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Made just last week on the beat and while it had claims it was privileged and now Rudy Guilliani says theyre waiving any privilege. These other 12 audio items are not privileged either so they have been released to prosecutors, people who can decide whether to charge cohen with any crimes in this whole case. Cohens adversary says trump is on one of these tapes. This is not the only tape, i can tell you that for a fact. Theres more tapes. You dont know if there are more tapes of President Trump . I do know theres more tapes of trump. Multiple tapes of President Trump. The question is who leaked this and knows this and could the distractions be even worse like the embrace of president vladamir putin last week. And the trial slated to begin this week in virginia. Today, Paul Manafort appeared in court in a jail uniform as his lawyers did convince the judge they should get one more week to go over voluminous evidence before this trial begins. This was manaforts First Court Appearance since the judge sent him to jail last month. He came in today wearing a shortsleeved green alexandria jill jumpsuit. Whether thats the situation during trial, i dont know. I suspect his lawyers will try to get that changed. The judge made some news by granting muellers request to immunize five people. Those linked to business with him. It does not include any famous names or known associates. Im joined by a prosecutor and attorney and former counsel to the republicans oversight house committee. Looking at the manafort trial in a minute, well get into all of that there. On cohen, what do you make on the way of privilege and your theory why this story is in the news . I think its in the news because you have trump on tape. As anybody would say, thats the strongest possible evidence. If theyre making an admission on the tape. In the particular tape we looked at last week there certainly was evidence of knowledge by the president of a playoff to the playboy playmate, miss macdougall. It looked like they were trying to find a way to reimburse the nonpublishers that own her story or own it themselves to have more control over it and this for no other purpose apparently than to keep it out of the election news, if you will. I think the significance of this tape, it struck me that lanny davis actually gave a sucker punch to Rudy Guilliani. Rud rudy wanted so badly to speak about this tape he waived a privilege to it. On the one hand he said there wasnt any privilege and then said it was a professional conversation. By doing so he may have waived privilege to the communication and may or may not have put him back behind when the publication was denied, that is, when they made the deal with mcdougle in august in 2016 and in september of 2016 and last week how they could strengthen their hold on her disclosing anything further. Theres a piece in the new yorker why this is a real thing even when you put aside questions of how it came out. New revelations suggest the Trump Campaign was lying when it denied trump had any knowledge of it with mcdougle and knowledge of developing a deal and ukraine and hiring someone as a consultant. Its hard to remember how many significant things this tape could provide evidence on. And how much Michael Cohen could testify as, how much information he has. The tapes are important for sure. What they really are is a reminder of all the information in Michael Cohens head, which i think is going to be on more than one tape or 12 tapes even. Guilliani can explain away the way a defense attorney would at a trial each individual recording showing they didnt pay the money, ami paid the money, which isnt a defense. He can try to explain it away. The fact of the matter is Michael Cohen, if he decides to cooperate will have a lot of information. Thats one of the biggest takeaways from these reportings. Sophia. I agree. Weve been talking about this for months since the fbi raid in march. This shows Michael Cohen knew there was a day that was going to come he had to protect himself. The president s tweet seems to be at odds with his own attorney, Rudy Guiliani waiving the privilege, this isnt fair, what about attorneyclient privilege. Im confused whats happening at the trump camp. The big news is Michael Cohen has a lot of information and has 12 tapes at some point i assume we will hear as the public and goes back what i said a long time ago about the cya file. If youre going to do things wrong, you cover yourself. And we need to see President Trumps tax returns we still havent seen here and mueller is trying to get to the bottom of this that happened here. Is there a legitimate or nonnefarious reason a lawyer could be making tapes like that . Nonnefarious. If youre involved in a conspiracy with your counsel, that is, trump is, your counsel is making tape, almost a give away youre in nefarious activity and may be legal for taping in new york. Its probably not ethical and may be corrupt. If you know youre involved in a crime there is no privilege that attaches to it. It strikes me one of the reasons cohen may have delayed cooperating, if thats what hes doing, because maybe they want a clear line what they can use with his conversations with trump rather than it being compromised as association of privilege to take it down. You may recall before the court decided to screen these document, there was a Screening Team the u. S. Attorneys office had and that wasnt sufficient. Theyre kind of put on notice they better be careful if they want to use cohen if cohen is capable of doing this as lanny davis suggests by his presence on the team. Maybe they want to make sure they know the rules before they bring him in and debrief him before he says anything and make a deal with him and compromise because they decided its privileged. Mimi, on the Paul Manafort news, it is a big deal the trial is moving forward. We havent had anything at this level in the modern era and no last minute deal in all kinds of cases certainly happens, as you certainly know. What do you make is coming down the pike against manafort, these five witnesses, plus the paper record and one of two consecutive trials. What is his play here . What is manaforts play . I dont think he has a great play. I think hes trying to stall and throwing everything at the wall to see if anything would stick and if the judge would take one of these farfetched arguments and none work. I dont think manafort will cooperate. I think hes more scared of russians than jail. What do you mean . We know now from the exhibit list he had a significant loan from oli g, and in debt to him. Hes scared the russians could do what . This is me based on the reporting weve seen, i think hes scared if he cooperated and provided information about russian attacks on the election and conspiracy about the Trump Campaign, russians could come after him. When you say come after him, you mean . They could use violence or interrogation or threats . Let me go around the room. Its a serious thing. Were dealing with a regime documented in human rights abuses and treatment of opponents and allegedness of poisoning people abroad. Sure, i think a Mad Hatters Tea Party is possible. I think the five witnesses that get immunity is big news beyond the russian issue. Im asking a different question. I understand. I dont think they will do bodily harm to him. They have probably more interesting stuff on him. Manafort has been doing this stuff for a long time, gets back to my concern about the track returns, you have to connect the dots. I understand. I have to keep things on track. On if he does not cooperate and facing this overwhelming evidence, on your view as a prosecutor, hes likely to be convicted. Then what . He deals with it . I would be surprised at this point if manafort cooperated. Hes shown no signs of it. Sometimes people do try to cooperate after conviction and unlikely here but its rare and a lot less valuable to prosecutors after theyve already put on a full trial. Right. The reason i said this is he must be scared of something else, as you point out, why else is he not seeking to cooperate . Its very likely he has information that could be useful to prosecutors, the biggest hurdle often for people. Hes facing so much time and the case is so strong. The five immunized witnesses, i dont think theyre necessarily the bombshell people thought, theyre turning out to be more corroborating. Exactly. Gates will be the real story teller here. Im assuming hes the big witness everyone will want to watch. Hang with me. I want to bring in california congressman, Eric Swalwell from the Intelligence Committee. When you look at the news from cohen as well as the manafort trial we were just reporting on, what do you see as the most significant in your purview that face america in the wake of this putin summit. Good evening, ari. What i see the president as a candidate had on his team and businesses shadowy operators and people who had close personal and political financial ties to russia. With Paul Manafort we see millions of dollars exchanged with russians as he did work for the parties and in the fall of 2015 when donald trump was a candidate where he was engineering to get trump and putin together so they could quoteunquote make our boy president. When you see secret recordings and see the way Michael Cohen was willing to operate on behalf of the president , i think that justice bob muellers investigation to taken an mri to everyone around the president to find out if the russians have anything on him or if he was working with them during the campaign. Should Congress Review these tapes . I think its an ongoing investigation, no, not right now. Maybe after the investigation, as wed always want to have oversight. Right now, we need let investigators do their job. I want to play for you michael speaking about this on abc yesterday. Take a listen. This shows that the president knew that these payments were being made prior to the election. He was a participant in it. He was advising how it was going to be done, and none of that will be helpful to him or Michael Cohen especially as it relates to Campaign Finance allegation. Thats an analysis coming from the president s foe and cohen, if that proves to be true, that alone is not collusion. Its not foreign election tampering. It would be the misuse potentially of a Media Organization within a political goal at home, domestically. Is that in your purview . Is that Something Congress cares about or is that ultimately a distraction, smaller issue from what everyone began this investigation with, which was the collusion probe . I think they are not mutually exclusive. The president can have a whole host of issues on the finance side domestic in nature, like these alleged payoffs to silence people who come forward and he can also have a whole host of issues with foreign nationals who worked on his behalf and team met with them. For me on the Intelligence Committee im more interested in protecting the integrity of our elections and make sure no republican or democrat works in the way they did. I think whats important for Paul Manafort, did donald trump, when he brought Paul Manafort on in 2016, did he know about these relationships Paul Manafort had with the russians . Right. Thats still not answered. Did that qualify him for the job . Most people, they would say that disqualifies you. Was that part of the reason he got hired . Michael flynn, same thing. They had these contacts. For most people, a dq and this might have been the green light. Youre talking about something that takes you out of the running for any campaign except this one, at least the argument of some critics. Final question, the white house is announcing today it is reviewing security access to formal National Security to who basically quoteunquote politicized access to intelligence, those critics to the president or critical witnesses against him. Is this appropriate proper use of Classification Authority the president does have . No. Its purely punitive by the president. Its the same way he treats journalist, any critic of his, if he has the ability to silence them he will and good National Security reasons to make sure our best experts, elders, states persons continue to have some access to classified information not knowing when they would come back into government we want their skills relevant. I see it as punitive, all the more reason this president needs a check on the wrecking ball hes been through so many freedoms. Thank you for our coverage tonight. Thank you very much. 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We should note it is being done in plain sight today, the white house admitting it has plans to revoke security clearances based on what certain people have said about democracy, politics and trump, which would be their First Amendment right. Here is Sarah Huckabee sanders politicizing public service. The president is threatening to punish those for saying things he doesnt like. Is that president ial . The president is exploring these mechanisms to remove security clearance because they publicize it and actually monetize it for security clearances. Free speech he doesnt like and he wants to punish them for it. No. I think youre creating your own story there. Former intel chief, james clapper, responding today. I think this is just a very very petty, petty thing to do. I think thats a terrible precedent and its a very sad commentary. And its an abuse of the system. Key word there is abuse. You have an intelligence chief saying President Trump is abusing his power over classified information to basically punish descent which falls on President Trumps unprecedented public attacks on many former officials. If you look at clapper, he sort of admitted they had spies in the campaign. I think james comey has a lot of problems, if you look at what he did, you look at all the lie, the tremendous lies, i think james comey has a lot of problems. Its been terrible. You look at brennan, look at clapper, look at hayden, look at comey, look at mccabe, take a look at all the shenanigans that have gone on. Very hard to have confidence in that group. I have no confidence in a guy like brennan. I think hes a total low life. I have no confidence in clapper. Here are six of the former National Security officials the white house is targeting, theyre intelligence and fbi officials and former fbi director brennan now an analyst for nbc news. The most important thing here those people may have in common, theyre all witnesses against the president in an open criminal probe. Comey, mccain and brennan. This may be even worse than potentially punishing them for what they have said, this may be an attempt out in the open to discredit them over what they saw and what they could potentially tell prosecutors. Im joined now by michael steele, former rnc chair and priest, who has given bob mueller his intelligence briefing and the author of secrets. Is this appropriate . Its not appropriate and not historically precedented. We dont have examples of former officials in the National Security arena being attacked by removing security clearances so they cant continue to talk to their old colleagues about classified matters. I can think of only one example, sandy berger the National Security advisor for bill clinton. He had a three year suspension of his security clearance. That was for a very specific act. He was caught removing materials from the National Archives when he was going over them for the 9 11 commission and then he lied to investigators about what he did with those documents . Didnt he put them in his socks . It was rumored it was his socks and underwear and later his suit pocket. Either way hes smuggling them out. His security clearance was removed and he was unable to do things in classified spaces. Everything else is different in this case. Michael steele would tell you the only thing coming out of a suit pocket coming out of the archive is a nice wellplaced hankie like he has today. You got it. There are people who left government being perfectly political in their remarks. Look at some of james comeys latest electoral advice, democrats, dont lose your mind and rush to the socialist left. All people who believe in the countrys values must vote for democrats this fall. That strikes me as a politically absurd statement. People have all kinds of values about their vote. James comey is firing off like hes in a nice blog comment section. Certainly if one believes it or not it shouldnt be the reason for it. What do you think . Unless theres a regulation or guideline for former individuals at that position that they cannot participate in Public Discourse because they have access to classified information, youre talking about individuals and their free speech rights. You may not like what mr. Comey says or mr. Clapper or anyone else has to say. Just because they served as a former dni or National Security advisor or whatever doesnt preclude their free speech rights once they leave that position. Has nothing to do with responsibilities under current law and regulation to be a part of that network of individuals who get continued classified briefings. This boils down to one simple thing, the president is pissed because these folks are talking smack about what hes doing at the white house. He doesnt like it. He cant strike at them because they dont work for him. He can do the one thing, go at the one nexus he has to his administration, forever you will, that is that they still get these classified briefings. I think that makes perfect sense, michael, what youre saying and goes back to this seems to be a very emotional president breaking the rules and doing things experts say undermine National Security, because theres something, as you put it, makes him upset. Hes also upset about a Current National professional, upset over mr. Coats comments here. Take a look. I do want to say, we have some breaking news. The white house has announced on twitter vladamir putin is coming to the white house in the fall. Say that again. [ laughter ] vladamir putin coming did i hear you . Yeah, yeah. Okay. Thats going to be special. Now, coats says, my admittedly awkward response in no way meant to be disrespectful or criticize the actions of the president. All awkward laughter aside, michael, this country has gone to war over the misuse of polarization of intelligence or pressure on intelligence agencies to come up with results to please the president. Isnt this bad . Yeah. It is. I think the fact that you have someone of his stature not involved in the conversation hes getting a reporter the president made a decision he should be involved in. What reaction do you think he should have . That he should pretend he knows about this takes place with putin and others that find, no, you didnt know, hes caught in a lie. He did the right thing. Now, hes got to walk it back. It still to your point goes to the underlying truth of this administration. The pressure youre seeing now put on special access to the white house through security briefings or pushing back on the dni has to do with the pressure coming from the investigation by robert mueller. This thing is getting tighter, the president is reacting and being very reactive to it, in a way hes showing a lot more than he probably would want to otherwise. Ari, let me build on something michael said on the dan coats point. Dan coats is an exemplary human being, one of the nice people ive met, in fact in his confirmation hearings to being dni, the main objection to being dniis are you going to be tough enough to bang Heads Together in the intel community. Because it was admittedly awkward on stage is not the fault of dan coats, thats the fault of the white house which let him go onto a stage in a live event without telling him not only what happened in the helsinki meeting he said he had not been informed about but without telling him about this policy announcement about the visit. All the awkwardness should be on the part of the white house officials that put him in that position rather than dan coats himself. You make a great point about the projection. He didnt play himself, he was played by his bosses who didnt do him the basic process of mentioning a giant intelligence matter that would be announced. David priess and michael steele, calling carter page the agent of a foreign power and trump says it helps him. Chris hayes to break it down in 30 seconds. Please dont, im saving those for later. At least you dont have to worry about renters insurance. Just go to geico. Com. Geico helps with renters insurance . Good to know. Been doing it for years. Thats really good to know. Ill check em out. Get to know geico. And see how easy homeowners and renters insurance can be. The other top story tonight is unprecedented. This is the first time the u. S. Government has ever released a secret foreign intelligence wiretap application, heavily redacted as you can see. This 400 pages of documents does show some light on former campaign advisor, carter page. Chris hayes has been reporting on it from the very start, he interviewed carter page on the ins and outs. This is what were learning, debunking some of the attacks, showing the fbi first applied for a wiretap in 2016, based on the suspicion he was an agent of a foreign power. The kremlin conducting targeted recruitment on him to undermine the 2016 election. Wow, the fbi appearing to play the collusion card saying it believes russia quote coordinated with page and others associated with the Trump Campaign. The Court Approved of this wiretap of page. There isnt any public evidence which has shown any problem with the fact he was surveilled. That does not prove he was a Foreign Agent or done anything criminal but several judges found there was good reason to investigate him. If youre keeping score that means the new material does help some critics of the Trump Campaign more than it helps page who once told chris hayes he thought this moment today would somehow help him. I think when the truth comes out, when Speaker Paul Ryan says, the fisa warrant or the details about the dodgy dossier and what happened and documents will be released, thats what im really excited about. The truth will set a lot of people free. Here is some of the truth. Yeah. Redacted truth. Tell us. Theres a few key things here. One, you have to take a step back for a second, right . The entire chronology of the story about the origin of this and its centrality of the witch hunt makes no chronological sense. The investigation starts in summer of july and this application happens in october. It has never scanned the origin story of what happened was the quote dossier was carter page was fisa surveillance. The dates dont line up. That becomes clear here. Second of all, there is the other thing that strikes me is think about the secrecy of this document and explosiveness of it had any part of it made public in october of 2016. That would have been terrible. We worry about russians subverting with carter page. Carter page has never been formally accused of a crime or indicted. Its another indicator of the degree of alarm there was in realtime while that campaign was happening while there was allegations of collusion and never ever was a peep made in public or leaked any of it to the public. Something you reported on for a long time was the weaponization and misuse of information laundered in the conspiracy theory. We keep having those moments rules are changed or broken and precedence broken to get something out. When it finally comes out its the opposite of what it says. Take look at this analysis now that its all out today. Is he concerned or does he not believe the Intelligence Communitys assessment carter page was a russian agent . I think weve spoken extensively on our position and have no changes. Not exactly a victory lap. This has been heres the thing. Theres a pattern where the attempt to attack and subvert the investigation with collusion of a foreign adversary by something you cant see, its a neat trick, over there in the box it shows a deep state conspiracy and eventually the box gets opened up and they say its what they said. Carter page, believe this is exsculptorry, believes he was the part of a vast conspiracy is doing the same thing today. Did he text you that today . No. But he is very celebratory what this document does and what it shows is a rigorous process to deal with what was at the time in realtime and inordinately serious set of allegations. Doesnt it show concrete evidence from multiple sources of a suspicion that he was either knowingly or unknowingly being abused by a foreign power, and thats bad . Its that latter part that was key, much of what was said in that application we could read was somewhat being recruited without his knowledge to an agent of a foreign power as they were trying to subvert this election. There seems to be a lot of that, right . There are attempts to a lot of recruitment and reaching out, a lot of doors getting knocked down throughout that campaign. Now that we know about we didnt know about at the time. Theres this other aspect of this, people say play free bird, we go back to the classics. You are here. Lets play the free bird, chris hayes exchange with carter page. You told one reporter i had no meetings with the russians. Now you say i had no meetings with the russians. I want to know did you meet sergey in cleveland . Did you talk to him . I will not deny i talked to him. I will say i never met him anywhere outside of cleveland. The only time you met him was in cleveland . I may have met him. This was this has been, carter, sort of lined throughout, a kind of grudging glancing admission there were contacts with russians in all sorts of context, theyre always like, theyre just nothing, i met him for five minutes or met this person or maybe i met this deputy of an oil company. Will read you the last line because you and i like to read what witnesses say, i may have met him, possibly, i might have met him. This happens time and time again. Part of what is key to understand about this fisa application, hes having these brushups and interactions with various people. The Intelligence Community already is running surveillance on a lot of them on the other side. The reason theres an application on carter because he is an american citizen. You cant surveil an american citizen without going the fisa court. A russian agent you can surveil. Theyre looking at the other side, what people are reporting back in the interior of the russian intelligence about the contact with the individual causing them in part to want to surveil him in the first place. That goes to what might be asymmetric information here. That is the key to understanding this whole thing. The feds are all over it. To quote shawn carter, feds still lurking somewhere in america, miley cyrus still twerking and the feds are lurking all over. Chris hayes, like any night, watch all in. 8 00 p. M. As always. My special thanks to chris hayes. Up next, what Donald Trumps Supreme Court pick says should have happened forcing the release of the nixon tapes up next. Gas, bloating, constipation, and diarrhea can start in the colon, and may be signs of an imbalance of good bacteria. Only Phillips Colon Health has this unique combination of probiotics. It helps replenish good bacteria. Get fourinone symptom defense. Ive been making blades here at gillette for 20 years. 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He has the criteria of being legal to the sitting president , in this case, donald trump. It makes him look like hes a judge effectively built in a lab to insulate this president with his specific problems. Kavanaugh, a staunch conservative has many positions objected to. The Mueller Probe is what has Many Democrats fired up. Bob mueller is a consummate professional who should be allowed to finish this. My worry and twhoer of others, if we go ahead to kavanaugh to the Supreme Court he could short circuit this. Judge kavanaughs background as partisan political operative seems exactly like the type of man President Trump would want from the Supreme Court if legal issues from the Mueller Probe arise. He chose the one person that has written he should have immunity from investigation and prosecution that might result. Democrats insists kavanaugh recuse himself from any mueller cases that come before the court. This is not the first time the question arose. President nixon ultimately believed a sitting president was above the law. What in a sense youre saying is that there are certain situations, and the houston plan or that part of it, was one of them, where the president can decide its in the best interests of the nation or something and do something illegal . Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal. That means its not illegal or if theres no criminal probe theres no one to decide if it were illegal. Kavanaugh, by questioning this decision, that was unanimous to release those nixon tape is potentially significant. If that didnt happen we might have never heard this. The way to handle this now is for us to have walters call pat gray and just stay the hell out of this. Stay the hell out of this. That is the kind of tape that confirmed a president ial coverup. We had a lot of talks about tapes in the last few weeks. No one knows right now if there are truly pivotal tapes that could resolve the russia probe. 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This new film blindspotting, out in select theaters now. Take a look. Stop stop dont shoot. [ gunshots ] joining me now, the writers and stars and producers of this new movie blindspotting, which includes da reid vide diggs, a tony and grammy award winner for his role in the broadway hit hamilton. And rafael casal, poet and oakland native. Thank you both for joining me. Lets start with why are you focusing on this story now . The truth of the matter is weve been focusing on this story for the last ten years. It took us a decade to get this film made. And oftentimes we say we wish it felt like a period piece, that a lot of the things in it, it would be great if we could look at shootings like that and say oh, man, 2009 was rough. You know. But we just saw the numbers. Right . These are things that keep happening. Police shootings are such a dividing line in our politics. And for people who thought there was progress going into Donald Trumps Electoral College victory, he obviously activated a lot of people who want pushback. Ive done that as United States attorney. To prosecute Police Officers who do wrong. But we need so far as we can in my view to help Police Departments get better, not diminish their effectiveness. And im afraid weve done some of that. So were going to try to pull back on this. And i dont think its wrong or mean or insensitive to civil rights or human rights. Should the Justice Department take sides of police before theyve done the investigation of the tragedy . Obviously not. And youll see in the film, this isnt a film about demonizing Police Officers. You know, ethan embery plays the officer involved in this case and does a wonderful job of humanizing him. Our point here was to point out the effect of loss of life on a community. Right . And explore the complexity of that issue. I notice you say loss of life. This movie doesnt take a position on whether that shooting was a murder. I mean, that shooting was a murder. The from my perspective, right . Acknowledging all of my blind spots. But i think there is a debate to be had in terms of the humanity of each person, of every person involved in the situation. Now were in this polarized place where the idea of saying that black lives matter is inherently opposing the support of the police force. And i think that idea of making a equal b takes away the complexity of the conversation. This movie is a very personal story about the people involved. But the most problematic elements of the film are the systemic things that are bothering all of the characters in different ways. If we hope for anything by people watching this story, its that its not so easy to pick a villain. Thats too simple. Thats too obvious. Thats too divisive. I want to play for you some of your colleagues from hamilton, when mike pence went to see the show, a lot of people thought thats great that hes seeing the show. Then he was booed by the audience, not by the actors. But lets take a look at this moment. [ boos ] truly we hope this show has inspired you to uphold our American Values and to work on behalf of all of us. All of us. [ applause ] what did you think of that moment . Why do you think so Many Political leaders and people who work in journalism and facts were so moved by hamilton . Well, i think theres a longstanding tradition in the theater of taking the opportunity of a lot of people being gathered in a space to say things that are important, that are important to a community. And in studying for that role did you know previously that Thomas Jefferson was such an accomplished rapper . I suspected because i read a ton of his writing. I hadnt heard any of the recordings, you know. I think most of them are lost or whatever. A lot of lost bsides. Old vinyl. Really the battles, they dont tape those things. They dont. Well, sometimes you dont know when the battles going to pop up. Yeah. Not right now. Im really happy to have both you here and learn about the work youre doing. Thank you very much. Thank you both. Community orgs like united way, nonprofits like the american red cross, and our nations veterans. We knew helping our communities was important then. And we know its even more important today. So were stepping up to volunteer more and donate over a Million Dollars every day. So our communities can be even stronger. Its a new day at wells fargo. But its a lot like our first day. In testing our performance line, we go to at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. Lease the 2018 is 300 and is 300 awd for these terms. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. You shouldnt be rushed into booking a hotel. 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Well, today we live in a country governed by a head of state who believes in his right to dictate the truth and to punish those who refuse to speak it. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington. In his latest attempt to erase, distort, or otherwise dictate the truth, President Trump today threatened to punish his critics who have spoken out about russian interference. Six former officials now face the prospect of losing their security clearances. They include former cia director john brennan, who is also an msnbc analyst. Former nsa director micha