0 how low is it. according to a recent poll more of this country believes obama care has been repealed than have been able to sign up for obama care. [ laughter ] the whole point of websites is to design them so it is nearly impossible to not sign up for something. every time i go to amazon i'll mistakenly sign up for six seasons of "night court." are you sure you want to leave this page? yes. oops, it turns out i ordered something. >> good morning, everyone, it's tuesday, october 22nd. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have former communications director for president george w. bush nicole wallace. msnbc contributor mike barnacle. thought you were is going to colombia? >> i am. >> and in washington, pulitzer prize winning columnist and whitman songs. >> the president was pitching. giving out the 800 number. >> you hear what happened. >> he gives out 2800 number. >> stop it. >> they called 2800 number. they can't get through. people who get through -- you get through the first layer what do they tell them to do. go visit the website. >> you're on to something because amazon eventual carries everything so maybe amazon can start selling obama care. because in the beginning amazon only had a few products but now literally anything you want from anywhere else the amazon website is better. maybe amazon.com can carry obama care. >> we're not even talking about the final product. i ordered shoes on amazon. so people say but it's just shoes. right. we're just talking about the order. you can't even get through. >> do you think you can order another pair and at least stop? please. >> really quickly, mike. i want to ask nicole a question really quickly. if the president of the united states when your communications director goes out there and you write in there tell them to call this number and everybody calls that number all the news organizations and it's busy and it keeps staying busy and then when people get through go back to the website. i'm just curious, what would w -- >> not a good day to be the communications director who wrote that number into the president's remarks. >> how do they keep making these mistakes? >> well, again, i don't think they are solely communications -- >> hold on a second. i under your administration might have missed one or two things, a war, a hurricane. so don't tweet. that's why i go to you, you speak from experience. >> i have been to this movie where things go awry in the second term. >> we all understand, okay. iraq, katrina. she's an expert at this. >> you read them all last night. >> harriett meyers. what's when the communications director says do this and the president does that and then busy signals and three journalists that get through thank you for getting through, please go to our health care site, healthercare.gov. >> not a good day. the president, i'm sure is already very mad at his staff and everyone around him. but the fact that the clean up -- what they are trying to do now is cleanup a disastrous roll out because now that the shutdown is over people are focused on how badly this roll out went and the fact that they can't get the clean up right. >> you're coming in for a landing. you're having flashbacks to '05. it's bad. all right. mike, we'll get into this in a second. >> you know the problem when you call the 800 number and it's a call center in india -- that's where all the call centers are located. you call for a refrigerator you get somebody from india. >> they didn't do that. but they spent a couple hundred dollars on a canadian firm. >> your done? that was a great tease for a story we have a little later in the newscast. we'll start with the front page headline in "usa today," congress control may be up for grabs. according to a "usa today" princeton survey poll 47% of americans say congress would work member if every member was replaced next year during the mid-term elections. only 4% say congress would be changed for the worse if all members were replaced. the left think it would make no difference. the figure is similar to but higher than past election years when the minority party won control of the house. in 1994 when democrats lost control of the house the number was at 40%. according to cnn, 54% democrats think members don't deserve to be reelected, republicans, 75% think they don't deserve to be re-elected. just last week the cook political report said 14 seats that are up for grabs next year are now leaning democrat because of the damage done to the gop. so, obviously, some of these numbers, gene, are not surprising. what are the opportunities here? >> well, you know, the opportunity is potentially to take back control of the house, which did not seem to be even remotely in the cards for democrats, frankly, before the shutdown and this whole drama. and put it back in play, perhaps just as important it tends to take the senate out of play for the republican party and the republicans had a shot at it. this was politically a very bad thing for the republican party. but, there's time. it's a year and that's two eternities in politics so things can change. right now going into it this is not good for the republican party at all. >> i love escalating leading questions, we're asking in the polls how much do you hate congress. would you replace every member. would you put them in an unmarked grave. 47% said yes. we get the idea. no one likes congress. nicole, do you believe as a lot of people has said this has big impacts in 2014 or the other side of the argument is it will be forgotten by then and it will be about something else? >> i find the pace of the news cycle disorienting. if you remember 11 weeks ago all we talked about here for maybe a whole three years was obama's very muddled leadership on the red line he had drawn for syria. i think it's a little disorienting how consumed we get. i think nature of governing by crisis is you can't predict the effects on public opinion of these all consuming news cycles. >> think about it when people go to the voting booth. this is what we got to figure out as you're looking at this. think about the message out of the government shutdown. government doesn't work. right? >> right. >> this comes on the heels of syria and red line. nsa stories. the drone story that's come out this morning. the irs story that's come out. the ap story. the james rossen story. benghazi. there's one after another, after another, after another. >> the billions of dollars wasted by republicans shutting down the government. there's that too. the other side. >> there's that too. but it's so -- there are so many of these stories, though. the question is, why at the end of the day do people hold on to it. >> what conclusion do they draw? mika, i don't disagree with you about the effects of the shutdown but is it -- >> and on the economy. i was watching -- >> when was the last time that led the news the economy. >> i was watching my daughter's soccer game yesterday afternoon and a guy came up to me. he had a bad taste of having a 10-year-old on the other side he was cheering for. what do you think. we were talking at halftime. he's a business guy. he's always been republican. he said, i'm not supporting these people and my friends aren't supporting these people any more until they stop governing by crisis every two months. he was like i can't figure out what to do in the next three months, six months, nine months. that's another thing. >> if those voices rise up and the narrative that they string together is that this democrat led senate and democratic president have contributed to that economic insecurity or lack of ability to predict and make business decisions then that doesn't necessarily go towards the democrats benefit either. we're in a position where neither party should be resting on their laurels and heading into the mid-terms with confidence. >> but you have to ask yourself don't you, gene, the poll, the poll numbers we just saw is such a generic question, been asked for years and people answer the same way, i hate what congress is doing, they are ineffective, inefficient and yet they like their own member of congress and re-elect their own member of congress. >> that's the eternal result of those polls and as a result we get the same old congress. occasionally, though, there's a wave. and, you know, there was the tea party wave and before that there was the democratic wave and, joe, you came in on a wave. so these things do happen. >> amazing what waves bring in. it was great until we created another wave because we did what people just did a couple of weeks ago. >> did you get anything out of it? >> these are wave numbers right now. it's a long time but these are wave numbers. >> mika, if this was happening, if we have these numbers a year from now we can say with confidence that congress was going to get routed. >> i actually think long term there may be some opportunity if the party would actually take the advice of some of the people in it who like to actually win elections. >> i don't see that happening right now. >> i don't see it happening right now. i still see a complete and utter blindness among some members. >> when i see online over the weekend people actually at some respected conservative outlets saying the reason this didn't work was because the senate didn't stand united with ted cruz. >> do they not understand the process? >> it is such ignorance. it is such complete willful -- it's willful ignorance or they are lying, they are subscribers will get excited because even if they had stood shoulder to shoulder the president would have vetoed it. they couldn't have overridden a veto. they could never do a majority. they were never going to do that even if all the senators. so instead of saying listen we should have listened to you guys, we screwed up and lost 20 percentage points in our approval ratings and both the lowest approval ratings ever. they don't have to say i was right because i was or krauthammer or walker or tom coburn, all of us were right. the "wall street journal" editorial page don't have to say the "wall street journal" editorial page was right. just be quiet. you know, clean the rooms. learn from their mistakes and stop being stupid. i'm cool. let's just pretend it never happened and work towards winning next year. they won't do that. because now they are saying we were right, we were right. no they weren't right. constitutionally, the great irony of these people oh, i love the constitution -- why don't you just read the first three articles of the constitution and call me in the morning. review. >> mike barnacle. >> joe and nicole, who in the republican party has enough of a voice, strength of voice to stand up and tell people like ted cruz look at what we missed by doing the government shutdown. 'tlien. when the money people come in and say to some of these guys yeah i know you are ahead 60-40 but i'll come in and fund a primary opponent and guess what he's going to be pro life, he'll be pro gun, he'll be pro family, he'll be pro tax cuts but he's going to give a businessman or business woman who won't put a gun to my business's head every three months and i'll keep funding them. 30 second commercials against you. we'll gut you. that's when it has an impact. they are not going to listen to jeb. they are not listening to chris christie. they are not listening to anybody. >> what's clear is that people like ted cruz are not worried about what you're talking about. it's the republican brand. they are not worried about a national brand. ted cruz goes back to texas. we saw the pictures yesterday. his approval rating is 70%. he's not thinking big picture. >> this is about ted cruz and he had an interview yesterday and a lot of people didn't see it. he had an interview where he showed his hand for the first time where he said i know about negotiating. i wanted to take the hard line and then i wanted someone to come in behind me and take a more pragmatic position. he wasn't saying that on 30 second commercials and he was skewering a lot of people who could have been pragmatic and come within a deal in the middle. but i think you're going to soly see -- 8,000 people -- ted cruz didn't just want to be senator the rest of his life and knows he has got to make that turn. how do i know? i know. >> does he know he did damage to our country? >> no. >> does he know -- >> there are a lot of people that believe ted cruzzing brought this to the forefront. and our country is a big, resilient country. there are democrats and liberals that have done worse things to our country and managed to survive. so we'll survive like a shutdown. >> i don't think we can afford another one and we can't afford another government by crisis. everyone says it can't happen again. i want to know how it doesn't given -- >> better not. >> it's not the end of the world as we know it. it could be the end of the republican party's chances in '14 and '16. that's the thing. they are hurting themselves. i remember talking to one of my college professors and i was a huge ronald reagan fan and i made the mistake what do you think about reagan because reagan was way ahead of mondale. he said i think the united states of america is strong enough to survive even eight years of ronald reagan. i was so crest fallen but it was a revelation to me that he thought the world, gene, was going to hell at the same time i thought this was the greatest thing that had ever happened. for the country. and we will survive this shutdown or that shutdown but what so many of my friends on my side don't realize they are hurting themselves. we've seen this before some times. they are setting themselves up for a democratic monopoly in washington, d.c. in 2014. >> yeah. they are trying their best to take themselves out of this game. take themselves off the field and they are being egged on by some voices that either didn't exist or in previous times like this or that have changed like the heritage foundation, for example. which, you know, you would think ought to be coming out with those sort of reasonable policies. you would have expected heritage to be saying here's a republican idea for health care. here's our idea for something that's better than obama care and it would have assumed that we have a problem and here's a way to solve it. in fact they did that years ago and came up with romney care/obama care but they don't believe in that any more. they would have come up with something new. now they are one of the loudest voices thanks to jim demint and heritage which used to be a real think tank now is a shrill voice that's not happening. >> we talked so much and heard brilliant advice about your party we never got the obama care sound bites. that's too bad. coming up on "morning joe" the newest member of the msnbc family, ronan farrow will be here. also henry louis gates, peter baker and later michael hainey gives us a new look at the edition of "gq." up next the top stories in the political playbook but first here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> looks like that world series forecast for boston looks very dicey as we go throughout wednesday and thursday night. first, the cold air. we're tracking it through the great lakes. it's winter coat weather, jackets, hats and gloves all through areas from minneapolis to green bay. look at chicago this morning, 26. all of this is what's heading to the east coast eventually. now as far as the rain goes there's some in the southeast today, umbrellas needed definitely north florida, southern portions of georgia. not a huge rain event but dreary and a little bit on the cool side. heaviest rain moving into tallahassee, savannah, charleston for the afternoon. west coast you're fantastic. one more nice mild day here from boston all the way to d.c. and i mentioned that world series forecast. look at the temperatures in boston. the game will be wednesday evening and thursday evening. 50 degrees with drizzle around. during the game wind chills in the upper 30s. definitely cold. typical world series weather. east coast, everyone, enjoy one more mildish type day because that cold in the great lakes is heading your way tomorrow. you're watching "morning joe". the american dream is of a better future,