The days biggest political and news stories, with interviews and reporting from around the nation. Charge of an investigation and a guy who is the subject of an investigation that just got more profound. We have to preface everything, ari, with if the account from Michael Cohen is true, blah, blah, blah. So if the account is true, it is a tremendous change in the landscape. What it does is show us two things. One, that donald trump, from the very beginning, was in on an attempt at collusion, an attempt to conspire with a plot that was described to donald trump jr. As a secret operation by the kremlin to help trump. So if trump knows about that from the very beginning, and is in on it, i think that has a lot of legal, but even more so, political implications. Plus if hes told about this, and even if nothing came out of the meeting, remember throughout the whole campaign and up to now he keeps denying or dismissing the russian operation. Could have been a 400pound guy in a basement. The russians didnt do this. We dont know the russians did this. They kept doing that. What does he want up front . It makes everyone, democrats, republicans, members of his own administration, very nervous what he is doing in these twohour, oneonone meetings with putin. Something strikes me, as david was talking about this meeting, even the fact of the meeting, the fact that his people took a meeting with russian operatives is itself then leverage and a reason for blackmail because if that comes out during the campaign, oh, they were conspiring with the russians, that in itself is a way of applying pressure to the president. So the president from day one has been very upset that somehow his entire presidency would be discredited by the notion that the russians had helped him. Guess what . The russians did help him. If he knew about that, thats reason to fire james comey, reason for him to craft a phony explanation for that meeting in trump tower. Its reason for a lot of behavior that seemed odd at the
then you add Michael Cohen here potentially alleging to mueller that donald trump had all this advance notice, what does that do to the investigation in your view as a prosecutor . You know, the president s coverup here, the statement that he dictated on Air Force One has never made any sense. On the one hand if the meeting was unimportant, and as someone said at the time a nothing burger, then why does the president go to the trouble of lying about it . That statement that the president drafted for don jr. Has only ever made sense if this meeting was critically important, and equally important to cover up. So now what we see, if cohens statement is true, and david corn is correct, we need to understand whether it can be authenticated, and also precisely what cohen will have to say when he makes it. But if it turns out to be true, a lot of these pieces, Puzzle Pieces that are scattered across the table start to click into place. Well put up, while youre
and its a statement that we know more about now because the indictment that Robert Mueller put out recently of 12 Russian Military Intelligence Officers who were involved in hacking the democrats to help trump and hurt Hillary Clinton in that Indictment Mueller describes this day as the day late at night. He puts that into the indictment for a reason, late at night they started targeting or trying to penetrate Hillary Clintons own personal emails, and emails of people on the campaign as if they were taking Donald Trumps instructions and guidance. So here, you know, to go back to joyces point, we understand more now. If donald trump was told about this meeting, it means he was told that russia wanted to help him secretly. And here he is now publicly communicating with russia say, hey, this is how i want you to help. I mean, collusion, conspiracy, obstruction, coverup, all these
narratives which intertwine are bolstered by Michael Cohens account if true. And so jennifer when david lays it out like that, its chilling because the more benign earlier interpretations that were available were lowerlevel people did this, or everyones an idiot, and they didnt really understand all the meetings they were going to. By the way, Idiot Defenses can work in the law. Its not a crime to be stupid and go to the wrong meeting. What david lays out when you put these pieces together, according to cohens theory of the case. We always can report there will be denials, there will be other perspectives. But according to cohens theory of the case, youre adding Testimonial Evidence that suggests, no, they werent idiots. At a very high level they had a lot of information that they then acted on. And all the idiot behavior was in one direction. No one ever thought, oh, i met with the russians when they didnt. They kept saying they never met with the russians when they did. Every piece of evidence that weve seen, the public statements, the private statements, the fact of the meeting, the attempt to cover up the meeting, it all makes sense only if there was an attempt to solicit help from the russians. And if you recall way back when the trump people have always said whats so bad about taking a meeting like this this . Anyone would take information that they were offered. Thats how campaigns run. That was a very telling statement. I think it suggests to us that thats what they thought. They thought, hey, the russians are going to help us, thats swell. And its only been as time goes on that they realize how politically and legally perilous that was. So hence the coverup. Right, because youre not supposed to hijack elections with foreign governments. Yeah, who knew . Right . Who knew . No one ever told them that. You know, they were novices. I want to thank Jennifer Rubin and joyce vance. David real quick, have you ever
been on Fallback Friday . No, i have not. Could it perhaps happen today . It could happen today. A year in we will take you. I would hope to get both of you in some day as well. Thanks to each of you for being part of our top of the News Coverage here. Coming up, new reporting on how trumps legal team says they might, quote, bury Michael Cohen. Michael avenatti is here live. Coming out of his court fight in the Stormy Daniels case. Plus, were debuting a new series today with Tony Schwartz, author of the art of the deal, and talking about the pressure facing trump. All that, plus, of course, Fallback Friday and our most awkward moments of the year. Youre watching a Special Edition of the beat on msnbc. Clarity, and protection. Together in a single lens. Essilor ultimate lens package. Purchase the Essilor Ultimate Lens Package and get a second pair of qualifying lenses free. Essilor. Better sight. Better life. Welcome to holiday inn thank you wait, i have something for you every stay is a special stay at holiday inn. Save up to 15 when you book early at hollidayinn. Com were in a small room. What . welcome. [ gasps ] a bigger room . how many of you use Car Insurance . Oh. Well, what if i showed you this . [ laughing ] hohoho wow. Its a computer. We compare rates to help you get the price and coverage thats right for you. Thats amazing the only thing that would make this better is if my mom were here. What . an unexpected ending are you ready to take your then you need xfinity xfi. . A more powerful way to stay connected. It gives you super fast speeds for all your devices, provides the most Wifi Coverage for your home,
and lets you control your network with the xfi app. Its the ultimate wifi experience. Xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. Theres news tonight that shows donald trump is genuinely nervous about the risk Michael Cohen poses. The political world shocked by these leaks that cohen would put cohen squarely inside of a conspiracy to get clinton material from the russians. Sabotaging his fixer. His aides are telling reporters theyll bury cohen. Calling him a traitor. The daily beast reports trumps furious and swearing about cohen. The attack on cohen is weak was previewed earlier this week by the man who served as trumps lawyer before cohen, jay goldberg on the beat. If you spend five minutes with Michael Cohen, you know
that hes not strong. Hes weak. Its odd to say this, but when he said that he would stand up for the president , i knew from talking with him for less than five minutes that he was sufficiently weak, that he would cave in with respect to any wrongdoing. Meanwhile, trumps current lawyer is reversing his past praise of cohen. He doesnt have any incriminating evidence about the president or himself. The man is an honest, honorable lawyer. I expected Something Like this from cohen. Hes been lying all week. Or for hes been lying for years. Theres nobody that i know that knows him that hasnt warned me that if his back is up against the wall, hell lie like crazy. Hes lied all his life. In a moment im joined live by Michael Avenatti about all of this. First, how does this battle go down when all of it can involve the trump organization, the history of the apprentice . Before that, i bring in tara
dardenel, a former contestant on the apprentice and a democratic operative. Youve lived many lives. Yes. And there you are. There i am. When you look at this and cohens involvement in the trump organization, what do you see as key in this fight. I think whats going to be key in this fight for trump is all about the pr, all about the spin, all about the deny, deflect, attack. As far as cohen is concerned hes going to have to be very careful, because im not a lawyer like you, but i think we all know when you are under a criminal investigation yourself and youre seeking to be a cooperating witness, the last thing you want to be doing is talking. Any good lawyer will tell you to keep your mouth shut. What cohen clearly wants to do is he wants to go head on at donald trump. He is a man, ive said this before, and some people doubted me on this, hes a man thats been sending Smoke Signals to donald trump for the past several weeks. Those Smoke Signals went unrequited. I think he is now a man scorned. I think he wants to settle scores. Trump has betrayed him multiple times, this was the last straw. Youre not a lawyer, but you are an apprentice, or you played an apprentice on a reality show. When you look at this situation, something that many of us have grappled to understand, and you were closer to it at an earlier phase of trumps life. Certainly Michael Cohen has seen donald trump screw other people. Do you know what it is about some of these people around trump that they see that happen to other people and they dont think it will happen to them . It is actually a mind boggling thing. Literally on the apprentice, people were threatening to sue donald trump at that time. Those people then went back to basically work on his campaign after threatening to sue him and or initiating the process of suing him. It is actually mind boggling. What it is is that trump attracts people like trump. A lot of people that choose to be in his orbit are people who are looking to ride his coat tails of fame. And i think that that becomes paramount for them. Thats the overriding issue. I think Michael Cohen was one of those people. One of the things that trump is notorious for is not paying people. What he tells the people that he does not pay is that just use my name. Tell people you did work for me. Thats the value. Youre alleging that he tells people to say my name . Say my name, say my name. Say my name, say my name, say my name. Thats right. Well, you know, were doing an awkward montage later in the show, but i wanted to have some you wanted to get it out there early. Do some of it live. Its still a live show tonight. Tara, thank you for bringing your experience and insights here. Now i bring in Michael Avenatti, attorney for touchdown and a rumored iowa visitor. Why are you going to iowa . Its not my first visit to iowa, ari, as you know. I grew up in the show me state of missouri. Im going to our neighbor to the north. I know people who grew up in missouri but arent going to iowa. They must not have good taste. Well, everyones interested in your expanding role, your portfolio, your politics. Walk us through what happened in court today because your case still continues. Well, we had a very good morning in court today, ari, as you know, Michael Cohen and the president have sought to place a gag order, have the court place a gag order over me and prevent me from coming on shows like this and talking about the case, and talking about the evidence to you and your audience. And it was a very good morning. The judge took it under submission. He hasnt issued a ruling yet. But id be shocked if he granted the motion. Michael cohen and the president s attorneys were almost laughed out of court. The judge was very critical of the motion. And expressed considerable skepticism on the legal arguments they were making, and for good reason, because they were absolutely baseless. And it reeks of desperation. It seems like they want to silence you. People can understand why. What about the argument that you
savaging mr. Cohen at times could affect peoples opinions of him and thus jurors . Well, i dont put a lot of credence into that, ari, because, as you know, when it comes to jury selection, the court can guard against any bias that a juror may come to the court with. And usually does guard against that. You know, its interesting to me that Michael Cohens attorney was arguing so vehemently that i should be gagged and should not be able to speak openly. And look at Rudy Giulianis comments last night about Michael Cohen on chris cuomos show, he called him a pathological liar, hes been saying he has been lying for years, months, weeks, he said a fact finder should not trust him in a trial. Those comments were far beyond anything ive said about Michael Cohen, why isnt Michael Cohens attorney trying to have a gag order placed on Rudy Giuliani . Which would also affect my case,
because rudy is the best attorney working on my team. I know you feel that way. The other thing i want to ask you about is other news youve broken, and youve been a source of not only ideas and opinions, but also information in this case. You have new women you say are coming forward. Im wondering why now. So i want to get your answer to that. Lets fit in a quick break. Well come back in just 30 seconds with Michael Avenatti. E . Its show of strength. Or its sign of intelligence . In crossing harsh terrain. Or breaking new ground . This is the time to get an exceptional offer on the mercedes of your midsummer dreams at the mercedesbenz summer event, going on now. Receive up to a 1,250 summer event bonus on select suvs. Mercedesbenz. The best or nothing. Were back with Michael Avenatti who says today there are new women coming forward claiming they were also paid by donald trump or others for their silence. He intriguingly mentions it could even include the same Tabloid Company in the middle of this whole cohen case. There are three additional female clients of mine that have not been disclosed that were paid hush money prior to the 2016 election, whether it be from Michael Cohen on behalf of the president , an entity that Michael Cohen formed, or ami, thats what im saying. Those women had a relationship with donald trump. Last time i checked they werent handing out checks to anyone whether they had a relationship or not. Michael avenatti, making news. Why are you putting out the idea that there are these three women now, and why are you putting it out in this manner without more information or their names . Well, im not putting the idea out there, ari, im stating a fact. I have three clients that have hired me as their counsel. Each of them had a relationship with mr. Trump. Each of them were paid hush money prior to the 2016 election. And the time had come to
disclose that. And were going to be disclosing Additional Details here hopefully shortly, as soon as the clients authorize me to release specifics relating to their each individual instance. But heres what i find to be i want to hear you on that. Let me press you on that. There have been other times in this wideranging case where youve put out substantiating information, written information or youve made a client available for public interviewing. Thats usually in our business how we verify facts. Here youre asking people to take it on your Authority Without the additional information. This has been going for a while. What, in your view, is holding them back, or why not more information now . Well, because its a big decision for each of these individual women to come forward and release their name and provide specifics. I mean, this is serious business, ari. You know, you subject yourself to this scrutiny of the press and you subject yourself to the scrutiny of fox news and others when you do that. Its a very, very serious decision, a big decision for them. But, look, if people dont want
to believe me on it, thats fine. I think thats pretty risky in light of my track record over the last six months. Does at least one of them involve ami . Yes. And that would be a previously undisclosed, not Karen Mcdougal, correct . Correct. Youre talking about something that is very significant that is embedded in the wider news you made in the clip we just showed, if at least one of them involves ami, youre saying this company, which is under significant scrutiny in the cohen case, by the feds in new york, was also doing Something Else allegedly on behalf of donald trump . Yes. Could that then raise their exposure for Campaign Finance violations, or other misleading of the authorities about what they were doing with that money . Yes. And i think it will do the same for Michael Cohen. Let me tell you what i find most interesting, ari, its late now on the east coast. We havent got a single denial from Michael Cohen, lanny davis
or donald trump or Rudy Giuliani. Not a single denial. No one has come out and said, oh, that avenatti guy doesnt know what hes talking about, it never happened. What does that tell you . Theyve said that before, michael. To be fair. And they are wrong. They are on the record saying you dont know what you are talking about. When you look at ami figuring into all this, it is hard to understand why a corporation with its own selfinterests in Profit Interest would get so deeply involved in taking these risks on behalf of another person. Can you shed any light on that . I think it may come down to a personal relationship and how tight the individuals at the top of that company are or were with donald trump at the end of the day. I think that probably would help explain it. But, you know, as weve talked about before, this is a president that demands loyalty from everyone and provides loyalty to no one with the exception of vlady putin. I appreciate the nickname there. Let me play for you one of the theories that comes up with this, the cohen tape that you said would come out and have trump on it, and it did, first the idea that they were nervous about what would happen if they didnt have, as you put it, such a close friend at the head of that Tabloid Company, this is reporter betsy woodruff, take a listen. The reason that that conversation happened, according to a source familiar with it, is because david pecker, whos the head of the Parent Company of the National Enquirer told President Trump that he was thinking about leaving that company. Trump then thought, oh no, if my ally leaves this Tabloid Company, the company could then go ahead and publish the Karen Mcdougal story. What is your assessment of that . Well, my assessment is, is that they were wise to think that that would be a concern. And i think that ultimately what youre going to find out is that one of the reasons why they
moved away from that concept, that use of ami as to some of these other payments, was for this exact concern. Thats why the 130,000 payment to my client, for instance, was not made through ami. Thats why the two additional payments that i referenced last night were not made through ami for this exact reason. They wanted to close the circle, if you will, so that the president thought he had greater protection with his fixer, Michael Cohen, who turned out not to be tough and not to be too smart. Do you have reason to know or believe what ami got in return for spending this money . No. But i can i can speculate that it would have to be access or preferential treatment. I dont think they did it out of the gracious good graces of their heart. No. I mean, thats not what corporations are known for. And its not each what their fiduciary duties provide for. As to Michael Cohens assessment, a potential factual assertion that donald trump did
okay the trump tower meeting, was that news to you when that news broke last night . No, it was not news to me. Nor was it news to me today when they immediately went after or last night and today immediately went after Michael Cohen and now claim that hes a liar. This is going to be quite a show, ari, thats going to play out in the coming weeks and months. I think on your show it was the first instance back in early may that i said they had put too much faith in Michael Cohen. Anybody could see that. Whats so ironic to me is, and you played the clip earlier from the president s former attorney, you know, everyone that knew Michael Cohen or had anything to do with him knew he wasnt that tough and wasnt that smart. Its amazing this president would trust him with his innermost secrets. It goes to show what a complete lack of judgment the president has in so many aspects of his life. Thats an interesting point. Its your opinion, its somewhat grounded in the risks were seeing. What you just said a moment ago in response to my question, you
knew this, it wasnt news to you, how did you know that Michael Cohen had collusion related evidence . Im not at liberty to get into details of all my sources and how i know things, but a lot of my predictions have turned out to be spot on in this case. We ask you these questions because a lot of people do want to know how you know things. As you know, we have a concept under the law relating to attorney work product. Sure. Were not at liberty to disclose a lot of that information, very similar to journalists. Michael avenatti, always interesting, a lot of these threads running together here on this friday night. Thank you for being on the beat. I also want to mention thank you for the time you spent with me because this Sunday Michael and liz plank are joining me for a beat podcast extra, additional conversations, including Michael Avenatti as a potential president ial candidate. Download it at apple podcast. Or whatever or wherever you
get your podcasts. It will be out this weekend. Up ahead, we have the impact of crushing legal pressure on trumps State Of Mind, the coauthor of the art of the deal is here, and if its friday, its time to fall back. We have a very special one later this evening. Hey, no big deal. Youve got a good record and Liberty Mutual wont hold a grudge by raising your rates over one mistake. You hear that, karen . Liberty mutual doesnt hold grudges. How mature of them. For drivers with Accident Forgiveness Liberty Mutual wont raise their rates because of their first accident. Liberty mutual insurance. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty with my bladder leakage, the products ive tried just didnt fit right. They were very saggy. Its getting in the way of our camping trips. But with new sizes, depend fitflex is made for me. Introducing more sizes for better comfort. New depend fitflex underwear is guaranteed to be your best fit. Save up to 15 when you book early south l. A. Is very medically underserved. When the old hospital closed people in the community lived with untreated Health Problems for years. So, with the countys help we built a new hospital from the ground up and having citi as an early investor worked as a signal to others to invest. With citis help we built a wonderful Maternity Ward and we were able to purchase an mri machine. Weve made it possible for the people who live here to lead healthier lives and thats invaluable. It is friday on the beat, and you know what that means, it is time to fall back. A very special Fallback Friday, joined by an olympic fencer, the first muslim woman to wear a hijab during the olympics. She also made times list of 100 most influential people. Her new memoir proud comes out this week. Good time to have her here. Im joined by patrice cullers, Cofounder Of Black lives matter, the author of when they call you a terrorist, and a friend of the beat who is not on times 100 most influential list, Washington Bureau chief for mother jones, david corn. Eat your heart out, david. Im told i came in at 103. Sometimes you just dont get the breaks. They tell a lot of people that. Ipta, who needs to fall back . I would say the u. S. Government. Stop separating parents from their children. Yeah. This has been one of the most divisive things in a divisive era of the trump administration. I visited the u. S. Mexico Border recently with athletes for impact. It really opened my eyes to a lot of things where i feel like the general public is not familiar with whats going on. Its interesting with the olympics side of it, right, because you probably spend so much time in an environment where youre thinking about what, even in competition, what we share in common with other countries. Oh, yeah. I mean, sport teaches you so much, how to appreciate one another for our differences. And also these unique qualities we each have that should bring us together. Yeah. Who needs to fall back . Well, i want r. Kelly to fall back. He recently came out with a
song, a 19minute song called i admit essentially admitting he commits child sexual abuse and says he has a cult in his home. It was disturbing, frustrating, and it was like one of those moments where i was like if the country and the r b world doesnt make him fall back, i dont know what will. And isnt this one of those moral situations where, yes, someone can put something into the world that people like, you know, bill cosby made a show, and you can talk about parts of the show that you like, it does not cancel out other facts that are found about their conduct. Thats exactly right. And with r. Kelly this has been an issue with him for years. I mean, he has been sexually assaulting and preying on young women and girls for a very long time. People have talked about it in the black community, outside of the black community. I think for him to write the song and put it out on the
internet, and the way it was just so incredibly disgusting, and so many of us were like, Black Twitter in particular was like, you know what, black women on twitter were like you need to fall back. Also, by the way, shout out to Black Twitter, shout out. Do you think he was hoping to sort of exploit and use the song to try to gain some currency with all this . Or cancel out the issue . I think he is doing what a lot of men do under patriarchy which is be in denial. And also to be absent from the realities of harming women, you know. For r. Kelly, he thinks, well, im offering this life for women, and they are consenting to it. But hes actually not talking about the power that comes with being an artist, with being an older man, and living inside a sexist environment. I think its very important you bring it to the table. And then of course the legal side is something weve covered,
when youre below the age of consent, thats why legally you cannot have consent, something that obviously he has been accused repeatedly, incredibly, of violating. David corn, i understand you have a political fallback for the week. What do you got . Jim jordan. Republican member of the House Of Representatives from ohio. He wants to be speaker of the house if republicans continue control of the house after the coming elections. He also has been in the news for something much different than politics in the last couple weeks. He stands credibly accused of having been a Wrestling Coach at Ohio State University in the 80s and 90s when the athletic departments doctor was abusing Student Athletes. And the accusations against him from athletes who worked with there, worked with him at the time, Student Athletes, is that he knew about this, and he did nothing. He, of course, says he had no clue. But were up to 10, 11 or so Student Athletes whove said he must have known. It was impossible for him not to know. Rather than falling back and coming up with a credible response to that, hes decided to move ahead and try to become speaker of the house while also, and this is a double dip here, promoting all Sorts Of Crazy Deep State Conspiracy Theories about the trump russia scandal and interest declared, two of them involve me. Im asking jordan to take a step back and deal with that controversy rather than trying to lead the House Of Representatives. David, you make very important points on a story that deserves attention. It almost makes me wonder whether Time Magazine got it wrong about you. Well, my mom thinks so. Yeah, and yet youre not top 100 at the end of the day. Thats just a fact. That is true. Neither are you. See, if you leave a long enough pause, anything can
happen. Neither are you. David corn gets the last burn of the segment. My special thanks to david, ibtihaj and patrisse for this Fallback Friday. Up ahead, new legal heat on donald trump. His long time lawyer turning on him. And we are getting into our first ever edition of State Of Mind with Tony Schwartz next. What about him . Lets do it. Come on. This summer, add a new member to the family. At the mercedesbenz summer event. Lease the glc300 for 429 a month at your local mercedesbenz dealer. Mercedesbenz. The best or nothing. To give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you dont. Ill take that. [cheers] 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. New ensure max protein. In two great flavors. Sharper vision, without limits. Days that go from sun up to sun down. A whole world in all its beauty. Three Innovative Technologies for our ultimate in vision, clarity, and protection. Together in a single lens. Essilor ultimate lens package. Purchase the Essilor Ultimate Lens Package and get a second pair of qualifying lenses free. Essilor. Better sight. Better life. Need a change of scenery . The Kayak Price Forecast tool tells you whether to wait or book your flight now. So you can be confident youre getting the best price. Giddyup kayak. Search one and done. Gathered here are the worlds finest insurance experts. Rodney mastermind of discounts like safe driver, paperless. The list goes on. How about a discount for long lists . Gold. Mara, you save our customers hundreds for switching almost effortlessly. Its a gift. And jamie. Present. Together we are unstoppable. So, what are we gonna do . Insurance. Thats kind of what we do here. Any paint can change the way a room looks. But only one can change how it feels. Century, from benjamin moore, is the firstever soft touch matte finish paint. Its revolutionary Texture Unlocks 75 unprecedented colors, each with exquisite depth and richness. Its a difference you can see, touch, and feel. Thats proudly particular. Century. Only at select local paint and hardware stores. Today wraps up two of the most stressful weeks of trumps presidency, the international
condemnation of his bizarre embrace of putin, followed by one of of his most loyal fixers saying trump did okay the meeting at the trump tower. Those two stresses are linked. They pose intricate questions. Which brings us to our new segment with a special friend of the beat, Tony Schwartz. This is called State Of Mind. And we aim to get to the root of some of the bigger issues in our society here. Now, many people hesitate to admit how stress and emotion impact decisions, especially if they fear it could look weak or irrational. Tony schwartz argues that kind of blind shot is even larger for trump, tony says, who insists he has a flawless temperament. I have a great temperament. I have a great temperament. I have one of the great temperaments, a winning temperament. We need a strong temperament. And thats all it is. That temperament being tested, and trumps own aides are coddling it at times,
trying to limit the news and negative info that reaches him. Schwartz writes trumps grip on reality will continue to diminish as he faces criticism, accusation and criminal indictments. What happens to a leader who embraces this kind of Bunker Mentality to avoid stress . Is trump seeking kind of a narrow minded cocoon of a tortured snow flake deluding himself to believe that all critics are just haters, and accountability is what his enemies want . Im reminded of Aubrey Drake Graham once said, i got enemies, got a lot of enemies, got a lot of people trying to train me of my energy. We turn to Tony Schwartz. Ceo of the energy project. Drake is known as an emotional celebrity. And the problem in that line, which reflects a real thing, is overidentifying any criticism as trying to destroy you rather than deal with it. Does trump have that problem also . This piece i have done with
the Psychiatrist Bandy Lee In politico today is really about the notion that people who have trumps psychological disposition, bandys interviewed a thousand of them in her role as a forensic psychiatrist, have this vast emptiness that is filled only by external praise and adulation. When they begin to feel that theyre not getting enough of it, its a catastrophic, internal experience. Thats what trump is having right now. Whats striking about that is we often talk about how different he is from other president s. Thats something other politicians have. When i worked in congress, you would see them, maybe they didnt make it all the way to the white house, people who were antisocial, sometimes tortured and seemed to need to be on the go, in the action, getting praise while maybe other parts of them were, as you put it, less full. Thats why they say washington and hollywood have a
lot in common. The people who seek most intensely dont have a sense of themselves absent the external world applauding. Right its like these freak who is want to work on tv every day or host a tv show. Its thard to manning. People people i dont really i havent even met those people. What is wrong with your psyche in your life if you need to be on tv, hosting a tv show every day . Its something i have wondered. They have no Self Awareness either. Turning back to donald trump, let me play for you how he dealt with a Security Analyst in his previous life. Take a listen. I love Security Analysts. The shareman of the company that i work for was faxed a letter written by donald trump. What he wanted was a public
apology or the firm to dismiss me immediately or i would institute a major lawsuit against the firm. They escorted me to the door. I have been a Security Analyst for over 50 years. Why is that public apology so important. Who apologized . Donald trump demanding, he wants a public apology, why . Because he is so thin skinned. If a person criticizes him, he feels like an inner explosion. March what og foon imagine what he is feeling right now as these walls start to close in on him, as the people who have been most loyal to him start to turn on him, it has got to be a feeling of extraordinary fear that is unacceptable to him because he cant stand the experience of weakness or vulnerability. And so what he does in its face is to act even more
aggressively. Does that make him obsessive and emotional in dealing with these open legal probes . Yes, indeed. Hes clearly an obsessive guy. He is obsess ive sometimes strategically, sometimes reactively. To give you an example of the obsessiveness strategically is when he says no collusion, no collusion, no collusion. What is he doing . He is hoping, he has learned that if he repeats it often enough, even if it is totally false, visibly false. People, or a significant number of people will start to believe it. State of mind, State Of Mind, state of mine is what we will take from that. This is a series and we are going to try to go a little bit deeper. Tony schwartz, i appreciate you being a part of it. Thank you. Up ahead, moments that have left many of us speechless. Also a. Practicing note of course i will be in more Rachel Maddow tonight on msnbc. vo what if this didnt
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