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and she was loved by everyone. >> that boyfriend chris hurst and anchor at the station dating parker, he described her last moments together earlier on "morning joe." >> yesterday morning i made her her favorite scrambled eggs and a smoothie and packed her a lunch. i never had done that before for any woman, for anyone. but i wanted to do it for alison because i loved her so much and i just took so much joy and something so minor as cutting strawberries for her to pack for her for a lunch. >> meanwhile, friends and family of the third victim, vicki gardner, held a prayer service for her this morning. doctors have upgraded her condition to good. this is after she went through surgery after being ushd are from that seen. hallie jackson is live in virginia where the murders occurred. hallie, nbc news obtained new court documents. >> these are from a lawsuit filed by the shooter, vester flanagan, against wdbj, the tv station here in the roanoke rkt what. the documents describe, for example, the day that flanagan was fired from the station, describing really from the station files what was a violent outburst, flanagan had to be physically removed from his chair by station management who felt that flanagan was such a threat that they had to call 911 station employees were warned at not to allow flanagan on the property and if they saw him to call the police a couple of off-duty officers were even stationed on the property the weekend after the dismiss tall. new details were in addition to the 23-page facts sent to abc news just hours after the shooting from somebody claiming to be vester flanagan who went on air as bryce williams in which he talked about the charleston church shooting back in june as the tipping point for his actions here on wednesday morning. for the first time now we're hearing from flanagan's family releasing a statement via a family friend. take a listen here to what she had to say. >> it is with heavy hearts and deep sadness we express our deepest condolences to the families of alison parker and adam ward. we are also praying for the recovery of vicki gardner. our thoughts and prayers at this time are with the victim's families and with wdbj television station family. >> the crime scene here appears to be winding down. far fewer police out here today than yesterday, thomas. but the local sheriff here does say it appeared flanagan's life was beginning to spiral out of control. thomas? >> nbc's hallie jackson reporting for us in virginia. thank you. i want to bring in adam riess, live in roanoke just outside the tv station where the general manager and news director are going to speak in a couple of hours. adam, speak to the growing memorial we see over your shoulder. >> sure, thomas. the general manager said the mood here very some bor. not only outside here but inside the station. they went ahead with the broadcast this morning with very heavy hearts. actually heal lly held hands on during parts of the broadcast. moment of silence at 6:45 to remember their colleagues who they watched gun down on live tv in cold blood outside here at the memorial they're actually two growing memorials here, flower, people coming by, somber mood, paying their condolences. people here in the community of roanoke feel like they knew alison and adam. they were in their holmes every day. i talk to one couple who drove an hour to come here. they say they felt like they were members of the family. they watched every day. and of course they were watching yesterday in absolute horror in watching it unfold. we heard today from alison parker's father, andy parker, completely heartbroken. he said he wanted to talk about her role here in the community. she wanted to be a part of the community. she loved the reporting. he is on a mission for gun control. he will be the john walsh of gun control. he said he won't let up until something is done. >> msnbc's adam riess, the composure that her father has demonstrated in so many different interviews, his conviction to see something about with gun control in this country is inspiring. adam, thank you very much. we'll talk again shortly. the shooting of the journalists in virginia has ignited a debate about content being posted via social media and online users urged others not to watch or recirculate the footage posted by vester lee flanagan. could more have been done? we want to know your thoughts. should social networks prevent violent videos from being reposted? the pulse is life now so joined the conversation. pulse.msnbc.com. we're going to look at your responses coming up later this hour. also developing from the political field. donald trump back on the campaign trail and today he visits south carolina. the republican front runner appeared in greenville and almost immediately began talking about his ongoing fight with univision anchor jorge ramos. almost immediately afterwards trump tackled one of the most controversial aspects of his personal style, his hair and the question of is it real or isn't it. take a listen. >> ricardo sanchez, known as el mandrel, or spanish drive time radio show in los angeles has taken to calling donald j. trump el hombre del pelican. in other words, the man of the toupee. this is on the front page of the "new york times." i don't wear a toupee. it's my hair. i swear. come here. come here. come, come. is it mine? look. >> it is. >> it is. >> say it, please. >> yes, i believe it is. >> thank you. >> the witness may step down. nbc's katie. >> terry: is foll campaign in greenville, south carolina, around washington correspondent with bbc world news america caddie kay. i think we can attest that we have seen the hair up close, while we have not touched it or run our fingers through it, it is the real deal. katy tur -- >> i have no comment on that. >> south carolina is unique for another reason because all the candidates that are running are going to have to go through there. the republican primary. and swear their loyalty by the eventual nominee the end of next month they hope to have that done. what do you think donald trump is doing there today, how he's rallying the already encouraged support he has in the state of south carolina? >> he's doing exactly what he has been doing so far in this campaign. he's coming to perfect this stump speech of him of his where he rails on immigration and he rails on business and he also rails on the media quite a bit as we just saw. but he is fighting back against the establishment in a lot of ways. now, the establishment is trying to find a way to fight back against him. here in south carolina they're going to try and make all the candidates sign a pledge that they will umt mautultimately sue republican nominee to get on a ballot. that is not a subtle at all threat to donald trump who has said that he is not going to rule out a third party run. i asked him whether he would sign this a couple days ago. he said that they're thinking about it, that they have plenty of time to decide on that. privately there are reports that he has told gop leaders though that he will sign that, which would mean he would be backing off a major component of his anti-establishme anti-establishment shpiel that he gives. >> there has been a rebuke against traditional politicians, especially when we look at the latest poll coming from quinnipiac. he's doing so well. and then jeb bush is polling slightly lower. we also have scott walker fairing a little bit more well than john kasich and we see a climb for carly fiorina. it's donald trump who leads. so it's -- the question being here of whom would you not vote for? okay. definitely not support. we see there are 26% donald trump. what does this say though about this message about being the traditional politician. >> it's so interesting, isn't it that conflict within amongst his supporters. people who seem to like him and people are equally saying they would definitely never support him. he excites passions equally on both ends of that debate. and i think, you know, the question for donald trump at some point is going to have to be moving into the middle, diminish that 26% number and getting people in the middle to say not only do they like his style, kind of, you know, the way hes toes "the new york times" interview there in greenville and the way he talks about his toupee and so adamant about taking out isis, the frank way he addresses the economy, the words he uses on immigration. he's got to get away from just that, the excitement of people thinking here's a guy that doesn't sound like everyone else to people in the middle saying, okay, these are things i could actually vote for and are prepared to go to the polls for and that his policies and what he's going to do for the country hold water. i think if he doesn't get that, that bulk in the middle, despite all the excitement at the moment, thomas, at some point voters going to the polls are going to have to say, is this guy somebody that's actually lebltable? >> is this real or just a summer love affair. katie, when we look at the different three insdatances nown interviews donald trump mentions that his favorite book is the bible and he was asked about that yesterday, specifically certain questions on it. take a look. >> you mentioned the bible. you've been talking about how it's your favorite book and you said i think last night in iowa some people are surprised you say that. i'm wondering what one or two of your most favored bible verses are. >> i wouldn't want to get into it because to me that's very personal. when i talk about the bible it's very personal. i don't want to get into it. >> no verse that means a lot to you that you think about or cite? >> the bible means a lot to me but i don't want to get into specifics. >> even to cite a verse that you like? >> no, i don't want to do that. >> old testament guy or new testament guy? >> probably equal. >> equal. okay. so, katy, do you think that is a gotcha kind of question or is this something that trump can gloss over the details and still succeed in his campaign by saying things like my favorite book is the bible, i don't have a specific passage which i would like to recite right now or even i'm an old testament or new testament guy. can this all work? >> i think that is a gotcha question. i think it does show that maybe he's not prepared to answer the questions about his like of the bible and his christianity. but -- that's something that only come up in his stump speeches in the last few weeks. it wasn't there before. you didn't hear him talk much about religion other than to say that he hasn't had to ask for forgiveness before because basically he does most things correctly. so this is a new aspect to what he's talking about. it's definitely trying to cater to the more evangelical, the more fervent religious portion of the republican base. and is it going over well with them? that remains to be seen. right now when we speak to people who are on the more religious side not necessarily talking about his religious support. they're talking about i'm xwrags. they're talking about how they like that he's a straight shooter. that does b seem to be something that resonates with them as much as everything else. so i'm not sure how much that's going to get him in the end. when i do speak to the younger voters that come out here to see him they are conservative fiscally but a lot are liberally socially and would like to see him back off some of the things like his -- how he's not a for or gay marriage. they would like to see him where they believe middle of the line on these social issues. and that's where he's going to need to get to in order to get farther past the primaries but in order to get to the primaries, he's got to get this rally this base of support that is certainly more, the more conservative part of the party. >> all right. so meanwhile we are waiting for this media availability where donald trump is going to take questions from reporters that are covering his campaign as he's in south carolina today. and we saw earlier this week the decision that jorge ramos had with donald trump being escorted out of a media availability only to be let back in later. and then also donald trump took on megyn kelly after she returned from her vacation. so we've got him once again reigniting the spark of issue with megyn kelly that we thought that was squashed beef. taking on women journalist and now he's taking on one of the most highly influential latino journalists at univision. do you think and expect that donald trump might do the same type of dust-up once again? >> yeah. i mean, taking on journalists is not going to lose donald trump any of his supporters. that's a fairly easy equation for him to make. whether it's megyn kelly or jorge ramos. there is more of an issue amongst hispanics at the moment by donald trump's rise and concerned by his rise. i was speaking yesterday to republicans who also in touch with hispanics saying, listen, we think it's time for the hispanic community maybe to start taking on donald trump because that will force the other republican candidates to come out more strongly gins him. they feel that he's got too easy a ride from the other republican candidates and something has to push those republicans now that he's polling at 35% and new hampshire to be able to say we actually going to take this guy on because otherwise this is going to spin out of control. clearly concern there amongst the other republican candidates. so far though they haven't really hit back at him. i don't even know if a big hispanic outpouring and out kls cry from hispanics would make that much difference at this point. >> the political paradigm has shifted in how this campaign is being run out of a respond to certain things and what works for them, what doesn't. >> even your bible question, thomas, i can see a lot of donald trump supporters saying fair enough. why should he talk about his favoriters haves in the bible. this smacks a little bit of the sarah palin question, we don't real i like reporters who ask those kinds of questions and that's his personal business. we're fine with it. the issue of gay marriage among younger supporters, i felt during that bloomberg ver view several times he said either i haven't read it, i'm not going to name it, i haven't got a position here yet or fumbled issues like the gay marriage question. i think for the younger voters, well, i would address that when it came to it with my grandchildren and tell them about my personal beliefs, that's not something for somebody in the position potential thely for running policy in this country. >> nbc's katy tur in south carolina for us and katty kay in washington, d.c. i want to point out we will go to the media availability with donald trump when it's ready. coming up, will he or won't he? 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what's needed? >> well, thomas, i think that that's certainly the main consideration at this point as well as how his wife jill biden feels about him going forward. don't forget a lot of this conversation was started in part because beau biden did encourage his fat sther to run. that's an element as well. you've seen biden grieve very publicly and the country really grieved with him. that's added a dimension to his public persona that wasn't -- while it had been there, obviously he lost his wife and child in a car accident earlier in his life, it's not something that a lot of younger voters remember. now they have that tied in with him. and you know, we should also point out that biden has some other considerations beyond just his family. he's actually meeting potentially as we speak up the street at his official residence with richard trumka, the president of the afl-cio, federation of labor union. the other piece of this is him deciding whether or not there are enough democratic constituencies that he could rally behind him. trumka is a very important one and labor had frankly had some difficult times with the clintons over the years. >> labor endorsement would be a big leg up for joe biden if he was considering actually throwing his hat in the ring. msnbc's kasie hunt at the white house. coming up next, we're going to fill you in that breaking news, the prep school rape case in the hands of the jury. ♪ mother nature can turn in an instant; don't turn back. introducing the new 2016 ford explorer. be unstoppable. ♪ this is my fight song... you are looking at can you spot the difference? 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[ bleep ] had to make the decision whether it would be her reputation that was going to go into the toilet or owen's. she took the easier choice. >> so what do you make of the defense attorney's comments about the accuser? they have to make her credibility appear null and void. >> of course. i think he's just ignoring the fact that so many defense attorneys do that no person would put themselves through this. the trial process, the -- being battered by the media and by everyone. and her reputation is on the line. and she's a young girl. she is a kid. i know there's a lot of debate on what's the verdict is going to uncover. i think she's very credible. i think let's look at the evidence. there was dna. his dna on her underwear. and i don't believe, unless i'm missing something, there was an alternative explanation for the dna. and the rape kit examer said that a laceration that was consistent with penetration was found. >> with this jury being made up mostly of men -- >> great question. i'll tell you. i'll tell you. men are more sympathetic to the victim. usually females are more critical of other females, so that's interesting. it was a great question you asked that because having nine men on there i think you're going to find more sympathy for the girl. and believability. >> and if any of these men happen to be dads of daughters. sema, great to have you. you can watch k"the docket ". coming up next, as we learn more about the two journalists who lost their lives on the job, i'll speak with one of alison parker's former colleagues and we are going to cover the breaking news tropical stormer erik as the storm turns deadly. south florida is watching the storm closely. and still ahead, new revelations about the ceo of the cheating website ashley madison that may or may not surprise you. take a look at these bbq best cracked pepper sauce... most ribs eaten while calf roping... yep, greatness deserves recognition. you got any trophies, cowboy? 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>> of course. we had only been together nine months. i know that's not a long period of time, but we had a love that burned white hot. we met at the christmas station party last year. that's not when we met but for some reason something came over me and i saw her in the most beautiful sequin golden dress. >> i remember. >> everyone remembers the way she looked that day. something came over me. something in my head said, chris, you've got to do something to get her attention, to get her to be interested in you. for some reason she was interested back. and we had our first date on new year's day. we went to a mexican restaurant. she loved mexican food. and we couldn't even eat any of our food we were so nervous. we just talked the whole time. it was the start of nine wonderful months. we celebrated monthaversaries because we never got to have an anniversary. >> that was chris hurst talking about his girlfriend alison parker who was gunned down on 28th vision yesterday morning on live television. anchor at wcti in north carolina where alison parker once worked. she joins us on the phone to talking about her former colleague and friend. i know you and alison kept in touch via social media since she left your station. by all accounts she was extremely hardworking and given, positive. what would you like us to know about your friend alison? >> i just -- i think for a lot of us at news channel 12, it's so difficult to digest the world watching this and how seeing her name on the lower -- on television networks and having people reach out from different countries, this as the world is watching, in so many ways the world is stopped because you look at somebody so healthy and vibrant and energetic and, you know, you and i both know there are different kinds of reporters and she was on her way to the top. and she was 24 years old. it's really hard to see her smile on your screen right now. it's hard to hear her father. he's completely heartbroken. everything you see in the photos from the goofiness to the seriousness, she had the balance that every person, i believe, craved the social, the professional, the athletic, the all american girl, that is alison parker. and it's weird being on this side of the interview, you know, doing an interview right now. you're the one that does it, i do it. i can't explain to you how tragic this is and how everybody in our newsroom, it's a dark cloud is hanging over our heads. and to think that she was in her hometown community and she was reporting live on the air. and even the sheriff saw what happened on live tv. there are so many layers to this that make you evaluate your own life and that's where we're at right now at the station and, adam, i have no clue who he is. and that's the thing about this. you don't have to know either one of these people to feel how -- >> i totally agree with you. this is just making so many people heart sick because these are community members that we invite into our home every morning no matter what market you live in. you have a tv station that you watch as you get dressed andrey your coffee and the regular folks you have in and these are the faces, the friends that you invite to do that. now, for those of us that work in tv news we know what it's like when you finally get that job in your hometown. and this was obviously a big deal for alison to go home to be near her family where they could watch her stories on the air. for you and for those colleagues there in newburn, how did you learn that it was alison that was the victim in this shooting? >> oh, that's a wild question. you know, there are these station events that we sponsor. and the north carolina seafood festival is coming up and we're the sponsor. and so all of the mainline talent caravanned off to the beach and we were at this fabulous breakfast and all of these people. we were shaking hands with and smiling and our meteorologist jonathan, i look over at him, he was sitting next to me. he looked like a -- i don't even know. i looked at his face, and i -- i said, what's wrong? and he pushed his phone toward me with the screen up, all lit up. and a former colleague of ours, again, we're all connected no matter where we've gone in life. amber roberts, she basically told us through text message so we all found out at a very important event yesterday and just left -- it was awful. i can't explain it. >> our hearts go out to you. we're so sorry about the loss of your friend and former colleague there at wtci, anchor there. anna, thanks for your time. we send you and all of your colleagues nothing but the best. we know how difficult this is. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> absolutely. the other story we've been following today in politics is happening in south carolina. donald trump now taking questions after holding his rally an he's doing so one-on-one with the media. let's listen in. >> well, if you look at jeb bush where he said he wouldn't fund women's health care issues, okay, and women's health issues, i thought that was a terrible thing for him to say. and nobody will take care of women. i cherish women. and i say it all the time. i cherish women. i will take care of women. and i won't be going around saying i'm not going to fund a certain program. women under my administration will be taken care of. not like jeb bush. what he said was a disgrace. >> south carolina primary -- [ inaudible ] >> well, all i do is some meet and greets. people ask me when i come in when i say hello so i do meet and greets. as you know, other than the little donations where people send in $7 and $20 and. even, you know, in some cases hu hundreds of dollar, i will do an occasion meet and greet. go ahead. >> requirement in the south carolina republican party the candidates sign a pledge they will support the eventual nominee. will you sign that pledge? >> we have plenty of time to think about it because i think that's september 30th. there's a lot of time. we will be making announcements on different things over the next couple of weeks. >> a lot of support, mr. trump, you seem to be getting a lot of support or growing support from radical right wing folks and white supremacist groups. does h concern you? >> that, i don't know about. you're telling something i didn't know about that. somebody else mentioned that also. i don't know about that. question? yes, go ahead. >> what do you think about -- >> about what? >> what do you think about the -- [ inaudible ] >> i haven't heard about it. he was on the other side so he's saying things. you would have to ask him. he's a wonderful guy. sam, he's a wonderful guy. a terrific guy. and i'm way ahead in iowa. i'm leading the polls a lot even before sam joined. we would love to have sam. obviously the fact that he joined, i think says so much. but we love having sam. you are going to have to do something because you can't allow this to happen and what happened in virginia is absolutely terrible. so sad to see this mag any sent, these magnificent two people and the woman that was hurt. but these mag anif but these mag aniicent two people, so sad. something has to happen. at the same time, it's not about the guns, it's about mental instability. you have people with great mental instability. it's a shame because if you look at this man that did this horrible act, people knew that he was mentally unstable for years. and it's a shame that he couldn't have been in a hospital or something. yes, go ahead. >> hillary clinton -- women's health issues. [ inaudible ] >> well, i tell you what. she can maybe speak to jeb bush on that issue because he was very negative on women health issues. i've been very positive. in fact, my daughter ivanca and my wife, they were strong -- they know how i feel about women and women's health issues. and they said, you should really talk about it more. but for me it's going to be a very major thing. i know jeb bush really said some bad things and he said bad on asian. he all of a sudden talking about arch kor babies and he steered it over to the asians and now the asians are upset with jeb bush. so you're going to have to ask him about those. i will take care of women's health and women's health issues better than anybody and far better than hillary clinton who doesn't have a clue. and i don't think maybe she won't even be in the race. we'll have to see. but maybe she won't. yes? >> address the african-american community? >> i've had great -- i've had great friendships in the african-american community. as you know, they're suffering. they've never had bad job numbers like they do right now, especially african-american youth. it's terrible what's happening. as you see i have great relationships because you're seeing the poll numbers. one of the things that was so nice in south carolina and other places where they do the polls and they break the polls down, i do great in the african-american community. you know one of the reasons is because they know i'm going to create jobs. but i've had a great relationship with the african-american community. i appreciate the question. >> auto industry for exporting to the united states. the south is full of plants creating jobs. how do you conciliate -- >> many, many jobs are taken from the united states because our trade negotiators are the worst. we don't have people that know anything about negotiation. whether it's -- by the way, you can go back to the iran deal, you can go back to trade deals. we don't have anybody in this country that knows what they're doing in terms of negotiation. we have a president that doesn't have a clue. and this could all change. our country will be great again. that, i can tell you. >> better than senior senator -- >> well, i mean, i got a poll that was much higher. i'm at 30%, he's at 4%. i think he's lucky to be at 4%. i would not want to be him and running for office in south carolina. i think he's been a terrible representative for south carolina. and all he does is attack me. his whole line is to attack donald trump. and the beauty is he went down to zero in the national poll. he's got zero. that means out of thousands of people that are polled, he got nobody. i don't know how you can get zero. so i think it's really, you know, got to be a point where it's almost laughable. but his primary motive of getting elected is to attack trump and he went from 4% to 2% to 0 hrs. he's zero right now. he made a very big mistake when he ran because the people of south carolina are watching this farce and i think they are very upset about it. he's not been a good representative for south carolina. with that being said i lead the poll in south carolina and i lead with almost -- with every group, including as we said, the african-american group. they just came out and i have tremendous support. i'm going to come down here soon and make a speech in front of -- african-american small business and i look forward to that. yes, sir, go ahead. >> how do you fix the race relations in this country? >> great question. race relations problems are almost at an all-time worst. and two things. we need jobs and we need spirit. and you know, president obama, i really thought that he would be a unifier. the one thing, i said he's not experienced, i don't know how he's going to do. he won the election. but i thought that one thing he would do is be a unifier, certainly between african-american and white. and i will tell you that's turned out not to be so. he has not been a unifier. he's been a divider. we need spirit in the country. we need cohesiveness and we need jobs. we'll get it fixed. we'll get it fixed. great people. they want jobs so badly. you look at african-american youth, there's 50%, 60%, 70% unemployment. we'll get it fixed. we'll take them back from china. we'll take them back from japan. we'll take them back from mexico. we'll from mexico. we'll take jobs back. we're going to have jobs in this country. okay. >> there was a report out that you're going to begin outreach to some faith leaders. can you talk anything about that. what church do you attend in new york city? >> i am presbyterian protestant. the church i was originally with was the first presbyterian by tear january church in jay ma ka in queens, new york. but now i go to marble church. >> how often do you attend? >> as often as i can. a lot. i go around the country, too. [ inaudible question ] >> at some point i'm going to be meeting with ministers and pastors. as part of the iran deal, we have a pastor over there. he's in iran right now as a prisoner because he's a minister, because he's a pastor, because he's a christian. and we have four other people. why aren't these negotiators that made this horrible deal with iran, 24 days, they do their own inspections. they get $150 billion and more. why aren't they releasing our prisoners? why didn't kerry say, before we begin release our prisoners? you have a journalist, you have four great people. one of them is there because he's a christian. why didn't they say release our prisoners? and that should have happened two years ago. >>. [ inaudible question ] >> we are talking to ted cruz about doing something very big over the next two weeks in washington. it will be announced. it's essentially a protest against the totally incompetent deal that we're making with iran. by the way, even if you break it up, they're going to get $150 billion. they're going to get hundreds of billions of dollars even if you break it up. you know what i'd do, i wouldn't give them the money. that deal -- that location will be announced. >> you mentioned in your speech. [ [ inaudible ] >> you have a silent majority in this country that feels abused, forgotten and mistreated. people haven't heard that term in many years. it's sort of interesting as to why. there are all different reasons. every time i speak, i have sold out crowds. every time i speak, i have standing ovations. every single time. it's the silent majority. they want to see wins. they want to see us have victory. we're not having victory anymore in this country. whether it's trade, military, even the building of our military. you see what's going on? every day i get listings for bases that are for sale. our military is virtually for sale. i'm in the real estate business. i'm always getting listings and the listings are for an army base, naval base. the other thing is, our vets are being treated horribly. we have vets that are the best people. our wounded warriors are being treated terribly. and these are the best people we have in this country. if i win, believe me, they are going to be not fourth class citizens or third, they're going to be number one. our vets, wounded warriors, we are going to treat them the way they should have been treated. but they are being treated horribly. okay. >> have you thought about the history of that term? >> i'm not worried about it. i'm just bringing it to modern day. there's no better expression for what's happening. this is a movement. there is no better expression for what's happening than the expression silent majority. because that's what's happening. in alabama we had more than 30,000 people on a very, very warm day with rain getting ready to pour down in a stadium. it was unbelievable. you saw 4,000 people the other night in iowa. you saw what happened in new hampshire. you saw what happened today for a lunch on. it broke every record. we have a silent majority that wants this country to have victories again and we're going to do it. thank you all very much. thank you. >> all right. so been listening to donald trump there fielding questions after his rally that was taking place in greenville, south carolina. we could hear some of the reporter questions made out there, but we could hear a full-throated donald trump talking about what his campaign means. i'll go over a few of the points talking about -- fielding questions on jeb bush and how women under his administration will be taken care of. one of the other questions about south carolina and its primary being the fact that most and they expect all of the people running in south carolina's primary to sign a pledge that they will eventually support the nominee. he would not say whether or not he'll do that, but he alluded to it for the first time that he's close to the number before. kind of squashing the independent run conversation. our inbed with the trump campaign joins us now. let's talk specifically about the numbers. he said they were record-breaking numbers for people who showed up there. break it down. how were the numbers? what was the room like that he was holding this luncheon rally in. >> reporter: they were talking about can they stand because they were just trying to get in. he definitely had over a thousand people in that room. and really the crowds we've seen both in mobile and new hampshire and now here, he is et gooding thousands of people that are excited to be talking to him and excited to hear from him. they like the straight talk, the bluntness and the lack of political correctness. it's something he consistently hits upon in all of his speeches. he says that now is the time for political incorrectness. the winner of this campaign is not going to be someone who's nice. it's going to be someone who can negotiate and get things done. that's the tone he's taken here today and all of the other places we've heard him in. >> he was talking about our trade negotiators in the u.s. are the worst. also talking about the fact that he would get the jobs back, speaking specifically about the countries of china, japan and mexico. take the jobs back. when you're out there in the field and donald trump is using the term silent majority, he defined that today as those that feel abused, forgotten or mistreated. is that their american story that they feel left behind? >> reporter: i think in terms of who the trump supporter is that i've spoken to, it's more of a person who not necessarily feels left behind, but hasn't been motivated by the political process before and maybe hasn't gotten a chance to feel that they've been reached out to by a politician. and trump is really cutting through to them in that way. his street talk is what they like about him. it's still so early that when you see these people turning out in droves like they have been, he's been calling it a movement. he references the silent majority. that's an old term, but he's reapplying it now to be this previously unspoken to group of people that he's now reaching out to. >> your ifp isn't staying in. the one thing that came up though is a question about the tragedy we've been covering since early yesterday. what happened in moneta virginia outside of roanoke. and he talked about, donald trump there saying that it's not guns. it's about mental instability and quote, shame he couldn't have been in a hospital or something, talking about vester flanagan. it was pete williams that got information today confirming about the two gloks that were purchased legally by vaester flanag flanagan. quote adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution. it seems as if donald trump has talked about the fact that it's not guns, it's about mental health in this country. has he given any specifics on the road about the gun control conversation and about mental health issues? how he would tackle that as president? >> reporter: no. and it really has been -- i'm going to keep my hand here. they pressed him, asking is it a gun problem. like you were saying, he did fall on the more mental health side of it. in terms of specifics, specifics are pretty -- pretty lacking. he's generally reached over the umbrella of it's a mental health issue and he's very big 2nd amendment person. in terms of specifics on gun control, we really haven't heard anything. today was really a day where he was pointing to mental health as the problem and driving the conversation away from guns and the possibility of gun control. >> one of the other bigger things we saw specifically coming out of this and i think what people are entertained by is the charm factor that trump brings on the trail. i just want to show everybody what he did at the onset of today's rally. take a look. >> ricardo sanchez, known as, spanish drive time radio show in los angeles has taken to calling donald trump. [ speaking spanish ] in other words, the man of the toupee. this is on the front page of the "new york times." i don't wear a toupee. it's my hair. i swear. come here. come, come. is it mine? look. >> it is. >> say it, please. >> yes, i believe it is. >> so talking there about the front page of the "new york times" or the description of the "new york times" and the beef that he has going on with jorge ramos and also the fact that his hair is real. when he has these moments with the crowd, they really seem to embrace that, really eat it up from donald trump, don't they? >> reporter: yeah. yeah. the crowd was loving that. that's how he started his time here in greenville just by reading out some excerpts from this "new york times" article. he was saying, i'm from new york. being on the front page is a big deal. he's probably set records in terms on f that. when he reads these things and adds his own commentary to them, people were really receptive to that. it feeds into the narrative that the press is often dishonest and they don't cover him in the right way. supporters will say to me sometimes, are you going to be fair when you use these quotes. that's something that he really continues to stir the pot on. he really makes the media feel like sometimes they aren't always on his side which, you know, you just got to cover the story. >> he wants to be treated a fairly and he will treat people fairly back. now we're joined by raul reyes, attorney and contributor for msnbcnews.com. we didn't hear the front end of most of the questions, but we were able to kind of backfill based on his answers. but using that phrase silent majority talking about those showing up, the abused, the forgotten and the mistreated, but feels that his message is resonating whether it's to minority communities or majority communities because he's going to be able to get the job done. as we look at this new problem with univision's jorge ramos, the fact that he continues on this trajectory against journalists like megyn kelly, jorge ramos. they have a new digital ad that says trump and the rest of the candidates are very close on the subject of immigration. is that an effective way to lunch everybody there from the left or hillary clinton and paint them with the trump brush? >> well, i think it could be. what people have to understand, when we look at for example this controversy he has going now with jorge ramos. it's almost impossible to overstate the impact that someone like jorge ramos has. he has the type of stature that he haven't seen in the united states since maybe the 1950s. he's very well-respected. even among assimilated latinos, he's admired, trusted respected. when latinos see him being treated this way by trump, if you think there's a lot of trump coverage here, on spanish language tv it's absolute saturation. not only for the feuds, but also because they are dissecting trump's proposed immigration policy with a sense of urgency because many of their viewers are personally impacted by it. what should be worries for the gop right now is when you look at the favorability rankings. he's net negative among latinos. that's huge by contrast, mark rue bow is positive five points. >> and there's no way for a republican to take the white house without the latino vote. >> more share the vote last time than the last race. >> great to have you with us. we want to move onto give you an update on the other top story we've been following today. in one hour, the general manager of wdbj is going to be giving all of us an update after the shooting and killing of alison parker and adam ward. we're also expecting a news conference at 5:00 p.m. from officials at the bridgewater plaza shopping center. that's where the shooting took place. their colleagues are still grappling with the shock and trauma of this loss by holding a moment of silence at the exact time stamp they were shot and killed just 24 hours earlier on live tv. >> we are approaching a moment that none of us will forget. it was yesterday around this time that we went live to alison parker and adam ward. we are ending this moment with our continued thanks and support with all of you at home. >> it is so hard to imagine. you can try and put yourself in the shoes of those and the victims' families and their loved ones. alison parker's father spoke emotionally about the loss of his daughter. >> she had the love 067 her life with chris hurst and she loved her family so much and she was loved by everyone. >> meanwhile, new information about the shooting suspect vester flanagan known on air as bryce williams including word that he used a glock handgun in the shooting. pete williams has the details about the gun purchases from washington. pete, what information have you been able to find? >> reporter: well, thomas, law enforcement officials tell us that vester flanagan bought two -- bought two guns last month. they were both the same model. the glock 19 which is perhaps the world's most widely sold firearm. it's a very commonly sold handgun. he bought them legally, they say, from a virginia firearms dealer. this is a .9 millimeter weapon. it can hold a 17-round magazine. that's apparently what he had in it when he carried out the shooting yesterday. there's nothing in his background that would have disqualified him from buying the gun. he was arrested in greenville, north carolina in 2004, but that was a traffic charge. it was dismissed. even if he had been convicted, it was a misdemeanor. and it takes a felony to quiz qualify somebody from buying a gun. as for his mental health, which is what apparently donald trump was talking about, the federal law standard that you were just noting a moment ago is very strict here. to be disqualified on mental health grounds you either have to be judged a mental defective, that's the term in the law, or have been committed to a mental institution. from all accounts flanagan was an unstable co-worker, he didn't meet any of those two standards in the law. when the -- his car was stopped, it was about an hour and a half or so out of washington d.c. the police had to get a search warrant to search the car. they filed in court what they found in the car. they found a pistol, they found magazines for the pistol, the clips that go into the gun, as well adds ammunition. and then some curious things. we knew it had been rented for enterprise rental car. the search warrant return says there were 17 stamped letters and then a briefcase that it says contained three license plates, a wig, an umbrella and sun glasses. it also says that police got onto him as the shooting suspect, quote, based upon a text message sent to a friend, that flanagan sent, sent to a friend making reference to having done something stupid. thomas? >> pete williams out of washington d.c. for us. pete, thank you. as we have all learned, vester flanagan notoriously sent out a series of tweets on the run yesterday. those online postings they've been really concerning. both facebook and twitter took down those potsts. joining me now is brian reece. the killer intentionally put up accounts of what he had done, tried to justify in certain ways why he had done this in targeting alison and adam, using it really to promote the heinous acts he had done. was that helpful for police who were also trying to use that as a way to capture this guy to be able to gps locate him? >> that's a tough question. once those went up, we all saw them immediately. it said two seconds ago. you were like my goodness, this man is on the run from the police actively tweeting during the chase. i don't know if the police can get the gps information that quickly. plus, you have to imagine they're already kind of knowing where he's going. so that's not the only information they have to go by. >> from a societal standpoint and how we use social media as a community access point to be able to keep tabs on each other, this changes the game in a really large way. as you were saying, i did the same thing. i was doing research. i saw live tweets coming from this account. i was in shock thinking that all right this is the guy and he's now disparaging those that have just been murdered. they're not here to defend themselves against his claim and the shocking thing of posting the video that he shot himself from the first person perspective. >> most of the time those accounts have been long vacant or shut down. this was the first case i can remember where we had a direct line to the shooter who was still at large and we could see his motivation unfold in realtime. it's really a terrifying new chapter and we're hopeful it's not emulated in the near future. >> chris hurst, he appeared on the "today" show today. he hasn't watched the videos online. he did express his attitude about the social media angle. >> he obviously was in a -- in a state of mind that was not reasonable or rationale. for me to speculate on motivations for why, i think it does a disservice to alison and adam. what rewith starting to see is continued boldness from people who want to commit murders in cold blood for notoriety. he did it to my sweet alison and he did it to adam. >> how do we draw the line on this kind of extremism to make sure social media companies are committed to the fact that this won't be promoted? >> it's a two tier problem. firsthand, facebook and twitter, they acted fairly fast. you can't ask those companies have a filter between you and facebook. there are a billion people out there uploading content every single day. it's kind of a fine line. they rely heavily on user to report content. six minutes go by, a lot of people start reporting that. they'll eventually start pulling that down. coming up, we have breaking news to cover out of new hampshire for you atz the jury is now deliberating the fate of a high school kid, a kid that was on his way to an elite ivy league school. did he rape an underclassman? we'll dig into that. also, the donald being the donald. we get the perspective from one of his 2016 challengers live here in studio. and tributes continue to roll in for the victims murdered on live tv. we take a look at just how often journalists die in the line of duty. 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for a 15-year-old girl into his reality. he put aside 45 minutes to slay her. and the only two things he brought were a blanket and a condom. >> msnbc is covering the trial in concord, new hampshire and joins us now. break down what the jury is now deliberating over the amount of charges and also how they both, the prosecution and the defense, wrapped up their cases of trying to prove credibility. >> reporter: afternoon, thomas. the case is now in the jury's hands, as you say. labrie is faced with nine charges including three felony sexual assault charges which each carry up to 20 years in prison. this morning, the defense and then the prosecution made their closing arguments in the case. the defense tried to attack the credibility of the girl saying that she fabricated her allegations, the allegations of the sexual assault in order to insulate herself from campus gossip about what the defense says was a consensual meeting between the two. the prosecution made its closing arguments 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republican candidates. here he is specifically attacking jeb bush. >> hillary and jeb, i can't call him bush. he doesn't use his last name. there's a reason he doesn't use his last name. it's not going to work too well. we had a lot of problems with that last name. >> joining me now, former governor of new york, george pataki. when we see donald trump out there on the front lines attacking other leading republicans in the field, is it smart for someone like yourself, for a jeb bush to attack back? >> it's not a question of whether it's smart. it's a question of whether it's right or wrong, thomas. to me, there's no question, when you have a candidate like donald trump who demonizes an entire category of people, mexicans, or he goes after megyn kelly, a respect the journalist, it is wrong to be silent. it is right to speak up. i'm really disappointed that so many of the other candidates seeking the republican nomination are either afraid or agree with him and haven't spoken up. >> meanwhile he's saying he's speaking up for the silent majority of americans. are you surprised at how this is resonating with the republican base since donald trump leads all the polls? do you think he's tapped into something you haven't been able to? >> yes, i am surprised. i'm not surprised that there are a great many americans who are angry at our government who believe this administration has ignored the constitution. in particular when it comes to not enforcing immigration laws and controlling our borders. and i understand that anger. but anger is not a policy. it's not a solution. what we need is someone who can actually have intelligent policies that bring us together. and that's why i'm running. i'm not going to deport 12 million people. i'm not going to take a 12-year-old girl from a classroom who was born in america, speaks english perfectly, has never been outside of the country and put her on a bus and send her somewhere she's never been. i am proud to stand up to donald trump. i wish some of my other colleagues would do so as well. >> the latest republican poll shows donald trump leading followed by another nontraditional additional candidate, that of dr. ben carson. the top ten still largely the same as the first debate except for carly fiorina in it and rand paul out. are you concerned you're not making it in the top ten? if so, how are you going to change that? >> i'm really not. i'm in new hampshire today. the answer i get when i speak to groups or answer questions, it's positive. this is the summer of politics as reality tv. i think ultimately, though, as we get closer to february, people are going to understand that this country has serious problems in washington that we have to take back washington for the people and break the strangle hold the special interests have on policy in washington. i have been a leader of a very blue state. i know i can bring us together. i hope they turn to me. >> thank you, sir, for your time. i appreciate it. >> 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night saying quote, adam, i will never find a man so happy, selfless, protective, funny or charming like you, you were the one. meanwhile, chris hurst talked about their relationship earlier this morning on "morning joe." >> my thoughts are of alison and this book she made for us for our six month anniversary. we had monthiversaries. here, she said we were the cutest newsiest couple ever. and we are. that's what my attention is today. she has scholarships already in her name. and also for patrick henry community college. she got college credit. she barely even went there, but she got college credit because she was an absolute whiz at calculus when she was in high school. she was an excellent dancer. she was a jim that's. we had just moved in at the beginning of august. >> it is so tragic, so sad. these were two young people that had their whole lives ahead of them. they were not the first among journalists in the u.s. my colleague is here with that part of the story. >> it's a horrifying crime. it's something forever etched in our minds. sadly, not the first time a journalist has been killed in the u.s. now eight have been killed, this since 1992. first up we have chauncey bailey. he was shot and killed on his way to work. the reports say the gunman killed bailey to prevent a negative news story. then a man shot in the head in a new york city restaurant. police believe drug traffickers plotted to kill him. this in retaliation for his stories on drugs and money laundering. after that william biggart. he was a freelance photographer. he rushed to the world trade center with his camera when the attacks happened. and then plite was a reporter in miami. he was killed at a benefit for another murdered journalist back in 1993. he had appeared on a hit list of people. reports at the time say that no one had been arrested. these again just eight. it's a reminder of workplace violence. we place it, thomas, as does everybody else in this country, it would seem. >> journalists at the station wdbj, they're in this really awful and unique position of covering a tragedy that happened based out of their own office. this is raising a lot of questions about what, if anything, we can do about workplace violence in this country. i want to bring in a doctor. it's good to have you here. as we talk about this, jeff, and trying to understand how any of this could have happened. we now have court documents obtained by msnbc news which describe vester flanagan and the time he had at wdbj. if we try to use this as a catalyst to figure out workplace violence, is this a great indicator, somebody that didn't work there for almost two years, then shows up to take out some type of revenge fantasy on people who currently work there? >> it's not that unusual. this is a situation where he may have been building up that head of steam, getting more and more angry, making this much, much worse than it was. basically sitting in his own stew to the point of where he explodes. and he said, i am a person who is about to explode. this was going to happen. and that's what's happening in those two years. and in addition to that, getting into run-ins with other people, some of that that we know about. just making the situation even much worse for him. >> meanwhile, most of us have issue or take up issue with certain colleagues. any workplace you run into, tensions can run high. personal conflicts with professional. when do you know where that line should be drawn and how to say, you know what, i think there's a red flag here, i got to say something? >> you have to look i think first at the severity. if it's something where someone is threatening someone else or actually acts out violence on someone else, then that is a zero tolerance. that should be a part of that. and you make sure that the person is reported and that they get help to make sure that there isn't a deeper mental health issue. the other part of that is the consistency, the consistency in which the person is acting out. it doesn't happen once. it doesn't happen twice. but it's part of their tenure that they're constantly getting in trouble, usually not with just one person, but with everyone around them. and therefore you know the red flag is there and this is someone who probably has had lifelong issues. a personality disorder and that needs to be addressed with mental health counselor. >> if you're not privy to a new employee's background record with someone else's company in an hr department, how do you not as human being with compassion and feelings for somebody else, not worry about intimidating another employee, or retaliation based upon your claims, just opening up a whole can of worms? >> absolutely. and you do want to protect the civil rights of the individual. what we need to start doing, when a person moves from one company to the next and we get those refers, it shouldn't be something that, let's just push that envelope. make sure that that person gets help. make sure that they see a psychologist or hr and that they're getting some sort of counselling so they can do better at the next place. when getting those recommendations, read them carefully. >> i think a lot of people are going to recognize this phrase that are in executive leadership, they manage people out. >> uh-huh. >> and then they become somebody else's problem. >> somebody else's problem instead of look, let's do this. we know that you're not a good fit here. let's get you some help. let's get you some training and aftercare so that wherever you go next time, you're not a threat or problem there and you don't come back and haunt us either. >> jeff, great to see you. >> always a pleasure. we've been asking you about the other troubling aspect of the shooting, the gunman's use of social media. how the images of that shooting have been shared over and over again. they did take them down, though, within minutes. should social networks prevent violent videos from being reposted. this is what you've been saying so far. again, it was only within minutes that twitter and facebook put them down. 65% saying yes, they should prevent violent videos from being reposted. go to pulse.msnbc.com. 35% of you think no. switch gears now. this has to do with weather. the tropical storm erika has turned deadly. four people have died in the lesser antilles where the soaking storm has brought dangerous floods and mudslides. erika on track now to hit puerto rico and the u.s. virgin islands as early as today. we're in puerto rico following this storm. so far, it doesn't look ominous there. explain the conditions that you're seeing. >> reporter: it's a beautiful beach day right now, thomas. i have to give you a look at what's happening here. people come here for vacation. while they know that erika is on the way, it's a ways away. in the next eight to 12 hours, we will really see conditions here diminish. like the hotels are very hesitant to tell people when the weather looks like this to not go in the water. yet, you will see over here that we do have the red flag out. that means conditions are dangerous. i don't know if you can see the trees, if you can go up there. we've got stronger than normal winds right now. we have seen what happened in the island of dominica as you indicated. four people are dead there. what we're expecting here, perhaps as much as 8 inches of rain. possible mudslides because there's been so much of a drought here. they need the rain, but not that hard and fast. the worst of it here in puerto rico will be tonight and into the morning. we'll continue to watch it from here. back to you. >> reporting for us in puerto rico. janet, thank you. ten years after the tragedy of hurricane katrina, the city of new orleans is still struggling with the aftermath. we're going to hear from one of the heros of that time. lieutenant general russell honore. and an nbc news exclusive. lester holt's one on one interview with a federal agent who stared down 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>> oh, absolutely. that is the caution that gave my opening statement that there's much work left to be done. some data show 55% of young african-american men between 18 to 25 are not employed. and many of them haven't finished high school. so we've got -- we have a problem that was born before katrina. it may take another five to ten years to get the school system where it's working in an equitable way. to get the economy where it responds to everybody where local people can get jobs and to get the police force and the size it can be so it can do its job. and to have equitable distribution of economic opportunities. >> this is something we have to continue to watch and take measure of because these kids were maybe 8 and 15 that you're talking about now having a tough time ten years later finding a job. what have we learned over this decade where we are today that makes new orleans better prepared if this deadly gut punch of a katrina were ever to happen again? i'll say this, i think the government is a lot better organized. it has redundancy in communication. it has satellite communication. we have a superb evacuation plan that's been tested a couple times since katrina. each time it's been executed, it's done better. i think over the ten-year period, the idea is how we fight the@rowpy that sets in when people start measuring it's only a category 2 storm, i'm not going to leave. as we see this storm in the gulf approaching florida now, we hope people remember the lessons of katrina. if the government say evacuate, you need to evacuate. the problem we had in katrina was, we had 80% effective evacuation rate in mississippi and louisiana. the 20% that didn't evacuate, we saw people captured around the super dome and high-rise. many of those people were people who were economically challenged. meaning they didn't have cars that could make it to memphis. they didn't have credit cards to call and reserve a hotel. they were trapped in the city for economic reasons as much as anything else. >> it's hard to believe that ten years has flown by as quickly as it has. always nice to see you. >> thanks to all the valoluntee and get ready, florida. >> talking about tropical storm erika there and how it may be hitting the southwest u.s. next week. when we come back, lester holt's interview with the special agent that shot clinton correctional facility escapee richard matt. want bladder leak underwear that moves like you do? 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