Strate strategy. And gay marriage is legal in a majority of the states. You may kiz the bride. Is it time for conservatives to sur rippeder in the cultural war. Im chuck todd and joining us is tom brokaw and Helene Cooper back from liberia, and the white house director under George Bush Susan Fagan and george bushs first press secretary robert gibbs. Thank you for joining me. This is meet the press. From washington, this is meet the press with chuck todd. And welcome and breaking news. A second case of ebola confirmed in texas. It is the first persontoperson transmission in the United States. Reminder, it is a Health Care Worker who treated thomas eric duncan. In a moment, we will hear from dr. Anthony fauci from the National Institutes of health, and first to mark potter who is in dallas covering the story. Mark, what do we know about when this Health Care Worker came into contact with the late mr. D duncan . Well, it sounds like the contact occurred on duncans second visit to the hospital which began here september 28th. The Officials Say they got the preliminary test results back late last night indicating that a Health Care Worker here at Texas Health Presbyterian had contracted ebola and further tests will be conducted by the cdc in atlanta to confirm the finding. The worker is said to have cared for thomas eric duncan, the dallas patient who died of ebola wednesday, again, on the second visit to the hospital. The worker are reportedly was wearing the protective clothing at a that time and considered low risk, but now has tested positive. The worker came in friday to the hospital complaining of a lowgrade fever, and was isolated and then sets a sud for testing. Treatment has begun. Currently, the officials are not releasing the patients name to honor the wishes of his or her family for privacy, but we are being told that the worker is in stable condition now, and that his or her apartment and car will be decontaminated by hazmat workers, that neighbors are being notified, that a close contact spern being isolated Contact Person is being isolated, and that the person will be monitored and to prevent the disease spread. And what about the hospital, itself. If this is a Health Care Worker who contracted it the second time mr. Duncan was there, and are there more Health Care Workers in the hospital to be put in isolation . They are already being tested. The Health Care Workers are among those being monitored. A group of 48 who may have had contact, and ten who are known to have contact with him after he became symptomatic, and they were watching the Health Care Workers, but what is of concern here is that this is considered somebody low risk, and somebody wearing the protective clothing and still got ebola which is a concern. The hospital, itself, is shuting down the e emergency room now, and the patients sent elsewhere so that the hospital can concentrate on this case now without having to deal with the other cases coming in, chuck. And mark potter on the scene from dallas. Thank you very much. Joining me now in stud e yistud Anthony Fauci from the nih. Again, a Health Care Worker with all of the precautions that the Health Care Worker was taken, and this is of greater concern because of the precautions taken . Yes, and what happened is an inadvertent breach in protocol. We dont know what that is . No, we dont know what that is. The cdc team is there to do two things to, find out what the breach might have been and to underscore the strict following of the protocol. We have had perience with ebola since 1986 with the groups such as Doctors Without Borders who almost never get infections because of the strict, strict protocol, but people are human and there is inaed a vernt breaches, and that is likely what happened. But you are aware of the protocols, and dallas presbyterian, and do we need to undergo major training at how many hospitals . Well, the training is there, and one thing that people dont fully appreciate is how you put them on and how to take them off. And the actual yes, the ppes, the personal protective equipment. When there are breaches, it is not frequently, and they have been very, very rare, but what happens is that someone is in a ppe, and they are fatigued and working for a long time, and when they take it off, they do something inadvertent like brushing the face. Wiping the nose. And i dont know how it happened, because the cdc is investigating, but that is likely what happened inadvertent breach. And the americans have been watching, and we have been telling them, we, in the media, and the medical community, and this is something that you dont have to fear, and ebola is not going to be spreading in the community, and now people are going to be waking up and say, and some of the fear may be irrational, but how do you calm it . Well, chuck, the importance is to emphasize the difference of the confidence that there wont be a outbreak which is fundamentally prevented by putting the patient in isolation and doing Contact Tracing to kind of get an umbrella around them versus unfortunate breach of protocol of a health kcare worker. We are quite confident of the ability to the reach out and do the Contact Tracing an isolate the people that are affect ed that we wont have a public outbreak, and that is different than an individual Health Care Worker getting infected. And now, talking about west africa, africa, and we have 4,000 case, and we are on the wrong side of the map, because there are more ebola cases happening, and each patient seems to cause more rather than less. What does it take to turn it around . Well, it is going to take a considerable ratcheting up of the resources put into it. The United States has essentially taken the lead, and we have 3,000 to 4,000 troops on the way to go there for command, control, engineering. We will be putting up 1,700bed hospitals, and that is in itself of the big picture not enough. We need a community of nations. We dont need one or two countries, but we need organizations, and nations, because no one country is going to do it alone. It seems as if there is this many nations are reacting the way we are seeing the Public Officials of some of them reacting here, no, no shut down the borders and the flights. Is shutting down flights a viable option some. It would be counter productive. We can understand how people might come to the conclusion, but when you look at what happens when you isolate a country, you diminish greatly their ability to handle their own epidemic. If that happens, it very likely will spread to other african countries, and the best way to protect americans is to completely suppress the epidemic in west africa and if we do that, we wouldnt be talking about that today. To isolate them with good intentions can be counter productive and make things worse. When should the public be concerned that this jumps, if it is going to jump and is in the caribbean and europe and what is your big concern about ebola moving out of west africa . Well, again, if it moves out of west africa like an individual person on a flight o going to the uk can or paris or dallas or coming to washington, the capability of doing the Contact Tracing and suppressing it will prevent an outbreak, whether it is here or in the uk or in the european country. Dr. Anthony fauci of the nih, thank you for coming in, and big breaking news. Of course, this weekend, jfk was the first airport in the u. S. To introduce screening measures for passengers from sierra leone and guinea and liberia and our own helene co cooper is here and she just went through the process in liberia. We want you to the tell us a about the process, because we know that jfk has started and four other airports, dulles, hartsfield, and newark and chicagos ohare is also going to the be doing these, but describe what you went through in leaving liberia. Well, it is, i came into dulles, and i the really interesting thing was that my time in, just getting into the liberian airport, you are getting the you cant even ep ter the grounds of the airport in liberia without getting your temperature taken. My temperature was taken three times at the Robert Fields airport before entering the gate. And there is a guard there at the place where i reside, and i had to wash my hands with chlorine bleach and you do that before entering any public building in liberia. Hayed to fill out a questionnaire which asked me in many, many ways if i had been involved with any ebola patients or burial ceremonies or body fluids or anything like that, and i said no, because i have been very, very careful over the two weeks in liberia not to touch anyone. And there is a new liberian handshake which is like this. When my sister dropped me off at the airport, i did not hug or kiss her goodbye. I got my temperature taken again before i went into the temperature nal, a nd termina there were people there with gloves and goggles and masks. And before they touched you they changed gloves . Yes. And sort of the hypokochondriac and the tis pags that of that, i felt my face get flush. I have never had any temperature taken so many times. And you have worked in the hospital in moments of crisis, both of you, susan is and robert, but even though the science says one thing, the public is fearing another thing. So, how do you handle that . Sometimes you to put in precautions that you know are silly. That is right. But it is really important, and this white house is doing it which is to not stoke the fear. Make sure that the public understands that our Health System has the xcapacity in plae to keep country safe, isolate the people who have contracted ebola, and that there doesnt have to be and wont be an outbreak in the United States. Robert, two types of governing, governing for the policy and governing to calm the public down. What you just saw is exactly what has to happen, a lot of public communication. At lot of telling people what we are doing to make sure that nothing spreads, and making sure that we are talking about to B Public Health officials not only to protect themselves, but how to get out of the protective clothing that helene had mentioned. And public communication is the best remedy at this point as well as bolstering the Public Health infrastructure. And tom, this has to take place hospitaltohospital, and now, what we saw dallas presbyterian here say, clearly as dr. Fauci says, a breech of t the protocol. Well, there is a lot of panic stoked by the concentration of the mass media on the cases that dont amount to much. My own judgment is that hospitals are making a real effort now to tune up their e. R. S and everybody is aware of it. The biggest test for america is isis frankly than ebola. We have a system in place, and a few deaths, and big, big crisis in west africa and the reality of the global world in which we live, but isis is out there and it is not going away and the system we have in place for dealing with it is going to take a long time. It is going to define the obama presidency, and a kind of papered up coalition as we will hear, a as we will hear from Richard Engel, it aint working. And helene, quickly, west africa, how desperate . It is bad. It is really probably one of the most intense reporting experiences i have ever had. The people are, there are so many stories going on about how, you know, you are not seeing it quite as much as people turned away, but it is these are places, liberia and sierra leone and guinea places just starting to come back from decades of civ civil war, aed on the have to deal, and you will see what is it like for this country to have to deal with two cases, and now, imagine 4,000 in these desperate k countries. 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New facelift effect makeup from olay and easy, breezy, beautiful, covergirl. Welcome back. Were fighting two wars, one against ebola and one against isis. That one, no one thought it was going to be easy. But its clear that a brutal and Healthy Campaign is just beginning. With isis continuing to make gains, many are asking whether the war can be won without a significant commitment of Ground Troops by the u. S. Or key allies like turkey. The First American bombs hit isis august 8. Now 65 days later, the United States and allies have launched more than 400 air strikes in iraq and syria. The goal. We will degrade and destroy isil. There are doubts about the strategy as isis continues its advance. Another key city on the brink of falling. The group is threatening to take kobani near the turkish border. Troops have been sitting on other side watching but not fighting. The u. N. Says thousands could be massacred if kobani falls. Now there are reports that isis is focusing on baghdad. The overall issue, the u. S. Underestimated isis and overestimated our allies. Our allies were the largest problem. As isis continues to gain ground, american air power is only able to do so much. I want to go to Richard Engel who is in Northern Iraq basically unofficially ku kurdistan. Were 65 days in. Is isis being degraded or are they moving forward . Reporter they do not seem to be degraded at all. At first, isis was moving toward baghdad when this crisis began earlier this summer. Then they shifted gears, moved to where i am. They started to attack kurdistan. The Bombing Campaign began. Now isis is once again focused on baghdad. It is having an impact in that it has forced isis to change their target somewhat. But its certainly not slowing down the group. The issue it seems to be in two fronts in iraq and in syria where it seems as if Ground Troops are whats missing. Are the iraqi forces not able to fight isis the way the u. S. Had hoped . And who is filling the vacuum in syria . Reporter there are enormous contradictions in the u. S. Strategy that are becoming more apparent every day. Lets start with iraq. Even though this is one conflict that has no border between it, we are artificially putting this border between iraq and syria. Lets start with iraq. The iraqi army is in no better shape now than when it collapsed. The new government is not instilling confidence in the people. Its not instilling confidence in the armed forces. The u. S. Spent years and years and billions of dollars to build the iraqi army only to watch it collapse and hand over so many of its weapons. Its completely unrealistic to think that now with a little bit of outside help and a lot of american good will that the army is going to fundamentally change and the Iraqi Government, which is really just a reshuffle of the same characters, is going to fundamentally change and suddenly inspire the iraqi people to be behind it. On the other side in syria, there are no allies on the ground. There are some kurdish militias. Were not even fully backing them. Were not consistently backing them. Richard engel, thanks very much. Stay safe out there. I want to turn to tom brokaw. You sat down with two of the biggest dignitaries that we have in the world of diplomacy, jim baker and henry kissinger. I was in berlin last week with jim baker and henry kissinger. We were there for the fall of the wall, which was 25 years ago. And because its the 25th anniversary, obviously, and because baker was receiving the kissinger prize. The world we have now, how do we deal especially with isis in the middle east . Ed. Tom, i think the only thing that offers much hope is if we could pull together a True International coalition of countries, we should go 100 all out to defeat the radicalism and the terrorism thats arisen in the middle east. But youre not going to get it done unless you bring the rest of the world together behind it. What is the role of our arab allies . Well, we have to our arab allies involved in the fight. But it cant be on a sectarian basis. The truth of the matter is that iran is very much opposed to what isis is doing. I wouldnt be at all surprised if iran was not helping us quietly deal with some of this. Secretary baker raises the possibility of iran becoming more involved. Our closest ally in the middle east is israel, obviously. Netanyahu does not pass up an opportunity to declare iran the evil empire. He is terrified about their nuclear capacity. As long as i iran is ruled as it is and based itself on a sectarian philosophy, we have to be careful. But basically, its a country. Iran, its a natural ally of the United States. Its the ideological religious component that makes it an antagonist. Do you detect, secretary baker when you come to europe or the middle east, a determination on the part of our allies to step forward and do all the things that were talking about here today . Or are they kind of leaning back and saying, let the United States take care of it . They have always said to some extent, let the United States take care of it. Nothing really happens unless theres United States leadership. So i think you see that today just as we saw it, frankly, during some aspects of the cold war and in the aftermath of the cold war. You ccan you remember a timey in your long reach and sense of history when the United States has faced simultaneously such difficult problems that really have no kind of antecedents . Borders, government and religious faith are all contested at the same time. The United States is an outsider. To maneuver between them is extremely difficult. There are hard choices ahead. Im frankly optimistic. I think that were i think that we will be able to handle isis. I think that i think we will find a way hopefully that we can relate to russia so that russia becomes once again a part of the community of nations. So im optimistic. I think the United States of america has faced far greater challenges in the past than we face today. Im joined now by susan rice, National Security adviser to president obama. Welcome back to meet the press. Good to be with you. Let me start to get your reaction to something that secretary baker said in the piece, which is he thinks iran needs to be part of this coalition of sorts. He didnt say part of the actual coalition but needs to be part of this fight against isis and he also hinted i wouldnt be surprised if they already were providing some help. Are they . No. We are not under any circumstance . We are not in coordination or direct consultation with the iranians about any aspect of the fight against isil. Its a fact that in iraq they are supporting the iraqis against isil. But we are not coordinating we are doing this independently. Our coalition is comprised of 60 countries. Our core allies in the gulf region of the arab world, most of our nato partners, many of our traditional partners from outside, including australia. Its a very broadbased, very comprehensive coalition that is come together to deal with the threat from isil. And its gratifying that countries from all over the world share the same perception of the threat that isil poses. Iran may or may not be among those. They are not a part of our coalition. Do you want to be engaging iran . We are on the on a separate issue. We have had informal consultations on the margins of the Nuclear Talks about certain regional issues. Theres no coordination. Theres no collaboration on the antiisil campaign. Considering whats going on in kobani, i know its still early, barely two months into the operation against isis. Right now does it feel as if were degrading and destroying isis . Yes, chuck, where he in the midst in the early stages of whats going to be as president obama has said a longterm effort. Lets recall what we are trying to do. We are trying to degrade and destroy isil and prevent it from having permanent safe haven from which it can conduct terrorist attacks from the territory of iraq or syria. This is going to take time. Our efforts have various different lines of effort, as we call them. On the one hand, were trying to build up the capacity of the iraqis, which means the iraqi army, the kurds, the peshmerga inside iraq who have over years atrophied. They have become more sectarian, less skilled in their ability to take the fight to isil. We are building up that capacity and we have seen some success in that regard. On the syrian side, we also have a longer term challenge of supporting the moderate opposition and giving them while they have great will greater capacity to fight assad and to fight isil. So this is going to take time. Our air campaign is off to a strong start. We have seen very important successes in places in the mountains where we were able to rescue tens of thousands of civilians at risk. And this is going to take time. It cant be judged by merely what happens in one particular town or in one particular region. This is going to take time. The American People need to understand that our aim here is longterm degradation and building the capacity of our partners. Lets go to one of the deputy heads there of the council said he made a request to the Central Government in iraq and potentially indirectly to the United States that they need Ground Troops in order to stop isis and whats going on. Has that formal recommendation made it to the president s desk or the pentagon. It came from an iraqi. To the Iraqi Government who wanted to ask the United States. There has been no no official that the United States put Ground Combat forces into iraq. Thats not come up the chain to anybody at the white house. I dont anticipate that it will, chuck. Lets be clear here. President has been very plain that this is not a campaign that requires or even would benefit from american Ground Troops in combat again. The iraqi Prime Minister, the government of iraq have said very plainly, they dont want american troops in combat. We are there to help build up the iraqi capacity to sustain their territory and to hold the ground. The implication is the iraqi troops arent working. Early days, chuck. As i said, they have atrophied over the years because the former Prime Minister maliki, governed in a sectarian way, turned the army into an army for part of iraq rather than all of iraq and has squandered equipment and training. We have a lot way to go with the new Iraqi Government to build back that capacity. But lets be clear, we experienced during the course of our tenyear military commitment in iraq that once we leave and eventually we all will and have to leave, that if the iraqs arent willing and committed and able to sustain the gains, then they will be fleeting. This time were doing it differently. The iraqis have to be in the lead. They to have the capacity and the will to hold territory against isil on their own. If they cant . First and foremost, they are going to be threatened. But thats why we have placed such a premium, chuck, on taking the time to build this capacity. Its not going to happen overnight. But if it isnt achieved, nothing is going to be sustainable. People need to understand, there will be good days, bad days, victories and setbacks at the iraqis themselves take this fight to isil. Lets go to turkey. The president has said he will not commit forces until he sees a strategy xthat combats isis ad ass assad. Is that something the United States would consider reassessing the syrian strategy to get the turks more involved . Lets be clear what we hope for and want from the turks and other members of the coalition. We have not asked for the turks to send Ground Forces of their own into syria. Our interest is in the following. First of all, the turks have in the last several days made a commitment that they will in the first instance allow the United States and our partners to use turkish bases and territory to train. Airspace . To train the moderate Syrian Opposition forces. So that is a new commitment. They have now joined saudi arabia in giving the goahead for that important contribution. In addition, they have said that their facilities inside the turkey can be used by coalition forces, american and otherwise, to engage in activities inside the iraq and syria. Thats a new commitment and one that we very much welcome. Were continuing to talk to the turks about other ways that they can play an important role. They are already essential to trying to prevent the flow of foreign fighters, prevent the Syrian Opposition in the form of the radical Syrian Opposition, the isil from exporting oil through turkey. Turkey has many ways it can contribute and we will talk to them about that. The concept of a buffer zone or nofly zone is something that turkey has been interested in for almost three years now. We dont see it at this point as essential to the goal of degrading and ultimately destroying isil. But we will continue to talk to the turks and entertain any specific proposals that they may have. Right now are you reassessing the strategy or no . No. This is very early days of the strategy. The strategy is very clear. We will do what we can from the air. We will support the Iraqi Security forces, the kurds and ultimately over time the moderate opposition in syria to be able to control territory and take the fight to isil. We will do our part from the air and in many other respects in terms of building up the capacity of the iraqis and Syrian Opposition, the moderates. We are not going to be in a ground war in iraq. Its not whats required by the circumstances we face. Even if one were to take that step, which the president has made clear we are not going to do, it wouldnt be sustainable. We got to do this in a sustainable way. Are you convinced kim is still the leader of north korea . We are watching. We monitor it with great attention. We have not seen any indications of a transfer of power at this point in north korea that we view as definitive. We will watch it carefully. Susan rice, National Security adviser to the president , thanks for coming on meet the press. Gay marriage is becoming legal in more and more states. 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[ applause ] it has been a big week for gay rights and couples across the country have been tieing the knot after a series of Court Rulings made samesex marriage legal in a majority of states. Many republicans have reacted with anger. But there are voices within the gop going, its time for the party to accept that the culture wars have been lost. We have a threefold primary responsibility. Get them save saved, baptized, registered to vote. From the time of reagan, the religious right has been a force inside the gop. We have a breakup of our families. We have a breakup of the moral foundations of our nation. In 1988, Pat Robertson stunned the nation with a second place finish in iowa. The power of the evangelical vote caught the gop by surprise. Conservatives were given a bigger platform four years later. Theres a religious war going on in this country. Its a cultural war as critical to the kind of nation we shall be as the cold war itself. Bill clinton won the 1992 election but accepted a string of concessions on social issues over his two terms. Dont ask dont tell, defensive marriage act and welfare reform. In 2004, republicans drove a wedge between democrats on religion, abortion and gay rights. If you believe marriage should be protected from activist judges, i would be honored to have your vote. Ballot initiatives banning samesex marriage were proposed in 11 states. They passed with an average of 70 of the vote. Illinois state senator obama, who supported samesex marriage on a questionnaire during his 1996 campaign reversed course during his 2004 u. S. Senate bid. We have a set of traditions in place that i think need to be preserved. Im gay. But the cultural change over the last decade has shifted the landscape on marriage, more than any other issue. Big smiles. This Weeks Supreme Court action or nonaction on marriage produced a laude silence. Ten years ago you supported a federal constitutional amendment on marriage. Do you still support that . It was the when i was chairman of the Republican National committee, it was the platform called for a federal marriage amendment. As chairman, i stood for the platform. You personally dont support im talking now about my policies. Now its democrats wielding social issues on the trail and republicans on the defensive. Prime pro choice. I support continued funding for planned parenthood. I believe the pill ought to be available overthecounter, around the clock. All of this is frustrating prominent social conservatives. At that point, you lose me. Im gone. Ill become an independent. I will find people who have guts to stand. Im tired of this. To understand this battle inside the gop, im joined by two journalists who cover the Republican Party, david brody and kathleen parker. David, when you hear mike say what he said, and you have talked to the prominent members of the evangelical movement, they dont like the surrender that many republicans indicated this week. They dont like it at all. What politicians see it as a political issue, gay marriage. They see it as a principal. Thats the difference. Is it a political issue or a principal . There was a conservative author and historian who used to say politicians basically are actors performing a script that is written by the audience. And look, the audience here are evangelical christians who are not voting. Not voting . 30 million evangelicals voted in 2012. You believe theyre not voting . 80 million evangelicals in this country. That puts 50 million on the sidelines. Kathleen, i will show polls here. The stuff has moved whether its on abortion, whether its on samesex marriage, whether its on marijuana legalization. The culture wars have shifted to the left. Many republicans are trying to acknowledge that general public shift and yet its going to cause heartburn. Well, i would characterize things slightly differently. Whats going on within the Republican Party i think is sort of a its not so much a transformation as a reformation. I think what they are trying to do in terms at least among those who are more accepting of these changes is were not i dont think the republicans are so much changing their core values as they are sort of trying to change the way they approach things. It mirrors whats going on in rome right now with the senate, the pope is trying to figure out how to do affirmative things for families and the party is trying to figure out how to do things affirmatively without being condemning, without being judgmental. Is there a Movement Among evangelicals to accept samesex marriage and promote family . Well, i wouldnt call it no. Theres not a movement necessarily. There are bits and pieces, small blocks here and there. Thats not the movement. Actually, the movement is quite the opposite. Theres all these pastors and pew events where people are speaking in front of these influential evangelical crowd. I think that really is the movement in this country. The question is, can these christians actually go ahead and vote finally because quite frankly as much as the Mainstream Media wants to talk about, look, evangelicals are voting they are always voting. Not necessarily, chuck. Kathleen, he ticked off a whole bunch of potential president ial candidates. This is going to potentially become very public inside the Republican Party during the battle in 2016. That seems to have hurt republicans at least with swing voters. Well, absolutely. I think that there will be less look, samesex marriage just to take one issue has never been as potent as something as like abortion. Abortion will remain a litmus test i think for any republican running for a national office. Thats going to be problematic in the general. I think you have to keep paying attention to what republican leaders, other than the ones you mentioned, are talking about. If you read the republican the op ad in the wall street journal last week, they are talking again about reforms that steer away from the wedge issues and focus on how can we help families with tax reform and things like that. These guys, they are not going to like this . They are not going to like the way they see the polls. Here is the thing. Judicial activist is a big part of this. This is the way republicans, especially politicians in powerful seats in washington, can kind of get around this issue. You go to judicial activist, i mean marriage but im not saying it. Thats part of it. There are a lot of battles within the war. The next battle is on religious liberty as it relates to pastors speaking out from the pulpit. Think about this. If pastors are actually speaking from the pulpit against gay marriage, a hate crime potentially, is that the next wave . Thats a battle that hasnt been waged. If republicans dont win the senate, there are going to be leaders that say, its because democrats won the culture wars and democrats used cultural wedge issues to win. The democrats need these cultural wedges more than the republicans really do. Total flip. Think about where we were a decade ago. The republican candidates out there are not bringing up these issues. Democratic candidates are and forcing them against the wall, making them take a position on thi things they dont want to talk about. Unfortunately, so many are not very good at articulating in a compassionate rational way. Its too much of an emotional thing. Quickly, david, how much do you think marriage is going to be a litmus test in iowa in 2016. Definitely. Theres no question about that. A pro samesex marriage republican nominee is that possible . I dont think so. No in the 2016. A lot of people fighting against it. Its an interesting platform. David, kathleen, thank you both. Up next, by november 4th could be independence day. I will explain why the fate of the senate might not be decided by democrats or republicans. Time for for cnbcs executive week ahead brought to you by comcast business. Earning season ramps up this week. Due out big banks like city group, j. P. Morgan chase, its about the economy and Interest Rates thursday when four Federal Reserve president s speak. Two apple events. Speculation new versions of the ipad could be unveiled thursday while the iphone 6 goes on sale in china friday. Thats your cnbc executive edge. The 2014 midterm focus was about whether the democrats hold on to the senate or republicans take it. While we wont have that answer until election day or maybe a few months later, here is one thing we know for sure. Voters are frustrated and fed up right now with both parties. In our last poll, 68 said they would accept new people with few ties to the political process. With that in mind, lets take a look at our map this year, the senate map. Not long ago, it looked like this. Assuming republicans held their two competitive races, georgia and kentucky, three of the six seats that republicans were going to need seemed like total shou shooins. Look how independent candidates are shaking up the republican map. Now an independent candidate now leads the incumbent pat roberts by ten points. Lets assume he wins and worse Case Scenario for the republicans, he caucuses with way democrat. It changes the numbers and republicans need four to take control of the senate. Well, theres new chaos in south dakota. This democraticheld seat is being shaken up. Republicans looked like they had it in the bag. Recent polls have shown that we have a threeway race, the democratic nominee, an independent and guess what, both of those guys could end up k caucusing with the democrats. Look how the map changes again. Suddenly, republicans need to win five of the remaining Six Competitive races in order to get their majority. Theres more to this. There are thirdparty spoiler candidates who could have a different impact on the campaigns and where a vote for them is none of the above, which could ultimately help the democrats or the republicans to victory in tight races. Listen to this guy. I really didnt want to do this. I cant stand the idea of walking to the voting booth and seeing the democrat and the republican on the ballot. Thats a pizza delivery man for the u. S. Senate in north carolina. He has 7 of the vote in a recent poll, enough to swing the election by siphoning votes. Its the same in florida. People are fed up with the negativity. If that happens, look at what it does to the race if this guy stays in double digit. Hurts the incumbent republican here. Here is the bottom line, this is what we are learning. Its an angry electoral there. They are mad at both parties. In these races, the thirdparty candidates will make a bigger difference come november 4th than we thought. More talk with our panel on this and the we have seen our borders ignored. So if someone with ebola wants to come to the u. S. , just get to mexico and walk right in. We have an Ebola Outbreak. We have bad actors that can come across the border. We need to seal the border and secure it. Thats one of the republicans why i have been adamant about closing our border. People are coming in from normal channels. Can you imagine what they can do through other borders . We know the saying is all in fair in politics. As you saw there, politicians arent being shy about pushing the panic button. Our panel is back to discuss. Sarah, robert, you are campaign advisers. I understand the politics of fear can be good but it can be irresponsible. It can. And this Ebola Outbreak is a serious National Security issue that particularly political elected leaders need to think very carefully before they make statements like that. I was going to say, you think that making statements about oh, my god, ebola can come across the border through mexico is a little bit irresponsible. I think its irresponsible. I would take it a step further. Its also wrong. Sure, the United States government should take precautionary measures at our borders. Unless you are planning on eliminating all flights into the United States, you cannot contain the risk of the spread of ebola. Think about it. You are going to build a wall in mexico but then people will tfl all over the world . One of the reasons republicans are going to this issue is they want to keep nationalizing the election. The more nationalized, the better for republicans. Do you buy that . I think so. We see the inconvenience of having an election during a Public Health emergency you call it an inconvenience. Im being sarcastic there. We have to be careful everybody has to be careful about what we say to enter that into the political sphere is potentially a mess. I think it has the real chance of turning off independent or voter tha ers are going to say, crazy. That could help somebody else other than the republican in that race. One of the reasons why politicians have felt so comfortable playing this fear card is the media has gone right in. They have. We say they. I just said to one of our producers, if you had a false ebola scare in a super 8 in dallas, would you give it three minutes. The fact it, it doesnt deserve three minutes. We need to get clarity in what we are dealing with about how its transmitted. Are the Emergency Rooms prepared to deal with patients who walk in with symptoms . Many of them are not. President obama has put it on the agenda. The Healthcare System in the country is responding quickly with our national cdc and others. They are very aware of whats going on. What helene did was a Great Service going into west africa and telling people what its like when you get there. So this is a National Unifying issue that ought not be a partisan issue. This affects everybody here. We need to deal with it. Helene, you were talking about the protective clothing issue and it was you have been champing at the bit to explain. Here is how protective clothing could actually be a problem. Explain. I dont think i was looking at this texas case, the second case and the reports say that this texas Healthcare Worker was wearing protective clothing. I think its just important to remember that one of the things about protective clothing is that you have sto be careful ho you take it off. Its not to go into a room and you come out and you are safe. When you take it off, you have to make sure you bleach and color natu chlorine is used. We need to be rational about how we discuss this. We need to be rational and we have an election coming up in three weeks. Good luck. Thank you to everybody today. Busy morning. We will be back next week. Three sundays until the election. If its sunday, its meet the press. Fire and ambulance. Somebody has been killed in front of me. Who kills a man that is mowing his lawn. We had no idea what was going to happen. When there were three, four, five, it was clear something surreal was happening. That message was, you give us ten million, well stop killing people. There were so many days we felt we just cant solve this. Its getting really, really personal now. We had multiple shootings and no suspect