Witnesses spoke to reverend clementas cousin described in chilling detail how the 20yearold roof walked into the bible study, sat among the members for nearly an hour and then transformed the place of worship into a nightmare. He asked for the pastor, wheres the pastor . They showed him where the pastor was. He sat next to my cousin, reverend Clementa Pinckney throughout the entire bible study. She said he reloaded five different times. Her son was trying to talk him out of doing the act of killing people. And he just said i have to do it. He said, you rape our children and youre taking over our country and you have to go. A man identifying himself as roofs uncle told a producer late today that the alleged shooter has made their life a living hell. He said, we didnt see this coming, we had no clue. And i will say this i hope he gets whats coming to him. They got his ass now. Not only has he destroyed nine peoples lives and his own, hes destroyed his whole family. I hope he gets whats coming to him. We woke up today and so we have some grieving to do. And weve got some pain we have to go through. Parents are having to explain to their kids how they can go to church and feel safe and thats not something we ever thought wed deal with. Having said that, we are a strong and faithful state. We love our state, we love our country and most of all we love each other. President obama bore the burden of the nations consoler. Any death of this sort is a tragedy. Any shooting involving multiple victims is a tragedy. There is something particularly heartbreaking about a death happening in a place in which we seek solace and we seek peace. In a place of worship. While the president struck an emotional tone in that address, by one count this is the 14th time hes had to address the country after a violent shooting. Ive had to make statements like this too many times. Communities like this have had to endure tragedies like this too many times. We dont have all the facts, but we do know that, once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. Craig melvin is in charleston right now. Thanks so much for coming on tonight. Youve been covering this story. Give us a sense of perhaps what we cant see or havent heard on television, what it like down there where its happened. You know, chris, when i got here this morning shortly after the suspect was apprehended in shelby, north carolina, you can almost sense this palpable sigh of relief. There had been a number of folks who gathered on the corner. Were go a block away from mother emanuel where the shooting happened last night. This is a community that has been dealing with a great deal lately. As you know, the Walter Scott Shooting. Just less than two months ago. Thats not three, four miles from where we stand right now. So charleston has had a lot to deal with but it has been reassuring to see and hear from so many folks who insist that this city is going to bounce back like it always has. And the church as well. Church leaders are adamant that not on will they bounce back but they will be worshipping in that sanctuary on sunday. Theres a vigil that is set to take place starting at 8 00 eastern at a nearby church, were told thats going to be an interdenominational vigil. Folks will gather, there will be words and prayers and then they are going to march to mother emanuel and lay flowers down in front of the church in a show of solidarity in this community, chris. You know, why dont you react to what im thinking, im with jay robinson and hell be talking in a minute. It not like a police abusing their authority in a violent way. The reaction doesnt seem like something that will cause rioting or looting. It seems like a different kind of wound in our society. The person who did it, did it. We didnt all do it. But theres Something Like this that comes of us. Look at this kid. I mean, i dont know how you can get that angry at this kid. Its like who is this idiot . And whose parents does he have . And what did he watch on television . Where has he been getting this stuff from . And yet we know this racism, this hatred and bitter White Supremacy is still around i guess in the air somewhere. Hes got some apartheid arab emblems on him, something from rhodesia on him. Its a strange kind of wound. What do you make of it . Chris, ill tell what you it feels like in a lot of ways. I was at newtown several years ago and i remember being there in connecticut and talking to folks and you just got the sense that this was just one of those things that are off limits. I think weve probably become desensitized unfortunately to a great deal but this, this is not certainly that was fathomable to a lot of folks. Heres the thing, not only did he, you know, shoot up the church, heres a guy who according to folks who were inside the church, he sat with the parishioners for 45 minutes to an hour, presumably praying with them, maybe reading the bible, doing who knows what, sitting next to the pastor, at the end of this Prayer Service on wednesday night, thats when he stands up, he opens fire and he has to reload five times. I mean, this was clearly, clearly something that was planned, clearly something that was premeditated over the next few days and week, well learn more about the suspect. We do know there was a drunk charge earlier this year, a trespassing charge at a mall about two hours from here in columbia, he started the ninth grade in high school, he had to repeat the ninth grade. We have not been able to verify whether he finished high school. There had been some contact with family members earlier today who perhaps understandably did not want to answer questions today. What would motivate someone to be this angry and this filled with hate and rage to walk into the church . Six women, three men, three of the nine victims were over the age of 70. There was an 87yearold woman shot dead in a church. Thats unthinkable. Thanks, craig melvin. Youre understanding as best i can understand anything these days. Mourners gathered at a prayer vigil in charleston where South Carolina congressman jim clyburn delivered a message of resilience. Here he is. This church, our church, is built from the rock. And no messenger, no act will ever destroy the foundation of this church. Congressman James Clyburn, i respect you so much for what youve been through and here this comes, these older people getting killed by this premeditated decision by someone who walk into getting the welcome of the church, taking that welcome and using it to kill people, including the pastor. Well, thank you so much for having me. You know, this community has responded to this tragedy in a way that should make all of americans proud. Last night we saw the police chief not hesitating to call this crime what it was and it is a hate crime. The mayor of the city responding in a way that allowed an atmosphere to be created. Today at the vigil, all of the participants conducted themselves in such a way as to say to this perpetrator and any of his sympathizers that might be out there, that we are not going to allow the Foundation Upon which this country, this community and the church is built to be rocked by this kind of behavior. So im very proud of the way things are transgressing and i would hope that everybody would see this as a galvanizing moment for all of us to come together and find the good that can come out of this evil act. There is some good that can come out of it and im hopeful that this community will move forward achieving that good. Thank you very much, congressman James Clyburn of South Carolina. Before his death, pastor Clementa Pinckney had described his church as a beacon for america. Many of us dont see ourselves as just a place that we come and worship but as a beacon and as a bearer of the culture and a bearer of what makes us a people. But i like to say that this is not necessarily unique to us. Its really what americas all about. Eugene robinson is a columnist with the washington post. He grew up in South Carolina. This is so close to you. Yeah, it is. I grew up in orangeberg but we have family in charleston. Thats where my mothers side of the family is from. My great, great grand great great grandfather had a place not far from there. Its a very prominent church, big, high steeple, founded in the 1816 by people of color and for enslaved africanamericans to worship. One of the founding members of denmark veissi, who organized would what would have been the biggest slavery volt in the history had it gone off. It was discovered the day before. He was captured and executed as were 34, 35 other people and angry white mobs burned the church down. In retribution. It was rebuilt but then a law was passed outlawing black churches in South Carolina in 1834. How did that square with the First Amendment . Not very well. 1864 and 1865 the congregation had to worship in secret. It was clandestined and could only resurface and rebuild in 1865. The original building after the burning came down in an earthquake in i think the 1880s, that building dates to 1891. And its a magnificent building. Huge, beautiful sanctuary with stain glass window. They were in the middle of a Fundraising Campaign to build an elevator for the church because an obvious problem for older parishioners just to get up into the sanctuary because its on a do you think this is like a purposeful location for a crime like this, a mass murder . Remember the guy who shot his way into the Holocaust Museum . He absolutely chose the highest profile back church. He chose the pastor, Clementa Pinckney, who is a very prominent not just clergyman but political figure in charleston. He was making a statement. By the way, that name pinckney, the name pinckney comes from a plantation owner who was a signer of the declaration of independence. Sure, charles. Charles pinckney. Thats how slaves got their name. Exactly. Im willing to bet that the pinckneys were here a lot longer than the roofs. Someone at nbc in washington said why is this considered a crime of terrorism . Hes basically saying black americans go away. Look, i would consider it a crime of terrorism. I consider it an abomination. Im not passing angry yet. Theres more than a whiff of White Supremacy in the air. Its still a stench. Its fainter than it used to be but its there. And somehow he breathed it in. He was in an environment in which, you know, this became meaningful to him. So how did that happen . And how did he get the gun . Ive seen it reported that he was given the gun by a parent, a father perhaps, someone gave him a gun, knowing that he was a troubled kid. So why do you give him a gun . You heard president obama speaking almost with resignation about guns. Yes. So thats what i wrote about for tomorrows paper. I wrote about guns. It is what all these incidents have in common. I dont know how to stop hatred, i dont know how to stop mental illness, but we do know how to restrict peoples ability to get guns. We know how to do that but we wont. We dont. Someone was saying today on i think one of the networks that people should have guns in church so they should defend themselves. What do you have to holster up, put your gun on to go to church . Thats odd. Anyway, i do think you got something on the atmospherics. I thought when kennedy was killed down in dallas that time in 63, i thought it was an atmosphere there, even though he was a man on the left and i was on the right, it was atmospheric. 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This is unfathomable and an unspeakable act by somebody filled with hate and with a deranged mind. In charleston to have a horrible, hateful person go into a church and kill people there to pray and worship with each other is something that is beyond incomprehensible. Welcome back to hard ball. As the mayor of charleston just said, the actions of dylann roof are beyond comprehension. Was he crazy, is he crazy or just very angry . Deranged . What is it . Where did he get these ideas about testimonies and why did he sit in church with them for an hour before gunning them down . Im joined by San Bernardino and a former state prosecutor. You look at the aggravating factor, multiple murders, kidnappings, how many apply here . There are several that might apply. One is possible kidnapping, depending on how the facts develop and what he told people inside the church. Probably the best one is the most applicable is the fact that he killed a number of people, nine people. Multiple murder like this in this situation, thats the main one Going Forward. Whats the prevalence of the Death Penalty down in your state . South carolina uses the Death Penalty quite frequently. Our last execution was about a year or two ago, but the population tends to short the Death Penalty, prosecutors tend to be for it. I think its very likely youll see a Death Penalty prosecution in this case. And you have the chair and you have lethal injection, right . Yes. It only lethal injection, is that it . The way it works on the execution is that the jury and the jury alone will have to make the decision whether life or death is appropriate after hearing all the evidence so the jury will actually make the decision, if it comes to that, if they convict him and i cant imagine they wont. But if they do, the jury will make the decision, not the judge. Okay. A photo of dylann roof from his Facebook Page show as young man posing with two distinct patches, one is a flag of the apartheid of south africa and the or is the flag of rhodesia. How do you look at it now . Theyve got the guy, they have the suspect. Before i answer, i just remember what Bobby Kennedy said. You idolized him, too. Where he wrote about violence and lawlessness and racial division. He said lets dedicate ourselves to what the greeks wrote so many years ago, to tame the savages of man and make gentle the life of this world, let us dedicate ourselves to that. Thats something that it just hit me, just interview after interview today, when is it going to stop . With regard to your question, though, and thank you for letting me just entertain that. He not on can face the Death Penalty under South Carolina law. There are at least two federal statutes he can face the Death Penalty for. One is the code that deals with church arsons. If you kill someone while theyre exercising their religious belief, you can get the Death Penalty under federal law. Also under the hate crime act when i was enacted in 2009 and became operable in 2010, for intentionally selecting his victims on the basis of race, he can get the Death Penalty for that. So hes in deep trouble. The on thing that i could think could possibly save this miscreant would be an establishment of legal insanity but i think theres going to be a tough time for that because he premeditated with these folks, he planned, he was there for an hour and it seems to me that he at least had evidence, conscious of knowing right from wrong and knew the consequences of what he was doing. How do you respond to all that . Do you think it likely the federal authorities will claim him as a defendant, rather than allow the state authorities to take up a murder case about him. If i had a better the state hats far more experience here. We do carry out executions and it did happen in downtown charleston. There is a federal angle here but clearly hes very much in the clutches of state law right now. Theres just no question about it. The aggravating circumstances are clear. It looks like Going Forward this is going to be a mental state case, this is going to be about psychiatry and psychiatrists. He may not be insane but the Supreme Court of the United States has bent over backwards and properly so i think in general, to allow people who are subject to the Death Penalty to present every. So we know who did this. The answer to the question, does it involve some kind of mental disease or disturbance or some kind of organic disorder . Thats the only way they have to go here. Look, the unabomber, we have the aurora shooter at the movie theater. And sanity is a very difficult threshold to reach. And neither the unabomber or its not about and sanity. It not about insanity. I i understand that. They also allow mitigating circumstances, having been involved with Death Penalty cases involving extremists for instance, i can tell you that its going to be tough but it not impossable. These guys generally are an amalgam of chaotic experiences, cases and motive. What we often find is some angle on this. Juries i dont think in a case as horrific as this this is the worst racial mass murder that weve seen in many years. And the one or thing i want to add, we saw something in mississippi with a racial homicide where the feds came in and prosecuted even after the successful prosecution on the state side. Theres no double jeopardy prohibition in the United States against both a state trial and a federal trial, even if theres a conviction or acquittal on the state side. Brian levine, thank you very much. Mr. Shealy, thank you very much. If i had a vote, i would argue for even if the state does the first prosecution, id argue for a federal prosecution because would i argue that this is a crime against the nation. It a crime against us, a crime against our values. Sounds like robbing a gas station, though that could be just as horrible in its reality. I do think you have a major point there. Well be right back with more from charleston in just a minute. Covering these mass killings down in charleston last night. Were back with more breaking news. Im joined from charleston by Jennifer Barry hawes. Youre reporting for tomorrow. Is there something that were going to develop in the next 24 hours, the motivation, the atmospherics to get in the suspects head . I think well be hearing more and more about what kind person he was, hearing a lot more about his background and other runins with the law he might have had. Well be hearing a lot more about the victims. In charleston its something weve all been waiting for all day. Who were these people, they obviously were all part of a bible study at the church. We want to know about who they were, what their backgrounds were and what exactly happened inside the church of course. I understand there was a business meeting that they conducted earlier in the evening and most of the people left and this bible study remained, 12 people, 9 of whom are dead. Well be looking to find out more of what happened in the basement of the church. This is done so particularly that all the shooting victims are dead. Isnt it true there are no wounded survivors . I mean, he killed everybody he shot at. Right. Thats our understanding as well. I spoke to a woman who in turn had spoken to the trustee, who the gun man had told im going to let you live so that you can share the story of what happened in here. And that woman reported that the two other survivors had played dead. So it sounds like they were not shot themselves but rather escaped because they had the wherewithal to pretend theyd already been shot. Let me ask you a question about the mood down there, in the black community and North Charleston and all of that area. Nobody talks about when theres a police abuse, a killing. Theres no talk of social unrest, getting angry at society, at the establishment, it different. It seems from here to be different. How would you describe the response from the community . I agree. I think the community in Something Like this is much more knit together, the outpouring is more consistent across all walks of life, all denominations. In charleston we seem to see huge outpouring from all kinds of churches and all kinds of people. I think its actually something more that brings the Community Together despite those differences, unlike and youre referring to the Walter Scott Shooting recently which created more of a divide. I think that one because of the video that came out allowed the community to have a much more unanimous response, at least in terms of seeing that the the horrors of shooting a man in the back as hes running away. I think that in fact in some ways have provided a somewhat unanimous spot. But this tragedy, i think theres a consistent feeling that this was one person who committed an evil act and not some sort of societalwide commentary. I was really taken with your governor nikki haleys emotion on that. You dont fake that. That was real. That was a persons reaction to a wound to a society. I like to see that nonpolitical reaction. I shouldnt say that. Im impressed with every print reporter i meet these days, its a dying profession. Our coverage of the horrible massacre continues after this. Welcome back to the coverage of the mass consider in charleston last night. The ame church has a long history when it comes to civil rights. This was a place of worship founded by africanamericans seeking liberty. This is a church that was burned to the ground because its worshippers worked to end slavery. There were laws banning all black church gatherings. They conducted in secret. When there was a Nonviolent Movement to bring our country in line with our highest ideals, leaders led marches from those steps. This is a sacred place in charleston and in america. Its congregation dates back two centuries. In 1822, one of the churchs founders, denmark veissi, was caught trying to organize a slave rebellion, they were executed. It was called the mother of emanuel church, it continued to play a role in the civil rights movement. Dr. Martin luther king, jr. Spoke there in 1962. Im joined by South Carolina state senator marlon kimpson. Give us a sense of the historic importance that it was at this church with this mass set of executions was carried out. Well, the fact that we had a shooting in a church, americans woke up in great disbelief. Theres a real sense of hopelessness, a real sense of mourning, but ironically theres also a sense of encouragement. Today at the prior vigil, there were people of all gender, all races, all ages, all committed to make Race Relations and concentrate on the things that divide as you priority in the state of South Carolina. It isnt like one of these police situations, is it . Well, no. Because i can tell you i travel from columbia, the state capital, where i was in the General Assembly yesterday during session, last night i went to the command center when i arrived in charleston and Law Enforcement agencies from across the state, theres fbi, there was the city of charleston, the county, north charlton, the county council and a large number of Law Enforcement agencies and elected officials across partisanship lines all at the command center trying to man the tip lines and get information. And obviously you know the criminal has been apprehended but the whole city of charleston was focused on that last night and we came together and just thankful to good that we caught him. Pastor wesley, youre a pastor so you know all about this. This is part of your world and also part of the history of this country. Where black people could go, sanctuary, its called a womb, sometimes its a place to get away from the law, get away from white people who were who is still in some cases. The church, businesses, newspapers, all of that came out of the black church and its always been a critical place for us to proceed with race locations in america. So what happens when this kid goes into the church on purpose, an historic spot, and uses that to do his statement, his terrorist statement . It always backfires. Its a mean, horrific and evil act but it does galvanize people but we do have to ask that question and secure the resources, the parishioners who come and need to know theyre in a safe place. When we return, well talk to two straight legislators and friends of pastor pinckney, the leader of mother emanuel church, he was killed last night by a killer. Oh, i dont know. The apocalypse . Were fine. I bundled renters with my Car Insurance through progressive for just six bucks more a month. Word. Theres looters running wild out there. Covered for theft. Okay. Thats a tidal wave of fire. Covered for fire. What, what . All right. Fine. Im gonna get something to eat. The boys kind of a drama queen. Just wait. Wheres my burrito . [ chuckles ] worst apocalypse ever. Protecting you till the end. Now, thats progressive. Heroes charge explosion hah explosion lead your heroes in the hit mobile game download heroes charge now just moments ago we received these pictures showing suspected Church Shooter dylann roof arriving at the Charleston County detention center. The official confirms his arrival but cannot confirm roof will be placed in an isolation cell overnight. Not yet. His bond hearing is set for tomorrow afternoon at 2 00 p. M. Well be right back. Were back. Joined right now by former state representative sauers. You knew the wellknown reverend. He was an impressive speaker. Thats all i could tell by watching the clips today. Well, thank you for having me, first and foremost. But senator pinckney was a man who lived by his faith. Senator pinckney was a man who had a baritone voice, it was so deep and eloquent. I oftentimes say that his voice was so deep because he was speaking for so many of the unheard. All i can think about today to be completely honest with you are his two daughters that on sunday will not be able to fix their father breakfast in bed on fathers day. This is a tragedy. This is one of gods strongest warriors that hes taken back home and for me to know him personally and serve with him, our state has had a great loss. Let me ask you about the mood down there, trying to capture it from up here. I always like to know what doesnt show on tv. Whats not showing about this down there thats not getting across in words, as you know . The first thing is this is not an isolated incident. Well call this what it is, this is domestic terrorism. This is racism at its worst. But even more importantly, this is a community thats been hurting. This is a state thats been hurting. And we have to come together to move forward. Mr. Matthews, we have nine people to bury. Were grieving for nine different families. You want to know what angers us the most is that today the state flag is flying at halfstaff. Today the United States of america flag is flying at halfstaff. But today the Confederate Flag still flies as high as it did whether it was placed in front of the capitol and i believe that speaks for itself. Is that still an antagonistic symbol to me . For me it is. I mean i think about the nine people who died yesterday. I think about henry smith and samuel smith who died february 8, 1968. I think about medgar evers and emmett till. I think about although heroes and sheroes upon whose shoulders i stand today and i fact that im 30 years old and have seen so many bloodshed and im so weary and so tired, i want people to come together and that flag represents the complete antithesis to bringing this state and this country together. Why do you think the whites still want that flag . I think that was a false general statement you just made. Its not that whites want this flag. I think that there are a few people in this state that hold steadfast to it. There is no doubt that it is a part of history but that history, like most, belongs in a museum and not flying and being disrespect in the face of many who fought to achieve equality and justice and peace. I stood with a very strong gentleman, vincent shaheen, as i ran for Lieutenant Governor about eight months ago in front of that flag asking for it to come down. There is a whole new generation of blacks and whites, theres a whole new generation of democrats and republicans who believe that flag should come down. Im going to get every ounce of my being to move our state forward and im going to give every ounce of my being to take that flag down. Keep us in your prayers, please. Of course. Well be right back after this. Clock. Eight oclock pop. Nine, ten Eleven Oclock twelve oclock pop were gonna pop around the clock tonight. Pop in new tide pods plus febreze a 4 in 1 detergent. Now with 24hour freshness. We just got the booking photo of shooting suspect dylann roof. There it is. Much more next on all in with chris hayes. Good evening from South Carolina. Im chris hayes. There are nine people who are murdered inside the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church here in charleston last night. Cynthia herd, 54. Manager of one of the busiest branches in the Charleston CountyPublic Library system where she worked for 31 years. The library will be renamed in her honor. Reverend Daniel Simmons sr. Died in the operating room. He was 74. Retired in 2005 as Charleston County director of the Community DevelopmentBlock Grant Program which funds affordable housing