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Their private insurance. So ill be intrigued to see if administration than we have to corner of the larger social im Kendis Gibson here at reducing services. Be honest with you. Media network n. A report titled msnbc headquarters in new york. One just closed in youngstown. What he does begin to release and listen, we are a long way we begin with breaking news. People dont have access to good his pol w if away. It could be an eternity in were following two major events manufacturing jobs or plants are hiding in plain sight, searchers attempts to release something politics and this could change happening right now. Closing. A plant just closed here. At any given time. With a private they are doing a great job of the rust belt congressman tim downtowns are diminished and we going out to reach voters and from cisco discovered Facebook Ryan is holding his campaign need to revitalize our meet where they are. And i want to talk about policy group openly selling stolen kickoff rally in the home state downtowns. Farmers need to be a part of the credit card numbers and of ohio, youre watching that on proposals. Because tim ryan was light on passwords and hacking tools, we the left. Solution. And they have made money in five policy proposal but when you look at people who have rolled found 74 different groups with and then on the right of the years so im going heavy to the out policies, Kamala Harris over 385,000 members which is screen, trump takes the stage at rural areas too because we all really a large number. Any minute of the republican got the same problems and it is rolled out teacher pay policy that is the population of tampa Jewish Coalition conference in all part of unifying the and castro had a robust las vegas. But no surprise here, just a few country. Reporter thank you for basically openly conducted talking with us. Hours ago mueller was on the and kendis, you heard the criminal activity. Immigration policy and there was reporter that is craig message from tim ryan on stage, no breaking news there through williams from the cybersecurity president s mind. Got a little bit specific when team that uncovered the the president tweeting that he you talk about medicare for all potentially criminal groups. Has not read the report, but has but not getting rid of that should there should be have during our investigation the every right to do so in his private option so were going to been groups we found wur public, and Elizabeth Warren anyone could find them if they words. Hear him get more specific as she has the most both men expected to take the the Campaign Goes on but that is comprehensive policy. Searched for the right thing or stage within the hour. One of the things in the speech even if their friends were and as you listen to the members of the groups or we begin in youngstown, ohio, that stood out to me and talking field, what is winning over for to folks in the crowd it stood accidentally join the group it the democratic voters, the could recommend it for you. With our own road warrior ally out to them too, because when which is one of the more they talk about the most policy or personality . Concerning parts of this, is important issues in 2020, health of course it is personality that people could see the groups vitale. At this point. Without even intentionally care is top of the list for especially for someone like tim finding them. What kind of rally are we democrats here in ohio and ryan. Reporter the hacker group it is early on, the first thing offer a menu of stolen data. Expecting . Across the board as well. It went from a progressive a credit card number will cost were expecting to kick this you need to do is introduce messages from democrats to a you 7 a premium with a copy of off. Tim ryan will be introduced by centrist message for democrats introduce yourself to people and all across the country. Who you are and where you come a drivers license goes for 15. The mayor of youngstown and tim from and your values and there ryan has been a congressman in thank you to ali for muscling in is plenty of time to talk about the Research Team warns that the policy and i want to dig into this area for several terms so fact facebook was automatically he has deep roots in this and getting a few moments and the policy proposals are as community, several of the mayors well. Suggesting users join these from this area will be at this i found it interesting that he groups makes this case even more said he was for medicare for all kickoff event. But hes also someone who has Garrett Haake and shaquille as dangerous. Unfortunately instead of been outspokenly prounion. But backed backed away from connecting people with positive several of the folks in unions well. Tiffany cross cofounder of what that means. Hobbies, it is connecting people around this area are also here, but first you have to get people the beat d. C. , and brendan buck to like you and i think that is with criminal reporter this specifically from that general what he was trying to do here first Time Facebook has been accused of hosting fraudulent former press secretary for john today. Motors plant that closed down. And tim ryan was mentioning activity on the platform. We dont need superstar or a dave green, one of the head of the local union who drew ire boehner and Michael Singleton savior, who is he referring to . Eported fake profile accounts on the from President Trump several from the d y for being here. I assume hes weeks ago on twitter is here. Someone who is very close with platform. At the Time Facebook said they deleted 1. 3 billion fake the k the congressman and tha is a good sense of the crowd and a good sense of what well hear accounts and have employees from tim ryan today in this focused on security. Kickoff speech. Facebook said the groups but also as we go forward in violated our policies against this campaign, hes someone who spam and financial fraud and we wants to bring this kind of removed them. We know we need to be more heartland message and it makes vigilant and investing heavily sense because this is a place to fight this type of activity. Where President Trump won the state of ohio was a place that the goal of social media he did well in 2016. Companies is to get people on to and tim ryan is now trying to the platform quickly with as few see if this local message of barriers as possible but that is a vulnerability for the proworker, prounion could make platforms over time. If you want to do criminal sense for democrats, written large across the nation in 2020. Activity or other conspiracies so proworker and prounion it is very easy to do them because you could get there and and that is where he is trying up load it faster than the company can police your activity to get. Or know who you are. And you went to many events and im curious of the makeup of the reporter criminal activity crowd there. Limited to the dark web is it is in youngstown, ohio, so moving into the light on a there is a certain demographic. Social Media Network near you. Our thanks to jake there. But what is the makeup there . Lets continue the conversation now with our younger . Older . What. Reporter we have a fair mix resident cybersecurity expert when it comes to age. Clint watts. But youre right in that is it is a predominantly white crowd hes an nbc news contributor as and that is what youre booi well. First and foremost, why can this youre going to see in iowa and Activity Still continue there on facebook . What happens is the criminals New Hampshire , and going forwad or criminals extremists and in 2020 there has been a focus on how the candidates can appeal even disinfo when we are to black voters in critical states like South Carolina and talking around the election, they adapt to the learn of tim ryan spent friday in new york at the National Action service changes. Network convention where ive once they find out ai is been for several days and he cleaning out certain key words tried to make that pitch to or terms, they adapt and come up voters of color and that is something that frankly all of with code words and they keep changing that process over and the candidates in this field are going to have to do. Over. Is there anything facebook could do or are they doing it is part of why youre hearing anything to protect our privacy. All of the conversation about reparations, something that i think they are. Theyve invested a tremendous reverend al sharpton asked every attendee yesterday so it is a critical issue. Amount and revamped across the not just from a perspective of how the candidates are talking platform but what is interesting about it, but how they could is you see criminals and fraudsters keep coming back convince voters theyll take because it is the biggest portal action once they, and if they to the world of potential actually, get into the Office Victims that they could actually and win the nomination and if they beat President Trump how take information from and theyll take action on that key customers that they could sell information to. Issue. Key demographic. And as of note, the mayor of it is an International Market place. That is the mindboggling youngstown, Jamil Tito Brown who thing because theyre exposed to is black will introduce tim ryan more than a billion people right there within the hour. Worldwide and information. That said, back here in this thanks to ali vitale in country, is there anything the federal government could do in youngstown. And i want to bring in my this realm . It comes down to notification panel. The former senior advisory for and policing. The Hillary Clinton campaign and meaning that are we notifying or a msnbc contributor and david helping these Companies Really think about how to do this sort pepper chair of Ohio Democratic of fraudulent removal. Party and dana milbank with it is a pretty tough task, washington post. Especially because youre welcome to you all. Dealing with a tech company that im very thankful that youre here on what is turning out to doesnt exactly know who people be a busy saturday. Are. But the government could help them identify when the criminal david, i want to start with you. Networks and how they operate and who is behind them and give david, you are very familiar them earlier warning. With the congressman ryan. That is one part. What should i do . How does he try to distinguish for you it is protecting your information. Himself from this evergrowing and recognize not only democratic field . Protecting your own information but the information that youre well, i think tim has an advantage in that where hes asking and acting on. From, youngstown, ohio, is a key meaning, do you know who you are engaging with . Do you know where they are from . Spring part of the state, the the news article that you read, kind of town where you want to do you know who wrote it and where they are physically win the country and the located . This person that wants to sell presidency, you want to win over. And tim has been giving speeches you something and click on and stumping campaigning in something, are they engaging you on an emotional way where you are duped for it or doing this youngstown his whole career and on your own. It is tough when the hes very strong. Questions are coming from who youll see it today. Hell give a stemwinder of a you believe are your friends speech appealing on the very online. You need to be vigilant. Issues that ali talked about. So hes a very good grassroots thank you. Still ahead, spreading hate. Campaigner and he knows how to right now President Trump we talk to working people and that should mention, is still is a big need right now for democrat candidates. Speaking in las vegas. Youll see him be very strong on moments ago he addressed White Supremacy in the u. S. Well hear what he had to say. That front. And dana, you follow this he had nothing to say that was spreading hate. Plus a new warning about the closely and trump won ohio back growing threat from the head of the fbi. E head of in 2016 and pledging to boost the fbi. My experience with usaa the Auto Industry in the state. Has been excellent. And in ryans announcement this they really appreciate the military family week he cited General Motors and it really shows. With all that usaa offers plant shut down right there in his district, the 17th district why go with anybody else . Of ohio. We know their rates are good, take a listen. We know that theyre always going to take care of us. I can go back just a few it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. Weeks where my daughter called it was funny because when we would call meau another insurance company, her friend was crying to her, hey would say oh we cant beat usaa were the webber family. Her dad just got transferred at were the tenneys were the hayles, and were usaa members for life. The kids had to move and my get your usaa Auto Insurance quote today. Daughter called me and said you gotta do something and i said, im going to do something. And im going to run for president of the United States. And were going to make [ applause ] you get a sense of the message right there. So will ryan be able to reach those voters who were perhaps disappointed by the president s promises, dana . That is an interesting experiment and likely he will be able to appeal to some of those. There is something of a debate within the Democratic Party and that is do they attempt to reach out to disaaffected trump voters or attempt to rally the more reliable Democratic Base and the answer is very likely some of each of those. Now with Sherrod Brown not running for the presidency, that does open up some prospects for tim ryan. And there is Scranton Joe Biden who you would think would naturally appeal to those very same voters but certainly there is an appetite because trump came in and said hes going to but how do i know if im im getting a good deal . Transform manufacturing and i tell truecar my zip steel and the automobile and which car i want and truecar shows the range of prices industry, to the extent there have been gains in manufacturing people in my area actually paid for the same car jobs, theyve been fairly small so i know if im getting a great price. And there has been this very this is how car buying was always meant to be. Prominent loss recently in this is truecar. Lordstown, ohio. So certainly it is a good moment for tim ryan to be doing this. That particular area from my note has lost about 1. 6 billion in the economy with all of those job losses there. Adrian, i do want to turn to you, because talking about oh oh oh ozempic® within the Democratic Base announcer people with type 2 diabetes itself, tim ryan has twice now are excited about the potential of onceweekly ozempic®. Ran to try to replace nancy in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults pelosi and try to beat nancy lowered their blood sugar pelosi as the speaker there. And reached an a1c of less than seven will this hurt him within the and maintained it. Democratic base itself . Oh under seven . I dont know that this and you may lose weight. In the same oneyear study, necessarily impacts the overall adults lost on average up to 12 pounds. Chances in this type of primary because the people supporting oh up to 12 pounds . Nancy pelosi, that is not the a twoyear study showed type of base that hes trying to that ozempic® does not increase the risk attract in terms of running this of major cardiovascular events time around. I do think that the bigger like heart attack, stroke, or death. Problem for congressman ryan and oh no increased risk . This environment. Weve got upwards of 20 people who are now in the race, oh, oh, oh, ozempic® that number is clearly expected ozempic® should not be the first medicine for treating diabetes, to grow. And i think this is a five or or for people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. Sixway primary, without somebody like joe biden running, do not share needles or pens. His appeal to white working dont reuse needles. Class voters to that rust belt do not take ozempic® if you have a personal or Family History region of the country is very of medullary thyroid cancer, attractive but i think it is still attractive now but that multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, much harder witit or if you are allergic to ozempic®. Stop taking ozempic® and get medical help right away low name i. D. And lesser ability if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, to raise money than the other severe stomach pain, itching, tier one candidates is going to rash, or trouble breathing. Serious side effects may happen, make it harder to run. And you mentioned no name including pancreatitis. I. D. Tell your doctor if you have Diabetic Retinopathy there in ohio, do people outside or vision changes. Of youngstown area know who this taking ozempic® with a sulfonylurea or insulin guy is. They do. Tim has been in the state for a may increase the risk for low blood sugar. Common side effects are nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, long time. Stomach pain, and constipation. And he has a challenge when it some side effects can lead to dehydration, comes to name i. D. But if hes running and he gets on that which may worsen kidney problems. Debate stage, sort of like pete i discovered the potential with ozempic®. Butteigig did a few weeks ago, oh oh oh ozempic® hes very dynamic with a lot of ask your Healthcare Provider today about onceweekly ozempic®. Car charisma but hes traveled the state and helped other candidates and speaks at county dinners and so hes known here and his strategy has to be get on to a big stage and then at that moment deliver bigtime and i think if he could do that, he could stand out. He has a dynamism to him unique in ohio and potentially national what is it through the country and what do you need to politics. Interesting. And hope you stick around with fight it . Us because were going to well, the danger, i think, of continue to watch the events there playing out in youngstown, white supremacist, violent extremism or any other kind of ohio. Violent extremism is, of course, over to sin city. Where President Trump will do his own campaigning. Significant. We as that its a persistent, he will speak before the republican Jewish Coalition conference being held in las pervasive threat. That was fbi director vegas. That is where hans nichols joins Christopher Wray testifying us live where the president is before congress once supremacy running about 45 minutes late . Is in fact a threat to u. S. Security is but wrays comments oy well, kend is, he did have a contradict President Trump saying he does not believe white late night and got into vegas around noon excuse me midnight last night and what one nationalists pose a major threat. Of the speakers Kevin Mccarthy do you see White Nationalist said is he didnt mow if is a rising threat around the President Trump got any sleep so what we have taking place now, world . I dont really. I think its a small group of congressman billy long is people that have very, very rallying up the crowd with a hat serious problems. I guess interesting there. Saying make israel great again while the threat of domestic and with a new hat with a slogan terrorism continues to grow the daily beast reported the make trump president again. This is a Real Campaign rally department of security banned and they are raising money and the effort is to day out the focusing on trying to stop it. President s agenda. Shooting back in a statement usually at the end of the week the ideas by some we have cut we get the president bottledim our system of defeating spends talking about the border and how much time he talks about the economy, he had the good ideology is patently false and jobs concerned opposite of what we have orme r about the rates and talk about quantitative easing again. So the president is coming up in a little bit and then well report back but i think well get some red meat here in las vegas. Im gathering so. Especially if he didnt get a author of the gift of our lot of sleep or barely or no sleep at all. Lives. But as we point out, this is an this from vegas. Organization that has been luke at my state of the union i warm to the president in the was honored to have as our guest past. And i know it is difficult to hear me right now over the a pittsburgh s. W. A. T. Officer. Applause. What sort of reception do we a brave guy. I was with him in the hospital, expect him to get from this who raced in to gunfire during particular crowd now . Some years ago, majority of the the horrific antisubmit imattack on the tree of life crowd did not support the president. Yeah, look, this is it is synagogue. He was shot seven times, badly very loud in here. This is a protrump crowd and in ways hes turned the entire injured. He endured 12 surgeries, and Republican Party into his own bastion of support and that is hes going to have to endure clear here just talking to a few of the voters beforehand. Quite a few more. They support this president , all right. So the president there talking what hes done on israel and for about the victims there of the the middle east and moving the White Supremacy, but trumpometer embassy to jerusalem and he is getting a lot of big juice and reading, then, fell short of as theyre warming up, to give addressing White Supremacy. You a sense, there is a dig at marco rubio from a speaker and so the doa submitted it that joke fell flat in this restirrrestu room. Guys. And organizers of todays event anticipate some record crowds just weeks after the president called the democratic structured the Security Team raising questions. Party antijewish. Does this change the approach towards domestic terrorism . It absolutely does. Take a listen to this quickly. To be fair, domestic terrorism the democrats have very much has ban ceen a confounding prob proven to be antiisrael. There is no question about that. For past president s as well. And it is a disgrace. Its easy to look outside the i mean i dont know what happened to them. But they are totally u. S. , when you start doing intelligence collection inside the u. S. Against u. S. Persons antiisrael. Frankly i think theyre theres a legal concern. People have the right to due antijewish. Process even if they say hateful sort of like red meat. How will the president make his and harmful things, nonetheless, case today to this crowd . This is a rising threat. Reporter well i think we might hear a little bit among when we think about terrorists the bds movement and weve heard we think about people that unfortunately look like me. Preview of lawmakers taking now and what the president has done not necessarily white now as he claims for israel. Supremacists. Terror watch lists and as well as Golan Heights and everything since the post9 11 moving the embassy to jerusalem Intelligence Community using which was always long standing those internally and using those u. S. Policy but no president actually implemented it. Tools to connect them to people so when the president is feeling who buy guns. Though hes in front of a we havent made that connection and it frustrates me, because friendly crowd, we get the those are what we call in the unvarnished trump and one of the clearest points we see is in how Intelligence Community indications and warnings. Long hell go. The fact someone is on a terror so set your stopwatch. If it looks like hell go long, watch list is suddenly buying a i think well get a lot of sound lot of guns should be a flashing bites potentially from this president. Kendis. The last time we heard the red light. Unfortunately we dont have that president speak in front of a mechanism in place. I see you nodding your head. Big crowd on saturday it lasted i believe more than two hours. Youre a former white so grab your coffee or your supremacist and as you know according to the fbi hate crimes favorite beverage. In the u. S. In 2017 are up. Hans nichols there in las vegas at the venetian for us. Still ahead, ready to run . 37 for jews. 15 for africanamericans, 31 on total hate crimes. Were live in youngstown, ohio as tim ryan lays out his plans do you think the president s to take over the white house in 2020. Rhetoric emboldened these extremists . His message to voters coming up live. I think the president s but first President Trump fires off a round of no rhetoric is incredibly irresponsible and it absolutely collusion tweets as democrats turn up the heat on william emboldens White Nationalist terror. Barr. How a new court ruling could the idea of building a wall and hurt their chances of having the deporting brown people is like entire Mueller Report released to the public. White supremacist ideology 101, and for the president to minimize the threat of White Nationalist violence is really poor leadership. Ive been fortunate to work with a lot of fbi, ncdc, dhs people and i know theyre all very committed and aware of the threat of White Nationalist violence but when their commander in chief doesnt acknowledge that threat and in fact minimizes it it makes it really difficult to address the problem. I know youre reformed but you follow these circles and do you feel as if this White Supremacy movement is growing under this president . I definitely think its growing under the trump administration. Again, the rhetoric of the white house is deadon rhetoric of the ku klux klan. Of the neonazi groups. The idea that immigrants are a problem rather than an asset to our country as even far right thing tanks lie the Kato Institute has proven, immigrants are go for our economy and our society. Thats an undisputed fact and President Trump cant admit that and cant let go of his love affair with the idea of nationalism, which is a very toxic ideology. 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So shop way day starting april 10 at wayfair. Com. So the public has not yet seen the Mueller Report and neither has the president. Hes using twitter to confirm that he has no idea what the special counsel wrote. It all comes as a federal Appeals Court said that a formal rule change will not be required for grand jury information to be released to the public. This is unrelated to the russia property but it could negatively impact the democrats fight for but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient muellers complete findings. Joining me randy zeal and ann originally discovered. In jellyfish. In clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. Karen and National Security analyst. Welcome to all of you. So randy, let me start with you. You are right here with me. What is the impact of this new phone ringing a phones offers big button,ecialized phones. And volumeenhanced phones. , ruling on the grand jury get details on this state program. Information in muellers report. You have a few things going call or visit on. The rule against as far as secrecy goes, things that are secret in the grand jury dont go outside of the grand jury. Now there is no judge in the grand jury. There is no Defense Attorneys in the grand jury. It is the government prosecutor, the grand jurors and the witness and there is secrecy in order to allow the Proper Administration of justice. So youve got that. Youve got executive privilege is another way to keep things out of the public. But for me, what piecemeal. Not only did the attorney general do that, but he took and put his own spin rather than having the special counsel who was supposed to be working on this with him say, this is what i found. The attorney general has said, and accessoriesphones for your mobile phone. Like this device to increase volume on your cell phone. This is what i believe the special counsel has found. phone ringing get details on this state program and that is the part that bothers me the most. Call or visit that is the classic definition of hearsay and why the Justice System is allergic to hearsay. It is the definition of hearsay but is it the definition of a coverup as well. It certainly doesnt help. All right. That does it for this hour of and if we truly want the light to be shined or shown on this, msnbc live. Back tomorrow at 2 00 p. M. Eastern. Follow me on twitter and yes, it doesnt help anybody instagram all the time. Saying that this is a coverup the news continues right now because the easiest way not to with my colleague richard lui. Have a coverup is to show us. Thank you. Thank you for stayings with you which were still waiting on msnbc. For. Im richard lui live at msnbc and i mention evelyn, you have shedquarters here in new york city. Multiple news outlets including for you this hour nbc news reporting that the President Trump caps off a stop special counsel team actually prepared summaries within its in vegas a short time ago. Russia report to be released to the public, what do you make of he accused democrats being barr refusing to release those . Antisemitic and taking shots at yeah, i mean, i think it was Democratic Congress mapp ilhan probably a bit of an ra gress omar who is muslim. An aggressive move because based a special thanks to on the report that ken dalainan representative omar of minnesota. Oh. Provided through the nbc people, the staff did actually put oh. Together summaries of sections of the report, if not the entire oh, i forgot. Report, with an eye towards she doesnt like israel. I forgot. Letting it be released quickly im so sorry. To the public. So they did their best effort to oh, campaign kickoff. Ohio congresswoman just a moment essentially remove information ago, tim ryan officially joining that was considered sensitive. The already crowded field of so the attorney general should democratic president ial have been able to release those contenders speaking to a big components of the report, the crowd of supporters in his home summaries that the staff state of ohio. Provided and i guess that is why im tim ryan and im running theyre leaking about it or talking to ken and others for president of the United States of america. Saying, hey, the attorney i want us to come together as a general didnt need to put his country. Own mark on this. I want us to seize the future of we actually had something ready this country. We are a great country. To go. A lot of people are saying that is why weve gotten these leaks so far. And the special counsel team was also reportedly split on whether trump obstructed justice. Did they intend for barr to make that decision or congress, perhaps . Well, kendis, i think youre talking about really an outgrowth of the first problem which is that the mueller team prepared the summaries which we understand are kind of page by page and this is something that is frequently done in the Intelligence Community with highly classified reports and in legal settings when classified or in this case privileged grand jury information may be implicated. The prosecutors and investigators who wrote this report summarized themselves what could be could be released publicly and it appears that there is dissention within the mueller team ranks over the fact that on the question of obstruction, to your point what barr released was not in their view a full or completely accurate version of the summaries they had already done. He basically did a summary of the summary. And that is their complaint. And meantime, randy, the House Judiciary Committee chairman, jerry nadler, has been demanding for all communications between the Justice Department and the mueller team. What exactly do you think the congressional investigators are hoping to find . Theyre hoping to get to the truth and the attorney general again quite frankly brought it upon himself. Number one, by not having the mueller team release their own findings. He interpreted their findings. The easiest way to allow congress to at least get to some of the truth, if not give them everything, is to at least let the special counsel say, im speaking for myself. This is what i found. And of course the most damaging thing is the fact that the special counsel really kicked the can down the road by, instead of coming out and saying the president obstructed justice, or didnt, he said, you know what, were going to give you the facts and leave it to you to decide. That is not the way prosecutors act. And ann, quickly, how does this play out . Well, i think the next thing that happens is the Justice Department either responds or doesnt respond to this series of requests that weve now had from jerry nadler and democrats. Barr has said that he would release a version of the report to congress by the middle of this month. That is basically next week. We dont know whether hes on time or not. But this is all really now a tussle between the barr team and the white house by extension and democrats in congress. Kicking the can down the road but the road is coming next week as it would appear. Big thanks to all of you right there for going over this. In the meantime, we continue to watch the activity there in youngstown. Tim ryan, the congressman, is expected to hit the stage any moment now to declare his candidacy for the presidency. But still ahead, no vacancy. President trump sends a new message to immigrants. And there you see tim ryan hitting the stage with his wife andrea. Hes a congressman who has been there in ohio since 2013. He, of course, is adding his name to what is already a crowded democratic field. Is it r. E. M. . Im curious about the theme songs they choose. Which one is that the theme song from the old tv show. I think im dating myself there. Tim ryan, 45yearold congressman from ohio speaking, lets listen in. [ applause ] [ cheering and applause ] im tim ryan and im running for president of the United States of america. I first want to say thank you to everybody that is here today for giving me this amazing opportunity. And i want to thank you for 45 and 3 4 years im hanging on of an amazing ride and the opportunity to represent you in the United States congress. Someone liked that. Yeah. [ laughter ] its my mom. No, im kidding. You know, at the end of the day, im a kid from niles, ohio. [ applause ] and the beautiful thing about niles, ohio, or struthers, ohio, or youngstown, ohio or warren, ohio, is that you dont just get raised by your parents. You get raised by the community. And so im here because of the coaches and in niles little league, mr. Leonard who lived next door who was the head coach, kicked me in the rear end when i needed it. Kicked me in the rear end when i didnt need it. The coaches in the little league, the teachers at our lady of mt. Carmel. The teachers at kennedy high school. It was a Community Effort to raise a kid. And i believe that thats what we need to get back to in the United States of america. [ applause ] where its okay for us to say i care about you, i love you, im going to want to help you and im going to do everything in my power to help you do what you have to do. I think thats important today for us to acknowledge that. We stand here today on april 6th, 2019, a divided country. As you know. And weve been divided for a long time. And that division has prevented us from being able to be the best that we could possibly be and we could go back to the stories of black monday in youngstown, that many people in this audience remember much better than i do. And i do think of my fatherinlaw who lost his job that day or days after that, years after that. Because of what happened on black monday. And i can go back 20 years and remember my cousin donnie gura calling me on the phone saying, youre never going to believe what i had to do today. It was my last day at delphi. I had to unbolt the machine from the factory floor, i had to put it in a box, and i had to ship it to china. Or we can go back just a few weeks ago and talk about what happened at things go down. But if were not united, we are not going to be able to fix the structural problems that we have in the United States and im running for president to first and foremost try to bring this country back together. [ cheering and applause ] because a divided country is a weak country. And we have politicians and leaders in America Today that want to divide us. They want to put us in one box or the other. You cant be for business and for labor. You cant be for Border Security and immigration reform. You cant be for cities in rural america, you cant be for the north and the south. You cant be for men and women. Im tired of having to choose, i want us to come together as a country, i want us to seize the future of this country. We are a great country. And we can do it we can do it if we come together. And i just want to you know this one thing, the competition that we are in today is fierce. And we dont need a superstar and we dont need a savior. We need to come together, and we need grit and determination and the ability for us to Work Together for a better future. Not just for us, but for our kids. That is what this is all about. And i will say that i will pledge to you every time i walk downstairs and into the oval office, that you and your needs and your concerns and your worries will be my worries. Theyll be my worries. And i will work every single day, every single day to make your life better. Im going to ask you to work hard every single day, too, to make your life better. But the problem today is so many people work hard and play by the rules, and just still cant get ahead. They still cant get health care, they still cant get the job they need. They still cant move into the neighborhood or the School District that they want to be in. Thats our problem. Thats our concern together. And that is what this campaign is all about. I will tell you that when we got married and we have three kids and two dogs so you could imagine how much energy is flying through the house at any one moment, especially first thing in the morning. But a few months back, a few years back now something happened in the house where i actually got control of the tv remote. Hadnt happened in a while. We had nickelodeon on or some kind of thing. Paw patrol. And i got the remote and what do you do if you are old quarterback from around youngstown, ohio . What do you do . You flip through the tv station and trying to find some sports. So i dont find sports but i find a sports documentary. And the documentary was on jimmy val vanno. And remember jimmy v. Im half italian so this is my guy. So im watching him up there giving a speech and he said something that ill never forget. He said, god must have loved ordinary people because he made so many of us. But he said every day in so many different ways ordinary people do extraordinary things. Ordinary people do extraordinary things. And i will tell you if there is one value that i will bring to the highest office in the land, when i wake up its going to be how today can i use every ounce of power that this office has to help ordinary people do something extraordinary today in america. Thats my pledge to you. Thats my pledge to you. Why do we want to fix the Education System . So we can give an ordinary kid from a place like niles or camel or struthers to do something extraordinary. Why do we want why do we want everyone to have health care in the United States . It is a value. It is a right. It is important. Its something we should all question able to agree upon. But if your not healthy, you cannot do anything extraordinary to contribute to what we need to contribute to in the United States of america. That is why everyone deserves health care in the United States of america. And when you talk about reinvesting in communities like ours, which i have spent the last 19 years of my public life trying to do, trying to make sure that communities like ours arent forgotten. Flyover states are my states. The flyover states are your states. And the flyover states are going to start governing in the United States of america again. [ cheering and applause ] we have so much work to do. We have so much work to do. We have broken systems in our country that we failed to fix because were divided. And i want you to know that our enemies come into our social media and they intentionally try to divide us. If there is if there is an incident, and i want everyone to listen to me here, if there is an incident in america that is controversial about kneeling for the National Anthem or a School Shooting or an incident between a cop and a kid, you know who comes on to our social media . The russians. Okay. I want you to hear this. The russians. They come into our social media and they spin things to get us into these divided camps so that were fighting with each other. That is what they want. And meanwhile we cant get our economy going. Meanwhile, we cant get a Health Care System that works. Meanwhile we cant reform an old outdated government that needs reform or education or anything else because we have not come together. The most patriotic thing we could do today is to respect each other. It is to respect each other. [ applause ] to care about each other, to respect each other, to listen to each other. That maybe somebody else has something to offer that you hadnt thought of. And i want to build a government in the United States that allows us to pull democrats and independents and republicans together. I will be sitting down with the Business Community in the United States and the workers and the labor unions in the United States. We all have to get better. We all have to get better if were going to solve these big problems,we all have to. And it is going to take all of us. White, black, brown, gay, straight, north, south. Were all americans. In this great experiment in democracy. This great experiment in democracy. Each generation has the duty to grab the mantle and do something great with it. There is an old saying that politicians and president s, they dont have power. They hold power. They hold the power that the people of the United States give them. And i want to hold that power for four years. And i want to bring the experiences that ive had in this community from the schools that i went to, to the coaches that i had, to the teachers that i had, to the family that i had. And just maybe, just maybe, the person that can help heal these wounds is a working class kid from a working class family, from a working class community. That will go work his rear end off for the american people. [ cheering and applause ] let me just say in closing, to all of you, i thank you, i love you. And i dont say that gratuitously. I love you. Im not standing here im not standing here without you loving me and me loving you. And i have loved the opportunity that you have given me and i will tell you i will go to work every single day and were going to get this country squared away. Okay. [ cheering and applause ] we are not we are not, and i want you to agree with this, we are not going to let fear determine how we move into the future in the United States any more. Were not going to allow leaders to pit us against each other and while were fighting we cant get anything done and none of us move forward. Tell me youre going to join together with me to do that. [ applause ] you guys are getting me excited now. I was a little nervous about this but im pretty excited now. [ laughter ] she said you think youre excited. Ive been here since 9 30. Get this woman a sandwich. Well get you a hot sausage. Someone is here that i want to introduce. The champ this here, ray boom boom mancini. I saw him somewhere. [ applause ] and i havent made this announcement yet, but there is always a secretary that sits outside of the white house and right outside of the oval office, pretty dangerous these days. So ive already hired ray mancini to sit right outside. Were going to d. C. , ray. Bring the gloves. There is a great story there is a great story about the Champ Muhammad Ali that i wanted to end with. So somebody went to see the champ and bumped into him and he was walking down the street in kentucky. And they bumped into the champ and there was a little kid and he said, champ, i saw one of your fights. And he said, oh, thats great. No kidding. He said my dad took me to watch you fight. No kidding . Yeah, you got knocked down. Champ looked at him and said, wasnt my fight. Said, no, my dad was it was one of the great moments of my life. He took me. My dad and we went and you got nor you got knocked down third or fourth round and it wasnt my fight. Ive never been knocked down. Im either up or im getting up, okay. The mahoney valley is either up or were getting up. Northeast ohio is either up or were getting up. Ohio is either up or were getting up and the United States of america, were either up or were getting up. Help me do this. I need your help. I need your support. I need your love. I need your voice. Lets go take back the white house. [ cheering and applause ] so there you have it. The congressman from northeast ohio there. Tim ryan getting a little fired up i would say, roughly 16 minutes into his speech theyre rallying for his crowd in the rust Belt Community to back his bidding there for the white house. Hes one of some 17 candidates now by my estimate who will be running for the democratic nomination. He had sort of a a mess ooj of unity, coming together. He said we dont need a superstar. We dont need a savior. Hes in an area that the valley that he mentioned is hurting a little bit lately with the closure of some plants including General Motors. So really jobs is an issue. But he didnt necessarily hone in on that and im curious to get my panels take on all of this. We want to bring back dana milbank and ali vitale there in youngstown and also Jonathan Allen National Political reporter for nbc news digital and melanie zinnona. And the congressman wrapping moments ago and not speaking on prompter, went off the cuff there. How was the speech received by the crowd . Reporter off the cuff here, kendis, coming from some conversations he had with his staff before, they had an idea of what directions they wanted to go in and that is what they came out. With unlike a lot of the other speeches that weve seen from 2020 candidates, laying out in somewhat more precise terms some of the issues they want to focus on, congressman tim ryan here really spoke, it seemed, from the heart about how he wanted to unite the country. You point out the line about not needing saviors. He had another follow up there where he talked about if he were to be in the oval office. He wanted to think of how he can help ordinary people do extraordinary things every day. And as i look at my notes, there was one thing that stood out to me. Ohio was a crucial state in 2016. It is a state where people look at how democrats do here and they wonder if that is replicable across the board nationwide. Tim ryan is trying to test that theory and he mentions here flyover states are my states. What hes talking about, those heartland rust belt countries that donald trump did so well in, those are the places where tim ryan is going to, if he makes it to a general election, try to take the fight to President Donald Trump and that is exactly what he laid out behind me here as he preached about unity, not wanting fear to be the Guiding Force in this country any more as it goes forward. Of course no direct mention of President Trump, but when he hear the candidates talk about a fear guiding us and division in this country, that is how most of them have alluded to the president. And so no different here from tim ryan but the crowd was with him it seemed every step of the way. He did bring a very ohio message to the stage here as he talked about what he wanted to do in this president ial race, kendis. And you got the crowd fired up later on into his speech there. Melanie, you Cover Congress for politico and hes ran several times now trying to replace House Speaker nancy pelosi and lost. How is a guy who lost within the party, there in congress, going to win the nomination for the party . He think tim ryan is looking at people like beto orourke who was a back bencher when he was in congress and caught fur during his senate run and thinking why not me. And not just beto orourke but peter butteigig from south bend, indiana and has gotten steam and rosen through the ranks and i think tim ryan is thinking he could replicate that as well and focusing on winning back that blue wall that went to trump back in 2016. And hes making a direct play for the working class voters and mentioned his family members directly impacted by the manufacturing jobs closed in the state and he mentioned his family. So hes really making a play for the working class voters. And jonathan you were watching his speech with me. What stood out to you the most. I think ali hit it on there. The most important thing was e the the message that he borrowed from jim val vanno to make it easy for ordinary people to do extraordinary things. That is an appealing message to voters. If he focuses on that and trying to do that, and build around that, it is a big thing. The other thing is you heard that Old High School and college quarterback, theyre not down seven points at half time, they have to beat the other guys by eight in the second half. So that is the key. Dana, what stood out to you. As you listen to the speech and i should point out, were keeping an eye on las vegas and the president at the big convention. What stood out to you . Well it was very short of specifics. I think the only concrete thing we know is that boom boom mancini would be serving in a tim ryan administration. Which is all for the good. It sounds like hes running for president of the Mahoning Valley and very strongly about ohio. I think hes like so many other candidates in this race, that there is no real downside to this. Hell raise his profile in the congress, in his community, if lightning strikes who knows what could happen on the outside. But on the upside it does give him a higher visibility. And there is definitely definitely room for this kind of message about the working people. We just need to hear specifically what he wants to do for the working people other than get up in the morning and work for the working people. And that was short on specifics, perhaps hell craft that message as the campaign continues. Melanie, the president s Approval Rating is down to 45 in ohio. Is ohio in play . Absolutely. It can be. And that is exactly what democrats are hoping for. Especially with signs that the economy could be slowing down. That is another thing youll see a lot of the Democratic Candidates seizing on, is the economy and the jobs. And obviously the other issue right now, on a lot of peoples minds is the border. The threats to close down the border could have a huge impact on trade, economy, jobs. So i think you could expect candidates to try to seize on that as well. That is what theyre hoping for. And in the meantime, the president is hoping to seize on the jewish vote. If we could pop up that shot to keep an eye on it, taking place in las vegas. The president is speaking to republican jewish lobbying group and just made it on to the stage about to speak. He has not slept. This is going to be the president unfiltered. Take a listen. What a great day. Thank you, norm, for that wonderful introduction and for your leadership of this truly tremendous organization. So many frernds. I have so many friends out in the audience. Thank you very much for being here. Thank you. [ crowd chanting ] [ yelling ] [ crowd chanting ] [ chanting usa ] [ crowd chanting ] thank you very much. Hes going back home to mommy. And he will be reprimanded. He will be reprimanded. She gets it. Im truly thrilled to be back with so many friends, supporters, patriots, at the annual conference of the republican Jewish Coalition which is now setting records. Records. [ applause ] here today is someone who has been with us from the very beginning, a true fighter for our shared values. Youre terrific executive director matt brooks. Thank you, matt. Thank you. [ applause ] thank also joining us, two great leaders,nd miriam adelson. Great people. [ ap they like you both, sheldon. Thats pretty good. Last year was my honor to award miriam the president ial medal of freedom. That is a big deal. [ applause ] i also want to thank senator lindsey graham, where is lindsay . Senator . Lindsay, great man and great friend. Great friend of israel. [ applause ] thank you, lindsay. A man who fights all of the time for israel and for everything else. Another great senator, david purdue, georgia. [ applause ] senator kevin cramer, where is kevin . Kevin, thank you, kevin. He fought a battle, you wont believe it. He beat somebody by 11 points that was unbeatable. That is pretty good, kevin. I said you can do it. That is my only thing. I said you could do it. He won by a lot. He won by a lot. And hes a great gentleman and hes a big, big fan and supporter of israel. As well as a really terrific leader. Hes our leader. Kevin mccarthy. [ applause ] and we have representatives that are outstanding, the great billy long. Where is billy . Billy long. Denver wriggleman. Denver, thank you. Thank you. Michael waltz. Thank you, michael. Great job, you do, mike. And a very good friend of mine also, lee zelden. [ applause ] and a special thanks to representative omar of minnesota. Oh oh, oh, i forgot, she doesnt like israel. I forgot. Im so sorry. Oh no, she doesnt like israel, does she . Please, i apologize. A great friend of mine, one of the most successful men in the state, amazing guy, tremendous businessman, mr. Phil ruffin. Where is phil . Phil . [ applause ] thank you, phil. A competitor of mine in manhattan for a long time. Always built great buildings and great architecture and known for design and success, loved israel, george klein. Thank you, george. Thank you, george. [ applause ] so many friends in this room. Were also grateful to be joined by members of my administration including jason green blat and a young man named jared kushner. He is fighting for israel. [ applause ] thank you very much. Great job. Peace in the middle east. If they cant so the president there hasnt necessarily hit a stride yet. To the key part of his speech. Well continue to listen into him addressing this convention there at the Venetian Hotel in las vegas. The republican Jewish Coalition. 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Our road warriors are with them from iowa to ohio, as each candidate works to distinguish themselves from the growing pack. We begin in West Des Moines where beto orourke is take a cue and attending several house party. That is where Garrett Haake joins us live and Shaquille Brewster is covering the Bernie Sanders campaign near musketine. And garrett, lets start with you. I Like House Party 3 the best. But im gathering that beto is liking three, four, five and six. Hes having six house parties. Reporter the sequels will keep coming. If you talk to most of the candidates, theyll tell you these are the kind of events they prefer. Up close and personal with the voters. Not the big rally but the chance to ask questions and to take questions from voters and just have that give and take and get to know folks and it is particularly important in the early states. In iowa and New Hampshire, folks are not going to caucus for you. They are not going to vote for you until theyve had a chance to ask you a question and shake your hand and maybe meet you a couple of times. So the Orourke Campaign is doing six house parties around the des moines metro area. Never further than 30 miles from des point. Right here in the center of iowa, part of the big fourday swing. The stump is the same but the questions are different. Ill tell you there have been a lot of questions about climate change. That is very quickly emerging as a dominant issue in the democratic electorate from the events ive been watching over the last couple of weeks but especially here in iowa and questions about how the folks will deal with donald trump and beto orourke does not like to invoke trumps name but in the context of a question about the president s comments about windmills earlier this week, he did so at a house party this morning and i thought his answer was significant. Take a listen. Lets listen to one another and make sure that we understand legitimate concerns that some people have that we answer the lies that are told especially by those in the positions of pow thaer Wind Turbines cause cancer. His operational tool is fear. Make you afraid of Wind Turbines or mexican immigrants or afraid of muslims, afraid of yourself. Lets not buy into that. Were not a fearful people. Were courageous and bold and confident and so lets march steadily into the future and that means Renewable Energy and going to indiana. Reporter and i think my fellow road warriors will agree, it is striking at these events and for candidates across the country that trump answer is significant in part because no matter who the folks support when they come out to the events and they say they are just shopping and checking out the candidates, the overriding factor is they want to find out who in this field with beat donald trump. That elect ability argument is so much in the front of peoples minds. And that is the most popular candidate there the beat trump candidate, indeed. Lets head to two and a half hours away from you, garrett, to Shaquille Brewster following the sanders campaign. What is he focusing on there in musketine. Reporter hes in musketine. He a town call meeting. It was different than what weve seen from Bernie Sanders before where we know he has these big rallies and events. This event had about 200 people and people were able to press him on things like voting rights, on education, on medicare for all. We heard a lot of questions about health care here. I spoke to some people ahead of the event just to see what they were thinking about what they were focused on and they said 2016 was about gaining that excitement for Bernie Sanders. 2020 is about sealing the deal. Listen to what Bernie Sanders said when he was asked about what makes him different from the other candidates in this field . You are not going to hear me today or any time disparaging them. Because theyre good and serious people. [ applause ] and they know may i dare speak for them, i think they know what i know, the most important task we have is to make sure that donald trump is defeated. Reporter and there is a little bit of messaging in where Bernie Sanders is traveling today. He has three stops and hes going to counties all in which president obama won in 2012 did you President Trump flipped in 2016. The difference between him and the other candidates that have done similar tours through iowa like this is Bernie Sanders beat Hillary Clinton in these exact counties in 2016. So hes flexing his muscles a little bit trying to have a power move to show that he can win and can bring the voters in and talking to them directly, kendis. And Joe Scarborough said yesterday that people are sleeping on Bernie Sanders. He came this close to beating Hillary Clinton there in iowa. But clearly hes not a fan of house parties but well take his rallies. Ally you are there in youngstown, ohio, and we just heard from tim ryan minutes ago kicking off his campaign. Talk about the effort he made to try to reach out to bluecollar workers and minorities for that matter. Reporter that is something that congressman tim ryan has done throughout his terms in congress. He has deep ties to Union Community and hes in the process of gaggling with the press so im going to begin to walk further back so we can ask him. Because one of the things that we just talked about in his announcement speech is that he was kind of low on specifics for policy proposals for the country. Now weve seen that same thing similarly from beto orourke and others who have to get their Campaign Going before theyre going to begin to outline policy proposals. But one of the things that i do want to ask him about is how he plans he said health care is a right. In this election, that could mean quite a few Different Things and so i want to just kind of keep moving back as he starts to gaggle with us and we can kind of get a sense of what hes saying. Of course there are still folks Milling Around who want to get to know and shake his hand and see him but ill have our camera take you into this and get a sense of what this looks like. My Old High School coaches and my old mt. Carmel School Teachers were here and people i went to school with came in for the mass this morning so it was a special day. Were going to go have a family dinner and then were going to leave tomorrow tomorrow i do face the nation and then i go to iowa. Back to d. C. On wednesday i speak at the building traits. 3,000 members of the Building Trades on wednesday morning. And then i go up to New Hampshire for a day and a half and i do a town hall at wmur. Congressman, were live on msnbc right now. Stay right where you are. I want to talk about what you said in your speech. He said health care is a right and what does that mean to you policiwise. It means everybody should have Affordable Health care and ive been on the bill since 2007 so whatever gets us moving in that direction and we shouldnt take private insurance away from people who like it and have it but build a system that allows for everybody to have a public option. I think that is critical. And this is a crowded field. Youre in a pack of democrats right now. How do you stand out . Well, you know, were talking about the future. Im representing these communities and families that have been left out, left behind. Still arent keeping barelys challenging time differentiating himself among democrats because, listen, hes from a the middle of the country and where everybody is rushing in Democratic Politics to the liberal coats of the country. And the policies that hes pushing for simply dont play in what democrats are looking for today. Well, i want to talk about that brendan, because i think tim ryan not wellknown, he enjoys a close relationship with the black congress and they are best friends when they were in congress from miami and he has made end roads with lawmakers and im not sure how that will translate with voters across the country. And i spent time in ohio and i grew up in ohio and it is dangerous when candidates like tim ryan want to appeal to the trump voters and the independent wight swing voters, i have my doubts that they exist, it is a dangerous thing because you could appeal to them at the peril and the risk of losing hard course base democrats that have been ride or die with this party a long time. Go ahead. Tim ryan, his argument is he could talk to trump voters but there arent a lot of trump voters in a democratic primary. Interesting point there. So we believe. Shermichael, to get your take on this, because there is reporting that said trump has michigan and a pennsylvania problem. Here you have tim ryan getting in this race. Does he potentially have an ohio problem . Well, look, i think so. The reality is donald trump won the presidency, or won key electoral race by less than 100,000 votes. With the right candidate and the right infrastructure, a democrat could potentially attract shoez voters back under the democratic tent. And im not talking about the ardent trump voters that tiffany alluded to, but democrats or independents who use to vote democrat but for whatever reason voted for trump in 2016. That is a problem for him and i think we should also keep in mind here, a candidate who is unknown today could become known once the debates begin to happen. We saw that in the republican debate. Someone who may start off raising a lot of money may have a series of poor performances and that could become issues for them as far as raising money but also raise the name idea of someone who doesnt have a lot of name i. D. Currently. So i think this is still very, very early. We need to let this play out before we see what ultimately happened. This is it is early this is not a race, it is a marathon. It is it is a money game at the end of the day. Really quickly, you were the National Action Network Conference this week. There are all of these candidates there. But i heard them kind of chanting for somebody to run. Stacey abrams. She won the week. She resonates with voters in a way that no other candidate so far has been able to resonate. I talked to people, i interviewed some of the attendees there and they said something about her, she speaks to me. I feel like i understand her. You recall they talked about her being in debt and she said i couldnt delay cancer payments but coy delay these notes and 80 of the women are breadwinners in the family and backbone of the Democratic Party and she could make end rode roads. What will she do . I have my doubts shell get in the race despite people wanting her to. It will be complicated, Kamala Harris was the first to endorse her and for her to get in exactly. Are they from different sororities . Stacey abrams is not greek and she didnt pledge a sorority but Kamala Harris is a member of the sorority. Good to meet you in person. Brenda buck thank you. And sherMichael Singleton, thanks. Still ahead, its tax time and democrats want the president to hand over his tax returns. Still ahead, the excuse coming from the president s personal lawyer about why they should be kept private. E they should b kept private you wouldnt accept an incomplete job from any one else. Why accept it from your allergy pills . Flonase sensimist relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills dont. And all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. Flonase sensimist. Discover. Hi, whats this Social Security alert . Its a free alert if we find your Social Security number on the dark web. Good, cuz im a little worried about my information getting out. Oh, whys that . [bird speaking] my Social Security number is. 8 7 5 dash okay, i see. [bird laughing] is that your daughter . No, its a macaw. And his name is timothy. Timmy, want a cracker . Timmy, do you want a cracker . [bird speaking] what do you think, kevin . No. Sign up online for free. Discover Social Security alerts. You dont learn anything about somebodys wealth with a tax return. I will absolutely give my return. But im being audited now for two or three years. Every year they audit me, audit me, audit me. Im not releasing tax returns because their under audit. From what i understand, the laws are 100 on my side. Im under audit. If you took audit in the drinking game over the last couple of years you would be wasted. So President Trump and a word is being under an audit a valid reason not to release his tax returns. The legal team is using that as his defense as they ramp up their attacks against the democrats demand for six years of his tax returns. Get this. So in a new letter overnight, his lawyer argues that the white house the house ways and Means Committee request is not consistent with governing law. That does not advance any proper legislative purpose. But the Committee Chairman richard neal said this is not a political fight, lawmakers need trumps returns in order to review how the irs audit sitting president. So with me now is kevin cirilli, the chief correspondent at bloomberg and katie benner who covers the Justice Department for the New York Times and ben wittes, law analyst and editor in chief of law fair. Welcome to you all. Ben, let me start with you. Tell us about this process and how would the irs exactly go about providing congress with trumps tax returns . Well there is a specific provision of law that permits chairman of congressional committees to request specific tax returns, although to the extend that their individual tax returns they have to be only they have to be kept confidential and not discussed in open session. The president s lawyers here are making an argument that the entire that no congressional investigation could invoke these provisions without a proper legislative purpose for the investigation. That is a it is an interesting argument, it is one that will definitely tie this matter up for for a long time if the Treasury Department and the irs decide to honor it. But on its face, the Committee Chairman, mr. Neal, has the authority to request the material that hes requested. And that is the key. Whether or not the Treasury Department does honor it. And katie, Steve Mnuchin said he could do what he can to proselect the president s privacy. Does he have the power to block the democrats request for the tax reports. Absolutely. Hell turn to the Justice Department and ask their offices to render some sort of legal opinion to guide him. Now, at the current at you the Justice Department it is run by bill barr with a very broad view of the powers of the president and his ability to ken troll the executive branch so there is an argument that the Justice Department would give mr. Mnuchin an opinion not to hand over the returns setting up a court battle. It sounds like a Lengthy Court battle. The white house has been preparing for this battle for a long time. Years. For years. They knew this was coming. They knew it was coming and when you talk to sources at the Treasury Department they say, kendis, game on. They are fully prepared as katie said to have this fight play out. Not in congress, not on house ways and Means Committee chairman richard neal Oversight Committee but on the courts. And that is really where all of this is headed. Youre seeing this trickle out in legal documents now with the president s attorneys getting involved to supporters of the president and inside of the administration, they say, hey, wait a minute, bob mueller looked at everything in his finances and you had all of the pressure in the campaign and voters decided that they didnt want to do this and then ill be frank here, it is not just democrats who are pressing the administration on this. There are many, Many Republican lawmakers in office who feel that if you are going to run for the highest office, you have to be transparent about your tax returns to see the foreign dealings and how theyre involved. To which Bernie Sanders is getting heat. He said he will release his ten years of tax returns fairly shortly. But ben, let me ask you about this in the meantime because some are saying even if the democrats win this court battle and they get the tax returns, there might be a period, because of the confidential aspect, where they wont be able to reveal what theyre seeing inside. It is like the dog that is chasing after the fire truck, they get the fire truck and then dont know what to do with it. Yeah, so i think they would be so lucky as to be in that situation. Realistically if the Treasury Department and, katie is right, the Justice Department as well, decide to fight this, and i think it is reasonable to expect that they will, they can tie it up for a very long time. A court battle will take months, at a minimum, years likely. The more interesting question to me is not who will win the court battle, but is there some something that donald trump wants enough from congress that mr. Neal and nancy pelosi can say, there is no way youre getting that unless and until we are satisfied on this matter. And i think these issues are normally resolved through the push and pull of power politics between the branches, not ultimately by courts and i think this is going to be a staring contest that the real question comes down to who blinks first. And i suspect that this is a question that trump cares about a great deal for whatever reason and i suspect the president will be disinclined to blink on it. Weve been talking sequels today as far as house parties and it sounds like a sequel to bring it on to the white house. And bring it on and democrats are saying it has been broughten. Well see how it plays out. Kevin cirilli and katie thank you so much and ben wittes as well. Still ahead. No vacancy. President trump sends a message to immigrants headed to the border, our country is full but was his message well received . S . 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And you may recall it was a year ago today when former attorney general Jeff Sessions announced the zerotolerance policy which ultimately separated more than 2800 Migrant Children from their families. Lets go to maria attencio where a highway cargo lane between the two countries have been closed. So how is the president s new message being received by folks there in the border communities . Reporter kendis, i have spoken with businessmen over the past week who tell me that the rhetoric about the shutdown and then there isnt a shutdown, that potentially hes going to impose tariffs on the Auto Industry, these bottlenecks that were seeing at the border, it is hurting their bottom line. I want to bring in david garcia. You oversee trucks for your business, sir, can you tell me what is your experience the last couple of hours and days . The last week it is gone from what we could cross a truck about every hour to an hour and a half and we waited up to almost 24 hours in line just to cross one truck. Reporter 24 hours in line . How is that hurting your bottom line . Well, when we manufacture, we only have the right amount of inventory to produce the right amount of product that the customer expects a day or two later. When we have a disruption, whether because of lack of material or stopping a truck 24 hours out of line. We have the potential of stopping our customers in the factories. So that is hurting Business Owners, ultimately the american consumer. Do you think that what we have almost two crisis here, the influx of migrants but you as a Business Owner are looking at another crisis. Definitely. Reporter thank you for joining us today. Kendis, every minute that goes by is 1 million in trade between the u. S. And mexico. And there you see the real impact of all of those closures and the rhetoric. Even though the president did not officially close the border itself, it is having a big impact on the businesses the Business Owners. Do they appear hopeful that things will lighten up there . Reporter there is no sign of this ending. In fact it is getting worse by the day. Ive been here all week and that is my experience, and, in fact, the ceo of an organization that represents 250 businesses here, kendis, told me he didnt shut the border but in a way this is a partial shutdown to our businesses. Kendis. And a very busy border it is indeed. People were alarmed that it might impact avocados and it is impacting businesses and business people. Thanks to marianna in el paso. Joining me is raul rayes, an attorney and msnbc contribute and you know the el paso area very well. It is your home town. But that said, were not just talking el paso which is a busy area as well. All along the border, this is having an impact, so you have these lawsuits that have been filed. What impact will they have and how will they move forward . Well, theyre going to move forward as the cases do very slowly. But the bottom line, in terms of the Legal Framework were looking at, this president the crisis, what the problem is the influx of migrants from Central America arriving at the border and by statute they do have the right to claim the right to humanitarian relief or the right to asylum. Whether the president declares there is a National Emergency or asserts the border will be shut down or partially, that cannot terminate these laws and that is the Legal Framework were looking at. And we saw trump making this statement that somehow the country is full. And i dont know what data hes going on but right now we have 3. 8 unemployment. We very very low. Our population growth is at an 80 year low and this goes against what the president is saying. And the president is keeping on it. 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