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Fleeing poverty to come to american democracy from russia, now hes being accused of poverty. Because were telling people you rightly doing the same thing in cant work and stay here permanently. Youre telling people youre protecting our children in fleeing poverty to come to schools, protecting our poverty at a time when people parishioners in church, have lost everything. Protecting people that go to and were looking at this cycle now where these hundredyear Country Music concerts. The chorus is getting louder storms are now happening on an annual basis. Every day. Had going to be a recurring will the momentum continue on the question of guns through the theme that weve got prepare for summer and get to september when as a world and have policies congress is back in session . That can reinforce the basic clearly it has reached congress. Humanity that people are going you see the pressure from to need. Reporters asking, you see the think about our work especially pressure from democrats trying dealing with migrants and robin hood. And robin hood, one of the to put on republican senators. Does it change the calculus for programs that we fund is say Mitch Mcconnell . Im not sure it does. Program called i care. I think he thinks he has the where essentially what it is is votes to not do anything about providing Immigration Attorneys it. We saw the president in the and other types of supports to Migrant Children who are in the process of deportation hearings. Immediate aftermachblith say i because other than that, theyd ready do Something Big on be defending themselves. Background checks, its time. Children. It goes back to a basic idea of and slowly and surely hooum humanity. Actually pretty quickly, turn and what proud of the fact that new york city has seen the and run when he got pressure success. You watch how if you can give a from the nra. Child in that situation actual the fight we had over the summer legal supports that their chances of support and chance of and those districts has now come to washington. Staying actually sky rocket, it has. Basic legal supports. Got a good show today, will diplomatic whos on with us . But it still is underlined by we are mike barn nickis on w basic fabric of humanity. You know, willie, it is really when you look at these pictures and you realize how close this is to the United States of america and the pain and suffering that these human beings are enduring, and then instead of being Branded Marketing expert, i think i should be host of just as you would say jim mckay host of worldwide sports. You look at the country that donald trump is the president of, its the richest country on in perp foetuity . I would go host emeritus, the the planet. Donald trump himself is the wildly successful saturday night politics which routed its biggest spending president of competitor. Thank you. All time. 2 to 1 in households and in the largest deficits of all total audience, thats what i time. The largest debt of all time. Would do. Okay, thank you, joe. I have a light touch. The biggest budget of all time but go ahead, willie, im sorry. That even rand paul said was the weve got mike and donny but it gets better from there. Most reckless spending possibly in the history of this country. Republican strategy sues indel percio is with us and the ceo of a pentagon budget thats the the robin hood foundation, best biggest budget of all time where donald trump is actually selling author and United States army veteran wes moore. Spending more money than the good morning to you all. Great to have you here. Pentagon is requesting for programs that the pentagon lets get to President Trumps parting shots at his former doesnt want. And you look at those human National Security adviser john bolton. Before wishing him well he beings suffering, what do they need . They dont need an f22. Blasted his former aide partly blaming him for the war in iraq they need bottles of water. Calling him, quote, not smart they need shelter. For the way he handled north korea. So, john is somebody that i they need food. I saw this in katrina every day. Actually got along with very their children need clean well. He made some very big mistakes, diapers. They need the basic necessities but he talked about the libyan of life. And in the grand scheme of model for kim jongun, that was not a good statement to make. If you just take a look at what things and the grand scheme of our federal budget, its something we would not feel happened with ka doff if i, that was not a good statement to make especially in the age of donald and it set us back. Trump and the biggest spender in u. S. History. Hes talking about a 15 billion joo frankly he wanted to do things different than me. Hes a tough guy, he got us into bailout to iran. I mean, this is, again, 15 bil iraq, thats tough. And john wasnt in line with what we were doing. And actually in some cases he thought it was too tough what we were doing. Socialist scheme to the largest mr. Tough guy, you know, you have to go into iraq. Going into iraq was something that he felt very strongly agricultural, Industrial Industries out there because about. So were right now in for over his his protectionism and his 7 trillion into the middle trade wars have hurt american east. But we were set back very badly when john bolton talked about farmers so much. The libyan model. Brother, can you spare a dime and he made a mistake. And as soon as he mentioned some thats wh . That, the libyan model, what i thats what this would be like to Donald Trumps administration disaster. And to the budget to help these look at what happened to kadofi people, to keep these people alive, to show just a shred of with the libyan model. Hes using that to make a deal humanity in this time of with north korea. And i dont blame kim jongun for what he said after that and trouble. Hes making a version of the he wanted nothing to do with john bolton. Thats not a question of being caravan argument that he made tough, thats a question of for the migrants coming up from being not smart to Say Something Central America about the bahamas after a hurricane. Heres what he said and why he like that. Well, boltons only response wants to be, quote, tough. So far, quote, i will have my we have very bad people, some say in due course. One of boltons allies tells very bad gang members, and some very, very bad drug dealers. The Washington Post bolton was the president said the of the not surprised by president people trying to flee the trumps latest outburst after hurricane in the bahamas. Working alongside him and its interesting as wes points becoming familiar with his out, susan, the groups of people behavior. He said, quote, he is quiet for that he chews to labooses to la now, noting that bolton could write a book or give a major with. Yesterday on the an vesry of Television Interview among other options. But john bolton is who he has 9 11 i was downtown with the been for a long time and was when he came into the administration. Designer of lower manhattan. So far the president to be surprised that john bolton was he was talking about the freedom john bolton say little tower. He said when he was down they surprising in itself. Was think of the history and but you hear the president looking out at the statue of nobody escapes safely from that liberty and thousand was part of the representation of bring Us Administration on the way out your hungry, your tired, your calling him mr. Tough guy and he got us into iraq and criticizing poor. And immediately i thought not him for the libyan model on under donald trump. It was just a really sad reflection of thats where we north korea. You cant just let this go by went as a country coming together after 9 11 to a country whenever donald trump talks about iraq and how smarter was that this president wants to on iraq. Sometimes he was for the iraq tear apart and stop hope from war. Right. Sometimes he was against the springing eternal. Iraq war. Julia, last word he, of course, for gets all the you know oh. Times that he said that he i was going to say really thought the iraq war would be quickly, its another example, though, of how the lack of good and be good for business and be good for the stock market. Lets put that to the side. Humanity really overrights ades will little, as y willie, the libyan model policy decisions. Diplomatically was seen as a as people know that have fold my great success. And the president would just have to be completely ignorant career in congress, im very conservative when it comes to of history and ignored the news immigration and making sure that people that come here come here for the past 15 years, which im sure he did, to not understand legally. Thats not what this is about. What this is about is exactly that they were talking about how what susan just said. The United States worked to this is about being true to what disarm libyas wmd weapons. Americas greatest values are. They werent talking about what the words that are inscribed on barack obama did later on in invading libya and killing that the statue of liberty, the leader, which of course at the promise that has guided this great land and made it a city time we said that was troubling shining brightly on the hill for all the world to see as the only because it because of what the libyan model had scriptures and Ronald Reagan always said. Yielded us. So they agreed to give up their i mean, that phrase, thats what this country is. Arms program. And were talking about people but also, and were going to hear what bolton had to actually who were what . Say on that in a second, but 45, 50, 60 miles from the united also think about the fact that states, no more. And you know, julia, you can donald trump, an american draw a thread back to the first president , actually fired his day of his campaign the way he talked about immigration and National Security adviser or immigrants. This who he believes he has to be and this is his idea of being forced him out because the tough on keeping people out of this country. Thats true, willie. Dictator of north korea didnt one of his first actions and the like him. Didnt like him. First week in office was the i mean, you have, again, bolton travel ban, something we dont often talk about anymore. But there was a third iteration of that that is in place now being tough not only in north that place res strictis restric korea, he spent a lifetime being tough on iran which donald trump people coming from a number of countries. Thats something the president is talking about giving a campaigned on and he continues 15 billion bailout to because to use as an issue. Sometimes there have been so of mistakes he himself has made. Many policies, just this summer hes been a patsy for russia. So much so that his own intel you could look at just with the Supreme Court yesterday saying Community Says that american that they could go forward, the democracy is at risk. Trump administration could go the taliban, i mean, boltontly forward and deny asylum requests for people coming through mexico enough. Donald trump wanted to invite that they have to claim asylum near the anniversary of there before they can come to the United States and be september 11th the taliban to eligible. That is one of the toughest that is the toughest asylum camp david. This is a guy, willie, this is a guy who continues and weve said restriction that this administration has been able to it for some time, but he keeps successfully implement. Doing it. And the acting director of u. S. Embracing our enemies and insulting our allies. Citizenship and Immigration Services said yesterday he will and i dont think john bolton start implementing that. Was ever going fit neatly into there have been so many policies this summer throughout the that ideological construct. Administration. Some have gone into effect, some wes, as i said, when you look havent. Sometimes it starts to just get at john bolton, hes had a lost in the weeds and what is series of ideas, policies hes actually being done here. Pushed through the bush but were seeing a systematic administration, hes always been who he is and President Trump nude that you coming in. Change thats having an impact on peoples lives. Thanks so much as always for knew that coming in. Your reporting. Coming up here from deep fake video to fishing and fake so to criticize him on the way out the door say bit much. News. What axios is calling the he said, kim jongun didnt like misinformation age and how its john bolton, didnt like the way hurting more than just our politics. He talked about the libyan model well be right back. We have to be very careful. And therefore thats part of the Everybody Needs totally proper reason i couldnt keep the guy around. I didnt understand the selection of john bolton so i documentation because look, cant say i shed a tear watching him exit. The bahamas had some tremendous but it is interesting because there is no concept of a trump problems with people going to the bahamas that werent Foreign Policy. Supposed to be there. I dont want to allow people theres no concept of a strategy that werent supposed to be in that were actually employing. The bahamas to come in to the it is watching how he has United States, including some treated not just the people who are sitting in the seats. Very bad people and some very were still going on where were bad gang members and some very, very bad drug dealers. Members very bad drug dealers. Seeing people in core positions in the Trump Administration that are acting or the place is completely vacant, right . There is no level of consistency about what were trying to accomplish in all of this. Weve had, i guess, great discussions and notes being passed between north korea and love letters. Love letters. At the same time can anyone argue thwart behavior of north korea has gotten any better during the Trump Administration . We have ourselves in a position where we have serious situations building up all around the country and no stability in terms of whos there to address it. You know whats interesting, wes, and given your background its even more interesting. When you were sent to iraq, you were sent there by a commander and chief, no matter what you at verizon, were building the most powerful think the politics or the 5g experience for america. Decision to invade iraq who had thats why the nfl chose verizon. The temperament, had the consistency, had the judgment, because they need the massive capacity of 5g with ultra wideband, had the sense of an objective so more screaming, streaming, posting fans. That sent you and thousands of can experience 5g all at once. Others to a theater of war. This is happening in 13 stadiums all across the country. All of those attributes are missing now, susan, on a daily now if verizon 5g can do this for the nfl. Imagine what it can do for you. Basis from this person, the president of the United States. Its a horrifying, dangerous aspect of this presidency. It is. And when trump was a candidate, we knew he did nothing. 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Com james mattis decided one day because donald trump kept getting things wrong as far as u. S. History and kept attacking alliances, sat down and gave a lecture on the post world war ii about how all these structures grew up and how the International Structures that the u. S. Had set up and that the u. S. Had sponsored, that the u. S. Had really been in charge of with our allies, explaining how that had created the american century. Donald trump at the end of that lesson got very angry and said he just didnt believe it. Thats just not true. I mean, its like saying its not true that the sky is blue. And thats, of course, when the secretary of state Rex Tillerson called him a moron a bit more descriptively. But he doesnt want to learn. And because of that, because donald trump believes and many of those around him believe that history began on january the 20th, 2017, you have donny deutsch, a president who has ignored 70 years of alliances that have kept this country safe and strong and the preeminent power across the globe. And he has ignored trade policy that has made america the strongest economy in the history of this world. He has also ignored or forgotten the history from our enemies. And so think about this. I mean, there are patsies for welcome back to morning joe. Joining us now, cofounder ceo of donald trump in the trumpian press who continue to defend him axios, and also the great no matter what he does. Selling author his new book for some people who were actually Young Readers is called strike never trumpers who now suddenly have rushed to his side because zone. Its another gem and well talk hes powerful and an elections about that in just a moment. Good to see you both, guys. Coming up so theyre let me start with you, jim. Axios new report on what youre calling the age of misinformation and the threats antiantitrumpism. Facing america and the rest of it is becoming mighty because the world. They have nowhere else to go and tell us about it. We tend to look at they need people clicking on to misinformation through a their political lens and the affect it but, what would they say, lets had on 2016. Play the game again, if barack but if you look, youre now obama embraced the taliban, seeing it in every part of the society. Youre seeing it in healthcare wanted to bring the taliban to and this debate over vaccines. Youre seeing it in science with this debate about storms or camp david without without climate change. Any hope of a deal . Youre seeing it in the context what would they do if donald of business way lot ith a lot o trump or if barack obama continued to play patsy with Vladimir Putin and obamas own mississippi information abo Intel Community was saying, he is a threat to american misinformation about companies. And youre seeing a loss of trust not just in the democracy . You can say the same about north institutions, thats been around for a while, people never liked congress, trust government, korea. What if barack obama fired his increasingly people dont trust National Security adviser reporters or the media. But you look at this poll over because the tyrant that runs north korea that continues to sum, summer, people dont trust each other anymore. Fire missiles every week didnt like his National Security adviser . I mean, and now were hearing they dont trust that youll do that donald trump is actually the right thing or evener in. Mulling giving iran a and a big problem because theyre the easiest place to 15 billion bailout. Pushout misinformation. A bailout that actually hes its not just fake news, its fake videos and fake texts and flirting with this 15 billion fake audio. Its fake personas that people bailout despite the fact that he is the reason why there would can create that arent rule to give the appearance of real. Have to be that bailout. And government hasnt even started to reckon with how do because he pulled america out of you deal with this . The nuclear deal. How do we as a society deal with i mean, this is such a disaster this . How do you put rules around it and wash some of this away . It is, as jim said, mike, and its laid hear in front of every republican, every conservative, every trump its even fake videos, fake supporter to see. And i just wonder, are they audio with a persons image has and also, donny, and youll get is manipulated to make it look like theyre saying something this and then ill shut up. That they didnt actually say. I wonder white democrats are so and what it creates is this haze weak. Why are the democrats so weak there are cloud around the that they cannot politically truth. And thats that is thats pound a guy whos made friends with the russians, the north actually a perfect setting for koreans, the taliban, and now the iranians . Autocrats, for tie rantyrants. Joe, im glad you moved to we could talk about what the democrats. As far as trump destroying happened to mussolini and everything that came before him, hitlers rise, but lets talk about whats going on with ive worked with ceos and the weakest, the tiniest ceos are the ones that come aboard and putin, you can talk about whats happening in turkey with have to break everything or disacknowledge everything before erdogan. They create their own alternate them because their sense of self is so small and tiny. Reality and these trends that ive worked with those ceos. Jims talking about just makes as far as the democrats, im that so much easier that the sure well talk a lot about the publics confused, they become debates. I really hope tonight one if not cynical, they become numb, and all of them shows leadership and then they turn it off. They dont believe anybody or understand the game is not anything. Joe, look at jerry, i love the nightlife junior, his first singlepair Health Insuranc reaction to being caught clubbing was to say oh, that singlepayer Health Insurance. Photo must have been photo we need to get rid of this owing shopped. Gar. And i would like to hear joe and you can get by with that in biden and Elizabeth Warren, thats what a leader would do. The modern world because when nothing else matters right now. You begin to doubt verifiable our democracy is under siege. Facts, then were all just i have not seen it in the first wandering around in the mist. Two debates. Ive seen them go after barack so if you could draw a picture obama, ive seen them go after with a sharpy of a map and say, each other and busing. I hope one of them stands up and yeah, thats how we analyze understands what the American People want to hear tonight. Storms and theyre past now. You think you can get by with and i want to hear an assault on donald trump. Were going to talk more anything. About that debate. Its the Marx Brothers line, ten candidates on the stage for who are you going to believe me the first time, joe biden, or your lying eyes . Jim, the scary part is you Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders all standing together. Have little kids as i do also, coming up next on morning we as adults are into our own joe, nbc news has new reporting on the aftermath of hurricane little tunnel worlds are exposed dorian and those fighting to to other things beyond this rebuild their lives in the wake phone. Of that monster storm. If you look at any 8, 9, 10, youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Orm. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. I didnt have to shout out for help. 11yearold, this is it 247 even when theyre with friends. The noise thats outside social media will not be able to be any check and balance. I didnt have to get you a lift. Forget donald trump and the authoritarian tendencies and how and i didnt have to call your wife to meet you at the doctor. This plays into if the my concern is with whoevers in because you didnt have another dvt. Not today. Charge in the future is the we discussed how having one blood clot ability to have real straight puts you at risk of having another,. 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Think about the people in your social circle, not the people that dont pay that much attention or who you my think are loopy or dopey. But the people you think are really smart, went to good schools, Pay Attention, are thoughtful, who dont believe things that you kind of know are true. Thats whats been alarming to me. Im like come on, youre smarter than that. You can figure that one out, you can find out the truth. They just dont believe it in that fog. And it does come, not just of the phone, but it comes from our minds have been hooked up to technology where theres no guide lines around what could be pumped into your mind. And it is making it harder for people to separate reality from spin or reality from lies. And theres not actually a great around here, the only predictable thing shortterm solution to this about the weather is its unpredictable. Other than everyone becoming more responsible with sort of so we make the most of it when the sun does shine. What they consume and how much time they spend staring at a thats why bp is partnering with lightsource, screen. There isnt like a magical government solution. There isnt probably even a europes largest solar company. And should the weather change, yet again, ma our natural gas can step in. Magical product solution. Its probably going to take a to keep the power flowing and the lights shining. Decade for people to figure out the rules of the road and sort no matter the forecast. Of a responsibility to live with at bp, we see possibilities everywhere. These technologies which if used right can be awesome. To help the world keep advancing. But if which used poorly can be destructive. Like you said as destructive as a cigarette if its an addiction because theres always another team looking to punch one in. A spectacular touchdown grab with nfl redzone from nfl network on xfinity, and doing something negative to the wiring and chemicals that you get every touchdown from every game are behind our decision making. On sunday afternoons, all season long. Watch every breakout star, and thats whiy the mtion every heartpounding running attack, and every big time defensive stop. Informati sundays were made for football on xfinity. Misinformation stuff is so alarming. Thats simple, easy, awesome. Is there anything different from two years ago . Add the Sports Entertainment package we saw how misinformation can for nfl redzone. Click, call, or visit a store today to learn more. Play into that. Has anything changed . Id argue its worse. The technology is better. The technology to do fake videos and audio on top of text. People need to be aware of it. Such an interesting conversation. Well be reading axios much more on this this morning. Mike, want to talk about your new book, its called strike zone follow up to your number one New York Times best seller heat. Where do we find our characters . One tee up from this loop. In the back it says New York Times lupika will win a Pulitzer Prize one day. Pulitzer prize, how about at least 2,500 people are that . I wouldnt happen on one leg reported missing in the bahamas waiting to happen. After hurricane dorian. Heat was an american story of bahamian officials said the list man living in the bronx in the shadow of Yankee Stadium along could shrink because the names have not been checked against with his brother because their those staying in shelters. Father has died. At least 50 people are confirmed theyre looking over their dead as a result of the category shoulder waiting for child five storm that struck the services to separate them. Islands early next week and that number is execed to rise. 13 years later hes a star oil is now contaminating part of pitcher for the yankees. The coastline of the bahamas theres another fee phenom in days after a Norwegian Company the bronx. Its a long story about how reported the hurricane had blown the tops off Oil Storage Tanks their parents got sideways on on grand bahama island. Immigration. This is a book about immigrants. The oil company disclosed hes looking over his shoulder yesterday the hoyle been spotted for i. C. E. His dream is to be the mvp of in the open waters along the same coast as the terminal and his dream league in the bronx it was investigating the origin and get to throw out the first pitch at Yankee Stadium. Of that spill. Government says they will take but, something happens to his care of the spill as soon as the father who a long time ago in a top priority, taking care of its people, has been secured. Different new york stumped a meanwhile, those trying to flee the bahamas can come to the turn striel trying yle trying t United States temporarily but will not be allowed to live and job interview. Work in this cant. So hes lived in fear of the the Trump Administration had been debating whether to give authorities from the dominican republic. Temporary protected stat to us and nick garcia who say bahamians displaced by hurricane dorian. Wonderful kid with a wonderful but an Administration Official sister is trying to live out his tells nbc news they will be baseball dreams in the shadow of allowed into the u. S. If they have the right travel documents, the new Yankee Stadium the way but will not be granted work permits. Michael arroyo did and he the status would have allowed becomes aware of this young them to work and live in the u. S. Until it is safe to return boys situation and becomes involved in his life. Really for 13 years kid says aim home. Temporarily protected status is currently granted to more than going around the country for 300,000 People Living in the strike zone. I said you have to the right a u. S. , including victims of haitis 2010 earthquake. Sequel whatever happened to lets bring in nbc news Michael Arroyo . Well, we tied that up. Correspondent julia ainslie i didnt really know when i whos been covering this story. Started this book how, you know, so, julia, what distinction does how timely it would be. You guys were talking about the Trump Administration make in this. And heres a kid who was born in this case versus, say, the america, worried that he might haitian folks who came here have to leave before he all he wants to do is get across after that horrible earthquake . Why is this time different and why wont these people be given 161st street and throw that pitch. Joe, i know jack loves these temporary status . Seems to me its political. Books. You look at the way temporary george reads them too. These are must reads and another status was given in the past. One out today. They really are. It wasnt Carte Blanche to and this is when i tell my everyone in the country, but there would be a date and time. Kids to get off the smartphones, you pick today, september 12th i tell them to start reading and and said anyone here from the they do and for jack its mikes bahamas is granted temporary protected status. Books. Mike, you know thatacdo. Anyone who comes after that will not be. Thats the way its been done in he does. The past. I think whats so whats but in this case the Trump Administration has decided not so great about them is it to go forward with temporary doesnt matter who the protected status with people from the bahamas who were characters are because he loves baseball because he plays baseball. He can relate to them so much. Leaving hurricane dorian. And in large part because this so hell relate to this story is something that this administration does not like. Which, again, its interesting they have tried to end it for you write this and it seems that countless other countries, some they have. Its something that people who the headlines have caught up to are fans of Stephen Miller have the actual story itself. Been fighting against because but its not so different than a they think that it gives people lot of immigrants in the 20s, too long to live here. Often they could stay ten or 15 30s, 40s, 50s that have gone years because it takes so long for their home countries to be on to be huge baseball stars. Deemed safe. So in this case it seems to be it is timely, but then again this is also something thats rooted in the administrations been happening in america for a beliefs about immigration more century now. So than the actual conditions on yeah. Joe, you know, i worry sometimes the ground there in the bahamas. Julia, when you were here a that in this america my grandparents wouldnt have been couple days ago we were talking allowed into this country. About what the bahamian people so i feel completely privileged. Would need to come to the United States and you said theyd have but its so funny weve been to have a passport and the right talking about smartphones today travel documents. Because every talk i give for the Trump Administration underlined that again today. Young readers i say i have to is that unusual . Tell you a sad story about when is that something weve seen before where the victims of mr. Lupika was growing up. Natural disasters would need the kids can tell its not going travel documents just to arrive to be a sad story. I say there was no internet. Here . They do need travel documents, they have in the and they start screaming. Past, but often theres a lot of i say no laptop, no cell phones, cooperation with the home no insta. But heres the deal. Country and with consulates in were exactly the same because order to help people get we still like a good story. Documentation that they might and i said the greatest science not be able to find in the middle of that rubble that youre showing there on the adventure of all is page one screen. Right. Chapter one of a book you really there has been some want to read. Cooperation. We understand, for example, that yes. And strike zone might be my fer that i w ferry that was supposed to stop in nassau, they would have been Favorite Book because it ties up a lot of things. Able to try to get visas there. Its about friendship and loyalty and team work. That farery did not coordinate and its timely. Very timely for what were with authorities. But its something to keep an talking about. Eye on to see how many people friendship, loyalty and team are able to come here. We does understand about 1500 work, morning joe. Thats it. People as of monday w [ laughter ] the new book strike zone. Thats mikes next book, willie, about morning joe. Of course it will be called strikeout. Yes. The rise and fall of donny deutsch, but it will be exciting and well all be there. Really, all of these books, more than anything else, whether hes writing about baseball, basketball, its about friendship. Its about loyalty. Its about helping that friend of yours and its a great example for kids. Like i said, jack absolutely loves it. I know your son does too. Sure to be another best seller. Mike, congratulations strike zone is out now. Thank you. Coming up next, the Trump Administration hoping to beat back a deadly illness and a major increase in teenage vaping is planning a ban on flavored ecigarettes. Well get medical and legal insight on that issue that concerns a lot of parents in this country. Stay with us. A lot of parents n this country stay with us Johnson Johnson is a baby company. But were also a cancer fighting, hiv controlling, joint replacing, and depression relieving company. 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But were also a cancer fighting, hiv controlling, joint replacing, and depression relieving company. From the day youre born we never stop taking care of you. Vaping has become a very big business, as i understand it, like a giant business in a very short period of time. But we cant allow people to get sick and we cant have our youth be so affected. And im hearing it. And thats how the first lady got involved. Shes and she feels very, very strongly about it. Shes seen it, were both reading it. A lot of people are reading it. But people are dying with vaping. That was President Trump discussing vaping as his administration plans a ban on most flavored ecigarettes. That comes as federal Health Officials work to combat teenage use and the outbreak now of a mysterious lung disease linked to vaping. The number of vaping related illnesses jumped to 450 cases in 33 states according to the cdc. At least sixth deaths related to the vaping related respiratory illness have been reported as well. The vaping industry insists the recent reports of deaths and injuries from vaping are not linked to their products. Joining us now, morning joe medical contributor dr. Dave campbell and legal analyst danny savalas. Danny, ill start with you. I told you yesterday there were a lot of people, parents, standing and applauding as the president made that announcement about vaping because it is such a concern. It came on quickly, its here. So many kids are doing it. Its up 50 over just last year. What is the legal question here . Can the president do this . Can he ban these products . Actually the fda bans in 2009 flavored cigarettes, flavored Tobacco Products but left a carveout for the flavor of menthol. Which goes to show my main point is that our drug laws make 0. 0 sense. Theyve never made any sense and this is a classic example. Take vaping for people of the now you have this new product. Is it less safe or more safe than smoke something and it is it is safer than smoking and we still ban it, that makes no sense because you have tobacco which is galactically dangerous and you have this safer alternative, if it is are that are were going to ban and get rid of. Once again our drug laws make so no sense. Marijuanas over here on the side like wait a minute, im a schedule one drug . I have no addictive qualities, ive never killed anyone and yet im illegal meanwhile tobacco kills, i dont know, scores, thousands of people a year and we keep it legal. So now were thinking about banning flavored vaping ecigarettes which weve done in a sense before about ten years ago with flavored tobacco. So, yes, the president could probably do it again. I like when you take on the voice of marijuana and speak for the plant itself. That was well done. Joe, im sure youre seeing this as well with kids the age you have . Certainly. I think any parent that has kids many middle school, high school, even college are seeing this. Dr. Dave, tell us why the sudden spate of these illnesses . Weve seen this growing for some time as far as the market for vaping growing for some time, the flavored the flavored products. Why now the sudden onset of these illnesses . Joe, its important to know that the federal authorities and healthcare officials dont know. Wed like to think that its because 1 in 4 High School Students this year are vaping. We would like to think that its because mango juul is one of the favorite flavors to vape. But the cdc doesnt know which product is causing vapingrelated lung illness. Therefore, this week all of those organizations are recommending that everybody in the country stop vaping and doctors like me and every other doctor recommend to their patients that they stop vaping. And i would say not start smoking again either. Yeah. So tell us, if youre a parent and youre afraid that your child is sick with possible vapingrelated illness, what are the signs to look for . The signs are related to your lungs shortness of breath, fever, big symptoms like nausea and vomiting. So if your child has been vaping in the last 90 days and they have any of those symptoms, they should go to the doctor that day. So, danny, part of the frustration for parents is how clearly some of the tough is marketed towards kids with bubble gum flavors, some of the Delivery Systems are flash drives that you put in your backpack and have in the back of the classroom and vape. Is there anything that can be done about how this is marketed . You ban the delivery system, you can ban the different flavors, birthday cake, things like that are something that kids are going gravitate to. But it does create an inconsistency that were going to say ha, hey, were going to ban the flavoring because it will get this dangerous product into the hands of kids. But the dangerous product itself, adults go right ahead because we really at this point even the doctor says we dont exactly know where they are on the safe continuum, these ecigarettes and vaping. Theres a Big Conversation happening in a lot of households. Thank you bong veth very much. Coming up, well set the sage with the third democratic debate with the top candidates appearing on stage together for the first time. Plus, john harwood with his new piece on the three biggest warning signs for Donald Trumps reelection bid. Were back in 90 seconds. Trumps reelection d. Bi were back in 90 seconds s, im. The water. The exercise. The fiber. Month after month, and i still have belly pain and recurring constipation. So i asked my doctor what else i could do, and i said yesss to linzess. 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Biden better watch his mularkeys and jim many christmass. You know what hes been saying. Members of the press what the [ bleep ] but we do know this is [ bleep ]. And if you think thats bad, you should see his new campaign slogan, beto mother [ bleep ] new york, [ bleep ] for a brighter [ bleep ] future [ bleep ]. Its a powerful message. Sounds like it sounds like the early days of morning joe before we got our sevensecond delay, my lord. We could mute four if we wanted to, thats a story for another day. Welcome back to morning joe, its thursday, september the 12th, still with us weve got msnbc channopper 4. We meant to mute in the control room. Joe was telling a story and something slipped out. Our wonderful producers meant to mute joe. We had two big button. One that says sevensecond delay and one than says chopper 4. Instead of muting our show. Pick this one. We hit the other one and up came chopper 4 giving the traffic report. Theres a lot of puns in here, get that. [ laughter ] oh my god, thats beautiful. Heavy volume on the cross bronx expressway but we meant to mute joe at that time. Coming up, weathers on the 5s, traffics on the 7s. Welcome to morning joe. Willie tonight, a huge i say because of this. Listen, why do the kids watch our show, willy . Why have they been watching it since just after the war . 1947, 1948, just after the war, exactly. Came back a couple of hungry gis just looking for a job and nbc gave us this one. Lets just say it straight. You dont hear this on most shows. Every democrat i know, every democrat i know that is that is desperate for donald trump to be beaten is worried about joe biden and worried that joe bidens not up to it, worried that joe bidens too old, worried that joe biden commits too many gaffs, worried this, worried that. Its all you hear. And were, you know, now a lot of democrats are saying oh my god, were going to be stuck with Elizabeth Warren. Which i think a lot of the Democratic Party would be very excited about having Elizabeth Warren as their nominee. But right now the overriding fear is that joe biden is not up to the task of running for president. And for weeks people have been talking about this third debate. It is critical that joe biden hits his marks and that he doesnt just sort of trail off on answers and say, my times run out. Yeah. Remember that was the argument going into the second debate, that he didnt have a great first debate and he better do with the second one or else. He did okay in the second one so now, yeah, people are worried how he will be tonight. Well see. We have people who want to jump in i can tell you already. Joining our conversation, john harwood, and an msnbc political contributor jason johnson, former u. S. Senator now an msnbc news and political analyst claire mccaskill. And professor of tulane university, walter isakson. The 2020 Democratic Candidates are set to take the stage in houston later this evening for the partys third primary debate. Unlike previous debates, one will feature them on stage for one night only. Heres the order. Senator Amy Klobuchar, cory booker, pete buttigieg, Bernie Sanders, former Vice President joe biden right there in the middle. Flanked by senator Elizabeth Warren. Then senator Kamala Harris, andrew yang, former congressman beto orourke and former hud secretary Julian Castro will take the stage. Plenty of attention as joe said will be on joe biden as he and Elizabeth Warren faceoff on the first time on the same stage. Bidens advisers pushed back on the idea it would be a showdown between the former Vice President and the massachusetts senator saying they expect hes more likely to face direct attacks from others on the stage. Bidens camp also says hes eager to make a more broad contrast with his more progressive rivals and that hell be ready to push back against suggestions he is pursuing middle of the road solutions. Meanwhile, andrew yang apparently planning Something Big for tonights debate. His Campaign Official tells nbc news he will do something unprecedented on stage but wouldnt elaborate. That makes me very nervous. I had the same thought. Jim morrison said that before a miami concert in 66, 67. I dont want to see unprecedented things on stage. We know how that ended. Yeah, i know. Hit your mark and walk off the stage. All right. So, clair, are we overstating the importance of this debate to joe biden . Yeah, kind of. And i think youre overstating how worried everybody is too, frankly, joe. No, im not. Now, clair, listen. Let me finish my sentence. I know youre a respected person in the Democratic Party, but we cant let you shovel bs around our set because everybodys saying it. Well, first of all, just as many people are saying that theyre worried about a nominee thats too left. So theres right. Im not saying already said that. Im know the saying theres no conversation, i said i think you overstated it. Let me finish my thought and then you can jump in and we can go back and forth. This is what were here for, right . Thank you so much for telling me how i can run my show. Go ahead, clair. All right. Got that down. I can just say this, clair, the cardinals win a couple of games in a row and suddenly youre insufferable. Wait. Thats okaying. We lost the last two games. Ive always been insufferable, joe this is not something new. So heres the thing, joe biden has with stood a media narrative that from day one was hes old, hes a gaff machine, hes yesterdays news, he cant get anything right. This has been the media narrative on him. And frankly, it has been like a blanket over him from the day he started. His polling numbers surprisingly have held up very, very well. Yes, as the country got familiar with Elizabeth Warren she has done better. And bernie is kind of stuck. But the point is that im not really aware of another candidate, keep in mind that bernie is older than joe biden. And keep in mind that he has always been somebody whos said things weird through the years. This is not new. This is not a function of his age. This is a function of joe biden being joe biden. And when you look at polling, internal polling and focus groups, you know what . People kind of like it. They kind of see him as unscripted. They see him as somebody who is more genuine. So i agree tonights important. But frankly theres just as much pressure on Elizabeth Warren as there is on joe biden. And think of the pressure on Bernie Sanders. I mean, he is not getting mentioned in a lot of paragraphs as, you know, one of the two that is going to battle this thing out. And thats got to be driving his folks crazy. Well, i think we have a poll out, alex, dont we have a poll out showing that bernies actually first place now in New Hampshire . There we go. New Hampshire Democratic primary Franklin Pierce Boston Herald poll shows bernie in first place right now comfortably by eight points. These polls were obviously still five, five 1 2 months out. But it certainly shows that the race is much more fluid today than it was, say, two months ago when biden was ahead and all of these early states. Now you have bernie, elizabeth, and joe biden altogether there. Walter isakson, and i think i need to explain a little bit more im a former republican, im an independent, i am most definitely not a democrat that whos ideology matches up with most of the people on the stage. So what im hearing are for rank and file democrats, lifetime democrats who are basically saying if biden doesnt get it together, were going to be stuck with Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders and they lose to donald trump. And theyre not saying that because they dont like sanders or elizabeth. Theyre saying that because they cant stand the thought of four more years of donald trump. And it seems to be based upon what i hear day in and day out, a rising concern of bidens fitness to run for president and take on donald trump. I think what youre going to see tonight, you know, is whether or not, as you put it, biden can really hold his own. I think he can. I was looking around myself yesterday, i was making more gaffs than biden did in a week. But the media narrative is he for gets names, he makes mistakes. If he holds his own, i think youre going to see a group of elected officials, people like rahm emanuel and mitch landry and others try rally, okay, joe did fine, its time to put our money and raise money for him and support him. Not that that will get him the nomination, the establishment of the party coalescing around him, but i think youll see a rallying around joe biden. I think that it has been an unfair media narrative. Im on clairs side on this one. Because i think joe biden is very sharp. I mean from you listen to him and talk to him, its just that on any given day you can find a gaff and exaggerate it. Well see what happens tonight. But if he comes out okay, hes more authentic making a gaff than Kamala Harris is executing a scripted attack. And people feel, okay, i know uncle joe, hes authentic. Yeah. You know, willie, listening to walt isakson right there, he used the false modesty which is the rhetorical honor of the southern gentleman. I made more gaffs just in the last it has the smell of truth to it. I was counting them yesterday. I even forget my wifes name. It was pretty hard. Gees. I was going to talk i dont know if id admit that on tv. Wow. Joe, what strikes me hold on. Lets just let that just linger out there for a second. Not true, kathy. Not true, kathy. We have a president on a daily basis gaffs to the enth degree. I want you to run your show, im not going to be unsuffer able. You are unsuffer able too, donny. Thats a nice word for it. I could actually Say Something donny, but i wont. Thanks for letting me run my show. Go ahead. I lose my no. Gaffs. Gaffs. [ laughter ] gaff. Gaff. You know what . Donny cant be the democratic nominee either, he just forgot what he was going go say. I do think that people see them and theres a charm to it. I do think theres a certain lens with which people look at biden that he gets a pass. They want to beat trump so badly and to your point people sore worried about Elizabeth Warren and running a socialist where trump can brand a socialist that i think he at average wins. I think people are going to they want it so badly that i think he gets a lot more of a pass than anybody else would. I think that makes him a bit more teflon to the things that people are concerned about. I think so. And, you know, willie, people do know who joe biden is, they like joe biden. He may be the perfect anecdote to donald trump. And donny is right that for every gaff joe biden may have, for every every socalled senior moment that joe biden has, donald trump seems to have five. I mean, he was stumbling around yesterday when he was talking about vaping. He often just his mind just seems to wander off somewhere else. So i think maybe the concern underlines the fact how d desperately democrats want to beat donald trump and they dont want to make up in may of next year and find themselves with a candidate thats unable to take the fight from donald trump. And from the table it seems like most people believe that joe biden can do that. Does he make gaffs but hes always made them and the question is will voters care snuff . Because i think donnys right, that voters want to swowin so by this theyre willing to overlook things they may previously have not overlooked or say there he goes again. As long as can he beat donald trump, im okay with it. The problem is maybe the case Elizabeth Warren will make and maybe Bernie Sanders as well, if you look at head to head polling, whatever value you put in that, they can say wait a minute, i can beat donald trump too. If i can get there by a car and plane then i look at which ways more comfortable. You have three potential candidates. A recent poll says Bernie Sanders could beat trump in texas. Democrats have options in ways that they havent in a long time. But i will push back on this. Ive never seen a president ial election, never studied a president ial election where you can win by voting against somebody instead of in favor of your guy. If all of this energy is about we think joe biden can beat donald trump, then Donald Trumps going to get reelect and be right back in office in 2021. People have to be passionate about joe biden. And i think whats happening with this with the gaffs. Its kind of like if you saw a short preview of a tarantino film you think all they do is cuss but then you have to watch the whole move muff i have and theres some plot here, right . Thats what happens with joe biden. All we see is highlights of the gaff dollar gaffs. We dont see the previous 45 minutes. Thats why hes still doing well in the state polls but naturally people may question him. On the ground his game is strong and i dont think hell have to do much tonight. As long hes didnt fall over himself and stumble and spill water on his shirt, hell probably still win. John harwood, the issues been put on the table here by a couple of people. The coverage of this campaign. If you go out there, as youve been out there, youve been to rallies, ive been to rallies, the coverage of the campaign in terms of the coverage of joe biden seems not to match the country in a sense, at least some of the rallies ive been to. People are not upset about the gaffs or anything like that. Whats your view . I would reverse the burden of proof a little bit. I think its less joe biden having to prove hes fit than other people or events proving that hes not fit. For all the talk about this strong media narrative and the negative coverage of his gaffs, the numbers havent really moved. Hes been in a pretty stable position. Clearly his strength among africanamerican voters especially older ones, is has been very stable. Thats what gives him a big lead in this race. Now, its vulnerable to setbacks if he should lose iowa, lose New Hampshire, hes not going to have that same support in south carolina. The other thing i would say with respect to gaffs, i dont i dont really think the issue here with joe biden is as much age is that hes run for president twice before. He wasnt particularly effective in those races. So some of what people are the joe biden is has big strengths, as jason alluded to in person. Hes warm, hes charming, all that sort of thing. But hes not the greatest speaker in politics. And weve seen that and we continue to see that. It so happens for his benefit that his strengths are pretty well matched for this moment. However, Elizabeth Warren is the one whos got genuine momentum in the race right now. Shes the person who is making things happen, who is defining herself with the clearest message. And so stability for joe biden is good right now, but that doesnt mean that Elizabeth Warren is not going to be able to pass him in iowa and places after that. The always charming claire mccaskill. I need to clarify this. I of course am i one who sis insufferable and you are nice whether the cardinals are win organize joe biden now for what . The last five, six, seven minutes. But elizabeth has surprised a lot of people in that shes shes hit every mark it seems this campaign. It was shaky when she ran to oklahoma with an ancestry. Com dna test, that was a mistake. But after that she survived that, she survived the attacks from donald trump. And since then she has seemed to hit mark time and time again. Yeah. Its going to be interesting to see how this develops because she also hasnt had attacks. Joe biden has been the subject of a lot of what i call backroom attacks, that is, people calling and trying to make sure that Everybody Knows to print whatever problem hes got, whether its his family playing around the edges when they shouldnt. Meanwhile, elizabeth frankly and everyone else, has gone pretty unscathed. I would disagree a little bit with what was said before. Donald trump is president because a lot of people voted against Hillary Clinton. Not because they were voting for donald trump. And were going to have that same phenomena this time. Were going to have a lot of people voting against donald trump, not necessarily for the democratic nominee. And so i really think that elizabeth, as she continues, and i think she will, to be competitive, well see how she handles incoming. Because she really hasnt had incoming yet. And the incoming that i think that her camp probably is worried about is how realistic . Yes, shes going to fight for things, but how realistic is it that the promises shes making . Are they phoney or are they real . And the last thing in the world that you can get away with right now is running for president , making a lot of promises that frankly arent realistic. Like free college for everyone or like doing away with private insurance in the workplace. So elizabeths going to have to take that into consideration and figure out how she goes forward with the progressive mantle, but being a candidate that doesnt scare people for some of the more you know, some of the things that a lot of moderate voters who were going to need in november of next year are going to be uncomfortable with. Lets bring in two more voices about tonights debate. Joining us from houston, mariaer beana. Shes in charge of also kirst wes sa valle. They just released their fifth annual power of the sister vote survey which asked which issues matter the most to black women ahead of the 2020 elections. Kirsten, i want to start with you. Tell us what the numbers show and what youll be watching tonight in houston. Well, the numbers show good morning, thank you for having me. The numbers show that black women contain multitudes and by necessity are interested in a whyd array of things. Number one being policing reform and criminal justice followed by Affordable Housing and healthcare concerns. So what i expect to see today is with the influence and impact that black women have had on previous elections is for those things to bed in a very clear straightforward way and not just pushed aside as they typically are. Im look at some of the polling. The number that jumped out at me among people that respond to your poll, 95 said they plan to vote in the 2020 president ial election. This is an important and engaged group of voters. Absolutely. Absolutely. And even speaking to your previous guest speak about joe biden, what we see is older black women of course name recognition and Democratic Party of for sure still supporting joe biden. But were going to have to deal with more than his gaffs. We have to talk about things that i would consider and many would consider to be racist. Theres the statements poor students are just as smart as white students. Theres anita hill. Theres a lot of Different Things he we have to look for that hes uncle joe and these are gaffs. Elizabeth warren is making sense. Theres criminal justice plans there. She is meeting black women where we are. Shes bringing us to the table and shes coming to our table saying what do you need and what to do you want . Its more than gaffs that were looking at. Joe biden leads in your poll with 25 , Kamala Harris second at 15 , Elizabeth Warren at 2012 , Bernie Sandersa the 10 . But 26 is the leading vote getter as prefer not to answer as other or hasnt made up the respondent hasnt made up her mind there. Maria, let me go to you for what youre looking at tonight through your lens as you watch the people on stage tonight . Its great to be back on. Last time we talked we were coming out of detroit and our survey at the time was expressing a lot of support for warren and anticipating this bump that were seeing for her over the summer. Tonight were looking at candidates who can go beyond trump. Absolutely theyre going stroh to make their case about how they beat donald trump. But we want folks, candidates who are clear about animating the historic turnout that well need, the multi Racial Coalition to go up against his base that will be loyal and motivated. Really we want to hear candidates talk about their vision for governing, not just their vision for how they beat trump. Because beating trump for our movement, for the Indivisible Movement is the floor, not the ceiling. What are the issues . Whats at the top of mind of people that you speak with, people in your Progressive Group . Yeah, as organizing across the country of course the cost of healthcare, climate, justice always comes up. But just this week in houston im happy to be in the lone star, but just this week were having a week of action on immigration because democrats cannot be sheepish about this issue. Donald trump is going to make this an issue whether we like it or not and our coalition, our basin concludes immigrant families and their communities. And so we have to be clear about how we intend to defend them, how we intend to roll back this administration. Jason has a question. Go ahead. Good to see you this morning, kirsten. Jason, hello. Good to see you. So youve got 26 of women in your poll who basically said what else you got, right . This campaigns been going on for a while and the majority still say dont know undecided. What do you think is going on with that large group of black women . Is this it that theyve not been impressed . Is it that theyre basically waiting until this weeds itself out after iowa and then theyll make a decision . Because thats a large number of people to still be undecided this late into the campaign season. Well, you know, i think weve been told since 1964 that were sick and tired of being sick and tired. And were looking at something where we know that donald trump is not the root cause, hes a symptom of america itself. And especially among generation z and millennial women, theyre tired of, you know, what are we going vote against . This is the biggest election of our lifetime. You have to do this to protect the country. But whos going to protect black women . Whos going to say were going to do this for you . We often say at the interaction of state and Sexual Violence that you see the bodies of black women . What are we going to do about militarized Police Forces that not only kill but rape . What are we doing about the fact that our children could be neighborhoods where their stalked and murdered . What do we do when loved ones are in the hospital and Insurance Companies and pharmaceutical companies and the Healthcare System kind of conspire to not outright kill us but they dont care if we die. Its this is more than just donald trump. Theyre going to have to come harder than we have to beat trump. Every election is a serious election. Well see if they do tonight. Thanks so much for your time this morning. Great to have you with us. Thank you. Thank you. John harwood, youre there in houston. Everyones always looking for the dynamic of a race to change based upon a debate. Kamala harris after the first debate in miami got a nice bump when she went up against joe biden. What do you expect to see today . Because really shes subsided since then and the race has settled back out to biden at the top with Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders fighting for second place. What could change the state of this race tonight . Im not sure anything could other than a terrible mistake by somebody. I think Kamala Harrisi having seen the attack on joe biden didnt do that much in a lasting way, cory booker found that out as well, needs to focus on her own presentation, the clarity of her own message to demonstrate some conviction and exactly what she wants to do as president. But i got to say, i think senator mccaskill and jason put their finger on the core choice that democrats as a party have to face. Senator mccaskill was saying that, you know, you can run a plain Vanilla Campaign that harvests all of the discontent with President Trump that makes it a referendum on him rather than a choice that might alienate some moderate voters. But jason made the point which i think is true, that youve also got to galvanize voters, especially young voters, young voters of color in some of states that matter. That was one of Hillary Clintons problems. Do you run a campaign thats got more of an electric charge dore you go plain vanilla . Now it is possible that donald trump is so unpopular, hes now below 40 in the last few National Polls that it wont matter. And either kind of candidate can win. The choice earlier, you know, the or the airplane. But thats what democrats have got to look at that stage and figure out. Jason, last word to you. What are you looking at . I think its going to be key for lower key candidates. Its got to be a time for beto, booker, castro. Theyre probableboyly going on a sue said attack attacking him because attacking him is the only way anyones going to Pay Attention to them. Great to talk to you this morning. Thanks so much. Joe. I agree with john harwood if donald trump cannot rev up the base and get the base out, then nobody ever can. And claire was right. Claire, lets go to you. Youre completely right about, you know, Hillary Clinton. Donald trump didnt win in 2016, Hillary Clinton lost. Speaking of losing, i dont know if you saw, claire, the red sox last night, they played great. They gave it all they had. You really want to go there . Do you really want to do this . Hey, this is my leadup. Okay. To complimenting you. Ill shut up. So im doing walter and im being selfdeprecating first and then i lead into complimenting you. Okay. So, we fought hard, i was proud of the team. In the ninth inning it looked like after we got our second hit of the game we might just pull through but we ended up losing 80. The cardinals on will other hand, a fourgame lead right now. This has been an up and down season, theyve been, you know, struggling to stay at 500. But, man, they are talk about hitting their marks. Theyre doing it now in september. I know theyve lost two, but then again the cubs have lost two as well. Theyre still four up. Talk about the cardinals going into the fall . Well, heres the scary thing. We have seven fiend games left. Ten of them are against the cubs and milwaukee. Oh. So. Gees. You are looking at a situation, we first have to go in to wrigley and take four games with the cubs. And then the last three games of the season are the cubs in st. Louis. So this thing is going to go down to the wire. Im a little nervous that our offense has been sleep yt last two nights. We cant do this if were getting one run, which we did the last two nights. Our starting pitching has been good. I mean, flahartys on fire. But our bull pen has been really our bull pen gives you a heart attack. Carlos usually comes through at the end after maybe he walks a batter or gets somebody on base. Yeah. But right. Our bull pen has been really hit and miss, so to speak. So well see. Its going to be really exciting and ill be talking about it probably way more than everybody wants to hear about it. The saints winning on monday night, thats a metaphor you have to watch. Bring it back to new orleans. Oh my god. Here we go. Here we go. Walter again, well be watching the cardinals obviously since we wont be watching too much of the red sox. Donny deutsch, quickly, i need a coffee mug. I need a saturday night politics coffee mug, the greatest summer series in the history of msnbc, you doubled your rivals. I need the coffee mug. So when you can put emayor pit tis on the emeritus if you want to. Because i know its coming back in another form. Theres been a ground swell. Even overseas troops. I can feel it. They free saturday night politics. They want it back and theyre upset. But im here. 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Also with us former u. S. Attorney, now an nbc news Law Enforcement analyst and star podcaster chuck rosenberg. Good morning to you both. Senator, ill start with you. Weve got a bunch of people that want to ask you a lot of questions. I want to ask you questions about the work youre doing on the security. Youre trying to get your Senate Colleagues do something serious and effective on the question of skeerg our elections based secu. Whats the status of your work there . Were getting close on the tax side trying to get agreement, something Amy Klobuchar and i worked on for 2 1 2 years to work through the process. Were not waiting on the legislative part of it. Were working with the department of Homeland Security and with the funding weve added about 380 million in funding grants to the states. Theyve already had that money, theyve started implementing it. We is have people with security clearance in every single state, thats a dramatic change from 2016. Weve got additional cyber protections on every single state that wants access. Theyre not compelled but almost every state has done that. The five states that didnt have elections, only one of emthem will be left by 2020. We made a lot of progress. Id love to see this piece of legislation done because i dont want us to ever forget learning the lessons of 2016. But i do think were already implementing most of this already right now. Election interference has become this broad sort of catchall term for what happened in the 2016 election. What specifically are you looking at and what can happen from the governments side . We know some of the social Media Companies have a responsibility to do their part, but what can you all do specifically to protect the elections . So very perceptive to split that up. A lot of people try to combine it. Youve got interference as far as attacking officials, attacking websites, voter roles. Those were the things happening behind the scenes in cybersecurity. There was the influence portion they were doing on social media trying to get the message out. The influence is not the area were working on. Were working on the rests of it. Quite frankly weve had lots of good conversations with social media groups to say youre responsible for your private platform to be able to make sure that people arent misusing this platform and they have stepped up significantly in the way theyre trying to be able to handle that. Good morning, jim. Its claire. Good morning, claire, how are you . Im great. Good to see you. Good to not see you but go goode to hear you by the way. I wanted to ask you about your Government Shutdown bill. You and Maggie Hassen have tried a different attack here. What youre trying to do is interesting. Youre basically cutting off congressional delegation trips known as codels to members of congress if the budget is not done. I was never a cobedel person bu you and my former colleagues are codel people that go on multiple trips a year on the tax payer dime. This is a unique and different way to approach it. Tell me what you think i think the chances probably slim and none that this ever sees the light of day. I dont see Mitch Mcconnell taking up this mantel of reform. Am i being unfair . You are. Youre typically a fair voice but this has had wide bipartisan support including the leaders office, the president has spoken about it. Weve had other folks engage on this as well. When this went through the Homeland Security committee which you used to sit on with me on that, it had ever single democrat supported it as well as all but two of the republicans on it. So this is one that i really think matters. It goes beyond just the codels. Its official travel at all. So members could not travel home on weekends to be able to see their family or to be able to catch up on what theyre doing back in their states. We also have mandatory quorum calls every single day in the house and senate. It says if we get to the end afis cal year we dont have all the work done on the appropriations bills, theres a bill that holds them harmless, holds the American People harmless, but members of the house and senate and our staff cant leave washington, d. C. , were in session every single day including weekends and we cant move to something other than appropriations. This basically locks everybody in a room and says, when you work this out, you leave town. But until then, this is the priority is the is the appropriation bills. You know, chuck, everything that the senator has been speaking about here this morning, Government Shutdowns, social media, theres always a counternarrative to everything now in this country. Largely on social media, but sometimes emanating from the white house. Everything to do from the taliban coming to camp david to weather reports in the your life and in your career which has been so honorable, did you ever think wed get to the point or you would get to the point where you would be looking at truth becoming an enemy for some people in Public Office . A constant enemy in the search for truth would be so difficult . You know, in my career as a federal prosecutor i always abided by the notion that there is a fundamental truth and that we can find it. Thats what courts are about, thats what trials are about. So at times its counternarrative is disturbing. I do want to say this. When i ran the dea i had the pleasure of sitting down with senator lankford a couple of times. Found him to be an incredibly thoughtful and serious person. Yeah. So it really is a pleasure to see people on both sides of the aisle thinking and working on significant issues. I mean, what he said earlier about election interference and the various ways in which this sort of manifests itself is an incredibly important thing. So even though there is a lot noise in the system and it seems like theres more noise than usual, there are serious people like senator lankford thinking about these things in a bipartisan way. There is a fundamental truth and we are still able to find it. Chuck, weve sat with you for a couple years now talking about russias role in the 2016 election. Piggybacking off what the senators been talking about with us this morning, what specific steps from the government side do you think could be taken to secure future elections . Well, in part theres an educational component to this. Sorry to be a broken record, willie, but if you read the Mueller Report and if you see what the russians did to us in 2016, you know what theyre thinking in the kremlin. Oh my goodness, this thing worked. Why not do it again . And so we have to understand the ways in which they touched us, right . The ways in which they hurt us. In the Mueller Report it mentions that as many as 129 million americans were connected in some way to russian facebook accounts. If we dont if we dont learn the lesson, if we dont think about it, if we dont prepare ourselves, if we dont protect ourselves, its going to happen again. Senator, i want to ask you about a different topic that youve been discussion back home in your state and also now that youre back in washington, thats the question of gun reform. I noted with some interest that you were talking i believe it was in tulsa about putting stricter regulations on individual sellers selling to somebody. In other words, private sales. Right. Does that mean youre for expanding background checks . I am im for putting more responsibility on a private seller. And if you want to define that however you want to define that, thats fine. But theyre not selling a soft drink theyre dealing a firearm at this point. If youre a commercial dealer they have a responsibility and go through a background check. Right now the way is the law is written is a private seller selling to another individual, as the language reads as long as they have no reason to believe that this person is not a felon or has Domestic Violence background or all those orth things that we have, the restrictions already, as long as they have no reason to believe they can sell to another person. Thats basically dont ask dont tell for private sellers. As long as that person doesnt tell me theyre a felon, then i can sell to them. I think we need to put more responsibility on to the seller to say you have a Due Diligence responsibility to be able to find out if this person is actually legal. That may be a long term friend or family member, you know what . Youre not going to need a background check on that one. But if you dont know this person or person you just met or connected with on the internet, you have a Due Diligence responsibility to make sure theyre eligible to be able to purchase this. Ha dowhat does that look lik . Im a private seller, somebody wants to buy a gun from me online, havent met the person facetoface, dont know any intentions. Can a private seller run a background check the way a gun dealer could . They cannot, actually. But one of the things that i proposed is to allow every Police Department and Sheriffs Department around the country to run background checks. They can run your license plate, they can find out you have a felony record. But Police Departments cannot do a nix background check. If you allow local Police Departments, states like mine where half of the state is in a rural population and they live a long way from a licensed dealer theyd be able to go into a local Law Enforcement entry and get a nix background check to be able to confirm if they can sell to someone else. If they dont know them well, they have a Due Diligence responsibility. Just dont leave it lying around, they dont. Real legitimate firearms Second Amendment advocates take responsibility with their guns. They lock them up, they secure them. This is no different to say you are responsible for that firearm while its in your possession and if you transfer it, loan it, sell it to someone else, youre responsible to be able to make sure that that persons legal to be able to buy that. All right. Senator James Lankford, republican of oklahoma, senator, thanks so much for your time. We appreciate it as always. Thank you. Claire, whats your view of what may or may not happen on the issue of kbuns nguns now th congress is back in session . The president was for expanded background checks then he wasnt when nra got involved. Is anything going to change now that theyre back . They have sent very clear signals that they are too afraid of donald trump and too afraid of the from florinra to take onp without donald trump committing. Because they have been victimized by the whiplash of the oval office so many times where donald trump has said a and then they say okay a and then donald trump pulls the rug out from them. So what youre going to see is youre going to see them waiting for a signal from the white house before any of them are willing to cross the nra. Now, the sad thing about this is they are making a huge political mistake here. I do not think that people understand what is going on in suburban america with mothers right now. Moms are sick of this. They are sick of the idea that you cant require universal background checks in a country thats known now for mass slaughter and in schools. So i think that Mitch Mcconnell is misreading this. I think this is a place where for if republicans showed some independence from the president and independence from the nra it would put them until Good Standing in the states theyve got to win next year, but im not optimistic. It doesnt take great political courage. Its not hard. The majority of republicans and nra members as well. If jim lankford is saying we need to do background checks on private sales, then this needle has moved. Chuck rosenberg, thank you as always. As i said, chuck is officially a podcast star. Season two of his podcasts the oath is available now wherever you get your podcasts. I listened to that yesterday. Its great. In the First Episode chuck speaks with rob spencer, the man who led the team that prosecuted za democrat chris coons joins us. Also ahead our next guest calling on the Trump Administration to work as hard to free a navy veteran being held in iran as it did to free rapper a sap rocky from sweden. Montell Williams Joins us here on set next on morning joe. Johnson johnson is a baby company. But were also a cancer fighting, hiv controlling, joint replacing, and depression relieving company. From the day youre born we never stop taking care of you. But were also a cancer fighting, hiv controlling, joint replacing, and depression relieving company. From the day youre born we never stop taking care of you. Mr. President , are you thinking of arranging a meeting with iranian president rouhani . Im not looking at anything. Would you consider easing sanctions to let them to make a meeting happen . Well see what happens. We will see what happens. I think iran has the potential and i think north korea, those are two countries were dealing with right now at a very high level. I think iran has a tremendous, tremendous potential. Theyre incredible people. They have were not looking for regime change. We hope that we can make a deal, and if we cant make a deal thats fine, too. Okay. Thats fine, too. But i think they have to make a deal. Thats President Trump speaking in the oval office yesterday. A meeting looks unlikely any time soon, but if one were to happen our next guest would like the polite of Navy Veteran Michael White to be on the table. White is currently imprisoned in iran for insulting the supreme leader. Montell Williams Joins us now. He is a form Naval Intelligence officer, of course former talk show host of the host of the lets be blunt podcast. Good to see you. Thank you for having me. Good on you for taking up another cause. You have done great work to bring attention to these cases. I dont think most know his name. What is his story . He has been there now close to 14 months. He received three visas from the iranian government to visit a woman he met online who he has been dating. Perfectly okay. He got there. When he was getting ready to exit the country, they jumped in, arrested him, tortured and beat him for two months and accused him of crimes that are really not crimes. This idea of him insulting the supreme leader, no one has identified what that means. They also held him on a charge for taking a picture and posting it online of him and his girlfriend, not touching, in a very staid kind of a way and a thats part of the reason hes being held. He has been there now 14 months. Did he get the attention of the iranians because he is a navy veteran, because he is american, they suspect he is a spy or something . We think what happened was somebody probably looked back at his past and said he was in the u. S. Military, but he was a cook an administrative, you know, file clerk in the military. He has now been out of the military. Hes been working honestly on disability as a janitor. So we dont send janitors into your country to be spies. When they beat him for two months and moved him to another prison, they realized maybe we ha survived right before he left to go over there survived one form of cancer. He now has cancer in prison, just operated on. In an iranian prison . Yeah, come on. How big of a problem is this where we dont really have a system i know David Bradley here in washington is trying to figure out how do we get a system to get hostages like this that governments are holding out . Well, people dont understand is that weve not had relationships with iran since the taking of, you know, the embassy. So the swiss have been the intermediary right now. The swiss government has been sending in people to see him. They met with him in prison. They got a chance to see him we think in the last couple of weeks. He has not had one phone call to his mother, who is also sick here in the United States, and, you know, there is really no mechanism whatsoever. So if the president is getting ready to open up some conversations i think, you know, whatever he wants to do, do his thing, but bring up Michael White. Dont leave Michael White behind. Gentlemen, Michael White, navy veteran on disability, with cancer in an aryaniranian priso. Was there anything he posted on social media at all about iran that would have triggered notice or anything . Absolutely not, nothing. I think what happened i hate to say it in this ethnic way, but here you have a caucasian america Walking Around who is dating an iranian and somebody said, hmm, target. They jumped on him. They looked him up. He was in the military, but they forgot to look, oh, cook. They arrested them and theyve been holding him. The warden of the prison hes this is trying his best to help him, but you cant survive cancer in a cell with 20 to 30 other people. Really we need im glad you let me come on. We need to make sure people understand they can help out by sending in some funds. We have a gofundme page set up for mike white, and it is michaelwhitefreedfromiran. Have you heard anything from the white house or state department about this case . Nothing. Im not sure if the white house even is aware of it. We have right now five other americans that have been missing and are being held in iran, you know, total. Mr. Levinson, who has been there now and nobody knows when you know, whether he still is alive but hes been heel. We have two other, three other who are dual citizen americans that are over there. But this is just a u. S. Guy who went over to visit a person he met online. Come on. Again, the name is Michael White. Yes. If the white house may be watching, Michael White is the name. Montell williams, thanks for shining a light on this. Thank you for being here. Thank you so much, sir. Still ahead, joes conversation with bill maher. We will hear his comments on tonights democratic debate and what he says is the number one problem facing our country. Morning joe is back in 90 seconds. Hiv controlling, joint replacing, and depression relieving company. From the day youre born we never stop taking care of you. Its how we bring real hope to our Cancer Patients like viola. When she was diagnosed with breast cancer, her team at ctca created a Personalized Care plan that treated her cancer and strengthened her spirit. So viola could focus on her future. Their future. This is how we inspire hope. This is how we heal. Cancer Treatment Centers of america. Appointments available now. Cancer Treatment Centers of america. Liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, hmm. Exactly. So you only pay for what you need. Nice. But, uh. Whats up with your. Partner . Not again. Limu thats your reflection. Only pay for what you need. Liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty was supposed to come back. Why dont you all get that straight. Okay. The senate did not come back to pass the bill. Im getting very angry about the silliness of these questions. Why is there a stake thats nancy pelosi earlier this week, asking reporters what they didnt get, that, in fact, the house has done their job and now it is time for the senate to come in and do their job. It is time for the president to actually step forward and speak on gun legislation. Willie, the appreciate is rising on the president , not just from democrats, of course, in the house but from 90 , 94 of americans on background checks, from a majority of americans and even republicans on militarystyle weapons that continue. The ar15, continuing to show up in one mass killing after another and has for over a decade. Breaking this morning, the leaders of 145 companies, the New York Times reports, have all signed a letter and sent it to the senate demanding action on gun safety legislation. So Mitch Mcconnell, who has done everything he could to block america from protecting itself against foreign enemies, trying to interfere with american democracy from russia, now hes being accused rightly of doing the same thing and protecting our children in schools, protecting our parishioners in church, protecting people that go to Country Music concerts. The chorus is getting louder every day. Yes, and one of the Big Questions after el paso and dayton, that terrible weekend, was would the momentum continue on the question of guns through the summer and get to september when congress is back in session. Clearly it has reached congress. You see the pressure from reporters asking, you see the pressure from democrats trying to put on republican senators. Does it change the calculus for Mitch Mcconnell . Im not sure it does. I think he thinks he has the votes to not do anything about it. We saw the president in the immediate aftermath of those shootings say, joe, yes, im ready to do Something Big on background checks, it is time, but slowly but surely actually, not very slowly, very quickly turn and run when he got pressure from the nra. The fight we had on tv and in the districts over the summer has now come to washington. Yeah, it certainly has. So ive got a good show today, willie. Who is on with us . We have Mike Barnacle on with us. Thats pretty good. Branding expert donny deutsch. Wait a second, i take it back. I want to ask something. Instead of branding and marketing expert, i should be introduced as you say like wild world of sports. Are we okay with that . Only thing i would do is host americus, host of the saturday night politics which routed its competitor twotoone in households and total audience. Thats what i would do personally. Thank you, joe. I have a light touch, but go ahead. We have mike and donnie. Trust me, it gets better from there. Republican strategist and nbc political analyst susan percio, and bestselling author. Lets get to the parting shots of the president for john bolton. The president blasted his former aide, partly blaming him for the war in iraq for calling him, quote, not smart for the way he handled north korea. So john is somebody that i actually got along with very well. He made some very big mistakes. When he talked about the libyan model for kim jongun, that was not a good statement to make. You just take a look at what happened with ka dauf he wanted to do things not necessarily tougher than me. He is known as a tough guy. He is so tough he got us into iraq. Thats tough. You know, john wasnt in line with what we were doing, and actually in some cases he thought it was too tough what we were doing. Mr. Tough guy. You know, you have to go into iraq. Going into iraq was something that he felt very strongly about. So were right now in for over 7 trillion into the middle east. But we were setback very badly when john bolton talked about the libyan model, and he made a mistake. As soon as he mentioned that, the libyan model, what a disaster. Take a look at what happened to gaddafi with the libyan model. He is using that to make a deal with north korea, and i dont blame kim jongun for what he said after that. He wanted nothing to do with john bolton, and thats not a question of being tough. Thats a question of being not smart to Say Something like that. Well, boltons only response so far, quote, i will have my say in due course. One of boltons allies tells the Washington Post, bolton was not surprised by President Trumps latest outbursts after working alongside him and becoming familiar with his behavior. The ally of bolton said, quote, he is quiet for now noting that bolton could write a book or give a major Television Interview among other options. Joe, we said this before, but john bolton is who john bolton has been for a long time. Right. And was when he came into the administration. So for the president to be surprised that john bolton was john bolton is a little surprising in itself. But you hear the president and nobody escapes safely from that administration, on the way out calling him mr. Tough guy and saying again and again, he got us into iraq and criticizing him for the libyan model on north korea. Yeah, first of all you just cant let this go by whenever donald trump talks about iraq and talks about how smart he was on iraq. Sometimes he was for the iraq war. Right. Sometimes he was against the iraq war. He, of course, forgets all of the times that he said he thought the iraq war would be good and would be good for business and good for the stock market. So lets put that to the side. Willie, i mean as you know, the libyan model actually diplomatically was seen as a great success, and the president would just have to be completely ignorant of history and have ignored the news for the past 15 years which im sure he did to not understand that they were talking about how the United States worked to disarm libyas wmd weapons. They werent talking about what barack obama did later on in invading libya and killing that leader, which of course at the time we said that was troubling only because of what the libyan model had yielded us. So they agreed to give up their arms program. But also and were going to hear what bolton had to actually say on that in a second, but also think about the fact that donald trump, an american president , actually fired his National Security adviser or forced him out because the dictator of north korea didnt like him. Didnt like him. I mean you have, again, bolton being tough not only in north ifetime being tough on iran which donald trump is now talking about giving a 15 billion bailout has made. Hes been a patsy for russia. So much so that his own intel Community Says that american democracy is at risk. The taliban, i mean bolton wasnt sufficiently pro taliban enough. Donald trump wanted to invite near the anniversary of september 11th the taliban to camp david. This is a guy willie, this is a guy who continues, and weve said it for sometime, but he keeps doing it, embracing our enemies and insulting our allies. I dont think john bolton was ever going to fit neatly into that sort of ideological construct. Yes. Wes, as i said, when you look at john bolton he has had a series of ideas, a series of policies he pushed through the bush administration. He has always been who he is, and President Trump knew that coming in. On the way out the door to criticize him for all of those things when you welcomed him this is a bit odd, but, yes. What jumped out to me is what was said, is that kim jongun didnt like john bolton and the way he talked about the libyan model and thats part of the reason i couldnt keep the guy around. I didnt understand the selection of john bolton, so i cant say i shed a tear watching him exit, but it is interesting because theres no concept of a trump Foreign Policy. Theres no concept of a strategy that were actually employing. It is watching how he has treated not just the people sitting in the seats, we are still going on where we have people sitting in core positions in the Trump Administration that are either acting or the place is completely vacant. There is no level of consistency about what were actually trying to accomplish in all of this. You know, weve had, i guess, great discussions and notes being passed between, you know, north korea and love letters. The United States, love letters, yes. At the same time can anyone argue that the behavior of north korea has gotten any better during the Trump Administration . We have ourselves in position where we have serious c conflagurations building up around the country and nobody there to address it. You know what is interesting, and given your background even more interesting, when you were first sent to iraq you were sent there by a commander in chief. No matter what you think of the politics or decision to invade iraq, who had the temperament, the consistency, had the judgment, had the sense of judgment that sent you and thousands of others to a theater of war. All of those attributes are missing now, susan, on a daily basis from this person, the president of the United States. It is a horrifying, dangerous aspect of this presidency. It is. When trump was a candidate he we knew he knew nothing. People were hoping, oh, he would put good people around him, he would take the time to learn. What is now abundantly clear is donald trump doesnt just not know anything about it, he is he is beyond an incapable leader. He is destructive to the process. His lack of knowledge, his lack of wanting to learn has prevented him from ever becoming any sort of leader, but what is worse is i actually think he has made this country less safe. He has made our soldiers less safe. He has gone on to the International Stage with no concept of what it is to be a leader and how to negotiate for this countrys best interests at home or abroad. Still ahead on morning joe, democratic senator chris coons of delaware is standing by. We will talk more about john boltons departure and what it means for u. S. Policy overseas. But first, joes conversation with the alwaysoutspoken bill maher. He weighs in on president ial politics and what he calls the democrats race to lose. Thats next on morning joe. Johnson johnson is a baby company. 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From the day youre born we never stop taking care of you. Time really is money. So, dont wait to get the internet your business really needs. Switch to comcast Business Today for a special offer on the services you need to make your business boom. Like speed to power all your devices, more complete internet reliability. And an advanced voice solution. Its time to make the switch to comcast business and take your business beyond fast. Dont miss out on this limited time offer. Call 18005016000 today. Lets bring in bill maher. He of hbos realtime with bill maher. Lets start right there. Its been too long. The new york mets have had some exciting times this year. Exciting doesnt cut it, joe. We are looking for a winner there. Maybe they can still pull it out. They are a team that i love to watch because they have an offense now, but that relief corps has got to go. The Boston Red Sox any Boston Red Sox fan understands that. Lets talk about the debate. We are going to have obviously the third democratic debate tonight. What are you looking for . Strength. You know, i think people vote not on policy. I dont think a lot of them know a lot of the policy. I think they look for strength versus weakness and what they perceive as strength. So thats what im always looking for in the democrat. Thats what i think they like about trump. They see him as strong because he is blustery and he never backs down and he looks like henry viii and he acts like it. So for me a democrat who can project that is our best bet. Some of my democratic friends my entire life, as a republican, lifelong republican i heard my democratic friends talk about how bad their party was at politics, at winning. I didnt really understand that until this year. I sat through the last debate screaming at the television set. As one democratic candidate after another suggested that barack obama was too conservative on health care and immigration. How maddening is that to you, that theyre having this race to the far left . It is not good. It is kind of a cancer on progressivism. I have been saying this for years, that, first of all, you have to stand up to twitter. Twitter isnt us. Twitter isnt the rank and file democrat. It is not even most liberals. But they dont do it. This race is begging for someone to do a kind of a Sister Soldier moment with that far left. Maybe, you know, trump wants to run against the squad. Maybe that would be a good place for that kind of blow back against what i think is not being good for the Democratic Party. You mentioned health care and immigration. Yes, those are issues that are easy to win. This is the democrats race to lose. I think a formula for winning, put pot on the ballot, come out fullthroatedly for full legalization for pot. You would get a lot of people voting on that issue alone. Republicans have done that masterfully in the past with other sort of oneissue voters. Let the fatigue that people have with trump, let that excite the base. If you are not excited about donald trump, youre not following politics at all. I mean in a negative way. And then you have the whole field to the center. But, yes, if you run on taking away Peoples Health care and taxing them too much and taking away all of their guns and trans women get abortion rights. I think that came up in the first debate. I dont think you are going to win this election. I think the only way the democrat loses is to convince a lot of people that they are actually scaryer or crazier than trump, which is not easy to do but i think they can. So what is it about democrats . What is it about Democratic Candidates . What is in the dna and i have never understood this. To my political hero, even though i was a republican for most of my adult life, was always Bobby Kennedy. What i loved about bobby was he was a progressive, he was a liberal. He was tough though. He was as tough as his old man and he would take the fight to anybody. You know what . Going to your Sister Soldier moment, as you know im sure, Bobby Kennedy would say the same thing in front of a packed crowd of Union Members as he would say at uc berkley. Never changed. Didnt fear the voters. Actually trusted them to be able to handle the truth. Why cant democrats do that . Yeah, because, again, they project kind of weakness, and i think it is internal. I mean you see them already apologizing too much for things that really dont merit an apology. Obviously if you do something terrible you should apologize for it, but weve seen it up and down the ranks, that people who have had to start their campaigns and it is not a good way. You keep saying youre sorry, you look like a sorry candidate. People think, well, gee whiz, why am i voting for this guy . Hes tripping over himself to say he did this wrong, she did this wrong. The trump voter, i dont think they are blind to trumps myriad flaws. If you talked to them, what they always say, what they like about him is hes not politically correct. You know, he doesnt back down. Especially that thing about Political Correctness. I think we underestimate how much america has been choking on Political Correctness for 25 years. Somebody should have done a show about that years ago. It would have been a good idea. Yeah. Well, i think i think you have a lot. I was going to say i think i was on that show about 20, 25 times 25 years ago. You lead into my biggest concern for democracy as we move forward, and that is not just in america but across western democracy as well. You Start Talking about future generations who are being turned off, i think in large part because of this Political Correctness. I have talked to president s of universities. I have talked to educators saying, you do understand that you are pushing a lot of your Young Students toward donald trump. Andrew sullivan i think has written about this brilliantly since donald trump became president. Yes. I know you have andrew on a lot on your show. Here is a guy who loved barack obama, but he still is a conservative with a small c and he talks about this all the time. He said, you want to know how Stephen Miller was created . Let me explain, and he does. He goes in, were making the same mistake over and over again. Yeah. I mean you mentioned the campuses. Ronald sullivan, you saw that story, the professor at harvard and the students were objecting to him representing Harvey Weinstein. Now, Harvey Weinstein, i dont think anyone is a fan of Harvey Weinstein anymore and they shouldnt be but he does deserve representation. It is pretty fundamental in america that everybody gets a lawyer. It is pretty disturbing students at Harvard University dont understand that fundamental concept. We hear these terms, snowflakes and safe rooms and stuff like that, and i think people like i say, they dont follow policy that closely. They dont know the difference between ted cruz and penelope cruz. It seems to be the left that is defending some story so ridiculous that they say to themselves, i cant let these people take over the country. Yeah, i dont think trump is good, but i cant let people this week take over this fragile fragility is not a selling point when you are running for leader of the free world. Yes, you know, it usually happens on College Campuses on the left. You talk about the cancer culture this past week at my old alma mater at university ofal balm a bama. You had a leader of the university fired because of a tweet that was a couple of years old, it was brought up. Suddenly it was conservatives at breitbart, conservatives in other publications that engaged in the cancel culture that conservatives supposedly oppose. Yes, i was cancelled by conservatives almost 20 years ago. Im sure you remember that. It is so interesting, you know. Back then it was the conservatives who got mad at me at 9 11, but since then it has been increasingly the left who tries to get me fired. That seems to be something theyre very interested in doing. Again, this is just not good for the country, obviously not good for me always having to worry about that. But the idea that Somebody Just cant disagree with you who is essentially a liberal, you know, i dont think anyone doubts that. My audience who comes to see my show out here is completely liberal. When i play on the road theres no conservatives in that audience. Thats my tribe, but im not tribal. I feel increasingly like a man without a country, and thats okay. I have always been that. I am an independent thinker and i think everybody should be in politics. We have gotten to this place where no one is. It is just my team, your team. I defend everything my team does and condemn everything your team does. I dont even see the other side. I mean the air has always been stale on fox news for letting in ideas from the other side, but increasingly it is becoming that way on the left, too. That disturbs me greatly. Im going to say i just for people that dont remember politically incorrect, i would always go on your show. You are right, your audience was almost always all liberal. I would look for the one guy with a nascar shirt in the audience and play to him. But you always, i remember, you would plead with your audience, listen to both sides and would plead for conservatives to come and watch the show, because even then you were concerned about the rise of tribal politics and here we are. I dont think any of us could have imagined that it would have gotten this bad. Let me ask you this. Mika and i are always debating on and off the show whether americas institutions can survive four more years of donald trump. You actually are not so sure you could ever see donald trump ever leaving the white house voluntarily. Explain. Another thing i have been saying for a long time that i see now, a lot of people are, i think, saying also. I saw Michael Cohen say it. I saw nancy pelosi say it. I dont think hes leaving. Of course, he has been talking about that too. He talks about this third rate comedian me and then respected comedian, third rate but respected, who talks about him not using and it uses it as an opportunity to troll everybody and talk about how hes not leaving in the future. I didnt say forever. Im just talking about and have been talking about the next election, 2020. Im not saying he is going to stay after that. Im saying if he loses the 2020 election, you try to get him out of there because he tried to set it up in 2016. It is rigged. As soon as he won, of course, he dropped that. Also, he has got his people believing in conspiracy theories. I mean his fan base, that hardcore 25 to 33 of people for whom he can do no wrong, i dont know what they will do if he loses because they already believe every stupid Conspiracy Theory that comes down the pike. It is not hard to get them to convince them it was the work of the deep state, it was rigid, they robbed this election, i really won. And then i dont know what happens. Trump always talks about, i have the rough people, the rough people. Right. In other words the police, some of the military. So it is going to get to be one of those situations where we have to literally, physically remove them and then who does that and who takes his side . Weve seen this happen, of course in countries we never considered could be us, third world dictatorships where the guy just doesnt leave. But he has done Everything Else those kind of dictators do, have scary rallies, talk about locking up your political opponents, talking about the press being the enemy of the people. So dont be so surprised if this other dictator move happens. Yeah. Let me ask you a final question. Like you i feel like a man without a country, a man without a Political Party actually. I am totally fine with that. I dont again, im worried about the future of the country, and tribalism never really was for me. Let me ask you, how do we break the fever . What if you had your way five, ten years from now, how can we look back to the 2020 race and say, wow, you know what, we took the right step forward, that was the beginning of the end for the tribalism that really gripped the country for id say the past 25, 30 years . Well, im sorry, but it mostly has to come from the right. Thats where most of the problem is. The democrats, as weve been talking about, they certainly have their problems. But when you go down the list of things trump has done just in the last two weeks that obama would have gotten impeached by, it is really coming from one side. You know, friday night i was saying on our show that Mary Ann Williamson running for the democratic nomination was saying we could use mind power to turn around the hurricane. Okay. And then trump said we should nuke it. I was saying, you know, what does the average person again, this person that doesnt follow politics that closely make of this. The democratic candidate is saying we can turn around the hurricane with mind power and the republican president is saying we can nuke it. The difference is Marianne Williamson is not going to be president. Democrats would never vote for someone like that. Thats our kooky side, whereas republicans made trump president. So im sorry but it has to come mostly from the right. Any chance in 2024 we could have an independent president . No, i dont think so. I dont think it is going to happen in this country for a long time. We see over and over again that anyone with an independent streak, if theyre proper enough it gets coopted by one of the two political parties. It is sort of in our dna and the way our system is set up. If we had a parliamentary system, yes, but we dont. By the way, in england we see what is going on there with the parliament tak parliamentary system. It is good for a warning for us because Boris Johnson is a trump figure, he is doing horribly, the people dont like him. But what do you have on the left . Jeremy corbyn. Someone who is so scary to middle of the road voters, and we dont want the same thing to happen. I love Elizabeth Warren but she does scare me a little bit because, again, all we have to do to win the election is not be scarier to people than donald trump. Now, the difference between britain and the United States, if you look at johnson and donald trump, is you actually have conservatives that will stand up to their leader there. Something we need here. Yes. 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Lets bring in a member of the Senate Judiciary and Foreign Relations committee, democratic senator chris coons of delaware. He has endorsed joe biden for president. Good morning. It is good to see you, senator. Good morning. Let me start with the firing or resignation, depending on your perspective, of National Security adviser john bolton. You expressed concerns. I take you that you are not a fan of his ideas but you dont like the chaos it created. Thats right. I had a chance to speak with former general mattis, who was secretary of defense, a four star marine corps general. Anyone who has not read his Resignation Letter from last december should. It concerns me gravely that President Trump, who is an unconventional president , the only president weve had without prior military or elected service, makes abrupt decisions and changes direction. His statements on iran and wanting to make a deal with iran and saying theyre wonderful and lovely people just in the last 24 hours is a striking aboutface even for this president. It was because he abruptly changed position on syria while we were at war against isis with our european allies without giving any notice to his secretary of defense or them and made that notice on twitter that secretary mattis resigned. Im gravely concerned about the direction of this administration when it comes to National Security and, frankly, given the debate thats happening tonight i think voters are looking closely at joe bidens decades long record of real experience in Foreign Policy and saying he is the right candidate to move us forward in this uncertain time in the world. The last draw perhaps for President Trump versus john bolton was that bolton objected to the idea of bringing the taliban to camp david for a meeting. Yes. Which is a jaw dropper just to say it out loud, given the number of americans the taliban has killed over the years. What was your reaction even to the idea of that meeting . Well, look, i will support the idea of continuing to negotiate with the taliban, but bringing them to camp david without having an agreement in place that is a durable ceasefire and without having a clear commitment to have the afghan government, the elected government and president of afghanistan in that meeting is just a reminder of how at times this administrations decisions on really important, symbolic issues like that happen at the last second whimsically. We have a monte hall president who thinks he can make a deal with just about anybody and doesnt listen to his diplomats and his general. Camp david is a place where major peace agreements have been concluded, but after years of work and with real clarity in advance about exactly what is going to happen at that conversation, thats not what was going on here. This was a fairly lastsecond decision that came apart just as quickly. Senator coons, donny deutsch. Nice to talk to you. Hi, donnie. For all of our viewers under the age of 60, monte hall was the host thank you. We have to get to that. Earlier in the show we were having a debate. Some around the table are concerned that biden has lost his step and the gaffes and, you know, he is just not up to it. Others, including myself and senator mccaskill, believe he is up for it and all he has to do is hit singles and doubles. People want trump out so badly and they see him as the best bet and that trumps Everything Else. Thats right. We just heard bill maher a few moments ago say that he wants us to put forward as a Democratic Party a candidate who can really solve the problems of the middle class and really move us forward. He said weve got a number of candidates on the stage tonight who are truly progressive and have put out plans that scare him. I think it is important that we remind ourselves, President Trump is going to have a lot of resources to go after whoever is the democratic nominee. If we have got a candidate who has a lot of great sounding plans in the abstract but that are not reasonable, affordable, workable plans, they are going to face withering attacks. This is not an academic exercise. We need someone as our candidate who has real experience, both in the world and at home and i think thats joe biden. I think his numbers have remained really high and strong in poll after poll because the American People know him, they know his heart. This media narrative about constant gaffes i think is apples and oranges to a president who is using cruelty to children as an intentional immigration policy and casual asking about nuking hurricanes. So frankly, you know, if joe biden gets it a little bit wrong, you know, he pinned a medal on a soldier and, you know, maybe it is not the right rank and it is not the right medal, when telling the story on the campaign trail, i think vote voters forgive him for that in the face of a president who has been documented to tell demonstrable untruths over and over and over. Chris, this is claire. Good to see you. Good morning, claire. Tell me about the gun negotiations. You are in the middle of it. I think many of us are scratching our head as to whether or not this president will sign off on anything, and from where i sit it looks like all of my former republican colleagues arent going to make a step against the nra without trumps blessing. What is your view now of what is going to happen on this over the next few weeks . I think this is absolutely a critical week for the white house, for President Trump. If he is ever going to show real leadership on guns and keeping us safer, this is the time he has to do it. Republican senator pat toomey and i have that have a bill, the notification act that is a very simple, very common sense proposal that says if someone who is prohibited by law from owning a weapon, a convicted felon, or someone adjudicated mentally ill goes into a federally licensed gun store and fills out an application and lies on it, he is denied. That should be given promptly to local Law Enforcement. Today in 34 states it is not. If the white house cant embrace half a dozen proposals like that, nothing is going to happen. Senator james langford, a friend, republican from oklahoma on this show half an hour ago, said he would support background check for private gun sales. That shows you have republican senators that recognize the overwhelming majority of americans, as our kids are going back to school we are sick and tire as parents of our kids doing active shooter drills, of the senate doing nothing on this. Republicans have to show leadership. I frankly think even if the president doesnt republican senators should be showing leadership on this issue. Senator coons, lets go back to where we started, the global picture. It is a big picture. It is a dangerous picture. You just used the word stability a couple of minutes ago. Stability is kind of a sin no, maam for joe biden i would think. And when you look at the world today, we are probably in 35 or 40 countries with a military presence. You can go around the rim in the pacific. You going to latten america. You can go to africa, and we have in the white house whose judgment is questioned, someone whose temperament is on display. Tell us, in your view how dangerous is this . Mike, this is a moment of great risk for the american experiment and for our nation in the world. As ive met with heads of state on the Foreign Relations committee who come to washington to meet with us from around the world or Foreign Ministers or defense ministers, theyve expressed real concern. Our closest allies have expressed grave concern about where were going. President trumps reckless use of tariffs, National Security justified tariffs against some of our closest allies, the canadians, the brits, the japanese, all have expressed real concern about our reliability as a Security Partner as President Trump tells all of them that theres an unpaid bar tab for nato for their security in europe or for the South Koreans and japanese. The way in which he has been on again, off again, expressing deep affection for dictators like kim jongun or now expressing an openness to making a deal with the iranians i think is dizzying to folks around the world. And the lack of a clear position on human rights, some of our core values are gravely concerning. These are all areas where a President Biden, a President Biden and his administration would move us forward to a place where we could be proud of our values in the world again and bring our alliances back to real strength in confronting a rising china. Senator chris coons who holdholds the seat there. Coming up, awardwinning journalist liz plank joins our conversation next. Johnson johnson is a baby company. But were also a cancer fighting, hiv controlling, joint replacing, and depression relieving company. From the day youre born we never stop taking care of you. Fthe business of hard work. Hustle. And high fives. Modernized comfort inns and suites have been refreshed because our business is you. Get the lowest price guaranteed on all Choice Hotels when you book direct at choicehotels. Com. Its how we care for our patients like job. His team at ctca treated his cancer and side effects. 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It is important to note that statistically many of those who carry out mass shootings, most of them are male. A recent study by the New York Times highlights a common thread, the shooters hatred toward women. It is a topic our next guest explores in detail in her latest book, part of the book, joining us Award Winning journalist liz plank, author of the book for the love of men, a new vision for mindful masculinity. Congratulations on the book. It is great to see you. Thank you so much. This is your work. You are a proud feminist. You have a unique way of going about it and being an activist. Whats the message, for the love of men what do you want to say out of the gate . I wanted to make it clear i love men. As a feminist and someone studying and researching gender for ten years, a lot of people would assume maybe my first book would be about women. I realized when i was in these feminist spaces and Amazing Spaces created by mostly women, half of us were missing from the men were not in the conversations and i think that so often masculinity is presented as the problem when you talk about these issues of gun violence and sexual harassment. When i started talking to men i realized a lot of the pain that was being experienced by women, right, were not going to deny that women are not experiencing pain. Men were not properly taught how to process and transform their pain so they were transferring it to the women. It brought me on a journey where i could report not just here on the United States but all over the world. I went to iceland. There is a feminist utopia there. What do we need, what do we need to be saved from, what is the net net . What, that we were raising from you. We were raised as guys, were not the most progressive parents in the world, what went wrong and how can we be better version males. What were seeing is there has been a really interesting conversation about the way we raise girls. We had a lot of changes about the toying were giving girls and the movies and the role models. We have not boys. For boys it is less worrying to see a boy play with a toy gun than itits better to see them p with something that kills than cries. I think there have been so many changes, right . The identity of men and boys have changed so much. Your life is very different as a man than your fathers life, and your sons lives are very different, too. There is a lack of interest and curiosity in masculinity. So then we see how this can be bad in this country where for a lot of men it is easier to get a gun than to find a therapist. Especially in rural areas. Montana has one of the highest rates of suicide, onethird of Rural Counties have no psychiatrist. So you have what were seeing in the news, even today, Police Officers here in the nypd but across the country, doubling the suicide rates, the rising suicide rates. There is a man crisis that is connected to everything. I really know we dont have a lot of time here, but i interviewed, tonight is a democratic debate, right . Were going to hear candidates talk about radicalization. Why arent we talking about the young men in america that are going to hn that i believe are, some of them are voting for donald trump and seeing an idealized model of masculinity and a power they dont feel in our society. I suspect you will see of of that tonight given what happened in el paso. White supremacists, men going out with guns. I know you said that men were left out of the proposal for parental leave. When i was the boss in the Prosecutors Office in kansas city, when a man didnt take his parental leave for having a baby he would be called into my office and i would say why arent you taking the time to be with your baby. These hard charging prosecutors thought they would be looked down upon. And they are. And we talk about women having time to be with their new babies, but we need to stigmatize the men that are not taking their parental i spoke to experts in the book, most paternity leave in the United States is not taken. They dont feel comfortable taktak taking what is giving to them. The same thing is around abortion rights. I want to challenge men who are running for president to talk about their abortion story. I want to hear about how they benefitted from reproductive rights and theyre own rights, right . It affect twos two people to ma baby, right . It is everyones right to choose. These things benefit everything. You hear toxic masculinity, and people feel backed up, how do i talk to my 10yearold son. To my editors big disappointment and i took toxic masculinity out of the book, i was talking to david high, and he is featured in the book and he told me the term toxic masculinity, but the people who need to hear it will be turned off by it and they wont understand it. So first of all just talking, so one of the things i do is social experiences. I love testing people in wild and natural environments. So i went to a park and i asked men a very simple question. I just asked them whats hard about being a man, and it was like i asked them if unicorns could swim, right . They had never given that any thought. I think starting there. Starting from how does this feel for you . Do you feel like youre being constrained . How do we challenge that . This is a conversation about freedom and being able to explore yourself through all of the ways of being a human in the world. 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