The days biggest political and news stories, with interviews and reporting from around the nation. Special coverage and handle her own mafia cases. And from the washington post, an allstar panel, if i may compliment you all. What was your view of rick gates taking the stand . Is this a testimonial Turning Point in the trial . What did you see with your own eye, the tension in the room. It was absolutely riveting, ari. I do think it was a Turning Point. Up until now the jury heard from witnesses who worked for mr. Manafort and sold him goods, but nobody who knew his state of mind, his motives. Gates does that. It was incredible to see mr. Gates who worked for Paul Manafort as his protege to see him walk in that courtroom just 10 feet from the defendant and he did this ritual lisk process
boss in charge, with the python jacket, had no clue. The other thing muellers team has done a good job is to support and protect gates beforehand. Every witness who has come to the stand already, the bo
lying, by the way, admitting to crimes all over the place. everybody in this administration is committing crimes and admitting to it, but at a certain point, they re going to be held accountable. the first step is for us to take back the house and start having the right kind of hearings that will get the truth out. then ultimately, over time, people hopefully will come around to accepting the truth because if we don t, then we don t have democracy anymore. i wonder in your view about a character who knows they re lying versus doesn t care and doesn t keep track of it. we showed a few good men where what is so unrealistic, what rarely happens in a courtroom, no offense, is a bit of what donald trump does on twitter where someone says, you know what. everything i said was bull. i was lying. now i m saying this, which raises the question, why would we believe you now? take a look at donald trump lying based on what we have been able to figure out about his well known and documented pr
how can that guy be president? how are we going to allow a person who does a thing like that become president of the united states? and, you know, it happened. but that s as crazy that s kind of beyond pathological. there s some kind of mental illness that allows for something like that to happen. we don t know at a distance. we know he s caught on tape, the tape plays. and he has the ability to just say that wasn t me or in this weekend s version, admit to his supporters, i was lying the whole time, and i want people to stay with me on that. yeah, well, i think, you know, he has a certain cult of followers, for whatever reason, they re going to follow him, but he has no problem lying. it s transactional. does it help him to lie to that guy and say about donald trump on the phone? yes. does it help him to lie to say that wasn t donald trump? yes. whatever is going to help him at that moment, that s what he does. and he doesn t care about the, you know, the ramifications of it.