality. One of the lawyers says to me, you know, you can say whatever you want on television. But the minute you go into a courtroom and you put your hand on a bible, and swear to tell the truth, you have to tell the truth. Thats the reason why this president , who is a pathological liar, is not going to talk to robert mueller. He is incapable of telling the truth, but at a certain point, hes going to hit the wall where the truth and reality are going to come smack him upside the head, and hes going to have big problems. Big, big problems. Sorts of an oops upside your head moment. Its going to be the biggest political plot twist youll have ever seen in the history of this country, because you have a guy
lying, by the way, admitting to crimes all over the place. Everybody in this administration is committing crimes and admitting to it, but at a certain point, theyre going to be held accountable. The first step is for us to take back the house and start having the right kind of hearings that will get the truth out. Then ultimately, over time, people hopefully will come around to accepting the truth because if we dont, then we dont have democracy anymore. I wonder in your view about a character who knows theyre lying Versus Doesnt Care and doesnt keep track of it. We showed A Few Good Men where what is so unrealistic, what rarely happens in a courtroom, no offense, is a bit of what donald trump does on twitter where someone says, you know what. Everything i said was bull. I was lying. Now im saying this, which raises the question, why would we believe you now . Take a look at donald trump lying based on what we have been able to figure out about his well known and documented practice of pretending to be
another person, his spokesperson, which is a lie, and then he lies about it. Take a look at this from the today show. John barron, here we go. I think you can really use donald trump now, and i think last year, somebody showed me the article. I think he had 200 and 200. It was not me on the phone, it doesnt sound like me, and it was not me on the phone. Okay, so first of all, it was him on the phone. And when i heard this, this was during the campaign. I learned about this, this habit that he has of going on and talking as this guy john barron, or one of these other characters. I thought to myself, this guy is certifiably insane. Because think about this for a second. Who do you know that gets on the phone and pretends to be somebody else on this kind of level and talks to a journalist to get information out. Thats insane. Thats insanity. And i thought when i heard that,
how can that guy be president . How are we going to allow a person who does a thing like that become president of the United States . And, you know, it happened. But thats as crazy thats kind of beyond pathological. Theres some kind of Mental Illness that allows for Something Like that to happen. We dont know at a distance. We know hes caught on tape, the tape plays. And he has the ability to just say that wasnt me or in this weekends version, admit to his supporters, i was lying the whole time, and i want people to stay with me on that. Yeah, well, i think, you know, he has a certain cult of followers, for whatever reason, theyre going to follow him, but he has no problem lying. Its transactional. Does it help him to lie to that guy and say about donald trump on the phone . Yes. Does it help him to lie to say that wasnt donald trump . Yes. Whatever is going to help him at that moment, thats what he does. And he doesnt care about the, you know, the ramifications of it. And with 15 seconds to go,