Transcripts For MSNBCW Morning Joe 20171117

Welcome to morning joe. Its to have 17th. Joe is on assignment this morning. With us we have National Analyst for msnbc john heilemann. Donny deutsche is here and republican strategist and political competenttator what . Viewers want to know why you do that . Because you are reprehensible in some ways. I like to feel it when i say it. What are the ways im reprehensive . The question is, in what ways are you not reprehensive. Within are you donny and its fun. Tell the people, its fun, its not true hatred. I know. Disgust, repulsive. We need to analyze. Susan dell vdell persio is here and host of casey d. C. , the rock casey hunt on msnbc. I love i. Very god, willie, well done. Thank you for doing that. Wolfman. That was good. I was expecting it from heilemann, im confused. I knew he would step up. There is so much to start with. Lets start with the Alabama Senate race which will go on as manned december 12th. The governor saying yesterday she will not move the day election. It means the republican nominee roy moore has a little over three weeks to make up ground on democrat doug jones, if the new fox news poll is accurate t. Poll shows jones leading moore by 8 points among likely voters in the state. 78 of republican likely voters say they would vote for moore, while 13 say theyd vote for jones. Jones is doing considerably well among women voters. 58 of women said they will vote for jones. Only 32 say theyd vote for moore. Also, 69 of women voters under 45 and 51 of women over 45 said they will back jones in next months election. When likely voters were asked ability moral character. 56 said jones had a strong moral character. 41 said roy moore and 40 said Luther Strange had strong moral character. Yesterday White House Press secretary Sarah Huckaby sanders said that President Trump found the allegations troubling but repeatedly said trump would leave the decision to support moore up to alabama voters. The president believes that these allegation are very troubling and should be taken seriously. He thinks that the people of alabama should 345ik i make the decision on who their should make the decision on who their next senator should be. Thats the decision the people of bam pam need to make. Not the president. These are something that should be taken very seriously and the people of alabama should be the ones to make the decision on whether or not to support roy moore t. President supported the decision by the rnc to withdraw resource from this race but feels its up to the people of alabama to make the decision. As i said, the president said this is a decision for the people of alabama to make, not one for him to make. And, of course, President Trump left on twitter quickly to go after al franken. We will talk about that in a moment, still has not personally spoken about roy moore. Covering the race, msnbcs vaughan hilliard. Vaughan, this is a regular thing we are doing every morning. We have a fnew poll out. Roy moores hardened supporters are sticking by his side. What does it look like on the ground . Reporter willie, i think we need to be clear and look at the race. This is day number nine since those allegations came out t. First ones in the Washington Post. I think it needs to be repeated over and over now that roy moore is running a campaign that is not focused on politics and is not focused on issues, but focused on delegitimizing thiin avations about these issues. They say he has not been asked. And roy moore has not answered the semple question, have you ever touched, killsed or dated a teenage girl . He was again asked yesterday at a press conference up in birmingham, where there is about 20 faith leaders that came up and spoke on his defense as well as what were they doing . Delegitimizing women and talking about issues like gay terrorists and those that partake in it. They mentioned one speaker mentioned ungodly republicans like john mccain and mitt romney. Once roy moore bought the to the microphone. He spoke about 60 seconds and said this is all untrue and were here to take down Mitch Mcconnell. When it came down to the questions, its about these allegations, what did he do . He walked down the hallway, refusing to answer. This is a man now running a campaign. He saet it up. Its us versus the forces of evil. This is what the alabama voters are having to decide. Whether the man is the roy moore they believe to be or will they side with Mitch Mcconnell tope swamp the voices of evil. So as you point out they dont believe the allegations are true because they consider the source. They come from the liberal media and the washington establishm t establishment. Given the construct theyve put out there. What has been the reaction to the press at his events . Has his supporters reacted to you . Have some of the pastors commented to you . Reporter the pastors yesterday were particularly upset with the line of questioning that took place after. When it comes down to the supporters, i was with them at this church two nights ago, it was interesting the response afterwards, people were saying thank you for coming. Most people we talked to, these were staunch republicans, acknowledging they dont know the facts of the situation. They say they want to believe the roy moore theyve phone since the 70s and 80s. One woman is praying about it. She having a difficult time. She doesnt know if she will go to the polls. These were nine women with specific accounts that are spread out across the state. Many are in their 50s and 60s that go back with very specific allegations that he has not directly refuted, besides painting that wide stroke of them not being true. I say its been nine days since hes had that opportunity, willie. This is a man who has 27 days left unwilling to answer those specifics. Vaughan, thanks, so much. Donny, there is a Jeremy Peters piece in the New York Times, it reads, there was a time when the question to disown a candidate accused of sexually abusing a 14yearold girl was fairly straight forward. We are living in a parallel universe, again for the people that support roy moore, its not about these accusations, they dont believe the accusations due, to the source. They believe theyre democratic operatives, these women or pushed out there by democratic operatives and the establishment. This is protecting the tribe at all costs, even if it means questioning the veracity of stories put forth by a large number of women. The source is not the post t. Source is nine women, some of the vote worries have fought voted for trump, not political. Who have nothing to lose, Everything Everything to lose, nothing to gain. I dont know if they painted these men and women of faith literally coming on and calling the communist democrats and the evil left wing. This is a man accused by nine women of underage po leftation. Underage molestation. Its stunning, its frightening. Where are with e . Where have we come . We are in strange times. To contextualize this party. We used to be a party that protected the weak. Protected children. Are we going to try to protect the environment with the e, protect consumers with regulation, try and protect elephants from being slaughtered. Every evil thing you can be doing. Every bad guy, good guy. You watch the goose stepping in south korea, in north korea, those are the bad guys. I was watches yesterday, these people, were becoming the bad guys. And all i ask is the people of alabama find out who you are. The people will brand you the party of the pedophile. So are we here, susan, though, to broaden the conversation and to be as honest as possible. I think its really hard these days to have an honest conversation about sexual ha ralsment, no matter what you say, and im finding myself in a lot of private conversations with people on both sides of this and it is a mind field. I will say, didnt this start long before even bill clinton but i will say it was with bill clinton in many ways who can i say sexually harassed an intern in the white house . According to kristen guild brand the senator from new york can you say that this is on the record. This isnt roy moore in alabama places where republicans are. This has been happening for decades, its been accepted as a norm. These are underage children, though, its all horrible. These are under aged children we are talking about. Absolutely. We can draw that line for sure. That would be a crime on every level. But arent we here because norms have been accepted that have been beyond the pale for a very long time . We are. We are also at an interesting point. Now these women came forward and guess what, every woman thats coming forward the presumption is we believe them. It didnt used to be. It never was that way. Listening to especially the al franken comments, more of the work place kind of Sexual Harassment versus the molestation comments or concerned. How many pats on the bum did i get or colleague, how many times did we hear, stay away from this one . It was a matter of a little survival. Its not necessarily im making a me too comment. It was just the way it was send and no one wanted to rock the boat. I think we are still going to see issues in washington, especially women are scared to come forward, because there are so many other implications. You dont want to be the one to take down your party, for example. I think so. Women are feeling safe now. And that is probably one of the more significant things that were seeing. If it goes in the right direction and if this continues to be an honest conversation to this next story now, al franken, where yesterday morning a radio news anchor accused the democratic senator of force ply kissing and groping her, we got a tip that the story was about to break from roger stone, the former Campaign Adviser to donald trump. Although hes banned from twitter. Its al frankens time in the barrel. Franken next in a long list of democrats to be accused of grabby behavior. How did he know that . That was posted around 1 00 a. M. Hours before the franken allegations broke. How did he know that . We have much more on that coincidence to this story in just a moment. But first the accusation. Lee anne tweeden says it happened in 2006 during a rehearsal on tour overseas with the uso. He just smashed his lips against my face. He stuck his tongue in my mouth so fast and all i can remember is that his lips were really wet and it was slimy. I remember i pushed him off with my hands and i just remember i almost punched him. Because every time i see him now my hands clinch into fists. Im sure thats probably why. I said if you ever do that to me again,ly not be so nice about it the second time and i just walked out away from him and i walked out and i just wanted to find a bathroom and i just wanted to rinse my mouth out. Tweeden then released this photograph yesterday showing franken grabbing her in the chest while she slept. Initially franken released a short statement saying he remembers the rehearsal differently. Zplmplts. Tweeden said yesterday she accepts senator frankens apology. In a second statement, franken said he would cooperate with an ethics investigation. Thats what Many Democrats called for yesterday. Here now are some other reactions. The statement that al made i think an inappropriate statement. Hes asking for an investigation on himself. And this committee is very, very competent and very food. Sexual harassment is inappropriate in every circumstance in every way, whomever is involved. The behavior is unacceptable. I think the idea of having the Ethics Commission take it up, thats what you have an Ethics Committee for and im happy that he has said, you know, ill cooperate. President trump also weighed in on twitter last night writing, the Al Franken Stein picture is really bad, speaks a thousand words. Where do his hands go in pictures, 2, 3, 4, and 5 and 6 while she sleeps. I dont know, maybe che tell us in the tapes from access hollywood. The leslie stall references a 1995 article about a discussion between saturday night live writers, franken suggests a joke about a scenario where staal is assaulted. He says the joke was never intended to air on television. What are you hearing on the hill . This is a situation where you showed some democrats on camera talking about this for the most part. I would say there were a lot of people that were running away from the cameras, democrats who dont want to talk about this. But i do think that there is a sense that, you know, this is not there is a certain level of your honor surprise i think that the overall Sexual Harassment story reaching capitol hill. We have been talking about this for last weekandahalf. Jackie spear who frankens accuser referenced in her press conference has come forward and said, look, this is a huge problem. She told her own me too story. I think its important to remember, too, susan touched on this earlier in the conversation, there are lot of women who are afraid to name names in the context of capitol hill and politics, because of the its the way the town is. Its a small town, your reputation is everything. They dont want to say anything, theyre afraid theyll never work in politics again. Lee anne tweeden gave voice to that. She said 12 years ago i could never tell this story, i could never work in the town again. She and al franken were working. And she is in a position of power, whose job is not contingent on a future politician deciding to hire her on a staff or for a campaign. She is able to come out and tell this story, i think for every story like this, where somebody is willing to say it, it seems to me dozens of women. I have talked to quite a few of them over the course of the last week or so who have stories to tell and are afraid to tell them. I have to tell you, this is not a partisan problem. That one thing, you saw the president tweeting about this, he said the people of alabama need to make up their minds, hasnt said a word. People quickly take this and make it about the party of whomever is in question. It is not about partisan politics and the bad behavior of men, to a long spectrum and varying degrees. That is why people around washington campaigns are so afraid to say anything is because they know it will get politicized immediately. Whether that will change in light of how clearly we are in a significant cultural moment. So far, its not changing in my conversations. People are still afraid. I think its about the bad behavior of men and the evolving strength of women to own their voices and to feel comfortable talking about something that used to be in the shadows about something 245 that would get them attacked. Now its something that makes them a part of a bigger movement. Something transformational. I think this is a perilous time for this movement that needs to go back in the right direction. Back now to the roger stone part of the story. As we mentioned the former Campaign Adviser is banned from twitter. Yesterday, in an account connected to him, posted roger stone says its al frankens time in the barrel. Franken next in a long list of democrats to be accused of grabby behavior. That was posted hours before the franken allegations broke. Incidentally, time in the barrel is the same language stone used to reference John Podestas leaked emails in the 2016 race before wikileaks released those emails. John heilman, i mean, theres, im just not going to play the game. Whats going on . I have no idea. I dont know. Does it seem strange that he you know, i have no idea. Look, roger stone is a guy with lots of connections in the media. These stories are being pursued across the world of politics. How do you know . The stories are being pursued by a lot of people. A lot of Opposition Research being done . I dont know, i have no answer to the question. I know people plugged into medium politics are hearing a lot of gossip about a lot of people being pursued. I cant speculate on how roger stone may end. I want to ask susan and mika and caseys question, any of this behavior against women is reprehensible and unacceptable. Thats a given. You use the word degrees. This is not partisan. Because this is going to continue to happen. Every guy is going to what in my life did i ever attribute do we have to separate and stop to put degrees, the difference, both reprehensible but degrees of somebody who nine women come forward, molested, underage children, versus someone forced the kiss on a woman. Both bad, please, i dont want letters that in anyway im marginalizing what happened with al franken. But do we have to somehow start to delineate the behavior as we would with bullying or lying or any other bad behavior or versus one person who comes forward, apologizes . Or put nit one bucket . Im asking you guys . Well, theres laws, first of all, from a moral but to talk about the degrees, it also means we have to recognize when women are coming forward, there are often reasons why women wait so long, because of their careers, like in the al franken case or theyre young and the time they grow up older they dont want to put their children through, it sometimes takes time t. Best thing, women come forward, especially if its women period. We are in an amazing moment. I guess what im saying, those degrees are already determined. We know that someone. Right now were in the media, were putting those guys in the same bucket now the same story, men behaving terribly. The public reacts. I think the public absolutely does react different will i to a child molester than to someone who is caught trying to forcibly kiss somebody. I mean. Both bad, because im going to get letters about this. Both are bad. I would argue, what would we make the case of al franken if there wasnt that photo . Would it have been treated the same exact way, he was an elected official, would it have been a part of the work plates place . Thats why i think his first statement is it was a part of a skit, dancing around. But the photo is so damming and you know look at the front page of the tabloids in new york. Its all over the place. That does make a difference when we look at the accused. More importantly how the public reacts to it, i think. Its such a sensitive it is. Its so argument we have to talk about it. Its so hard to talk about. Hold on, casey. Hold that thought. Some conservative voices are pumping the brakes. I think im going to ask you a really tough question before lumping in the allegations against senator franken with those brought against Alabama Senate candidate roy moore. Foxs bret hume tweeted out, franklin has basically admitted what his accuseers said and apologized. A big difference for moore. That in response to a twheet asked hume why he did not seem as eager to declare him guilty as he had with moore. Conservative commenttator Amanda Carpenter tweeted out what does the city Ethics Committee have to investigate about franken . We have the story, the po no and an apology and contributor charlie sax, with all of the republicans pounding al franken to resign because of this story, it really does open up the question of well, then what about donald trump . If we believe all the other women in all the other cases, why do we not believe women who accused him . Its a very good question. And then in the middle of all of this, theres a lot of generational changes happening here, really good for women t. Womens movement has produced incredible results, including this moment, where women are speaking out, are there times, im not going to ask you the question. Im going to stay this, that we have to look at what the goal is here. Whats the goal . What are we trying to do . Because i think the goal is to shine the light on really bad behavior, really perform, really scary moments for women that derail their careers and we need to create an environment where everyone feels safe. Where this behavior is shunned, where its unwelcomed and prevented. So, is the goal to bring people down based on politics or hate . There are cases that are proven where there are subtlements, where there is evidence and the sexual predator has been brought down, Harvey Weinstein, there are cases where the predator flourished and continued to be the president of the United States. Im talking about bill clinton, where the women were attacked, where they were settled with and their lives were ruined, Monica Lewinsky and forever stamped with a scarlet letter. You know, this is what we have been dealing with on both sides of the aisle. Whats the goal . We have a friend of the show who is no longer on this show because of his behavior that he admit itself and he apologizes for al franken apologizes. Im not being ideological or siding with anybody. I believe the women. But what are we doing with these apologies . The ultimate goal, do we accept the first thing and thats what the settlements were originally about, scare people, men into not having the behavior. They end up feeling victimized, their voices were taken away and nondisclosures are a way of victimizing women who do we want . Now were into the next step. We want women to speak out so men know that were going to speak out and they will not behave that way and following that after probably a generation of fear, honestly, is that we see that they simply do not behave like that, because they know its not acceptable. Who is the judge the jury and the cops in all these cases . Because right now, if the story is big enough and flies enough the career is over. Well, i think its not. The judge and jury becomes the american public, what theyre willing to tolerate. What theyre not. Now the fact is, lets not forget, especially when it comes to politic, 51 of this country, women voters. We have a say. We are using, starting to use the voice. And not to get too kind of catchy here. Its about knowing your value, what you have been talking about. Its about saying, its okay. I have the right to be in the work place. Own it, in the moment. In the moment. Thats the goal t. Goal is to signal to men that the boys club is closed. Its over. You cannot do this. You cant get away with it any more. The its a reality, do we bring people down one by one or the ones that want to address their behavior, do we bring them to the table . I think the public has a pretty good sense of where those lines are and will play out. There will be casualties that could happen to willies point. Net, net, nebraska a. New generation of men behaviorally will have a clip in their brain for the right moment in time. Heres the tough question then. Do you worry . Do you know . Do you feel that the way you were around every man. Hold on, the way you were around women 30 years ago is a little different, donny, than the way you are now . A million percent. Exactly. A million percent. So should you be brought down for the way you were 30 years ago, i want to know . Every incident, should i be brought down if i try to kiss a woman . Should my life end if i did that 30 years ago, i hope not. I think everything is contextualized. In my case, a man chasing under age children, everything has to be contextualized and every man i know probably if their entire life was being filmed, not physically forced has done an inappropriate thing in the work place. What is happening now, you talk about enduring those pats on the butt itself. Oh my gosh. I got cupped. The women coming out now and bravely speaking out, things are uncomfortable they had to swallow and live with they are doing it so my daughter doesnt get matted on the butt. I am so grateful people like you are coming out and saying that. My daughter will not endure these comments, those looks, the behavior. And everyones son will be brought up not to do it. Thats equally important. Thats what the goal is. We just want to keep in mind there we will go for a great moment we want, case years hold that thought. We have the Jared Kushner news we want to get to. Susan mentioned the interview senator gillibrand gave. When asked by the New York Times that bill clinton should have resigned after his relationship with Monica Lewinsky was revealed, the new york democrat and i completely agree and i felt this in the moment, said, yes. I think that is the appropriate response. I dont know why women in the white house and in washington did not think that in the moment. Adding quote, thats me, not her, that things have gains today and i think under shows circumstances, i think in light of this conversation, we should have a very different conversation about President Trump, and a very different conversation about allegations against him. Thank you, kiersten gillibrand. She has a longstanding tie with the clinton, once occupys the seat once held by Hillary Clinton. I think the days of tiptoeing around the clintons are over. Im fine with it. Thank goodness bob mueller may be learning a lot more about Michael Flynn and his ties to turkey a. Turkish businessman accused of Money Laundering is cooperating with federal prosecutors. Well have the latest on that. You are watching morning joe. Well be right back. From the moment you decide to move your money to the instant your new retirement account is funded. Oh and at fidelity, youll see how all your investments are working together. Because when you know where you stand, things are just clearer. 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I just, i think the answer to that question is that the most important thing to remember is this is a new context to consider this range of acts and the difference mika said earlier women now feel empowered to speak up. We never really talked about the Monica Lewinsky scandal at the time in the context of work place Power Dynamics and the fact that, you know what do you do to a certain extent when your extraordinarily powerful boss makes a suggestion that perhaps you should enjoy each others time after hours. Do you fear retribution . Its a complicated dynamic. Thats one we are now considering, i think more wildly. I think the reality is, i dont want to compare this to the Supreme Court analogy, its pornography when you see it. Weve all endorsed pats or touching that seems questionable. I think there is also a very clear difference between, you know, making a mistake and there existing and being a pattern of harassment, what lee anne described with al franken, were focused on the photo, on the one incident. Keep in mind, she describes this as a twoweek tour, so this incident occurs. She feels violated. Then she is sitting next to him day after day after day where she feels continually harassed by him. They end the trip with him taking this photograph. Thats a pattern of harassment. I think it clearly scarred her. I think for a lot of us. We have instances of things, we have ignored, laughered off. There are also times where you know the difference and you know, hey, im being harassed over a period of time. Those are the kind of metoo stories we are hearing. Donny, we will see where this franken story evolves, if it evolves. Because the reality is for men who have a repeated pattern and you know potentially, look at Harvey Weinstein, now you look at the pictures of those graphics of how many women endured this, that should matter to us, too. People make mistakes. That hams. Forgiveness is an important i think quall. But serial creation is something that i think the silence allow thad to go on. That seems to be whats fundamentally changing here. Donny. The net, net, knelt, of all of there is, is that we are going through c change as a culture, who we are and how we behave and men entering the work place will be thinking different. Men who have spent their lives in the work place are reflecting. The challenge Going Forward in the work place, ironically, companies are spending billions of dollars to socially lube brick the work place lubricate and putting in massage table itself to make it is, against that back drop, how do sexes behave . It will take a few years to sort this out. It is very paperful for any woman who has had to endure anything. It does. The one thing i think everything thats happening needs to happen. I think the women finally need to be believed. I think the behavior needs to be shined. What i am confathused about is t to do. What is done with these apologies . When someone like al franken completely admits to it. Where do we go from there. Mark halperin admits to it. Wants to go further. But there is nothing happening. Im not siding only, and, by the way, dont send me techs pill la pillageing me for taking sides, im trying to have an honest conversation and women we need to step up. We are strong. We have voices. Lets use them fairly. There are men, there are predators who we have given a pass to who we never should have. Whether its for politics the good of whatever, we never should have and we did. We are now not giving a pass anymore. But what about the men who are coming to the table and talking about what their behavior was about, why they did it, what the timing was, what the environment was who the managers were, who enabled this behavior, who promoted them for it . Who rewarded them for it. This is a conversation that some men are ready to have, are we going to have it . I challenge us. Casey hunt, thank you very much. Coming up, the latest on the investigation into former National Security adviser Michael Flynn and his connections to turkey. We will tell you who is prosecuting with prosecutors. Morning joe will be right back. Bp developed new, industryleading software to monitor Drilling Operations in realtime, so our engineers can solve problems with the most precise data at their fingertips. Because safety is never being satisfied. And always working to be better. The market. Redict but through good times and bad. At t. Rowe price. Weve helped our investors stay confident for over 75 years. Call us or your advisor. T. Rowe price. Invest with confidence. Lets bring in Nbc News National Political reporter carole league. Carole is a part of the reporting team that broke this next story regarding President Trumps former National Security adviser Michael Flynns alleged ties to turkey. Nbc news has learned that 33yearold turkish businessman, a dual turkishiranian national in federal custody in an international Money Laundering case, involving iran and has close ties to turkish president erdogan is now cooperating with federal prosecutors and legal experts tell nbc that the prosecution may be using zarrab to look further into turkey and flynn. It comes on the heels of nbc news report last week that special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating an alleged bribery scheme between the turkish government and flynn and his son Michael Flynn jr. , reportedly set up after last years election. In the deem the flynns would get about 15 million. In return, use their influence to have a muslim cleric living in the u. S. Who erdogan views as his main political rival september back to turkey. In addition to having the charges against zarrab dropped. Erdogan has been pushing to have those charges dropped for a while, reportedly asking Vice President joe biden last year. Careful i carole, give us more of a sense of your reporting here. This is incredible. Reporter yeah, its really significant for a couple of reasons, one is this individuals closeness to president erdogan as you mentioned and we know that Robert Mueller is looking into Michael Flynns ties to turkey. So any information that this individual would have about michael flips ties to turkey, any knowledge of any business dealings that he had, any, you know, ways in which he lobbied, and then secondly, he was allegedly a part of this deal this 15 million deal we reported open last week, where it wasnt just this cleric. It was that returned to turkey, it was in exchange for this 15 million. Michael flynn would help you get this man freed somehow. So the fact that he is cooperating with federal authorities is significant. Its something that president erdogan had been hoping to avoid. He was obsessed with this case in the way hes obsessed with the gulen case and he repeatedly asked u. S. Officials to drop the charges to free this man, who has been in custody for over a year now so we dont know exactly what investigators are learning, but he could be professionally a significant person to get information about Michael Flynn. Carole, try to layout. It seems as though Michael Flynns criminal vulnerability, exposure seems to be growing. He seems to be growing and new fronts are opening up. Talk about muellers game here. Reporter sure. What can bob muler do with that . And where does he take that vulnerability on the flynn side to try to move his, advance this investigation on other fronts . Reporter well, if you look at all the pieces that Robert Mueller has on, in terms of flynn, we know that the investigators have enough to bring charges in the investigation into flynn and his son. If you know that Michael Flynn was not north coming about his contacts with foreign officials, particularly russians. We know he did not disclose certain things on his security clearance, contacts with foreign officials. We know that he did not register as a Foreign Agent with for lobbying, for the benefit of turkey, so there is that piece. Now we learn there is this front looking deep near his ties into turkey and whether or not there was this meeting at the 21 club in december of 2016, where he agreed to use his position inside the white house to benefit a foreign deposit. That is significant. That shows how much pressure Robert Mueller is trying to bring on to Michael Flynn, potentially to flip him to talk about other individuals, whether its the president or, you know the president s son or soninlaw, and then have you the piece of Michael Flynn jr. , which is when you bring a child into this, typically a parent child relationship, if your child is under fire, you might be more inclined to cave and cooperate to help save your child, so there is a number of different ways you can see pressure, Robert Mueller trying to put pleasure e pressure on Michael Flynn. Jared kushner is up against a new deadline, politico reports the chairman and Ranking Member of the Senate Judiciary committee have written a letter asking for missing documents related to russia and wikileaks in 2016. The letters from grassley and feinstein states the production of the documents relate related to the document appears to be incomplete t. Senators st. Other witness versus handed over documents on which kushner was copied but never turned in, himself. They pointed to two xhls, the 2016 email communication to kushner, concerning wikileaks that he forwarded to another Campaign Official and documents quote, russian back door ov overture and dinner invite that he failed to hand over. Kushner responded, quote, we provided the Judiciary Committee with all relevant documents that had to do with mr. Kushners calls, contacts or meetings with respect to the requests. Heres what kushner said outside the white house in july after meeting with staff and senate intel committee. Since the first questions were raised in march, i have been consistent in saying that i was eager to share any information i have with the investigating bodies, and ive done so today. The record and documents i have voluntarily provided will show that all of my actions were proper and occurred in the normal course of events of a very unique campaign. This is not Jared Kushners first time for a doover on documents he was asked to provide. He had to file a number of forms after he failed to disclose a number of assets. He added more than 100 foreign contacts that had been omitted. So, carol lee, this is a pattern not just for Jared Kushner, by the way, but for people who may have forgotten meetings they had with ambassadors of russia, for example, but Jared Kushner keeps having to go back and revise what he gives to these intel committees in terms of contacts with russia and now wikileaks. You can sense some of the frustration, and it was significant that this was the democrat and the republican on this committee sending this letter. You can see, clearly, they have gotten other documents from other people theyve asked for them and are seeing that Jared Kushner left out certain emails, and they would be very significant emails and documents. So theyre basically saying you have ten days, essentially, to come back and provide us with these documents that we know you have. Jared kushners lawyer said, well consider additional requests, but this seemed to be a pattern, and you can see how investigators on the hill are getting increasingly frustrated with that. All right, Nbc News National Political reporter carol lee, thank you very much. Thank you. Coming up, well talk to democratic congressman tim ryan who says he is disgusted by the tax bill passed in the house yesterday. Plus congressman john delaney, the Financial Services committee. Morning joe is coming right back. Were on a mission to show drip coffee drinkers, its time to wake up to keurig. Wakey wakey rise and shine oh my gosh how are you . Well watch this. I pop that in there. Press brew. Thats it. So rich. I love it. Thats why you should be a keurig man fullbodied. Are you sure youre describing the coffee and not me . Coming up, democratic senator al franken accused of groping and forcibly kissing a woman against her will in 2006. Now lawmakers and franken himself are calling for an ethics investigation. Plus new polling shows Senate Candidate roy moore trailing his democratic opponent among likely voters, but moore, among his strongest supporters, remain defiant. And a small win after the house passed its tax reform bill. Now they just have to get some skeptical republican senators on board. Well go live to the white house. Morning joe is coming right back. It all starts with a wish. The lincoln wish list event is here. Sign and drive off in a new lincoln with zero down and a complementary first months payment. What if we could keep more amof what we earn . D. Trillions of dollars going back to taxpayers. Who could possibly be against that . Well, the National Debt is 20 trillion. As we keep adding to it, guess who pays the bill . Him. And her. And her. Congress, we should grow the economy. 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Nana, lets do this aye aye, captain and as you go through life whoo tryin to reach your goal these allegations are very troubling and should be taken seriously, and he thinks that the people of alabama should make the decision on who their next senator should be. Thats also something in a decision that the people of alabama need to make, not the president , whether or not they want roy moore to support them in the senate. But these are something that should be taken very seriously and the people of alabama should be the ones to make the decision on whether or not to support roy moore. The president supported the decision by the rnc to withdraw resources from this race, but feels its up to the people of alabama to make the decision. Look, as ive said, the president believes this is a decision for the people of alabama to make, not one for him to make. President trump finds the allegations against Alabama Senate candidate roy moore troubling, but hell leave the decision about whether to support moore up to alabama voters, as you just heard. How long can Sarah Sanders do that . 27 days . Can she really do that every day . I think shes determined. I think shes just going to keep doing that. But do you think the president can hold back from commenting for 27 days. It will be really hard. His little hands right there, he could just tweet. He was very quick to tweet about the allegations against senator al franken. Welcome back to morning joe. Its friday, november 17. Joe is on assignment. Hell be back on monday. This has been an incredible conversation, a really important one, and ive been on the edge of my seat for an hour because its a difficult conversation to have. And sometimes no matter what you say, it makes someone so angry, but im still glad were having it. With us we have National Affairs analyst for nbc news and msnbc don heilman. Johnny deutsch is with us and he is not reprehensible. Political commentator susan delsosio and politicist gene moore. Alabamas governor kay ivey said yesterday she will not move the date of the election. It means that republican nominee roy moore has a little over three weeks to make ground on candidate doug jones if the poll is accurate. The poll shows jones leading by eight points. 78 unlikely voters say they will vote for moore while 13 said they would vote for jones. 58 of women said they would vote for jones, only 32 said they would vote for moore. Also 69 of women over 45 said they will back jones in next months election. When likely voters were asked about moral character, 56 said jones has a strong moral character, 41 say roy moore does, and 40 say Luther Strange, the man defeated in the republican primary, has more character. If doug jones wins this election, it will be because women turned and voted for him and stepped up and said, were not going to put up with what roy moore has done in the past. But you still have 53 of men saying they will vote for roy moore even given all weve heard and all weve learned about him. The best thing that can happen for the republicans is if doug jones wins. If moore becomes the poster boy for the Republican Party, what they stand for, what they believe, i would be loving to do any campaigns for any democratic candidate and use him as the poster. Some National Republicans said that out loud. They said, i would rather have a democrat hold that seat than have that man in the senate. Almost every republican has said that in private. If you look at next years senate map, the republicans are poised to pick up a couple more seats. We also have to hold onto nevada and arizona. You put roy moore in there, we are changing things were going from 48 52 to to the predator of little kids. John heilman, is it better for the party if roy moore loses . Oh, yeah, for sure. Hes all twoword answers. For sure its better for the party. The Republican Party suffered a lot when todd aiken was around and everybody in the party had to answer for his comments about rape and about consent. This is a situation where democrats will rightly hang roy moore around the Republican Partys neck if he ends up winning this race and ends up at the United States senate. Hes someone who is going to torment the leaders of the party if hes a senator, so hes going to be difficult to work with, hes going to be hes going to do nothing constructive for the party if he wins and hes going to do a huge number of destructive things politically for the party if hes sitting there in the United States senate. I would think that everybody in the Republican Party right now, if they lose this race, and jones ends up as the democratic senator, youre going to run this race again in two years, whoever the republican who runs against jones in 2020 is going to be the favorite in that race because of alabama politics. You can tolerate a democrat for two years. What you cant tolerate is having roy moore represent be a seated United States senator, someone who is a credibly accused pedophile that again, as i say, every republican who is u up for election is going to have to answer the roy moore question over and over again throughout 2018. That is not good for the Republican Party. Again, he is an accused pedophile, and nobody at this table or in the press is the judge, jury or cop in this case, but you have a story that is sourced time and time and time again. There is woman after woman who has spoken out and put her face to the words. There is Background Information that is reported in terms of this man being banned from a mall and calling a school and trying to pick up a girl. This is all information that is out in the public for the public to decide upon, even though the judge, the jury and the cops have not been involved. And thats what makes this dicey, when you get to other stories. Because some of them look a little bit different but involve some of the same issues. Were going to turn now to the al franken story where yesterday morning a radio news anchor accused the democratic senator of forcibly kissing and groping her a decade ago. We actually got an early tip on the story that it was about to break. From roger stone, the former Campaign Adviser to donald trump. Although hes banned from twitter, an account connected to him posted, quote, roger stone says its al frankens time in the barrel. Franken is next in the long list of democrats to be accused of grabby behavior. That was posted around 1 00 a. M. , hours before the franken allegations broke. Incidentally, time in the barrel is the same language stone used to reference John Podestas leaked emails in the 2016 race before wikileaks released those emails. Oh, my lord. Now to the accusation itself. Lu ann tweeden said it happened in 2006 before franken was a senator during a rehearse when they were both on tour overseas with the uso. He just mashed his lips against my face and he stuck his tongue in my mouth so fast. And all i can remember is that his lips were really wet and it was slimy. I pushed him off with my hands, and i almost punched him. Every time i see him now my hands clench into fists, and im sure thats probably why. And i said, if you ever do that to me again, im not going to be so nice about it the second time, and i just walked out away from him and i just topwanted t find a bathroom and rinse my mouth out. Tweeden released this photograph yesterday showing franken grabbing her chest while she slept on that tour. Frank ren released a short statement saying, i remember it differently. I send my sincerest apologies to leeann. As to the photo, it was clearly intended to be funny but wasnt. I shouldnt have done it. He later said, i dont know what was in my head when i took that fi picture, and it doesnt matter. Theres no excuse. I look at it now and i feel disgusted with myself. It isnt funny. Its completely inappropriate. Then franken said he would cooperate with an Ethics Commission. Senator klobuchar said, the Ethics Committee must open an investigation. Senator guillenbrand said i strongly condemn this behavior and the senate Ethics Committee needs to investigate. And senator schumer said, i hope and expect that the Ethics Committee will fully investigate this troubling incident. The allegations are horrible and he admits to it. I want to know what happened and why. President trump weighed in on twitter last night, writing, the Al Frankenstein picture is really bad. It speaks a thousand words. Where do his hands go in pictures 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 while she sleeps . The president s comment about leslie stahl appears to address a discussion about franken writers where franken suggests a joke of a scenario where stahl is assaulted. Franken said, the extremely dark joke was never intended to air on television. I want to talk about trumps reaction. Heres what i think is going to be fascinated to watch. Obvious obviously countless women came forward with alleges about trump before he was elected. The same way rose gauer and ashley judd have come out, and i wonder if women will say, you know what . Im not afraid. Look at papers and look at twitter and look at the wire feed, and its not only the big celebrated cases about people who are famous across the country that we talk about here, but everywhere in the country on lower levels of state legislatures everywhere, this is coming out. So i do think that, assuming there are other women who have something to say about President Trump, i think theyll come out. And there is a change in the environment. Look at the way donald trump attacked his accusers when he was running for president. He hasnt yet attacked the accusers against roy moore which shows he is actually concerned about something because this is not a man who generally holds his twitter thumbs, if you will. Yeah. So i think coming out in this environment, if there are women to come out, just like there may be more women to come out again to al franken. Unfortunately, i think were in an environment that at the end of this year, we may hear about two or three other highpowered Business Executives or elected officials that this is going to break. What time is it . Exactly. We were having a very delicate conversation the first hour about all men. Just about every man i know has to look in the mirror and at different moments in time have asked women out. 50 of this country has had relationships in the workplace. Where is the line . How do we start the Harvey Weinsteins, the animals, the beasts, the pedophiles versus misbehavior in the workplace. You all grew up in newsrooms. It was a different time when i started in news. I dont think this is rocket science. There are some things that are clearly beyond the pale. You dont touch people without their consent. You dont kiss people uninvited in that sort of way. And i dont think that was like that complicated back then. I think we should have known. And there was a certain you know, in your work setting, but certainly in work settings a newspaper i worked at before the post and early days at the post, there were men who would say things that we would now consider wildly inappropriate. But in todays context okay, we would say that was not good, but we would put it in the prior context. And there are some things we just the context hasnt changed, right . So i think we can make those distinctions. We just have to get the stories out and we have to talk about it, and its a difficult conversation for some people. There are people we really love and respect who will be in that scenario. It doesnt have to be touching or even a comment. It can be implied that someone who is above you or someone who perhaps can help your career says, lets go grab a drink, is this a woman might say to herself, you know what . Maybe its in my best interest to go have that drink and who knows where that leads. Ne in other words, its not like the old times, let me grab your butt in the office, but if someone asks you out, you may be coerced in some way because if i dont go have that drink, ill be shunned. Its abuse of power. At the same time, colleagues go out and have drinks. Thats what i mean, its a very complicated thing. It is complicated, but you kind of know when you feel if youre being set up or not. If you are, you take appropriate actions whether youre a man or a woman. Lets face it, in the workplace now, you see more men and women. When we go back in context if you talk about 30 years ago versus today, there are a lot of women who are peers with men, not necessarily the secretarial role or the odd woman who is kind of climbing up the ladder. So i think it is on women, too, that its okay to go have a drink with a colleague, whether its a male or a female. If youre uncomfortable doing it, dont do it. If you feel like youre jeopardized, most companies do have resources for you. The problem is the u. S. Government does not have a resource for young women to go to. At the Washington Post since been there, weve always had glass offices. Weve always had seethrough offices. I think its a good idea. Can i take that a step further . Im not sure its okay to go have drinks. I think were at a point in time where we need to look at work as a place for professional behavior. For example, glass offices. Yeah, thats a good idea. How about leaving the office door open, especially when youre meeting with an underling. At the doctors office, there is always a nurse in the room. There is a reason for that. Every corporation now that is putting bars into workplaces i know theyre trying to be a social experiment and millennials have sleep pods where they end up having sex. Ive literally heard about that and its ridiculous. But maybe we need to dial back. Maybe drinks in the evening with a male in a senior position who is much older than you is not a good idea. Maybe he shouldnt ask and maybe she shouldnt go. Maybe its lunch, maybe its coffee, maybe its a meeting in the office with the door open. Why do we all have to go out to dinner at night with members of the opposite sex when were working with them . Why is that a norm . If im a woman and im in a company and theres an important meeting and im not going to go because im a woman no, no, no. Men dont need to ask for drinks, okay . Ill go to any restaurant tonight and theres tables of three or four guys who Work Together and liquor on the table. Thats a problem. But its reality. There is a certain totally legitimate kind of institutional and organizational bonding that takes place in successful organizations. Off site. People hug trees together. But the answer is its not going to not happen. We can hug trees, just not each other, okay . Still ahead on morning joe, this. We have tried this before and many of you were here. President bush did this. He said, were going to cut taxes for the wealthy. Its going to lead to growth, wages are are going to go up. We had the most stagnant decade of growth since the Great Depression, and it ended in a complete economic collapse. This is a conard. This economic philosophy stinks. 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They say the president is going to be on the front lines of this battle, working the phones, reaching out to lawmakers who are skeptical, including senator ron johnson who says right now he is a no vote on this. Part of the challenge is the messaging and the sense that this bill, the one that passed in the house, the one that is being looked at in the senate, could potentially help the wealthy while hurting the middle class. The republicans say thats not the case. But the reality is thats the challenge theyre dealing with. And complicating their messaging an nbc News Analysis that President Trump, who has not yet released his tax returns, he would benefit from that tax bill. 20 million he could savor and his heirs could save up to 1. 1 billion. The president tweeting about this this morning, no surprise. Lets take a look at some of his tweets. Writing, great numbers on stocks and the economy. If we get tax cuts and reform, well really see some great results. The second one, if democrats were not such obstructionists and understood the power of lower taxes, we would be able to get many of their ideas into the bill. Hes really trying to get democrats on board with the senate tax proposal, and they were saying, hey, were open to potentially trying to find some type of compromise. The fact that republicans have inserted that language that would repeal the obamacare individual mandate is going to make it a much tougher sell. There is no doubt the highest hurdle remains in the senate, willie. Kristen welker at the white house for us. Lets bring in democratic senator tim ryan. We just heard a little of your impassioned speech on the house floor about this 1. 1 billion tax cut by republicans in the house. You said this is a conard, this stinks, this doesnt work. It hammers working class people. The only place this is going to create a job is in beijing, china. What would this plan, if it passes through the senate, mean to a family working in youngstown, ohio, for example, in your district . Well, theyre each going to be saddled with about 20,000 more in debt. There are two big winners here, willie, its Corporate America, who has been doing really, really well over the last few years, profits are up, and the chinese government. Because its 1. 5 trillion, but then we borrow that with interest over 10 years. Its going to be more like 2. 3 trillion that we will borrow primarily from the chinese and maybe the saudi arabians. Thats debt thats going to go on to the family in akron, ohio or youngstown, ohio. Theyre going to be forced to pay it. All the while the benefits for Corporate America with the Corporate Tax, for example, is made permanent, and any slight benefit that may go to a working class family is gone after just a year or two and millions of american working class families are going to see a tax increase. If you look at the deductions, for example, student loan deduction, gone. Medical health care deduction for health care costs, gone. If youre a graduate student, youre going to see 300 to 400 increase in your tax bill, and as i said in the speech on the house floor, the salt in the wound is that they keep the deduction that allows a corporation to deduct the expenses and write off the expenses for moving jobs from the United States to other countries. In this day and age, after what President Trump campaigned on in places like ohio, michigan and wisconsin, this is a joke that they would keep that in there, and the American People are finding out the true colors of this president , and i will tell you last week when i was back home and did a lot of events over veterans day, the shine is off the apple with President Trump. A lot of people are having buyers remorse. A lot of working class people that i met who are democrats crossed over, voted for trump, are having buyers remorse, and i think as they see this tax cut unfold, its going to be even more so. So congressman, as you listen to your colleague paul ryan talk through and defend this bill, he basically gives the argument for supply side economics, that this will grow that family youre talking about in youngstown, ohio, will benefit from the growth. A high tide raises boats. What do you think of his comment . As i said, its a conard. Its baseless. President bush said he was going to do the same thing. He was going to cut taxes for the wealthiest people in the country and that was going to somehow trickle down to the communities that had been left behind by globalization. That decade had the slowest growth of any decade going all the way back to the Great Depression and it ended in economic collapse in 2007, 08 and 09 that we in some ways are still digging our way out of. That economic theory is a joke. It just doesnt work. There is absolutely no evidence that supply side economics works. You have to have investments back into the people of the country. What supply side economics has done is its not only concentrated wealth, but its concentrated opportunity. So people in many large swaths of the United States lack the opportunity to work their way out of their current Economic Situation or have more stability in the situation that theyre currently in. Thats the problem with this economic system. First and foremost, it doesnt work, and the wealthiest people in the country we dont hate them because theyre wealthy, but we cant afford to go to china and borrow 2. 3 Million People not to put back in the country but to give the wealthiest people. This economic theory just doesnt work. Congressman, Gene Robinson here. Whats the recourse now . It got through the house. Its going to come up in the senate. What can democrats do, and especially democrats in the house. You guys lost, basically. How are you going to affect what happens Going Forward . Well, you got to get the message out to put heat on those three, four, five senators that may be swing votes for this, and i think talking about borrowing this money from china, talking about going 2. 3 trillion more in debt, talking about the imbalance and when you talk about the debt, you hope youre appealing to a bob corker. You hope youre appealing to a jeff flake. Jeff flake clearly, when i got to congress, he was the most conservative guy in congress, now theyre running him out of the party. But i actually think he is he has a lot of integrity when it comes to issues about balancing the budget and about debt and deficits, and if he knows that this is going to cost us 2. 3 trillion with the tea that we borrow from china, you hope he can hold the line on it. Thats our only hope at this point. Congressman, before you go, your comments, your reaction to the allegations and the apology by senator al franken on the sex sexual harrassment story. Very disappointed, and im disgusted with everything thats going on. The only point id really like to make is that were hearing a lot about hollywood, were hearing a lot about the United States congress. This is something that happens all over the country in communities all over the country, and it needs to be dealt with in a very, very serious way. You know, kudos to these women for having the courage to step up, and mika, kudos to you for really providing a lot of support for them as they speak up. But lets remember, this isnt just in the halls of congress or in the most powerful places in hollywood. This is happening everywhere in the country. Congressman tim ryan, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. Thanks, congressman. 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[ click ] [ keyboard clacking ] [ clacking continues ] good questions lead to good answers. Our advisors can help you find both. Talk to one today and see why were bullish on the future. Yours. 36 past the hour. Joining us now live from panama city, panama, nbc news chief correspondent Richard Engel. Richard, youve been looking into Donald Trumps Business Ventures overseas, a building that they say attracted dirty money. Reporter thats right, im in panama city with an investigation weve been working on for months since the collapse of reuters. The president doesnt own the building, he just licenses his name, and hes been paid over the years millions to do that. And our reporting shows that the building, like others in this city, has been a magnet for suspicious business activity. Trump ocean club soars over the pacific and panama city. Its also where criminals, everywhere from russian gangsters to money launderers for latin money cartels hold their cash. Alex was one of the brokers. You came in with hundreds of buyers. Yes. Did the Trump Organization want to know who these buyers were, where the money was coming from . No, not that im aware of. Not at all. Reporter he is now a fugitive wanted for fraud. We agreed to disguise his appearance because he fears for his safety. He said he sold units, no questions asked, to buyers including guzman in custody in the United States convicted of launderring millions of dollars. President trump was involved in the panama project, though not directly in sales. She featured in its promotions. Our investigation reveals several of venturas brokers and buyers also had ties to russian organized crime. Documents from the Panama Office show units were bought from anonymous shell companies, hiding who knows what. And that, a former panamanian prosecutor told us drew in people with a criminal history. Patrick ally is a cofounder and global witness. A responsible businessman should want to know where the money is coming from. If that businessman is now president of the United States, thats of interest. A statement said, the Trump Organization was not the owner, developer or seller of the Trump Ocean Club panama project and that he had no relationship with ventura or the allegations against him. We also asked ivanka trump for comment, but her team referred us back to this statement. I believe this is a picture of you with President Trump. Yes. Thats maralago. You were a guest at the party, they hosted you at maralago yes. There was a lot of people, but i was one of them. Reporter the Trump Organization is now distancing themselves from a project that earned him millions but involved a dubious cast of characters. Financial documents indicate the president is still making money from this building. The Trump Organization maintains that since it never owned the building, wasnt involved in sales, just had a Licensing Agreement that it cant be held responsible for what went on here. But legal experts weve spoken to say that may not be the case, that if a company deliberately turns a blind eye to suspicious activity, to potential criminal activity, that could be enough to raise a case. Mika, back to you. Richard engel, thank you very much. Well be looking for more of your reporting on assignment with Richard Engel. It airs at 9 00 eastern right here on msnbc. Todd heilman, it seems like there is a lot of following of the money that can be done as it relates to trump towers and buildings around the world. I think it was one of the stories that was least well covered in the course of the president ial campaign and the story that, if you look at kind of the personnel that bob mueller has put together, a lot of those people are highly trained at following money, and not just to russia but to other places. Dark money, dirty money, there is a whole world of that, a whole second financial system. I think that one of the things theyre examining very closely is the way in which trumps Business Operations are tied into that whole world. Thats the way this ends. Thats the way this ends. Just look at his properties. Its all not all the amount of laundering, the russian money. This might be a different instance, it is a licensing deal and whatnot. If you look at the tediousness with which they went through following the money with manafort, that would be scarring. Thats where this all ends. Lets not forget, Licensing Agreements also have moral clauses. So if trump wants to step aside from this deal, he can and actually have a legal out. But again were going to see hes more about the money. Its so interesting because President Trump wants very much Hillary Clinton to be investigated. I think that he might want to think twice about that, because wow, this could be a long run of investigations. Beware of special prosecutors in the presidency. Dont sell yourself short. 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Call us or your advisor. T. Rowe price. Invest with confidence. One year after helping elect him to the presidency, voters in the battleground state of North Carolina is having second thoughts. A North Carolina newspaper delivered harsh reviews since President Trump took office. Among the group, five voted for trump. Heres what two of them had to say. He appealed to me. Since hes been in there, hes embarrassed me by his behavior. He behaves unpresident ial. I cant imagine how they let him build a club, let alone be in there. He has all these grand ideas and theres no followthrough. Despite trumps behavior and lack of accomplishment, they say, none of the five trump voters would rule out supporting him again. Im still optimistic. He still has a lot of time to prove something. I would still rather have a career politician in there. Hes had a harder road because everybody hates him, not just the democrats. But youve been pretty tough on him, too. I expect a lot out of him. Member of the House Committee and Financial Services, democratic congressman john delaney in maryland. He is already running for his partys president ial nomination. Welcome. Glad to have you. Good to be here. I want to talk about the tax bill that passed yesterday in just a second, but i think people would hear hes already in the president ial race. You actually got in this summer, in early august. Yes. What is your message or what should be the National Message of democrats, one that didnt work for Hillary Clinton last year running against donald trump . I think we should be the party that wants to return civility to politics, wants to bring back special service, and wants to bring the country back together and start focusing on things we agree on. We always talk to things we dont agree on. Whats an example of that . The infrastructure. The country broadly agrees we need much more agreement in infrastructure. It will create jobs, it will improve the lives of citizens. Thats what we should be focused on. But were not doing that. We continue talking about these divisive issues. Thats an example of things we should be doing. What about divisive issues . Are you talking about social issues . You dont think we should go so hard left on those or not put them out front . I think the problem with the Democratic Party is were often a thousand flowers blooming. We have a lot of issues we care about, but in the end its about equal pay and opportunity for their children. We just heard your colleague, congressman ryan, ripping the tax bill to shreds. What do you object to in the bill . I think obviously the bill disproportionately is an advantage for wealthy americans. The thing i object to in the bill is its not solving the principal problem in the country right now. The principal problem right now is were not investing in infrastructure and human capital. Theyre using a strategy that was employed 40 by Ronald Reagan and vic bradley. Right now we have no shortage of capital invested in this economy. Our economy has been cut in half. We havent invested in human capital. There are 7 million jobs backgr business. Isnt lowering the Corporate Tax rate a good ideas for companies that then hire more people and thats a way to grow the economy . It is, but it should be done right now the rpt cotax rate on average that we pay in this country is very consistent with our competitors. We talk about 35 . In fact, on average, they pay in the low 20s. So the way to get the Corporate Tax rate down is to eliminate deductio deductions, not to just cut the rate. It clearly would be better to have the Corporate Tax rate lower. If you ask ceos whats the issue theyre facing, its not the tax code. Its the shortage of workers, the skills gap, the fact the Public Schools arent producing kids that have the skills they need. These are the central issues. What we should be doing as part of tax reform is not try to solve a problem that existed 40 years ago when, in fact, the marginal tax rates were really high and there were a lot of tax shelters. What people were doing is investing in noneconomic investments and capital wasnt flowing efficiency. We should be using our tax code to encourage the behavior we need to grow our economy, more int infrastructu infrastructure, more human capital. Thats what you need to create based on technological development. Watching that focus group, the trump voters who seemed really broken, just totally depressed and disappointed. And yet they still might support him again. Yeah. What does that say about the Democratic Party and about who even potentially could be an inspirational figure . It says were not speaking to the American People about what they care about. I think what the American People are dying for is someone to bring us together, to bring competence to government, focus on some of the things we agree on, and to really be almost with a singular focus on the things that move most americans which is their job, their pay and opportunity for the children. Every time were not talking about its not happening right now, is it . I cant i couldnt believe what i watched there. It was the saddest thing ive ever seen. But its moving. They were sold the con. You can see the realization theres nowhere to go. What you heard is they were upset with the behavior more than anything else. Theyre still hopeful for some new ideas. What i would ask you, running for president , we talk about this country, but what about the party itself . How do you bring the Democratic Party behind you from the different factions . I think the voters often decide this. I think the voters are in different places than where Party Leadership is. Some of the things i talk about running for president , the first hundred days only doing things on a bipartisan basis, having the president go to congress once a quarter and debate the congress, just like the Prime Minister does in great britain, three hours prime time television, to get to the truth. Talking about the country, half the people are not entirely wrong about what they believe. Thats the leadership the country is looking for and thats the kind of leadership i think the president should be providing. Thats the kind of leadership i think could get the Democratic Party back in a position where were winning elections. Look at virginia. Ralph northam was true to who he is, authentic to the kind of human being he is and the voters embraced. This is a huge opportunity for the Democratic Party to conduct themselves in the way the American People looking for. Congressman john delaney, thanks for being on the show. Thank you. We continue our conversation on Sexual Harassment in the wake of allegations against a growing list of prominent men of which senator al franken is the latest. The Senate Judiciary committee is trying to get russiarelated documents from Jared Kushner. Well tell you what documents senators say are missing. Morning joe is coming right back. To move your money to the instant your new retirement account is funded. Because when you know where you stand, things are just clearer. A little bit o soul, yeah we create machines that make every experience more real. Because the best feature of a pc Gaming Machine is the power to make you forget its there. Shop our lowest prices ever at dell. Com. you can do it. We can do this. At fidelity, our online planning tools are clear and straightforward so you can plan for retirement while saving for the things you want to do today. Whoo members of the Ethics Committee are becoming the busiest members on capitol hill. Al franken is apologizing after accusations he kissed and groped a woman in 2006. Senator bob menendez dodged a conviction and roy moore got slipping support in alabama and support is all but gone in washington. Well get the very latest on all of that and some major developments surrounding Michael Flynn and Jared Kushner. Thats all straight ahead on this friday morning. Good morning everyone. Welcome to morning joe. Its november 17th, joe is on assignment this morning. With us we have National Affairs analyst for nbc news and msnbc john heilemann. Donny deutsch is here and republican strategist and political commentator once and for all. Viewers want to know why you do that . Does she hate you . Because youre reprehensible in some ways and i like to just sort of feel it when i say it. Okay. What are the ways im reprehensible. The question is in what ways are you not reprehensible. Just when youre donny, its fun. Tell them its fun, not real hatred. We need to analyze. Susan del pers i dont is here and in washington nbc news capitol hill correspondent and host of dckc dc. Willie, well done. Thank you for doing that. Wolfman jack. That was good. I was expecting it from heilemann. I knew willie would step up. There is so much to talk about, lets start with the Alabama Senate race which will go on as planned on december 12th. Alabamas governor kay ivy saying yesterday she will not move the date of the election. It means that republican nominee roy moore has little over three weeks to make up ground on democrat doug jones. If the new folks news poll is accurate, it shows jones leading moore by eight points among likely voters in the state. 78 of republican likely voters say they would vote for moore, while 13 say theyd vote for jones. Jones is doing considerably well among women voters, 58 of women said they will vote for jones. Only 32 say theyd vote for moo moore. Also, 69 of women voters under 45 say they will back jones in next month election. When likely voters were asked about moral character, 56 said jones had a strong moral character. 41 said roy moore and 40 said Luther Strange had strong moral character. Yesterday White House Press secretary Sarah Huckabee sanders says President Trump found the allegations troubling, but repeatedly said trump would leave the decision to support moore up to alabama voters. The president believes that these allegations are very troubling and should be taken seriously. He thinks that the people of alabama should make the decision on who their next senator should be. Thats also something in a decision that the people of alabama need to make, not the president , whether or not they want roy moore to support them in the senate. These are something that should be taken very seriously and the people of alabama should be the ones to make the decision on whether or not to support roy moore. The president supported the decision by rnc to withdraw resources from this race, but feels its up to the people of alabama to make the decision. Look, as ive said, the president believes this is a decision for the people of alabama to make, not one for him to make. Of course, President Trump leapt on to twitter to go after al franken when that photo came out yesterday, but still has not personally spoken about roy moore. Joining us now from montgomery, alabama, covering the race, msnbcs von hilliard. This is a regular thing were doing every morning. We have a new poll out that shows eightpoint lead for doug jones, a fox news poll. Still roy moores hardened supporters are sticking by him. Whats it look like on the ground . Reporter i think we need to be clear and take a step back. This is day nine since the allegations came out, the first ones in the Washington Post. I think it needs to be repeated over and over now that roy moore is running a campaign not focused on politics and not focused on issues, but on delegitimizing the accusations of these women. He said yesterday that the press has not asked him a question about actual issues, about the military, the economy. And i think we need to be clear that we have made those attempts. Roy moore has not done an interview with the media since that hannity interview, and he has not answered the simple question, have you ever touched, kissed or dated a teenage girl. He was again asked yesterday at a press conference in birmingham where there was about 20 people that came up, faith leaders that came up and spoke on his defense as well as trying to what were they doing . Delegitimizing the women. They also were talking about issues such as gay terrorists and homosexual sodomy will bake down those who partake in it. Some mentioned ungodly republicans like john mccain and mitt romney. Once roy moore got to the microphone, he spoke for about 60 seconds, said were here to take down Mitch Mcconnell, that this is all untrue. Then he followed up by taking questions, but, of course, when it came down to what the questions were, its about these allegations and whether hes actually ever touched a teenage girl. What did he do . Walked down the hallway refusing to answer. This is a man running a campaign, he set it up, its us against the forces of evil. Roy moore has called it the forces of evil. This is what the alabama voters are looking at and having to decide, whether the man theyve known for several decades is the roy moore they believe him to be or will they side with Mitch Mcconnell, the swamp, the media, the, quote, forces of evil. Theres a Jeremy Peters piece that reads, there was a time when disowning a candidate accused of sexually abuses a 14yearold girl was fairly straight pour ward. Were living in a parallel universe, for the people who support roy moore, its not about the accusations, they dont believe the accusations based on the source. They believe theyre democratic operatives or pushed out by democratic operatives. This is protecting the tribe at all costs even if it means questioning the source, lets be clear, is not the Washington Post. The source was nine women, nine women, some voted for trump, not political, nothing to gain and everything to lose by coming forward, everything to lose. The level of evil i would ask everybody at home to watch, i dont know if theyre playing the clips of the rally, the fire and brimstone of these men and women of faith, literally coming on and calling the communist democrats and the evil left wing. This is a man thats been accused by nine women of underage molestation, underage molestation, underage molestation. Its stunning, its frightening. Where is the evil where are we . Where have we come . Were in strange times. Where are we. To context lies this party we used to be a country that protected the weak, protected children. Were going to try and protect the environment with the epa, try to protect consumers with regulation, try and protect people with health care, try and protect elephants from being slaughtered. Every evil thing you can be doing, every bad guy, good guy you watch the goose stepping in south korea and go those are the bad guys. I was watching yesterday these people, were becoming the bad guys. All i ask is that people of alabama make a decision of who you are. If the republicans cant find the moral compass, find the political compass because you, people will brand you the party of the pedophile. You will be the party of the pedophile. Are we here, susan, to sort of broaden the conversation and be as honest as possible . I think its really hard these days to have anonymous conversations about Sexual Harassment. No matter what you say im finding myself in a lot of private conversations with people on both sides of this and it is a minefield. I will say, didnt this start long before even bill clinton, but i will say with bill clinton in many ways, who, can i say, sexually harassed an intern in the white house. According to kristen gillibrand, senator from new york, you absolutely can say that. To be fair this isnt roy moore, republican alabama this is what happens in places where republicans are. This has been happening for decades, its been accepted as a norm. These are underage children. Its all horrible. These are underage children. Absolutely. We can draw that line for sure. That would be a crime, that would be a crime on every level. But arent we here because norms have been accepted that have been beyond the pale for a very long time . We are, but were at a really interesting point because now these women came forward. Guess what . Every woman who is coming forward, the presumption is we believe them. Never used to be that way. It never was that way. Listening to especially the al franken comments, more of the workplace kind of Sexual Harassment versus the molestation comments or concerns, one thing i started to realize is how many pats on the bum did i get or how many times did we hear stay away from this one. It was just the norm. It was a matter of a little bit of sur vooifl. Its not that im making a meto comment. But it was just the way it was accepted and no one wanted to rock the boat. I think were still going to see some issues in washington, especially women who are scared to come forward because theres so many other implications. You dont want to be the one to take down your party, for example. Women are feeling safe now, and that is probably one of the more significant things that were seeing in this climate. Still ahead on morning joe, President Trump hasnt said much or really anything about the roy moore scandal, but he sure was quick to tweet about al franken. Well break down that story which somehow roger stone knew was coming before anybody else. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Heres the story of Green Mountain Coffee Roasters sumatra reserve. Lets go to sumatra. The coffee here is amazing. Because the volcanic soil is amazing. So we give farmers like win more plants. To grow more delicious coffee. Which helps provide for wins family. All, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. Green mountain Coffee Roasters. But prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered. In jellyfish. In clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. The name to remember. Moderate to severe Rheumatoid Arthritis was intense. My moms pain from i wondered if she could do the stuff she does for us which is kinda, a lot. 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How did he know that . That was posted around 1 00 a. M. , hours before the franken allegations broke. How did he know that . Well have much more on that coincidence to this story in just a moment. First, the accusation. Lee ann tweeden said it happened in 2006 during a reversal when they were both on tour overseas with the uso. He mashed his lips against my face and stuck his tongue in my mouth so fast. All i can remember is his lips were really wet and it was slimy. I remember i pushed him off with my hands. I rememberi almost punched him. Because every time i see him my hands clench into fists. Im sure thats why. I said if you ever do that to me again, im not going to be so nice about it the second time, and i just walked out away from him. And i walked out. I want to find a bathroom and i wanted to rinse my mouth out. Tweeden released this photograph yesterday showing franken grabbinger in the chest while she slemt. Initially franken released a short statement saying he remembers the rehearsal differently adding, quote, i send my sen seerest apologies to leeann. The photo was intended to be funny, but it wasnt. In a second longer statement he wrote, quote, i dont know what was in my head when i took that picture. It doesnt matter. Theres no excuse. I look at it now and feel disgusted with myself. It isnt funny, completely inappropriate. Tweeden said yesterday she accepts senator frankens apology. In his second statement franken said he would gladly cooperate with an investigation. Fellow senator Amy Klobuchar said this should not have happened, i strongly condemn this behavior and the senate Ethics Committee must open an investigation. Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer said Sexual Harassment is no appropriate and should never be tolerated. Here are some other reactions. The statement that al made, i think is an appropriate statement. Hes asking for an vangs on himself. Sexual harassment is inappropriate in every circumstance in every way, whomever is involved. The behavior is unacceptable. I think the idea of having the Ethics Commission take it up is thats what you have an Ethics Committee for. And im happy that he has said, yeah, ill cooperate. President trump also weighed in on twitter last night writing, the Al Franken Stein picture is really bad, speaks a thousand words. Where do his hands go in pictures two, three, four, five and six while she sleeps . I dont know, maybe he could tell us in the tapes we got from access hollywood. To think just last week he was lecturing anyone who would listen about Sexual Harassment and respect for him. Lesley stahl tape . The president s comment about lesley stahl appears to reference a 1995 new York Magazine article about a discussion between saturday night live writers where franken suggests a joke about a scenario where stahl is assaulted. In his book, franken says the extremely dark joke was never intended to air on television. Kasie hunt, what are you hearing on the hill . Mika, this is a situation where you showed some democrats on camera talking about this for the most part. I would say there were a lot of people running away from the cameras, democrats who dont want to talk about this. But i do think that there is a sense that, you know, this is not theres a certain level of unsurprise i think that the overall Sexual Harassment story is reaching capitol hill. Weve been talking about this for the last week and a half. Jackie speier who frankens accuser referenced in her press conference has come for ard and said this is a huge problem. She told her own metoo story. Susan touched on this earlier in the conversation, there are a lot of women who are afraid to name names in the context of capitol hill and politics because of the its the way the town is. Its a small town, your reputation is everything. They dont want to say anything because theyre afraid theyll never work in politics again. Lee ann tweeden gave voice to that when she said ten years ago i felt i could never tell the story because i was told id never work in this job again. Now shes in a position of power, whose job is not contingent on a future politician deciding to hire her on a staff or for a campaign. She is able to come out and tell this story. I think for every story like this where somebody is willing to come out and say it, there are it seems to me dozens of women. I have talked to quite a few of them over the course of the last week or so who has stories to tell and who are afraid to tell them. I have to tell you, this is not a partisan problem. Thats one thing, you saw the president tweeting about this. On the other hand, when it comes to roy moore, he said the people of alabama need to make up their minds, hasnt said a word. People take this and make this about a party. This is not about partisan politics. This is about the bad behavior of men, wide spectrum and to varying degrees. The reason women are so afraid to say anything because they know its going to get politicized immediately. Whether that will change, clearly were in a significant cultural moment. So far its not changing in my conversation. People are still afraid. I think its about the bad behavior of men, but the evolving strength of women to own their voices and to feel comfortable talking about something that used to be in the shadows, about something that would get them attacked. Now its something that makes them part of a bigger movement, something potentially transformational. I think this is a very perilous time for this movement that needs to go in the right direction. Back now to the roger stone part of the story. As we mentioned, the former trump Campaign Adviser is banned from twitter. Yesterday an account connected to him posted what roger stone saying its al frankens time in the barrel. Franken next in a long list of democrats to be accused of grabby behavior. That was posted around 1 00 a. M. , hours before the allegations broke. Incidentally time in the barrel is the same language stone used to reference John Podestas leaked emails in the 2016 race before wikileaks released those emails. John heilemann, im just not im not going to play the coincidence game. Whats going on . I have no idea. Does it seem to be right now i have no idea. Roger stone is a guy that has a lot of connections in the media. These stories are being pursued across the world of politics. How would he know . The stories pursued by a lot of people, a lot of gossip going around. A lot of Opposition Research being done . Again, i have no idea. I dont know the answer to the question. I know people plugged into the world of media and politics are hearing a lot of gossip about a lot of people being pursued. I want to ask susan and mika and casey this question. Any of this behavior against women is hep ensable and unacceptable. Thats a given. You use the word degrees, and this is not partisan. This is going to continue to happen. Every guy is going, okay, what in my life did i ever do we have to separate and start to put degrees the difference, both reprehensible, but degrees of somebody who nine women come forward, molested underage children or somebody who forced a kiss on the woman. Both bad. I dont want letters that im mar marginalizing what happened with al franken. Do we need to delineate the behavior, very surs one person that comes forward and i apologize. Do we put it all in one bucket. Im asking you guys. There are laws. To talk about the degrees, it also means we have to recognize when women are coming forward. There are often reasons why we wait women wait so long, because of their careers, like in the al franken case or because theyre young and by the time they get older and grow up in the towns and dont want to put their children through it, so it sometimes takes time. The best thing, the most important thing as women come forward were in an amazing moment right now. I guess what im saying is those degrees are already determined. Theyre not. Because right now we in the media are putting those guys in the same bucket, the same story, men behaving terribly. I think the public absolutely does react differently to a child molester than someone caught trying to forcibly kiss somebody. Both bad. Im going to get letters about this. I know i am. Both are bad. I would argue what would we make of the case of al franken if there wasnt the photo . Would it have been treated the same exact way because he was an elected official . Would it have been part of the workplace. Thats what i think his first statement was the way it was, is because he said it was part of a skit he was dancing around. But the photo was so damning, and you look at the front page of the tabloids in new york, its all over the place. That does make a difference, and more importantly how the public reacts to it. Such a sensitive its so hard to even its so hard to talk about. Some conservative voices are pumping the brakes. I think im going to ask you a really tough question, before lumping in the allegations against senator franken with those brought against Alabama Senate candidate roy moore. Foxs brit human has said franken basically admitted what his accuser said and apologized, big difference from moore. That in response for a tweet that asked human why he didnt seem eager to find franken guilty as he did with moore. Amanda carpenter said what does the Senate Investigation committee have to investigate. We have the story, a photo and an apology. This from msnbc contributor charlie sykes, with all the republicans pounding al franken to resign because of the story, it really does open up the question of, well, then, what about donald trump . If we believe all the other women in all the other cases, why do we not believe women who accused him . Its a very good question. And then in the middle of all of this, theres a lot of generational changes happening here, really good for women. The Womens Movement has produced incredible results including this moment where women are speaking out. Are there times im not going to ask you the question. Im just going to say this. That we have to look at what the goal is here. Whats the goal . What are we trying to do . I think the goal is to shine the light on really bad behavior, really poor form, really scary moments for women that derail their careers, and we need to create an environment where everyone feels safe, where this behavior is shunned, where its unwelcome and where its prevent ed. Is the goal to bring people down based on politics or hate . There are cases that are proven, where there are settlements, where theres evidence, and the sexual predator has been brought down. Harvey weinstein. There are cases where the predator flour risched and continued to be the president of the United States. Talking about bill clinton where the woman were attacked, where they were settled with and their lives were ruined. Monica lewinsky and forever stamped with a scarlet letter. This is what weve been dealing with on both sides of the aisle. Whats the goal. We have a friend of the show who is no longer on the show because of this behavior, that he admits and he apologizes for. Al franken apologizeds. Im not being ideological or siding with anybody. I believe the women. But what are we doing with these apologies . I think the ultimate goal is its twofold. Do we accept them . Thats what the settlements were originally about, was to scare people, men women ended up feeling victimized because of those settleme settlements, now nondisclosures are being considered a way of victimizing women. What do we want . Were into the next step. We want women to speak out so men know were going to speak out and they will not behave that way. Following that, after probably a generation of fear honestly, is that we see they simply dont behave because they know its not acceptable. Who is the judge, the jury and the cops in all these cases. Right now if the story is big enough and flies enough, the career is over. What theyre willing to tolerate and what theyre not. Lets not forget, especially when it comes to politics, 51 of this country, women voters, we have a say, and were starting to use the voice, and its not to get catchy here, its about knowing your value, exactly what youve been talking about, by saying its okay, i have the right to be in a workplace. Own it, in the moment. In the moment. The goal is to signal to men that the boys club is closed, that you cannot do this. You cant get away with it anymore. In that reality, do we bring people down one by one, or the ones that want to address their behavior, do we bring them to the table . I think the public has a pretty good sense. There will be casualties. To willies point, net, net, net, a new generation of men behaviorally will have a chip in their brain. Shear the tough question then, do you worry, do you know, do you feel that the way you were around every man, every man hold on. The way you were around women 30 years ago is a little different, don any, than the way you are now . A million percent. Should you be brought down for the way you were 30 years ago, i want to know . Should i be brought down if i tried to kiss a woman . Should my life end because i did that 30 years ago . I hope not. I think in my case, a lifetime feminism and blah, blah, blah, loving women and elevating women versus a man who for his entire lifetime was chasing underage children. Theres a difference. Every man, if their entire life was being filmed, has done an inappropriate thing in the workplace. Whats happening now, susan, you talked about having to endure the pats on the butt, the women coming out. Oh, my gosh, i got cupped. Women talking about things theyre uncomfortable with, theyre doing because my daughter doesnt have to get patted on the butt. Im so greateful for that. My daughter will not endure those comments, those looks, that behavior. A great moment in time. And everyones son will be brought up not to do it. Thats equally as important. That segment went about four times longer than we planned. We will continue to talk about this in the days and weeks to come. Its such an important conversation. Up next, New York Times columnist Brett Stephens joins the table. 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Joining us, columnist for the New York Times, Brett Stephens, Political Correspondent covering National Security and foreign policy, natasha bertrand. And msnbc justice and security analyst Matthew Miller. Matt, lets start with you. What is hoping to be obtained, what has not been brought out . I think what we see here is you have to start with the fact that muellers team requested these documents from the Campaign Months ago and presumably some had been turned over. Last month they decided to go a step further and issue a subpoena which, if you dont return documents under a subpoena, you can be charged with obstruction of justice. What that usually means is they dont trust that they were getting everything they were supposed to get based on voluntary requests. You can see kauai they would think that. You saw Jared Kushner omit a number of meetings with russians, not turning over all the documents. Youve seen repeated lie after lie after lie and omission after omission by everyone on the team. Mueller decided, look, were not going to trust your word on this matter. Well send a subpoena and if you dont comply, i can charge you with a crime for failure to do so. Ill ask eegt of you to chime in, matt or natasha. Are we at the point where where you forget to plug in certain things and its fair game that he might have, or where it looks like hes willfully withheld documents that are pertinent . It would seem this way if this were the first time it happened. He has had to update security clearance four times. This has clearly become a pattern and i think thats the reason why Chuck Grassley and Dianne Feinstein found the need to braft this letter out to every reporter, to really put Jared Kushner on notice, if this happens again, its really not going to be okay. Matt . Look, you might get the benefit of the doubt the first time you fail to remember something, the first time you dont disclose a meeting. You dont get it on the second time, dont get it on the third time, certainly not on the fourth time. Thats where were at with Jared Kushner. Its the same standard that flies to jeff sessions. You might give him the benefit of the doubt the first time. On the fourth occasion of failing to disclose a meeting with russian officials, no one is going to trust that was anything but intentional. Disclosure requirements are incredibly onerous when you go to work in government. What do you mean onerous . Incredibly extensive. Every single contact youve had. Kushner has a case where when youre on the campaign and meeting literally hundreds of people a day, its quite possible. Your life is different than the way most of us lead it. Own the other hand, a party that screamed bloody murder ability the clintons campaigns failure to release emails, ought to subject itself to exactly the same standard. The defense consistently provided for kushner is either that Disclosure Requirements are too onerous or its an honest mistake. Either hold him to an excruciating standard or not. Thats the standard to which they held the clintons. Seems like that argument can be held about every conversation weve had this morning, including Sexual Harassment. I think the problem for kushner is the things hes failed to disclose, its not that there may be onerous requirements, but if the thing youre leaking out of your documents are the things that are controversial and at issue, that becomes the problem. Natasha, think about all the things happening now, think about the kushner issue, the don junior issue, theres whats happening with mike flynn, obviously the manafort indictment. These are theyre building up towards the pinnacle here which is obviously the person who sits in the oval office. Talk about how you think it is that mueller is building by putting each one of these people in increasing degrees of legal jeopardy. Whats the end game there and what are the next phases as he gets closer and closer to the gentleman behind that big desk. Hes clearly trying to get to the people who he thinks is most legally vulnerable. He wants to do that because he wants more information about what actually happened during the campaign. Its clear that the white house and the Trump Administration is not going to be forthcoming about all the contacts they have with russia during the election. Its made very clear by the fact theres this drip drip constantly. Every week we learn about a new email. George papadopoulos came out of nowhere. I think muellers strategy is to really scare these people into giving him more information about what he really wants to know which is russias interference in the election and whether or not the campaign colluded with moscow to undermine clinton. In terms of the end em ga, mueller is going to have to prevent his findings to congress. Its unclear whether hell have to go after these individual people and leave it at that or find some conspiracy he can present which would put the president in legal jeopardy. In terms of whether or not hes going to interview trump himself, experts ive spoken to said it would be very, very surprising if he did not. Matt miller, im curious about Michael Flynn, every day theres a different angle to this story about him. He did offer didnt he offer himself up in exchange for immunity. What is the story with flynn at this point . What is the big question. What is it that he could potentially reveal. I think prosecutors are putting as much pressure on him as possible, not just because of the criminal liability he has which could relate to the scheme, a kidnapping or expedition scheme where he might have been willing to take 15 million from the turkish government. It could be his contacts with russian officials. It all goes to his relationship with the president. They want to get flynn for his own criminal liability, but also because he is one of the central witnesses against the president of the United States. Maybe for something that happened during the campaign, but certainly for the one thing we know trump is under investigation for personally, and thats obstruction of justice. His initial acts in the obstruction of justice case all started after the sally yates warning about Michael Flynn that the white house ignored. It was the day after that warning that donald trump first met with jim comey and asked him for a loyalty pledge, a few weeks after when he met with comey and asked him to back off the flynn investigation. Flynn is central to the case against the president himself. Thats why i think you see mueller coming down on him as hard as he is. One last provocative question for brett who has a column as i do twice a week. This particular column which makes the claim that, in your words, not mine, steve bannon is bad for the juice. Lets describe why that might be true . In the jewish political world, there is a corner of it which has consistently cheered the Trump Administration and people like steve bannon, a segment of the alt right, the breitbart right, being so pro israel that that is enough to cover for the white nationalist, borderline neonazi associations of prominent people in breitbart, like their former tech editor, milo june nap laos. Its important to point out even if bannon considers himself a pro israel figure, you cant be a pro israel figure because you see them as a white ethno nationalist state holding out against is its neighbors. Support has to be predicated on the fact that its a state that brings together a jewish identity but a liberal democratic identity that respects the rights of all its citizens. Some jews, i think its dangerous for American Jews to affiliate with that brand of alt right politics which otherwise engages in just the kind of c conspiracy theories, globalism, the corporatist media, International Bankers which always finds a way, i dont know how, at getting back at those, quote, unquote, ruthless cosmopolitans whose identity is well known to a lot of people. Well be reading bretts new column in the New York Times. Matt miller, thank you very much. They say im bad for the jews sometimes. Im jewish, which is not a complimentary. Youre bad for everyone. That makes me feel better. I cant give a snide comment about you. Im giving you a stay. Up next, new comments this morning from treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin on tax reform. Please, please, i hope it comes with photos. But does he have anything to say about the criticism over this photo with him and his wife and the money. My god. Look at that. Keep it right here on morning joe. Videogame dance music [burke] abstract accident. Seen it. Covered it. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum if yor crohns symptoms are holding you back, and your Current Treatment hasnt worked well enough, it may be time for a change. Ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohns. Entyvio works at the site of inflammation in the gi tract and is clinically proven to help many patients achieve both symptom relief and remission. Infusion and serious allergic reactions can happen during or after treatment. 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Remember in march he said tax reform would pass by august. That didnt happen. But we did get a big milestone yesterday when the house passed their version of the bill, now of course as you know goes to the senate which is due to vote on their version of the bill a little after thanksgiving. There are some key differences and one that we are watching carefully is how the debate is going to play out over salt, the state and local income tax deduction, that goes away completely in the senate. In the house, you can keep a 10,000 property deduction. Also the individual cuts expire after a few years in the senate. So theyll have to reconcile the differences after the votes, but clearly theyve got some momentum out there. He didnt address the photo that you mentioned, the bond villain photo. But he did say that the millionaires are going to bear the brunt of the tax burden in this plan. I think it was her outfit which caused the viral photo. Anyway, beyond the tax reform, i do want to also mention media speculation is hot in terms of m a. We have learned here at cnbc two more suitors are emerging for to buy a majority of the business of 21st century fox and that includes comcast, our parent company, which owns nbc universal, and verizon. This is after Cnbcs David Faber reported last week walt disney was in talks to buy a majority of 21st century fox. The upshot, it does look like rue put murdochs media conglomerate is in play. And there are a number of interested parties. Not talking about fox news and fox business and fox sports, more the entertainment studio, the international assets, mika, and some of the other cable tv stations. All right, cnbcs sara eisen, fascinating. Thank you very much. As we go to break, a look at some of the stories expected to pick up steam today. Among them, the mounting worries on wall street over a slide in nfl viewership. 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The discussion we were having in the first hour of the show is important, everybody has to start to have. Not as much as look at that guy and what he did but all of us stepping back, all men, looking in their lives, everybody probably has done and said certain things, and the degrees now Going Forward, how do we behave in the workplace. How do we continue to have openness between the genders. Right. But at the same time understand the atrocities that have happened over the years and how do we behave better without throwing the baby out with the bath water. I feel like weve got to be able to have the conversation honestly without people running to their corners and taking sides and attacking. You know, i said a few things this morning and i went on twitter and everybodys like, youre mike pence. Im like, no, im just introducing ideas into the conversation. I know mike pence. You are no mike pence. But theres this lurch in this specific area of conversation on this topic to one side or the other, which is not good for anybody. And not good for making a better safer working environment, where men are part of the equation. Just as much as women. Men are required to take responsibility. But we have to talk to men and get them to talk back to us in order for this to happen. And its hard to have it. Final thoughts, it doesnt have to be about this. Just donald trump does a lot of things that are inconsistent, hypocritical. The notion he refuses to comment on roy moore and then immediately jumps all over the al franken news on twitter just strikes me as just ill lus strawtive of just incredible lets just call it historic inconsistency. Many problems. Brett. I think judgment and understanding different degrees of bad behavior is going to be very important and thats hard. And its hard but if this is all we learn about al franken, theres a universe of difference between him and Harvey Weinstein or him and a roy moore. Roy moore, so off with all their heads approach i think i fear backfires and is unjust. That being said, lets restore the concept of gentlemanliness to the center of male behavior. I love it. Theres a lot out this morning on the russia investigation and different angles there. Natasha, where do you see it going next . Im curious to see how trump reacts as to the investigation closing in on people like hicks, flynn. Is he going to try to muddy the water saying russia didnt really interfere in the election, is he going to kind of rile up support in his base so he has that buffer in case it does get dangerously close to him. And how far does that oath go that those are willing to take. That does it for us this morning. What a week . Happy friday. Stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. What a week indeed. Hi there, im stephanie ruhle. This morning, disturbing allegations against senator al franken. Globe i groping, kissing and a crude picture right there. I was angry. Anger was like kind of my first response. Like belittled. Ashamed. President trump weighing in, slamming franken. While staying mum on roy moore. But with less than one month until a special election, new polls show the republican candidate losing ground. And moore refusing to bow out. This