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Cruzs father killed jfk. You can go on and on. Its in part what makes following this presidency so dizzying and also what actually republicans should be far more concerned about than even bill clinton saying, he didnt know what the meaning of is is. This is that statement supersized a billion times. Various times trump has seemed distracted by conspiracy theories. Looseness with the truth and the lies and et cetera. But these obsession with conspiracy theories and tall talls dates back for a long time. I think the point right now is that hes using them to a particular kind of political effect and theres a fair amount of people starting to Pay Attention to the fact that as trump pounds home these conspiracy theories, hes doing something essentially tactical. Hes starting to drive republican, republican faith in the Mueller Investigation particular down. And turning it into a partisan issue and that works to his advantage in the long run. Thats what leslie stahl admitted to, i tack the press and bring up these wild conspiracy theories. Because when you write something negative about me, people will be less likely to believe it. Birtherism. Is the big one, that the sitting president wasnt a citizen of the United States. He got a foothold with that and traction with that and its what. You talk about the swamp, you mix in all the lies which he says he does on purpose to throw off the public from the press. And talk about the swampiest swamp of all. Look whats happening in china right now, where you have a Technology Company, that both republicans and democrats are posing a grave threat to Americas National security, richard haass, and hes promised to keep them alive right after of course, he gets 500 million from china, to indonesian resorts. Associated with his own. What mika is about to talk about, the lead story, which is also an exchange for family members getting sweetheart business deals. Theres no evidence shall we say of explicit quid pro quos, but the fact that were having this conversation tells thaw no one who works at the white house, ever balked at putting themselves in a position where conversations like this arise. You have things like chinese walls and you build all sorts of barriers against what could be seen as the appearance of conflict of interest. And instead, there is simply zero sensitivity to it. Without i cant sit here and say again, there are deals, but again, the fact that there could be and were having the conversation its unbelievable. As bill clinton said if a turtle gets on top of a fence post it didnt happen by accident. If Donald Trump Tweets out one day that hes worried about saving chinese jobs and hes going to save the company that actually democrats and republicans alike say pose a grave risk to u. S. National security, hes not just tweeting that because he wants them to love him the next time he gets down to hattiesburg, mississippi. Hes tweeting it for a reason. We found out two financial reasons. Were going to get to that. We went to baseball games an weekend long. I dont know if you guys saw the yankees game and what happened to Rudy Giuliani, but he got a big message from the crowd on his birthday. Well show it later. He doesnt get the message now about are you going to tease us . Americas mayor. This is another example, mika. Well play it later, booed by the crowd there. Heres a guy that was new york. He was new york. The mayor of new york, the mayor of america. The guy that took everybody through 9 11. And again, its one more example of people who are debasing themselves, for a man who will show no loyalty in return. And that is what your column in the washington is all about. Well get to that as well. And well get to the staus of trumps on again off again summit with north koreas dictator in a moment. But first, the details with ivanka trumps big businesses, in addition to being one of the president s Top White House advisers, she was awarded seven new trademarks by china this month on everything from books to housewares to cushions. The trademarks came around the same time President Trump vowed to find a way to prevent Chinese Telecommunications zte from going bust. The Washington Post reports that six days before the announcement, china approved five of ivanka trumps trademarks and then on may 21st, the country awarded her two more. Ivanka trump has now 34 trademarks in china that i would allow her to build her brand in the worlds second largest economy. Willie, im a dumb country lawyer, i dont know a whole lot. But i thought it feels like it might be inappropriate. Thought i remembered, didnt they say they werent going to do any new deals . Like in Foreign Countries, they werent going to expand Foreign Countries, new deals . Didnt they Say Something like that . Yeah, there was a tweet during the transition in december of 2016, where the president wrote quote, no new deals will be done during my term in office. President trump dealing with beijing in issues on security and trade, familys business dealings there raise obvious questions, President Trump did not divest from his businesses but he publicly claimed that he would limit the trump organizations work. Tweet nothing new deals will be done during nye term in office. The paper he is signed a month later limited that to only new international business. Here is sherry dillon, the tax lawyer who drafted president elects trust documents in early 2017. The trust agreement as directed by President Trump imposes severe restrictions on new deals. No new foreign deals will be made whatsoever during the duration of President Trumps presidency. Read my lips. Im confused. No new foreign deals. And yet, jon heilemann, one new foreign deal after another new foreign deal and i would even i think we could even have a debate if ivanka trump were not in the white house. If ivanka trump were not employed there, if ivanka trump were not sitting across set across the globe in official capacity. We cannot have that debate. Because you know, leaders have said they have told reporters off the record, they know the best way to curry favor with the commanderinchief, with the president of the United States, is to play nice with his daughter. They have said that, repeatedly. And here we go. China giving trademarks that will be worth millions and millions of dollars in the future to ivanka trump, into the fastestgrowing market in the world. Its worth, its worth millions and millions. And now were seeing donald trump finally deciding hes worried about jobs in china . Well chinese jobs was the centerpiece of his campaign. I dont know if you remember this version of make china great again . No, maybe not. I do remember, instead of make china great again, it was make America Great again on the back of china because theyve been screwing us for too many years. Bad trade deals and we got walked all over by the chinese. I think weve seen since the transition, that weve had a fleeting and sporadic reacquaintance with the notion of the emoluments clause in the constitution, theres been a systemic shredding of it and trampling on it. It comes to the fore every now and then in such a glaring way. It goes on day by day at Trump International hotel every day in washington, d. C. There are million ways in which the white house is benefitting financially from the president in both in the spirit of the letter contravening the spirit of the letter of that clause of the constitution. Every once in a while Something Like this happens thats so flagrant. That were focused on it again and say its utterly outrageous and yet it goes on every day. Hes keeping alive a company that theres bipartisan agreement causes a National Security risk to the United States of america. Transfer Missile Technology to china to make a buck. Except i dont think chelsea got a lot in return for that. But ivanka is. Shes treated harshly over the weekend on social media for pictures she posted. This seems like such a flagrant conflict. That violates everything that when you go to the white house, its what you vow to do. And it appears that shes just working on her brand. President trump on this topic has pushed a deal to keep zte in business. It involves a bigger fine against the company and installing new Board Members and is receiving bipartisan criticism. Democratic senator mark warner called it a big mistake and said in a statement President Trump should listen to the advice of his Intelligence Leaders who have unanimously said that zte pose as National Security threat to the United States. And senator marco rubio called it a great deal for zte and china. China is trying to overtake the United States as the worlds most powerful country. Theyre not doing it by outen innovating us or outcompeting us. They do it by stealing, stealing our intellectual property. And the only way were going to stop them is if they face significant consequences for continuing what they are doing. Putting them out of business a company like zte is the kind of significant consequence that china would respond to to understand that were serious. When you hear this, heidi, you wonder what theyre saying more on capitol hill and also what are we missing this about conflict with the president s daughter who works in the white house . This does seem to be a breaking point here in terms of the bipartisan outrage on capitol hill given that not only was there not support on capitol hill. There was no interagency process. The president surprised his own aides by doing this and to the politics of it, i wanted to chime in on the dealmaking aspect of this. There were two big selling points that this president had when he was running for office. One was that he was a deal maker. He could cut good deals for the American People and the second he is he was running against exactly the essence, exactly against this the essence of the swamp. The pay to play politics with foreign governments, the clinton foundation, how many times did we hear him hammer Hillary Clinton on this. And then to turn around and be defending a company like zte which has been sanctioned for doing business with iran and north korea, is really the essence of what he ran against. But to the point of deal making, is this a bad deal . If its a good deal for him. And that is the question that we have here. We dont know there with as a quid pro quo, but like joe says, two different potential ways that the president and his family could be benefitting. But the question is, is it a good deal for the American People . And the answer to that appears to be no. According to capitol hill and according to his own aides. Jim vandehei, there may not be explicit quid pro quo, we dont know that yet. But put yourself in the position of china, giving out trademarks when his daughter who works inside the white house, the president s daughter. Says id like these trademarks, what do you think youre going to do if you want to create a business relationship and keep it open with the United States. Does the white house care at all about this . We put the clip out there about year ago from saying weve divested of this and that and the president said there will be no new deals with the trump organization, but they go on unabated, they are a businessfirst family and they werent going 0 let being president of the United States stop that. I dont think they care about the criticism. Theyre used to the criticism. This is why you dont have family members in a white house. This is why when you become president or a top official you totally divest yourself of your holdings to avoid situations. Like this. Marco rubio nailed it. This isnt just about one company. China has three different strategies to eat our lunch economically and one of them is to steal our technology. And thats what trump said he was going to go after. If i want to go do business in china, theyre going to make me form a joint venture, and they force to you transfer your technology. They do steal our technology secrets. By going after this company. This would have been a big deal. The president s own position says you couldnt use these cell phones on military bases because they assume they would be used for espionage and thats why this isnt like a petty politics, the media is after ivankas story. Its a huge story with consequences not just for today and our National Security but our longterm positions in our sort of economic war with china and china is winning that war. Hes putting personal finances of his family above Americas National security. Here we are a year and a half later, nobody is surprised. The question is, what shoulding can do about it. What can they do about it. And again, you know, you have people who say theres no explicit evidence of quit pro quo. You know what . There really is. You look at donald trump, because what you look for is you look for people that are doing things that they would not regularly do. Before the payoff or after the payoff. Things that are out of character. And here, we all just stopped in our tracks and said wait a second, donald trump is worried about saving chinese jobs . Wait a second donald trump is worried about saving a Chinese Company thats committing espionage against the United States of america . Wait a minute. Donald trump is going in and letting china off the mat on this company thats an international bad actor . This doesnt make any sense. It seems unusual. And we find out his daughter, right before that, the chinese gave him a payoff. Gave ivanka trump trademarks and access to the Chinese Market in a way that will make her millions and millions of dollars. Even after donald trump has left the white house. Look. Its, its implicit quit pro quo. My hunch is the chinese and the trumps are not stupid enough to make it explicit. Its one hell of a coincidence, shall we say. Why doesnt congress use its hearing power . They could investigate this firm. Could investigate whats going on with the white house. Could compare whether other people are getting trademarks or not. Who would you put in charge of that . Devin nunes . Maybe bob corker. Why cant republicans step up . This could happen after november elections. Why cant republicans step up . Can you point to an example where republicans have stepped up on anything . Im tired of speeches, i love jeff flake, and all these other guys. Im tired of speeches. You want to do something . You know what, there are two votes. Jeff flake needs to find somebody else. Whatever the issue is, if its zte, you go to bob corker, you go to somebody else and say, you know what . And i know, personally because we did this, and say, were shutting the floor down. Were not going to pass anything else. Were not going to pass any, any of your, any of your appointments, we not going to do anything until you come over here and your people talk to us. And we make sure that again, whatever it is. Ripping infants from the arms of mothers that could be a good one. Or allowing a chinese espionage firm to get off the mat . You know, enough with the speeches. I really dont want to hear your speeches, if you keep giving donald trump your vote. Into thin air. Its five months from the midterms, the idea that republicans who have no appetite for holding the presidency to any kind of account over the first year and a half are suddenly going to five months before the midterm hold embarrassing hearings about a president theyve lashed themselves tightly to we all at this table would vote for it for a second and if i could shut down the floor of the United States senate, i would do that, too. But i dont see any sign of republican appetite for this today. But the most remarkable thing, jim vandehei, you were there when 11 of us shut down the floor on the house, and said nothing is happening until fill in the blank. In this case, jeff flake, who is leaving and one other person who is leaving who can say hey, enough. Until, probably its the investigation, the robert Mueller Investigation. Until this nonsense stops, where youre revealing sources, youre bashing the intel agencies and you are trying to get into the way of an investigation into your own wrongdoing . Nothing moves on the senate floor. Why cant they do that . I think heilemann nailed it. Unfortunately theres almost no republican who is not retiring who has spoken out against donald trump. The idea that they would do it now seems highly unlikely. Theyre so worried that 80 of people in their district who would vote for them, who are republicans like donald trump. You know, i watched the john mccain documentary last night. Theres not that many people like mccain who are willing to stand up to the president. Take the backlash from the party. Because the party is like the democratic party, is very polarizing, you have to play to the base and some of these people that you know, i know quite well, see them sit there and say things publicly that we know when we talk to them in private, they dont believe. Many of these people by the way, thats the thing people should realize, most of these republicans that are sitting there and saying nothing to see here, when youre talking to them off the record at parties in washington, theyre trashing trump. They dont like what hes doing. Theyre horrified about that. But you never see it in public. It speaks to our Politics Today and the fact that theres no courage in politics or very little crack in politics. The Republican Party is more pro trump now at the level of the rank and file, its more pro trump now than the day he won the presidency and as long as thats the fundamental truth of that obtains the combination of a lack of courage in general on the part of pretty much everybody, but specifically republicans in the house and senate reinforced by the notion that the Republican Party is more pro trump now than it was before, means theres going to be no change until the political calculus changes and thats not going to happen maybe, the earliest opportunity you see is the day after the mid terms. If the republicans take a licking. Lets be clear who theyre supporting more today than ever before. A guy who in 2015 called for a banning of all muslims coming into the United States. A guy who in 2016 played dumb when asked about david duke and the klu klux klan. He knew nothing about their histo history, would not criticize them. A guy in 2017 who preached moral relativity between white supremacists, neonazis and democratic protesters. And a guy in 2018 who has accused hispanics of breeding. Who as, as always, jumbles his words in a way to always have an escape route. But called somebody animals. Either a gang group or hispanics in general. You go back and look at the transcript and be the judge. But he always does that. So his people can interpret, interpret it in the worst way. And now, as a policy where he is allowing infants to be ripped from their mothers arms and lying about it. This is who is getting more support among republicans than ever before. Congratulations to the Republican Party. Jim vandehei, thank you. Still ahead on morning joe, the normer director of National Intelligence, claims clapper, joins us live, well talk to him about the russia probe and what the zte issue means for National Security. Plus President Trump strikes a positive tone about the north korea summit. Days after canceling it. This is like a seventh grade romance. Im dating billy. We broke up. Im dating billy we broke up. Speaking of not being able to make a decision, lets go to bill karins with a check on the very messy forecast. Bill, rain . Is it spring . It cant make its mind up. Of course florida had the tropical storm, 17 16 tornadoes this incredible flooding in maryland. Ellicott city, have you seen the pictures of this and the devastation over the weekend . Just incredible stuff this is the second time in 22 months that the city saw this torrential amount of rain in a short period of time i mean one life was lost. They are still looking for the person hopefully, now its becoming a instead of a rescue, it will be a Recovery Mission and the damage done to downtown ellicott city, incredible. Lets get to alberto it made landfall west of panama city and east of pensacola. A rainy morning in montgomery, alabama and now the rain is arriving in birmingham. Whats left of the system has enough moisture for flash flooding. 27 Million People at risk. We go from panama city to nashville. Eventually the rain making its way to the Southern Illinois and as far as the path goes, we take it today up towards decatur then through nashville overnight tonight and tomorrow up through indiana and up here through areas of michigan. So the rainfall totals possibly one to three inches, thats going to be the big deal. As joe was mentioning, some areas feel like summer, still in the 90s today in the plains. Well deal with Severe Weather there, too, well give you updates on the crazy weather. Washington, d. C. , youre one of those spots, gigts to be cloudy today. You avoid the heavy rain. Poor visibility this morning. Thats not good if you have a flight out this morning. As a control enthusiast, im allbusiness when i travel. Even when i travel. For leisure. 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Have you seen john mccains tweet about memorial day . It was extraordinarily moving. Did you see Donald Trumps tweet . Believe it or not. The president made memorial day about him. Why should it be different from any other day. Tweet, quote happy memorial day. Those who died for our great country would be very happy and proud at how well our country is doing today. Best economy in decades. Lowest unemployment numbers for blacks and hispanics ever. And women in 18 years. Rebuilding our military and so much more. Nice. Who thought that you could worry that you could do a tweet that used the phrase those who died for our great country and nice, exma mags point in the same tweet. Not quite Ronald Reagans soaring rhetoric. Some would say its moronic. And told to us by meggy noonan. Its hard to laugh. Penny, you can tell peggy did not write that. He got ten words into his memorial day tweet before turning to the successes of his own administration. That memorial day is one of the most solemn and for me, reflective holidays. When you think of the revolution for people who died and gave their lives to the rest of us and ran into fire on beaches across europe and to have that thought first of all and second of all, commit it to a tweet for 52 Million People, its pretty pathetic. Its something that this country got so wrong in the 1960s, our men and women were coming back from vietnam, but really understood the errors in their way and so many people everybody, it is, it is something that unites us all. Whether youre against wars and against americas military involvements in the past. All americas come together and understand and support in a way that makes me really proud to be an american. Support the sacrifices of these men and women in uniform who give their all to defend this country. Give their lives. And lets, theres another way of looking, looking at it. Its just well yesterday, some past president s, barack obama, wrote we can never truly repay the debt we owe our Fallen Heroes, but we can remember them, honor their sacrifice and affirm in aur own lives the enduring ideals of justice, equality and opportunity for which generations of americans have given that last full measure of devotion. Thinking today of david wright, a marine who died this month, and all the brave soul who is have given their lives in defense of our country. May we honor them in thought and in deed this memorial day. Bill clinton wrote remembering, honoring and thanking all who served our great country. Memorial day 2018. George h. W. Bush wrote very much regret missing the memorial day parade in kennebunkport. Forever grateful, not only to the great patriots who made the ultimate sacrifice for our nation, but also the gold star families whose heritage is imbued with their honor and heroism. And that just compared with the president s, its painful. Our president is so embarrassing. Coming up, donald trump is sending another, spent another weekend attacking the Mueller Investigation. Plus what the president calls a funny source, this poor guy has to, hes got to feel pretty bad that the president says he doesnt even exist. So the president , you know, the president always attacks New York Times, Washington Post the failing New York Times, doing better than ever before. The failing Washington Post doing better than ever before. He attacks them and talks about funny news stories and tweets and like two weeks later theyre all confirmed by the white house, well here, he actually even denied the existence of a source. Said it was a phony source. It turned out to be a very real senior white house official who was getting the information on background giving the information on background in the White House Briefing room. To dozens of reporters. At least it didnt take weeks this time to be, for the truth to come out. 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Lebron james is a once in a lifetime player, we lucky to be watching him as sports fans as a competitor, as an athlete. But what he did in game seven, without much of anything around him will, whatever happen notice finals now against golden state will live in history. I will say, the great and upandcoming player for the celtics, but have you all seen two teams as cold in game seven as the celtics two nights ago . And houston last night . 0 for 27, or to 37 . 27. As great as lebron was in game seven, if the celtics had managed to make, be like 30 from the threepoint line, they would have won that game. But they were so horrible, and so bad, two terrible teams on the court together in that game. With one great player. And thats it. . So lets is that sacrilegious and do something that most people dont do. The players are such better athletes today, et cetera, et cetera. Im telling you, if Michael Jordans bulls teams from the 90s i thought you were going to do the news. If Michael Jordans teams, or magic lakers teams from the 80s or larry birds celtics team from the 80s would have played, they would have destroyed them. So magic is lebron, but magic is passing to Kareem Abduljabbar or james worthy. Some of the greatest players whoever lived. I think the warriors, john and i were debating, i think the warriors could have hung with some of those teams, but lebron, thats a big load to carry against those Michael Jordan team with Scottie Pippen and rodman. Speaking of dennis rodman. Now the saga of President Trumps summit. Kim jong un is waiting for the magic word. Thats 11 yoers of chemistry. So is it wrong to say the magic word . Youre like magic and hes worthy. A u. S. Dell grags is in talks with north korean officials in the korean border town of panmunjeom for ongoing preparations ahead of the president s canceled yet possibly still on summit with kim. A separate team is also in singapore per the white house. This comes after last thursdays trump sent kim a letter canceling the summit due to recent quote tremendous anger and open hostility but the next day on friday trump tweeted quote were having very productive talks with north korea about reinstating the summit. Which if it does happen will likely remain in singapore on the same date, june 12th and if necessary will be extended beyond that day. Then on saturday trump had this to say. Try and follow. I just want to mention were doing very well in terms of the summit with north korea. Looks like its going along very well. I think theres a lot of goodwill. A lot of people are working on it. Its moving along very nicely. So were looking at june 12th in singapore, that hasnt changed. And its moving along pretty well. Well see what happens. Richard haass, this appears to be the well see what happens doctrine, in terms of north korea. Theyre Going Forward as if the meeting is happening. Theyve got all the preparations that you would normally have for a summit meeting. Coming up quickly, two weeks from today. Do you believe the meeting happens . And why is it significant if it doesnt happen . The unnamed nfc staffer said theyre trying to arrange it in ten minutes. Whether or not it happens is secondary. What matters is where the United States goes with this issue. Where north korea goes, where china goes. The summit is an event, probably a oneday affair. The real question is what is it we try to accomplish if and when we meet with noirk noirth korea. If we try to be too ambitious, it will fail if we meet in singapore on june 12, and the president and his north korean counterpart agree say to two working groups, one would try to get some of a mini package. We do, you know maybe lock in the north korean freeze on testing and exchange, they get some small things from us, if theres a modest agenda and a big longterm agenda. Which denuclearization is part of. But it might take years to define and decadesteam plemt. If they have a meeting and its modest and i think they can get things going on a positive course if they have a meeting soon and its ambitious, they will sently fail. Its impossible for a lot of trump staffers to get up to speed. From everything ive heard mike pompeo is doing pretty remarkable job. Hes doing the heavy lifting and doing a really great job. At getting up to speed on this. But heidi, hes gotten a new c. I. A. Director, a new secretary of state. Hes got a new National Security adviser. Theres a lot of turmoil, he doesnt have his Team Together yet. At least not in a way that would allow them to properly prepare for this summit. And he surprised everyone by even calling in the first place the summit. Even our own trading partners. And then now plunging forward with this meeting and having folks like secretary pompeo, having to kind of full in all the blanks. The way that these meetings work and we all know this, is that most everything is agreed to beforehand. And that the summit itself is kind of a formality. So to richards point, the question is, whether we can find some kind of a middle ground that is going to be acceptable to us. Because remember, we set the bar for this very high in terms of total denuclearization. In terms of bailing out on the iran deal. Which told everyone, including our partners in this venture that that was not going to be good enough so what looks like a framework may be hard to reach. By our own standards. But i think that is probably the best that we can hope for coming out of this. Not any kind of a final deal, but some kind of a framework. So what does that framework look like . Well from the north koreans perspective, probably a freeze. Theres no way that theyre going to agree coming out of this summit to total denuclearization. And all the demands weve put down. And so my question to richard would be, what would that framework look like . A shortterm framework, as you say, heidi correctly. A continued freeze on testing. In exchange there could be diplomatic recognition, maybe even a formal end to the state of war between the two new countries. And what we could say is, if you want more from us, you would have to do more. You have a modest track and an ambitious track. I think whats so interesting is after President Trump announced the cancellation of the summit the other day, what happens . The south Korean Leader and north Korean Leader meet themselves. And it shows that were not alone with this. And the south Korean Leader in particular, president moon, he wants and needs this to happen. So were under pressure to have some diplomacy. And again i think what the administration if its smart will go ahead with the summit. And it goes soon it would agree to a modest outcome of this. And just set up different tracks, you dont have to try to solve it all in a day. You need to set this in motion. If you want to get ambitious early on. Then you have to delay the summit. If you want the summit to be a big deal, then youve got to delay it. The runup has been so hasty and tenuous, you wonder what you could want out of this that would last. I agree with richard, less is more here. Get the two leaders together. It will be hard for donald trump because he is a day trader, he wants the huge headlines, but what you really want here is less is more. Get the leaders together. Get them to see each other face to face, start figuring out a way to have south korea, china and japan drawn in. To any talks. Much better to have china at the table, than having north korea going behind our back and talking to china and beijing. Get buyin from everybody that has, that sees north korea as an existential threat. Even though the president wants to solve this. Even to, to institutionalize a dialogue that youre just describing, and maybe to get some stabilizing confidencebuilding meshes now, set up however many tracks of ambitious diplomacy down the road. It would be a big deal. It would be best diplomatically and it would also be best politically. It would make donald trump look more nixonian. And i say that in a positive sense. Where nixon would have several summits with the russians. It would be an ongoing process. Where you would say, were going to have great meetings and a next summit and then were going to meet again next year and you build on it. Instead of going in there saying, youre going to denuclearize. And they say no, were not, goodbye. Well have the former National Intelligence director James Clapper. And next outrage after the Trump Administration lost track of over 1,000 Migrant Children. Ive seen conservatives really outraged about this. Thank god, its incredible. Not believing this policy. Its horrendous. 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That was a small moment but a major one if you think about rudys place in new york city. I was thinking about him sitting at the old Yankee Stadium during the world series in 2001 in the weeks after 9 11 and the reception he got there and has by and large since then but hes also respected u. S. Attorney down in the Southern District who now spends his days bashing the Southern District and bashing the fbi. Hes a different person than he was in 2001. And bash the Justice Department. And talking this weekend, mika, basically admitting theyre trying to undermine the Mueller Investigation. Trying to undermine an investigation of an investigation of the president. Even when most americans say even those who support donald trump say let the investigation play out. There has been some movement in this investigation, unlike others of similar types at this point. Well, i think white water, ken starr, that went ten years and they got one indictment. And they have how many now . 19. 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Whats your pitch when you have to get strike three. Like rivera, i throw the cutter that gets in on their hands, saws them off, breaks the bat. Breaks the plastic . You can break that plastic bat with a plastic ball. Jack turned 10 so everything is fair game so first i go straight for the head. Bust him back off the plate then go sideways and if you do it with a wiffle ball down here, are you not going to show the motion for the kids at home . Then you whip it right there. It will come right at you and jack is thinking my tenyearold is thinking dad dis going to hit me again and right over the plate and then i scream call strike three because youre pitching and umpiring at the same time . I do not do that. But ill tell you, joey and i have had some rough wiffle ball violent. We need to challenge like maybe cnn, fox news. To wiffle ball . To wiffle ball that would be great. That would be fun. Lets do that. Well build like a small right here on the set. A Green Monster . No, well go to central park. Well find the right thing. Its important to press your kids. No participation trophies, that way hell beat you at wiffle balls. You dont win by showing up also my brother had this it was awful, it could come at you look at a fastball and somehow it would just fall. The key pitch is the wiffle ball knuckleball. Thats another one. My brother can do that, too. The things you can do with a knuckleball. Just stop talking. Like a butterfly. You can pitch until youre 50. Phil niekro. You can do that into your dotage. Did the president tweet again . Yes. About wiffle ball . No. So hes tweeting before 7 00 in the morning . Well, there was a piece of news. We put a great Team Together for our talks with north korea. Meetings taking place concerning the summit. Kim yon chol, vice chairman of north korea heading to new york. Solid response to my letter. This increases the odd that something will happen. You cant freelance these things so the fact hes coming here is good news. President trump sent nine tweets over the weekend attacking special counsel rural and the fbis investigation of his campaign. One read this. Whos going to give back the young and beautiful lives and others that have been devastated and destroyed what young and beautiful lives . By the phony russia collusion witchhunt. They journeyed down to washington, d. C. With stars in their eyes, wanting to help our nation. They went back home in tatters. What is he talking about . I have no idea. I didnt understand this tweet when i saw it the first time. Michael flynn . Paul manafort . Stars in his eyes. What is he talking about . No idea. There was this one. With spies or informants as democrats like to call them because it sounds less sinister, but its not, all over my Campaign Even from a very early date, why didnt the crooked highest levels of the fbi or justice contact me to tell me of the phony russia problem. Theres so many things wrong with this. In fact, they did. Hes lying. We will call it what it is. He lies time and time again but one of the most damning things, john heilemann, about the way the Trump Campaign behaved was the fact that the fbi went to both campaigns and said we have a problem, Vladimir Putin is trying to infiltrate the 2016 campaign, its one of their top projects so if you guys see anything or hear anything please tell us because were very concerned theyre going to try to approach you. The Trump Campaign approached don jr. , said hot damn, bring them up to the office and they all got in the office and actively people close to trump calling wikileaks, calling meeting with russian lawyers connecting with Vladimir Putin. The fbi warned them. They were approached and the russians acted the way they were warned and they said absolutely nothing. Thats as damning as anything. Donald trump mr. President , i want to thank you. Can you put that tweet up again . I want to thank you for making your case so much worse. Why didnt the crooked highest levels of the fbi or justice contact me to tell me of the phony russian probe . You are lying again and making yourself look even more guilty, happy memorial day weekend and its quite a gift for people who oppose you. They contacted his campaign and what did they say . Well, the phony russia problem which now has been attested to is not a phony problem whatsoever by all of Donald Trumps own appointees throughout the Intel Community, throughout the National Security establishment. They all say it was a phony problem and russia interceded to help donald trump win the election and the blatant lie about why didnt they . Well, they did, mr. President and you ignored them because you were too busy saying bring it on when they wanted to meet your son and others in trump tower. And they approached them before and after so by the time they have a warning they were already aware the russians had tried to make contact. They had already had one of putins lawyers come to them. They knew about it. So its like the fbi saying hey, if you know about a crime committed on your street and you say nothing it makes donald trump and his entire team more guilty. Youre introducing a timeline of facts, joe, which is not where the president of the United States want this is to go, thats why the word spy gate has been introduced, why spies in his campaign have been introduced to muddy the waters and under mine the investigation and that brings us into our next guest. Lets bring in former director of National Intelligence James Clapper, the author of the new bookt facts and fears, hard truths from a life in intelligence and we thank you for being on the show. Thanks for having me. Where do we begin . The president takes issue with you, i believe he used a choice word to describe you and so does Rudy Giuliani. What is your response . Well, Rudy Giuliani referred to john brennan and me as clowns and ill just say on johns behalf hes a great Public Servant who served with great distinction for about three decades working his way up to be director of the Central Intelligence agency and i spent about 50 years in government servi service. I had two combat tours in Southeast Asia and served 16 years in three separate civilian capacities in intelligence, two of which were political appointee positions, one in a Democratic Administration and one in republican. As for mr. Giuliani, i will choose to remember him. I remember when he was mayor and the way he acted at that time as opposed to the way hes behaving now. General hayden was talking to mike morrell and mike morrell was asking why the intel communities were being attacked so much by this president and general hayden said the Intel Community like Law Enforcement officers, like people in journalism, like academia, the one thing they have in common that donald trump is attacking is they are factbased. They dont always get the facts right but they are driven by facts and that is something that obviously doesnt play in Donald Trumps benefit so he has to attack. Do you agree with general haydens assessment . I do. We ran into this almost immediately on january 6 of 2017 when we went up to trump tower to brief then president elect and his team on the Intelligence Community assessment and right a away and i think the president has been consistent that anything that casts doubt on the legitimacy of his election he has problems with. So that was the bad news, the truth to power we were serving up to him and thats been an issu issue. We have alternative facts and relative truth and thats anathema to anyone in the information business. One thing you used to do in your previous incarnation is you used to go up every january and february and give the threat briefing and line up the major threats the United States faced. If you were to do that now, what would be on your short list . What concerns you most that this country faces . For the short term and richard, great to see you. Thanks for the questions as we like to say on the hill. I think short term certainly by that the next five or ten years since were going to have at least six more years of Vladimir Putin i rank russia as our primary threat. Certainly in the runup to the 2016 election and that continues. The other thing we dont Pay Attention to is the study buildup and modernization of their Strategic Nuclear forces. You recall a speech that putin gave on the first of march outlining five weapons of vengeance weapons in various degrees of maturity. So short term its russia. Long term its china. China poses, i think, a huge economic and scientific and technical threat to the security of this country. Mr. Director, its willie geist, good to see you. The president is calling this spygate. He believes the president infiltrated his campaign to spy on him, you say it was to see how russia may be influencing the russians. You said the other day that they were spying on, a term i dont particularly like. Whats a spy . Whats an informant . Whats the distinction for you. For me everybody has their own narrative on this as you well know, but for me if youre going to use the term spy which i never have liked, but lets assume its a valid term, to me that suggests using intelligence trade craft, employing an operative who has been formally trained in clandestine collection. Someone whos masking their identity or someone who is recruiting and this informant was none of that. So to me the informant is the most benign form of intelligence collection that you can do and more over, the important point here is what was the objective . The objective is what were the russians attempting to do, if anything, to infiltrate and influence a Political Campaign . That was the objective. Not to spy on the campaign per se. And mr. Director, was the clinton also very aware of russian influence on the campaign in a similar way the Trump Campaign was . The argument from Trump Supporters and this white house is that you all were narrowly focused on President Trump and not Hillary Clinton. No, there was equal concern for both campaigns, particularly with respect to cyber incursions to penetrate both campaigns so i think in defense of the fbi, there was a lot of turnover in the Trump Campaign from Campaign Managers to Campaign Managers and lots of other people, a lot of turbulence there. So but the fbi im sure, i know, engaged with both campaigns. Heidi przybyla. Hi, mr. Director. I wanted you to weigh in on Rod Rosenstein. He seems to have a strategy here. Hes trying to create some kind of detente, trying to buy time for the investigation to mollify this administration in terms of even agreeing to have these types of meetings, briefing the republicans. What do you think of that . Because it was after he agreed, Rod Rosenstein agreed to this meeting that the president began the whole spy gate narrative. Its now that Rudy Giuliani himself is saying he wants to see the document so what do you think of that strategy. Is it working . Well, i guess is it. Its buying time and i do think it was kind of a solomon like strategem to buy some time but i worry that this may be a slippery slope because of the attacks on institutions and what i mean by that specifically is the attacks on the independence of the department of justice and the fbi. And so this meeting that was had was i think very nonstandard and contravenes the traditional norms that weve abide bid for decades. Director clapper, its john heilemann. Let me ask you the first ones about the or gins of some of the work that happened and thats now so contentious. Theres two competing narratives, one is the narrative of President Trump and a lot of the people around him, which is that all of the investigations into russians intersession in the election began with the steele dossier. Theres another narrative, the New York Times put this narrative forward, that it started with george papadopoulos. Theres no some reporting on both sides of the atlantic that theres another origin, even earlier, late 2015, that some of our allies picked up through signal intelligence that there were contacts between the Trump Campaign and trumps orbit with russia that were concerning to them, particularly in britain and that that i mean came to the United States Intelligence Community and alerted us to that. Can you comment on whether thats true or not . Well i cant comment on the specific origins of various intelligence pieces of intelligence that we acquired from 15, 16, and on about russian activity. So yes we regularly and normally engage with our allies and have a great deal of pervasive sharing with them but i dont want to go into specifics here. I will say one very important point i think i should stress is that the dossier, the controversial dossier which is a compendium of 17 separate memos was not repeat not used as input into our Intelligence Community assessment. And our only purpose, at least my only purpose for wanting to brief the president elect about it, which was done on a one on one basis by james comey, was simply to warn him of its existence and what the potential counterintelligence implications were and this falls in the category of no good deed goes unpunished, i suppose. Let me ask you one other question about some language youve used on a couple different occasions prior to when your book came out and in the context of promoting it. I heard you say a couple times that Vladimir Putin is treating President Trump like a russian asset which is kind of an extraordinary thing to hear from a former dni. Are you saying hes treating him like a russian asset or that President Trump is in fact a russian asset. No, im not suggesting that at all. This was a monetary on putins approach. He is a trained and deeply experienced kgb officer and i think his instincts are basically prompted by that experience so he approaches President Trump or any other interlocutor he deals with as a potential intelligence asset. One to try to coopt, influence and even recruit. So its a comment about him, not the president. So trump apologists, people trying to derail the investigation, seem to be trying to distract from the five Trump Associates who have been arrested, several pleading, now cooperating, the 13 Russian Companies the 13 russian individuals indicted, the three Russian Companies indicted by going back to how this investigation all began. Theyre focusing on the fisa warrants involving carter page. Can you tell us what activities carter page engaged in that moved the strikes go to the fisa courts and, of course four republican judges, republican appointed judges supported the granting and continuation of these fisa warrants but what did carter page do to justify the movement in the first place . I dont know the specific details but he had been on the fbis radar since about 2013 or so because of interactions that he had with the russian s russie concern was, as it always should be with that frequency of engagements with the russianings, were they trying to recruit him or had they already recruited him . So he was on the scope already and youre right, the fact that the fisa authorization was extended at least three times and each time when thats done there has to be sort of new from square a justification for it so the fbi felt they had a basis for surveilling him. James clapper, thank you very much. The new book is facts and fears, hard truths from a life in intelligence and we thank you so much for your insight this is morning. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. Still ahead on morning joe, well go live to the white house where the administration is trying to figure out what happened to 1507800 missing unaccompanied Migrant Children who entered the u. S. Alone. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Go someplace exotic . Yeah, bermuda. A hospital in bermuda. A hospital in bermuda. What . What happened . I got a little overconfident on a moped. Even with insurance, we had to dip into our 401 k so it set us back a little bit. Sometimes you dont have a choice. But it doesnt mean you cant get back on track. Great. Yeah, great. Id like to go back to bermuda. I hear its nice. Yeah, id like to see it. No judgment. Just guidance. Td ameritrade. But behr premium stain y can weather any weather. Overall 1 rated, weathers it all. 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A top official with the department of health and Human Services testified recently that in all more than 7,000 Migrant Children were placed into sponsors homes in the last year but acknowledged during the last three months of 2017 the government lost track of 1500 of those children, sparking a backlash on capitol hill. Where are these kids . Why dont we know where they are . Reporter on social media, outrage over the missing children is reaching a fever pitch with the hashtag where are the children gaining traction. Hhs released a statement saying the nearly 1500 missing children, quote, are not lost, their sponsors who are usually parents or family members and in all cases have been vetted for criminality and ability to provide to them simply did not respond or could not be reached when the voluntary call was made. We have the worst immigration laws of any country anywhere in the world. Reporter still, President Trump blamed democrats for supporting what he described as lax immigration policies tweeting this weekend, put pressure on the democrats to tend horrible law that separates children from their parents once they cross the border into the u. S. But democrats say breaking up families is largely a result of the Trump Administrations zero tolerance policy for illegal border crossings touted earlier this month by attorney general Jeff Sessions including this warning to migrant parents traveling with children. If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you and that child may be separated from you as required by law. Now ivanka is under a microscope after posting a picture of twitter of herself cuddling her son. Some critics online calling that tone deaf amidst the controversy over the Migrant Children. The white house declined to comment on the flap over ivanka. Now when pressed about why the president is blaming democrats for the Child Migrant crisis, a Senior Administration official told me overnight that its democrats who are refusing to close loophole which is they say allows unaccompanied minors to fall through the cracks. Democrats have fired back at that argument. They say the socalled loopholes are not loopholes, theyre laws to protect children requiring children under 18 be placed in a setting in their best interest instead of being held in detention facilities. Its a debate that continues. Kristen welker at the white house, thank you. To remind people, this is what President Trump tweeted. He said put pressure on the democrats to tend horrible law that separates children from their parents once they cross into the border. We heard Jeff Sessions announcing that policy last month. Its the zero tolerance policy by the Trump Administration, not a law and certainly not a law introduced by democrats. Incredible. Its not a law, its a policy of the Trump Administration john heilemann. But here you have the president doing the same thing he did with daca where he got in the way of a daca fix, he got in the way of a dreamer fix, he blew it up and then tried to blame democrats. It was completely asinine. I really do wonder who out in america is stupid enough to believe this. I dont think there are many people that are stupid enough to believe this. At some point you have to call stupid stupid. Does anybody what Donald Trump Tweets when he blames the democrats for daca . Blames the democrats for dreamers not being a fix. Hes the one who singlehandedly did it. You have Jeff Sessions in may at the border saying were going to separate you from your children if you come to america. Its hard to imagine theres anybody out there, including fans of the president , who believe that who arent clear about where representatively the two parties stand on the general question of immigration, restrictionism and toughness on immigration or having a more liberal attitude towards it. I dont know why the president tries to lay this at the feet of democrats because i dont think his own base believes it. Its just and they dont want to believe it. They want President Trump to be the tough guy that hes that his policies represent. Up next, well bring in New York Times columnist and Pulitzer Prize winning author thomas friedman. Were back in just a moment. You always get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed . M lets get someone to say it with a really low voice. Carl . Lowest price guaranteed. What about the worlds lowest limbo stick . How low can you go . Nice one, carl. Hey ive got an idea. Just say, badda book. Badda boom. Badda book. Badda boom. Nice. 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He says he liked the letter. He says in some ways kim jongun may have met his match here with our very unconventional president , clapper, of course, in 2014 went to north korea on a secret mission and brought back two americans held there. Whats your opinion on where this may go if the summit goes off on june 12. Im hopeful they can get this togeth together. I support the president trying to sit down with the north koreans, the real questions i have, willie, are twofold. Where does china stand on this . I believe there will be a summit if china want there is to be a summi summit. We know the chinese love korea so much they want there to be two of them. Theyve always wanted a buffer state between themselves and the American Military presence in the south and theyd like to see the americans gone so i think where china is on this for me one of the biggest questions and ive always believed the chinese have been treated the trade talks, the north korean talks, ivan ivanka trumps trademarks, theyre one story for them and they play one off against the other depending on how they see this going. I think the second huge question in north korea is doing is what does kim jongun really want . Is he really ready do denuclearize . Hes used that term but we also know theyve sold us that carpet at least twice before. Thirdly, if he is ready to denuclearize, in what time frame . Is it one year, two years, 15 years . Hae has a very, vast Industrial Nuclear complex and so to me is a look at these talks willie to sum up i would say President Trump would be very successful if he came out of these north Korean Nuclear talks with the deal looking very much like the one president obama struck with iran. Richard . Lets talk about iran for a second. Thats the segue i was looking for. Its been several weeks since the administration announced its decision to get out of the nuclear agreement. How do you see things since then playing out . To what extent are you worried about whether its a saudi iranian conflict, israeli iranian conflict, u. S. iranian conflict. How do you see things playing out here . I think the iranians number one goal right now as we sit here today is to see if they can strike a deal with the europeans and therefore isolate the americans. Thats their goal. Can they drive a wedge between the United States and europe by being able to go ahead with the nuclear deal on terms the europeans will be satisfied with and were still in the middle of those negotiations so very, very hard to tell. Ive been for a long time believed that the real Peace Process that you need in the middle east is not between arabs and israelis, israelis and palestinians though it would be great if we had that its between sunnis and shiites. That basically this conflict between sunnis and shiites, persians and arabs is tearing the middle east apart country by country. You see in the lebanon, you see in the syria, you see in the iraq and until they stop fighting over who is the proper heir to the prophet mohammed from 623, the region is going to get torn apart and you really look at whats happened to syria and whats happened to some of its biggest cities, aleppo, homs, hama, and richard, i think you did your ph. D. On the gulf region, who will rebuild these cities today . If this civil war doesnt stop, if we dont help them get beyond this, if we take one side or another this whole region is going to turn into a vast region of disorder. Heidi . Tom, there seems to be bipartisan outrage on capitol hill over the president s attempts to help the Chinese Telecom maker zte. We saw the Senate Banking committee pass an amendment to try and tie his hands in terms of not being able to scale back civil penalties. The house passed out something similar. Is this an area where you think congress should step in and what are the limits of that. Well, thats one of the case i was in china a couple weeks ago, zte was very high on their list of things they want to discuss. A huge Telecom Company that was using our technology basically to sell equipment to iran and north korea. And, you know, it was something they were quite obsessed with. At the same time, whats worried me about trump from the very beginning is i believe hes a chump when it comes to a lot of these issues. I think the chinese have his number. The chinese do believe its easy to win a trade war if youre up against a guy who is ready basically to trade off things he doesnt fully understand. Heidi, i think i was listening earlier when you made the point that this guy decided to basically allow zte to continue to operate without any expert input, without any National Security meeting. Who in the world does that . How can you possibly understand the nuances of this story. And so im quite concerned. Heres how i see the china situation. For 30 years china has grown into an economic power by lets be fair to them hard work, focus, industriousness. Postponing gratification by its workers. And at the same time by cheating, by stealing American Technology and by not engaging in a reciprocal trade deals. Thats how they got to where they are today, where they dominate tennis shoes, textiles and solar panels. If we allow them to use that same strategy on artificial intelligence, supercomputing, biotechnology, clean energy, driverless cars, the technologies of the future, were going to be in real trouble. So this is a fight worth having, but you have to approach it in a really serious way and you cant be somehow at the back door ill give you this company if you give me this thing on soybeans. This has to be approached in a smart, strategic way. This is a fight worth having but it has to be done intelligently. John heilemann . Hey, tom, last time we were on television together, i asked you for a status update about a column you wrote back in february which i believe may still be the most read thing youve ever written on the New York Times site where you talked about the piece that ended with the kicker, the biggest threat to the integrity of our democracy today is in the oval office speaking of President Trump and in that piece you talked about how he seemed ready to undermine our most important institutions, the fbi and the Justice Department to keep his compromised status hidden. You said then, this is code red. So now were almost four months later. What code are we at now . John, im writing code red two for this wednesday because i think were in an even more dangerous situation. These midterms are soon to be upon us and i have one piece of advice for people. You have to vote for a democrat because and i say that as someone who i have very conservative issues on a lot of things, im pro business. But the fact is the worst democrat running if the congress are the senate. Today is better than the best republican because the best republicans except those who are tragically dying or retiring simply wont stand up to this man. And if you see the norms he is violating, the way he is trashing our most cherished institutions, things like the fbi, the Justice Department, the spreading of conspiracy theories from the bully pulpit of the white house, that is a threat to the fabric of our society and fabric of our democracy. So im approaching this election coming up unlike any other election. Its not about i care about these issues but for me its not about gun control or abortion or high taxes or low taxes its about whether we can get a lever of power that can restrain this man for the next two years because the man sitting in the oval office today is the greatest threat to our democracy. And i will just add one other thing which people need to remember, we have not had a crisis yet. Weve not had a real crisis except a crises donald trump has created. Wait until we have a real crisis and you have a president who cannot be believed sitting in the oval office. Then you will really see the true impact of all of this lying, all of this undermining of institutions. Couldnt agree more with everything you just said and how grave it really is. I withink it will take a democr, though, who understand that it was a democrat who got us here, because they didnt live up to their ideals. But how do we get to our place where our democracy and the fragile beauty of it is respected of it again . Joes latest column for the Washington Post is entitled democrats may be in for a surprise in 2018 and he writes in part this. For much of trumps rein over republicans, Party Members got little more from their dance with the donald than a Supreme Court appointment but as trump karines toward his first midterm test in november democrats should understand that they are in for a fight. The blundering billionaire has actually begun to fill his political trophy case with victories sure to inspire the conservative base. Their talking point cans include massive tax cuts, a bigger military budget, regulatory reform, other wedge issue winners include the planned withdrawal from the paris climate accords, scrapping of the iran nuclear deal, undermining obamacare. Add to that the mocking of Political Correctness and identity politics and you have a platform sure to inspire the activists who drive todays Republican Party. Unless democrats find their voice and an alternative to trumps bleak agenda, his pathetic populist this stishtic the trick this year. I dont think leaders on both sides of the aisle have been perfect and thats why were he here. Some things are true even if donald trump believes them and there are several things that are true that democrats have to wrestle request and where trump takes them in a negative direction, they have to take them a positive and constructive direction. My list would include we do have a trade issue with china. We do we cannot take every immigrant in a world that is splitting between a world of order and disorder where basically Everyone Wants to get out of the world of disorder into the world of order. We do have issues with the muslim world that have to be resolved constructively. Political correctness on College Campuses is out of control. People want a president who will grow the pie not just shrink the pie and people want to feel comfortable expressing patriotism and love of country in an age of globalization where National Identities are getting washed out. That would be the beginning of my list that democrats better take seriously. Connect with people on these kind of gut issues but where trump takes them in a negative direction, take them a constructive direction. Thomas friedman, thank you very much. Good to have you on the show this morning. Pleasure, always. And still ahead, among the six tweets from the president so far this morning theres one suggesting that democrats rather than russia will be meddling in the upcoming midterms. Well bring in clint watts who literally wrote the book on Cyber Espionage and social media. He joins us coming up on morning joe. As a control enthusiast, im allbusiness when i travel. Even when i travel. For leisure. So i go national, where i can choose any available upgrade in the aisle without starting any conversations or paying any upcharges. What can i say . Control suits me. Go national. Go like a pro. Are you one sneeze away from being voted out of the carpool . Try zyrtec®. Its starts working hard at hour one. And works twice as hard when you take it again the next day. 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He was also given a gold medal and an offer of a job with the paris fire department. The child sustained minor injuries and is expected to recover. The fathers being investigated for leaving him unattended. The paris Prosecutor Says the father had taken a long time to return home because he decided to play oh, my gosh, the smart phone game pokemon go. Okay. Whatever. But that guy is amazing. Really is. They treated him for shock as well as the child after how did he do that . Well, there is the courage to start with. Your instirvegt is to go. And to think that you could do that. And physical strength to do four more pullups than i can do at this point in my life. Incredible act of courage and physical strength. How the kid is even hanging there is my question. If he fell already one floor, how did he then stop at that next floor . Thank god he did and thank god for that man for what he did and good job by president macron for recognizing it. Unbelievable. Now we talked about sports and baseball. Now were going to talk about european football. So my liverpool squad got to the let me see that again. Got to the finals. Are you kidding . Yeah. In the 61st, 62nd minute. And does this extraordinary scissor kick. It was the goalie was so surprised there he didnt no he what to do. It has to be considered one of the best goals. What . Thats really good. Can you believe that . No. So anyway that, was the most extraordinary goalie think weve seen in Champions League play. Liverpool unfortunately gave up the two worst goals ive ever seen in their Champions League play. There were a couple of horrific mistakes, rolling the ball right in front of real madrid striker who put in the back of the goal and then just completely missed on another. I will say liverpool fans though were extraordinarily generous to him. All right. Still ahead, the president i still havent gotten over it. Your generously broken hearted. Im generous but broken hearted. They went much further than anybody expected. Since weve done every sport, we have to ad hoccy. The Vegas Golden Knights are three wins away from winning the stanley cup in the first year of existence which is an impossible feat to imagine. Can you believe . You need to watch the highlights. 100 . See you for game two . Go bet on them. Thats incredible. That story easily, easily rival whats you did, of course, in 1988 at the masters. It gets lost. It gets lost. Okay. Done. Me and then you and you have to wear the green jacket in one day. I should. You actually never played golf until two years before that. I played a lot of puttputt. And it serveded me we me well. All right, idiots. The scandal right after sort of casted a pal on that victory. Thats you didnt get any endorsements deal. The beginning of the steroid era in golf in 1988. All right. Time to be quiet. Nobody could see me coming. The green jacket had to be really time to be quiet. They had to take the seams out. Good look. Still ahead, the president uses memory of Fallen Service members to tout his own economic accomplishments. Plus, his daughter wins new china trade marks just days before her fathers pledge to save chinese jobs. Well take a closer look at that, what appears to be possibly some would say a conflict of interest. Some would say. Well be right back. It can grow out of control, disrupting business and taking on a life of its own. Its multicloud complexity creating friction. And slowing innovation. With softwaredefined solutions, like hpe onesphere, you can tame the it monster. Hewlett packard enterprise. Clouds, apps, and insights faster. Why is dark magic so spellbindingly good . Its a bold blend of coffee with rich flavors of uganda, sumatra, colombia and other parts of south america. Like these mountains, each amazing on their own. But together . Magical. All, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. Green mountain Coffee Roasters. Does it look like im done . Yet . Shouldnt you be at work . 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This is something that the guy did obviously wasnt bound to the truth while he was working day in and day out and there were not great consequences. But, you know, john, you look at this story and you look at his presidency. And it really is. Hes brought conspiracy theories, plots during the campaign, of course. Ted cruzs father killed jfk. Can you go on and on and on. I mean its part what makes following this presidency so dizzying but also what actually republicans should be far more concerned about than even bill clinton saying he didnt know what the meaning of is is. I dont know what the meaning of is is super sized a billion times. I think there has been at various times trump is tracted to conspiracy theories. There is obviously much more looseness with the trooj auth ae lies. The obsession with conspiracy theories and tall tales dates back for a long time. I think the point right now though is that hes using them to a particular kind of political effect and there was a fair amount of people starting to Pay Attention to the fact that as trump pounds home the conspiracy theories, hes doing something tactical and doing it to some effect. He is starting to drive republican faith and the Mueller Investigation in particular down and turning it into a partisan issue and that works to his advantage in the long run. Yeah. And thats what lesley stahl said. He basically admitted to heshgs her, i attack the press and when you write something negative about me, people are less likely to believe me. The foundation of the political career is birtherism. That is the biggest conspiracy theory. He got traction with. That his profile was raised by that and eventually drove him to run for president of the United States. So hes leaned on these conspiracy theories since the beginning of his political life. Yeah. And then you mix that and you talk about the swamp. You mix in all the lies which he says he does on purpose to throw off the public from the press. And then, you know, talk about the swampiest swamp of all, look what is happening in china right now where you have a Technology Company that both republicans and democrats say are posing a grave threat to Americas National security, richard. And he has promised to keep them alive right after, of course, he gets 500 million from china to indonesian resorts associated with his own. And what mika is about to talk about, the lead story which is also, you know, an exchange for family members getting sweetheart business deals. There is no evidence, should we say of explicit quid pro quos. But the fact that were having this conversation tells you that anyone that works at the white house put them in a situation where conversations tlik arise. Thats the reason. If you pardon the expression, you have chinese walls. And you build all sorts of barriers against what could be seen as the appearance of conflict of interest. And instead, there is simply zero sensitivity to it. I cant sit here and say that there are deals. But again, the fact that there could be and were having the conversation unbelievable. If trump tweets out one day that hes worried about saving chinese jobs and hes going to save a company that actually democrats and republicans alike say china is a grave risk. Hes not just tweeting them. He is tweeting it for a reason. We found out actually now two financial reasons. Yeah. Were going to get to that now. The details with ivanka trumps big businesses in addition to being one of the president s Top White House advisors, she was awarded seven new trademarks by china this month from books to housewares to cushions. The trade marks came around the same time President Trump vowed to find a way to prevent Chinese Telecommunications zte from going bust. The Washington Post reports that six days before the announcement, china proved five of the ivanka trump trademarks and then on may 21st, the country awarded her two more. He vafr ivanka trump has 34 trademarks in china that allow her to build her brand in the worlds seventh largest economy. Really, im im just a dumb country lawyer. I dont know a whole lot. But i thought feels like it might be inappropriate. I thought i remembered didnt they say they werent going to do any new deals like in Foreign Countries . They werent going to expand in Foreign Countries and new deals . Didnt they Say Something like that . Yeah. There was a tweet during the transition in december of 2016 where the president wrote, no new deals will be done during my term in office. President trump dealing with beijing on issues like security and trade. Family business dealings there raise obvious questions. President trump did not divest from liz businesses but he would limit the work tweeting no new deals will be done during any term in office. The papers he signed a month later limited that to new international business. Here is sherry dylan, the tax lawyer who draflted the president elect Donald Trumps trust documents in early 2017. The trust agreement as directed by President Trump imposes severe restrictions on new deals. No new foreign deals will be made. No new foreign deals. And, yet, john heilemann, one new foreign deal after another new foreign deal and, you know, i would even i think we can even have a debate. If ivanka trump were not in the white house, if ivanka trump were not employed there, if ivanka trump were not sent across the globe in official capacity. I wouldnt have that debate. But okay. But we cannot have that debate. Shes at all. Because, you know, leaders have said they have told reporters off the record they know that the best way to curry favor with the kplacommander in chief withe president of the United States, is to play nice with his daughter. Right. They have said that. Yeah. Repeatedly. And here we go. China giving trade marks that will be worth millions and millions of dollars in the future to ivanka trump into the Fastest Growing market in the world. Its worth its worth millions and millions. And now were seeing donald trump finally deciding hes worried about jobs in china . Yeah. Well, you know, chinese jobs is the centerpiece of the campaign. I dont know if you remember this, the notion of making china great again. No . Maybe not. Look, this discussion i do remember. I do remember instead of make china great again, it is make America Great again on the back of china. Right. Because thach beeyve been sg us for too many years. Bad trade deals and we got walked all over by the chinese. I think weve seen since the trance thags we had a fleeting and sporadic reacquaintance with the notion of the clause in the constitution. There has been, i think, systematic shredding of it and trampling on it over the course of the white house. Every once in a while it comes to the fore in a glaring way. It goes on day by day. Every day at the Trump International hotel in washington, d. C. , where people pour money into trumps pocket to curry favor with the white house. There are a million ways in which theyre benefiting financially from the president in both in the spirit and letter, spirit and the letter of that clause in the constitution. But every once in a while Something Like this happens that is so flagrant that were all forced to focus on it again. You look at it and just say its utterly outrageous. And, again yet, the problem is mika, he is keeping alive a company that theres bipartisan agreement causes a National Security risk the United States of america. I always talk about when bill clinton let the biggest donor to the dnc transfer Missile Technology to china to make a buck. Yeah. Thats what we have here. Except i dont think chelsea got a lot in return for that. But ivanka is. She is treated really harshly over the weekend for pictures she posted. But this seems like such a flagrant conflict that violates everything that whether you go to the white house its what you vow to do. And it appears that shes just working on her brand. President trump on this topic is pushing a deal to keep zte in business. It involves a bigger financial fine against the company and installing u. S. Compliance and new Board Members still is receiving bipartisan criticism. Democratic senator mark warner called it a big mistakes and said in a statement President Trump should listen. He unanimously said that zte poses a National Security threat to the United States. And senator marco rubio called it a great deal for zte and china. China is trying to overtake the United States as the worlds most powerful country. Theyre not doing it by outinnovating us or outcompeting us, theyre doing it by stealing. They steal our property. They force our companies to transfer this stuff over and the only way that were going to stop them is if they face significant consequences for continuing what they are doing. Putting it out of business a company like zte is the kind of significant consequence that china would respond to to understand that were serious. You know, when you hear this, heidi, you wonder what theyre saying more on capitol hill but also what are we mising about this conflict with the president s daughter. This does seem to be a breaking point here in terms of the bipartisan outrage on capitol hill. Given that not only was there not support on capitol hill, there is no interagency process. The president surprised his own aides by doing this. And to the politics of it, i just want to chime in on the deal making aspect of this. Because there were two big selling points that this president had when he was running for office. One was that he was a deal maker. That he could go in and cut good deals for the American People. And the second was that he was running against exactly the essence of this is exactly against this. The essence of the swamp, the pay to play politics with foreign governments. The clinton foundation, for instance. Hillary clinton on this. And then to turn around and be defending a company like zte which has been sanctioned for doing business with iran and north korea is really the essence of what he ran against. But to the point of deal making, is this really a bad deal . If its a good deal for him. And that is the question that we have here. We dont know that there was a quid pro quo. But like joe says, two different potential ways that the president and his family could be benefiting. But the question is, is it a good deal for the American People . And the answer to that appears to be no. According to capitol hill and according to his own aides. Still ahead on morning joe, the the majority of President Trumps tweets about memorial day had nothing to do with our nations military. Well talk about that straight ahead. Thats really difficult to do. But first here is a look at bill karins and the forecast. Theyre more interesting that way. Good morning, everyone. Joe and mika and everyone included, we had a very interesting weekend. We had tornadoes and there is tragic floding that happened in maryland. Still a watch left in alberto. If you want to seat damage that is left over from the maryland floods, look at he will could the city. This happened twice now. Just as bad both times in the last 22 months. All the downtown businesses have been washed out. You have to really feel for the people. Just horrific conditions. Seven inches of rain and a thunderstorm. Thats what happened. And thats why that was the end result. 27 Million People at risk. Additional one to three inches to day. Maybe five inches at most. The higher terrain in the north georgia, mountains of north carolina. We may squeeze out a little more. There are certain areas of oklahoma and also central kansas. We have roughly between five and six Million People at risk of severe storms. Minnesota, a more wind damage for you late this evening. It is still hot in the middle of the country. San antonio near 100. Minneapolis at 95 after being 100 yesterday. For our friends on the west coast, you want great weather sflt rockies is the place to be. And the pacific northwest, just ideal. Temperatures in the 60s and 70s. Low humidity. Areas in the east, its like a swamp in the southeast. Its so humid and going to stay that way much of this week. New york city, weve been bouncing back and forth between the heat of summer and the miserable rain of spring. Today, were back to summer. 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You can tell peggy did not write that one. Peggy didnt write it. He kind of got ten words into the memorial day tweet before turning to the successes of his own administration. That memorial day is one of the most solemn and for me reflective holidays. When you think about from the revolution forward, the people who died and gave their lives for the rest of us. Ure men and women were coming back from vietnam but really understood the errors and their way and so many people everybody. It is something that United States us all. Right. Whether youre against wars, whether youre against some of americas military involvements in the past, all americans come together. And understand and support in a way that makes me proud to be an american. Support the sacrifices of men and women in uniform who give their all. Give their lives. To defend this country. Give their lives. And lets there is another waive looking at it. And its just yesterday past president S Barack Obama wrote we can never truly repay the debt we owe our Fallen Heroes but we can remember them, honor their sacrifice and affirm in our own lives those enjoying ideals of justice, equality and opportunity for which generations of americans have given that last full measure of devotion. Beautiful. George w. Bush wrote this, thinking today of david wright, a marine who died this month and all the brave souls who have given their lives in defense of our country. May we honor them in thought and endeed this memorial day. Bill clinton wrote, remembering, honoring and thanking all who served our great country, memorial day 2018. George h. W. Bush very much regret missing the memorial day parade today in kenny bufrpg port and forever grateful to not only the patriots that made the ultimate sacrifice for our nation but also the gold star families whose heritage is inviewed with their honor and heroism. All right. And i mean that just kbard with the president s, its painful. Yeah. Our president is so embarrassing. Coming up on morning joe, if just scheduling the north korea summit is this complicated, what is going to happen when they start discussing Nuclear Policy . Richard haas weighs in next on morning joe. This is a story about mail and packages. And its also a story about people and while we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget. That your business is our business the United States postal service. Priority you dinner date. Meeting his parents dinner date. Why did i want a crest 3d white smile . So i used crest. Crest 3d white removes. 95 of surface stains in just 3 days. For a whiter smile. That will win them over. Crest. Healthy, beautiful smiles for life. Whoamike and jen doyle . Than i thought. Yeah. Time for medicare, huh. I have no idea how were going to get through this. Follow me. Choosing a plan can be supercomplicated. 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But on the next day on friday, trump tweeted, were having a very productive talks with north korea about reinstating the summit which if it does happen will likely remain in singapore on the same date june 12th and if necessary will be extended beyond that date. Then on saturday, trump had this to say. Try to follow. I just want to mention were doing very well in terms of the summit with flornlg korea. Looks like its going well. I think there is a lot of good will. A lot of people are working on it. Its moving along very nicely. So were looking at june 12th in singapore. That hasnt changed. And its moving along pretty well. So well see what happens. So richard, this appears that well see what happens doctrine. And at least in terms of north korea. Theyre Going Forward as if this meeting is hang. They have all the preenparation you have for a summit meeting. Do you believe this meeting happens . Why is it significant if it doesnt happen . The unnamed nfc staffer is trying to arrange this in ten minutes. So its really look, whether it happens or not is secondary. What mat serz where the United States goes with this issue where north korea goes, where china goes, the summit is an event. Probably a one day affair. There is a real question what is it we try to accomplish if we meet with north korea if, we try to resolve this issue and if we try to be too ambitious, it will fail. If we can take a small bite of the apple. If we meet in singapore on june 12th, and the president and his north korean counter part agree to two working groups. One would try to get some kind of a mini package. We do, you know, maybe lock in the north korean freeze on testing and exchange. They get small things from us. And then there is a big long term agenda. But it may take years to define and decades to implement. Something if they have a meeting and its modest, i think this can get things going on a positive course. If they have a meeting soon and its ambitious, they will essentially fail. Right. Its impossible for a lot of trumps new staffers to get up to speed. I mean, from everything i heard mike pompeo is doing remarkable job. Hes doing the hefty lifting on this. And he is doing a really great job at getting up to speed on this. But, heidi, hes got a new cia director. Hes got a new secretary of state. Hes got a new National Security adviser. Theres a lot of turmoil. He doesnt have his Team Together yet. At least not not in a way that would allow them to properly prepare for this summit. And hes surprised everyone by even calling in the first place for the summit even our own trading partners. And then now plunging forward with this meeting and having folks like secretary pompeo having to kind of fill in all of the blanks. The way that these meetings work and we all know this, is that most everything is agreed to beforehand. And at the summit itself is a foremalt. So to rich arlds point, the question is whether we can find some kind of a middle ground that is going to be acceptable to us. Because, remember, we set the bar for this very high in terms of total denuclearization, in terms of bailing out on the iran deal which told everyone including our partners in this venture that that was not going to be good enough. So what looks like a framework may be hard to reach. In this by our own standards. But i that i is probably the best that we can hope for. Not any kind of a final deal but a framework. So what does that framework look like . Probably a freeze. There is no way that theyre going to agree coming out of this summit to total denuclearization and all of the demands that weve put down. So my question to richard would be what would that framework look like . Well, again, i can imagine a short term framework as you say, heidi. Some kind of a continued freeze on testing. In exchange there can be diplomatic recognition and the formal state of war between the two countries. Maybe certain economic sanctions relief. And then what we can say is if you want more from us, you have to do more. So you essentially have a modest track and ambitious track. After President Trump announced the cancellation of the summit, what happens . The south Korean Leader and the north korea leader start they meet themselves. And it shows that were not alone with this. And the south doreen leader in particular, president moon, he wants and needs this to happen. So were under pressure to have some diplomacy. And, again, i think what the administration, if its smart will go ahead with the summit and it goes soon, it would agree to a modest outcome of this and just set up different tracks. You dont have to try to solve it all in a day. You need to set this in motion. If you want to get ambitious early on, then you have to delay the summit. If you want the summit to be a big deal, then you have to delay it. Coming up, a new book says the internet brought people together and social media is tearing everyone apart. Clint watts dels of into the world of modern warfare from misinformation campaigns to electronic espionage. That is next on morning joe. As a control enthusiast, im allbusiness when i travel. Even when i travel. For leisure. So i go national, where i can choose any available upgrade in the aisle without starting any conversations or paying any upcharges. What can i say . Control suits me. Go national. Go like a pro. Welcome to holiday inn thank you wait, i have something for you every stay is a special stay at holiday inn. Save up to 15 when you book early at hollidayinn. Com dinner date. Meeting his parents dinner date. Save up to 15 why did i want a crest 3dk early white smile . So i used crest. Crest 3d white removes. 95 of surface stains in just 3 days. For a whiter smile. That will win them over. Crest. 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The 13 angry democrats plus people who worked eight years for obama working on the rigged russia witchunt will be meddling with the midterm elections especially now that republicans stay tough are taking the lead in polls. There was no collusion except by the democrats. Wow. The president continues, why arent the 13 angry and heavily conflicting democrats investigating the totally Crooked Campaign of totally crooked Hillary Clinton . Its a rigged witchunt. Thats why i ask them if they enjoyed her after election celebration and he concluded, for now with this. Sorry. Ive got to start focusing my energy on north korea nuclear. Bad trade deals, va choice, the economy, rebuilding the military, and so much more and not on the rigged russia witchunt that should be investigating clinton russia fbi Justice Obama slush comey lync et cetera. Hes not well. My god. Thats a disturbed un sorry, i have to focus on this. We have to move on. Joining us now, former fib special agent clint watts. His new book, messing with the enemy surviving in a social media world of hackers, terrorists, russians, and fake news is out today. Good timing, clint. Also with us, White House Correspondent for pbs news hour. Good to have you all onboard. Clint, g clint, i guess respond to the president s tweets. Its fascinating. No one is more successful at reframing stories with a complete fiction and then also getting an entire audience to buy into it. And its really fascinating, i think, this morning they were talking, you know, about one of the accounts where they have a diagram of how the democrats orchestrated their collusion today down the president , to create a dossier. Through all the research ive done over the last ten years, you know, at first it was terrorists. Then it is the russian information and now americans that are using social media to create their own preferenced world which is not real. Its an alternative. If you look at the facts, this witch hunt that hes talking about has garnered what, 19 indictments and several guilty pleas. So even if he took great issue with the impact on his personal win, isnt there a concern that he should have as president of the United States for the security of our elections . Absolutely. It is incredible we have gone through this and never have i heard the white house whether its on twitter say how do we make sure that a foreign country doesnt come and knock us down again like this just happened . And its consumed our politics. Its right. It consumed our politics, mostly due to his own discussion of it. But it consumed our congress. It consumed our national debate. And its left us divided which is exactly what it was designed to do. And if this impacts our National Security on so many levels which i well get to. That i want to ask you who these 13 angry democrats are. I think the angry democrats are the people that i dont i wouldnt say that 13 angry democrats that hes referring to are the people that are working on the russia investigation. I caution that by saying im not calling them 13 angry democrats but rather that thats what hes trying to say. Essentially wl essentially what the president is doing after the calling the media the enemy of the people, hes saying that democrats are the enemy of american voters. Hes doing this because he realizes as do a lot of the sources ive talked to that the midterm elections are going to also be places were going to see meddling and social media hacks and russia looking at different candidates and trying to find weak spots like they did in the 2016 elections. So the president knows these things are coming. And as a result, hes already kind of putting one foot forward and saying the democrats are going to be the ones to blame here. Thats a very powerful statement to make. Were going to have conversations and segments about that was a weird election thing happening in pennsylvania or there is this weird thing that happened in california. There are these facebook groups. Thats going to happen in the 2018 mid terms. Mainly because facebook and twitter and all the social Media Companies have not wrapped their heads around how to protect elections and how to protect people, social media from really infiltrating from a foreign country. Because they havent figureded that out yet, there is going to be someone to blame and President Trump is out there trying to blame the democrats. Were going to really the real blame is going to be on a foreign country. And all this is exactly what clints book explains. Clint writes in the book, in rt pa, the internet brought people together but today social media is tearing everyone art pa. The quest to pull back the curtain pushed social media users to fall back on biases, believe the impossible. Overlook the obvious and turn on their friends, family and fellow citizens. None of this compares with what putins propaganda people have been able to achieve in such a short time. A system of mind manipulation that authoritarians now duplicate and if left unchecked it will be adopted by politicians everywhere to overwlel am democratic audiences with waves of conflicting information, fake news designed to manipulate audiences for a hidden puppet master. The formula for a social immediate media count arerattacs out there. We need to defeat it one tweet, post, other share at a time. This is the new way that leaders will communicate. They will create an argument and create policy, facts be damned in many cases. So what is that attack youre talking about . That counter attack that youre talking about to fix this problem . The best position for this are those that can aggregate all your data across all platforms and minor preferences through machine learning. So those were talking about oligarchs, extreme wealthy, Political Campaigns, activist groups. And so we have to understand who those hidden puppet masters are. What theyre trying to do is not only pick the voters but theyre picking the candidates and the messages. If you look at really what steve bannon kind of did in his ark trek tour is he meshed all of those together. And so the way to combat that is to get back to fact and fiction. Ive always pushed that information Consumer Reports which appears in your social media feed or your internet search engine. Tells you fact versus fiction. You know, over time for a news outlet. And also opinion versus reporting. The consumer doesnt really know what theyre going to in social media which is why they can fall for it. But the president has so successfully in many ways undermind the very sources that would provide that fact versus fiction. In other words, if nbc news says this is a fact and this is fiction or the New York Times says this is a fact or this is fiction, and it works against President Trump or whoever the next leader is, President Trump can come out and say well, of course they would say that. Theyre out to get me. I said that time and again. Right wlachlt is fascinating though is in the social media world, President Trumps twitter account was able to block people. Thats extremely important. If you want to keep your nation secure because rebuttal cannot be seen. So thats insulating. Sometimes people think oh, im getting to the president thats why he blocked me. No, hes blocking you because he doesnt want you to chip away at the base of information support. That is changing recently. I think thats a good opportunity. Isnt the problem also that there are obviously those who care about fact versus fiction, right and wrong. But isnt there a lot at this point of great part of the country that might even not care . Yes. You know, that, hey, you no he what . Everyone Hillary Clinton did it. So who cares . Who dares that hes lying . Thats right. And ill give you an example from a totally different world which is the world of terrorism. This phenomenon happened actually with al qaeda and the lays ammic state. Thats where i started the book. You saw a social media powered populism overtake al qaeda. And people actually believe that going to the Islamic State this physical territory would be a utopia and as refugees were streaming out of syria and iraq, you had people going in to join the Islamic State. Wunts th once they got there, they realized it was a false prophecy. I think that has to happen in politics as well. Im not saying theyre like terrorists, you have to go and experience that and realize i bought into something that is a false good. Ultimately, you have to make people not martyrs but not villians. Show them for what they are. And i think that time will come in the next one to two years. Let me ask you a very basic question that has real sail y s yans. I keep reading about the incredible advances in in these technology thats allow people to create fake video where video can look just like you or just like me or just like willie and doing something wrong, something scandalous or controversial and people say you look at those things very hard to tell whether theyre real or not. How close are we to that becoming a plague in social media on the internet . Is that something thats going to be a 2018 phenomenon or is that something we interehave to with in 2020 . Its already there. I always remind people every time they think people wont fall for something, somebody is falling for it. I mean thats what i saw with the russia information. I would see it and say no one is falling for this. If you look back at the ads, no one fell for it. 20,000 people might have feud viewed th viewed that. That is going to grow over time both because it will get better but also because it will be harder to tell. And so i think in terms of technologies and preventions, social Media Companies are very worried about it and how they police that. There is some talk about block chain and time stamps being a way to awe thenuthenticate. But we tend to trail with the solutions once this gets out of hand. The book, messing with the enmany i is on sale today. Congratulations clint watts. Stay with us. Up next, today is the day that starbucks across the country close early to train its employees on racial sensitivity. The reverend al sharpton spoke to the companys ceo and he joins us next. Heres the story of Green Mountain Coffee Roasters sumatra reserve. Lets go to sumatra. The coffee here is amazing. Because the volcanic soil is amazing. So we give farmers like win more plants. 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Joining us now, host of msnbcs politics nation, president of the National Action network, reverend al sharpton who caught up with starbucks Ceo Kevin Johnson in seattle on friday, ahead of the premiere of tonights msnbc special on race in america. Take a look. Were in age of such polarization and racial antipathy, what do corporation, who makes money from the public, who enjoy abatements from local municipalities, whatever it is, how do they stand up and be responsible towards this issue of racism . Ill share my own journey and perspective on this. I would acknowledge this happens in america. Race and racial bias is something americas been dealing with for centuries. Its too easy to be on the side lines and say someone else needs to do something about it. Youre going to show us a lot more later of that conversation. How did you leave the interview . I went to seattle because i was very interested on whether this was just damage control. Right, pr. Or whether they really wanted to start a new conversation. I think the town hall that were doing tonight will delve in deeper, because i really think weve not seen what the private sector is going to do about racial discrimination. Youve had two incidents at two waffle houses at two different parts in the country. One in alabama, the other in north carolina. Waffle house is taking the opposite view. We support our managers. We support police. So i think starbucks took a step in the right direction. The question is where do we go from here and is it a feel good day that goes nowhere and i wanted to challenge that. They assured me theyre willing to engage the community, do business with black entrepreneurs and really try to lead the corporate word in a balanced way. I think we also need to deal with the Law Enforcement angle here which is outside of the private sector. Lets not forget, starbucks didnt arrest the guys, Law Enforcement did. Starbucks didnt drag the clemens lady in waffle house, Law Enforcement did. So i think the private sector has once responsibility because weve got to deal with Law Enforcement in this age of trump and sessions, which is going to be a lot more difficult. Yes, it is. So why do we continue to have problems with Law Enforcement in these areas when many times youll see videos and there will be hispanics, black officers, so its not bull conner in alabama in 1963. A lot of times its, you know, these tragedies come with cops with hispanic names or black officers. What how do we address that . I think i think a lot of it, joe, is that people feel and know in Law Enforcement that they can get away with doing things in some communities, including officers that are of color, know that they can get away with doing things to fellow blacks or latinos that they dare not do in another community. Why is that . Because they know that the punishment and accountability is unequal. Let me ask you this. Im asking you this in good faith. Right. So is there unequal treatment in communities where i would live, mika would live, we would live, versus, lets say, a poor white blue collar communities . Do you think it has to do with affluence . Some of it is class. Or strictly race . Some of it is class. And some of it is race. The difference on the race question is you could be rich, black or poor black and youd still have the race problem. But if you white, if youre certain class, youre treated different than the lower class. But some of it is class. And youve got to remember, were dealing in new york right now with the question of marijuana arrests, where theres a disproportionate amount of minorities arrested compared to whites. Why is that . When everybodys equally using. Its unbelievable, the disparity there is incredible. Oh, my gosh, in a huge way. Thats what i love about the special tonight which is looking at, you know, obvious signs of racism, obvious cases of it, but also stories that are being shared where it was misunderstandings and things that are happening where you dont even know youre being racist but it needs to be pointed out by sharing stories. Yamish, jump in. I think theres so much here, the main thing i take away from this is in america were still trying to figure out how to not have a criminalization of africanamerican and brown bodies. So many of these cases are not just about the idea that someone felt empowered enough to call the police and saw that someone of a different race was doing something that felt suspicious. Its the fact that africanamericans when youre walking your kid or when youre napping or barbecuing, people are calling the cops and cops are showing up saying, hey not in all cases, but in some cases, cops are showing up and saying were just trying to do our job and part of that is checking these things out. As soon as you get a tussle and africanamericans asking for equal justice, asking for kind of a due processed on saying, why am i even having to talk to you if im just trying to have my kid walk through the park . Thats when you kind of see cases escalate and cops saying were trying to do whats best for people and black people on the other side saying were tired of even having these conversations. I think its a great start to this ves conversations but it goes back so far that starbucks hopefully, its going to be something that theyre going to continue to talk and not just leave it here with one day. Also what we talk about all the time on the show, jean has talked about before too, i mean, the question is when do fathers, when do black mom and dads, when do they get to send their teenage sons out regardless of how affluent they are, how poor they are, without giving them the talk . If youre pulled over, keep your hands up. Dont move quickly. If you do, you could get shot. Youre certainly not close to it right now but youre right, it is a conversation that africanamerican dads have to have, a lot of us dont have to have. Rev, to your point about this not being a oneday feel good thing, how do you make sure it is productive . How do you make sure it moves the ball forward . One thing working to the advantage of the conversation is starbucks has such reach. Theyre in every city in america, certainly around the world as well. What do you do so people dont just tune this out after tonight . I think they have to help to change the culture and level of accountability. I cannot all my life since i was a teenager ive been in civil rights and part of that has been corporate accountability. You cant make people love you. Thats not the goal. What you can hold people accountable where they cant harm you or cut off your opportunity and not suffer some penalty for it. Its the lack of accountability. Where people are getting away with doing things that are egregious. You can hate me, but you should not be able to use that hate in a way that would harm me without being held accountable. Its Perfect Timing for tonights special msnbc town hall, everyday racism in america. Its hosted by joy reid and chris hayes. Tonight at 9 00 p. M. Eastern time. You can learn more at nbcnews. Com everydayracism. Surviving in a social work of hackers, terrorists, russians and fake news. Very excited about this. When people read this book, whats the big takeaway you want them to have . Why do you get on social media if it makes you miserable . Evaluate why you do this. Because there are benefits to it. Its just like everything in life, if you do too much of it, its not good for you. You know, watch your usage. The big thing is the more time you spend in the virtual world, the less connected you are in the physical world. Thats the biggest challenge for our country right now, were connected with people in other countries more than our neighbors. By the way, im going to announce it right here, im dead serious, im going to a flip phone. All right. Thats going to be interesting. Five people will have the number. Awesome, can i have it . No. All right, thats it. Going to shave my head, you know . Oh, my god. Thats the way to go. It looks good on you. The show is over now. Is it over . That does it for us this morning. Stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. Thank you, mika, breaking news, joe is going to a flip phone. Good morning, everyone, im stephanie ruhle, with a lot to cover today. Starting with forging ahead. A top north korean official heads to the United States for talks as the president works to get the upcoming summit back on track. I hope that we will see President Trump end up proving himself to be a deal maker, not a deal breaker. And closed for business. Starbucks set to shut down more than 8,000 Stores Across the country today for racial bias