Air strike killed the leader of a Somali Terrorist Group affiliated with al qaeda. He once vowed to follow in the foot steps of bin laden and it looks like he did. Thats what president obama was working on while some were just criticizing him. Thanks for watching. Im al sharpton. Have a great weekend. Hardball starts right now. The pressure builds. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington. In a few minutes were going to get to the latest on the mystery plane that crashed off of jamaica. Well jump into Hillary Clintons announcement today that shell decide after new years whether or not to run for president. News that could influence democrats and republicans hoping
to beat her in the 2016 contest. And now that secretary clinton set the shot clock, if you will, well ask now a male candidate should debate a woman candidate. Are there rules . Well give you the latest in the investigation surrounding new jersey governor Chris Christie. What will be the impact of yesterdays big guilty verdict on the former governor of virginia. We begin with president obamas challenge to europe and the countries of arabia to go to war with the islamic state. Does this mean we wont act against the beheaders if they dont . Or are we doing things, sending in special ops teams that the president doesnt want to go public with yet. In wales today the president said he was working on building a Broad Coalition and ruled out u. S. Boots on the ground in syria. Our goal is to act with urgency but also to make sure that we are doing it right. Its not going to happen overnight. We are steadily hoving th in ing this in the right direction. We are going to degrade and
ultimately defeat isil, the same way we have gone after al qaeda. We have been very systematic and methodical in going after the organizations that may threaten u. S. Personnel and the homeland. And that deliberation allows us to do it right. But have no doubt we will continue and i will continue to do whats necessary to protect the American People. How i hate that word homeland. It is pure neocon talk. Chuck todd is moderator of meet the press and political director for nbc news. You are interviewing the president for meet the press. Congratulations, you will be a bold moderator for that historic program. What can you tell us as a reporter that might be between the lines of what the president said today in wales . How does it work . If we wait for the saudis, the jordanians, they may never act. Is he going to act alone if he has to the president to go after isis . Well, he already announced we though he has part one of the coalition. He has the western parties that agreed to go after isis or as the administration referred to him as isil. He talked about the next step. Whats the next gathering of World Leaders . Its at the General Assembly of the united nations. I think thats where they believe they will get the arab thagss on board. When you hear this talk he ruled out bootings on the ground of the United States. But they are not ruling out the idea that youre going to need boots on the ground to deal with isis in syria. Its clear that the United States wants it to be saudi boots or jordanian boots. Doesnt want it to be United States boots on the ground. So thats another couple of weeks of putting the coalition together. At its best, this looks like an
administration after a president seemeded a little bit nervous about how to go about this, how aggressive to get. They decided to go the bush 41 route. Think jim baker in 90 where he built a Large Coalition to go after saddam. Thats what they want. They hope to get one. I had a snarky email from a viewer who said, you know, the United States gives a lot of military support to saudi arabia. Are they ever going to use it . Why is it the United States that has to use their own military even after the United States sends so much military to these chris and allies. Its a little snarky, but you understand. Im with you. The president is channelling the same war fatigue thats in the United States saying we know this is a problem. We dont want to keep doing it by ourselves. Would he have answered a direct question if one of the reporters got to him with a question that said do we or do
we not have special ops teams, contract workers now in syria going after isil . Would he have answered that question negatively . I dont think he would have answered it. I think there is a lot of occupation going on. I think he would have focused the question more on iraq. Theres been hesitancy about the syria aspect of the problem. When asked about it, he talks up the potential solution they feel they have put together in iraq with a new government, with the reinforced Iraqi Military that might be able to deal with the threat in a more direct way. Its the syria aspect of this thats seemed to knock him a little bit for not a loop but hes been cautious, reluctant the. Its clear his team made the decision. They have to go after isis in syria. Its not the United States. Its not going to be just western powers. They are going to do it and try to build the Large Coalition so that it is essentially sunni states perhaps that are going
and doing this on the front lines with the support and the assistance of the United States military. Youre going to be on pitching mound against the president the this weekend. Whats your best question . Well, do i give it away now . Do i say it here . Ill be honest. I think the first question is a simple question. Are we at war . Isis is at war with us. Are we back on war footing . This is a president that wants us off war footing. Now i feel hes trying to prepare the country for going back on war footing. Maybe similar to with al qaeda, a different type of war footing. Thats what it feels like. Is that what hes trying to prepare the country for . I think it is a basic question a lot of americans have. Do you think he feels the pull on him from the American People who want, to use a phrase, a captain kirk and not mr. Spock . They want somebody controlling the ship, not somebody telling us which way it should be going. Does he know the disconnect is
there . Does he care . Look, this is not who he is. The American People elected him because he was not a guy who saw everything in black and white. His rise was because he did see gray. Now the criticism is he sees too much gray. There is too much nuance. I think you see it does feel like from an outsider perspective watching this that his entire National Security team has been publically trying to push him into this position. Hes there now. Think about joe biden and his rhetoric, chuck hagel, john kerry. They seem to be this a more aggressive place about isis than the president himself. Its not as if the president doesnt they agree on going after him. Hes just so weary of opening up the syrian can of worms. We should stop using or ma ge
don talk, homeland. Dont say that. We know where we live. Good luck, chuck. Break a leg this this weekend. Thank you. Chuck will interview the president of the United States this weekend. It will be his debut chucks, not the president s on meet the press this sunday. The president ruled out u. S. Boots on the ground in syria saying the International Community needs to do more to help moderate Opposition Forces in syria. Lets watch the president now. We will not be placing u. S. Ground troops to try to control the areas that are part of the conflict inside of syria. I dont think thats necessary for us to accomplish our goal. We are going to have to find effective partners on the ground to push back against isil. And the moderate coalition there is one that we can work with. We have experience working with many of them. They have been, to some degree,
outgunned and outmanned. Thats why it is important for us to work with friends and allies to support them more effectively. Joining me is brian katoulis from the American Center for progress. How do you get others to do the fighting . There hes talking specifically about the Syrian Opposition against assad and the islamic state, isis. For the last couple of years we have been providing some form of support. So have the saw disand the qataris. Its going to different factions and isnt organized. I hope hes talking about getting boots on the ground, more organized and the network behind him. They know the sunni tribes which could be the anvil against which we hit the islamic state. Doing it is easier said than done. Saudi arabia doesnt like qatar. They dont coordinate. Its not 1991. It is 2014 and these countries are often at odds with one
another. The Syrian Opposition against assad and isis is in disarray because oil rich countries have squandered money and weapons themselves the last couple of years and havent organized the effort. I hope the president is saying lets get it organized better. Chuck talked about the president taking step one and getting europeans behind it. I would say thats an optimistic view. The president really only said he faced no pushback. Its important that some of the nato ally partners joined us. Theyre not fighting. No, they are not. Lets talk about what kind of fight it is. We talk often in homeland. You were mentioning these comments. We use the word war like a traditional combat here, conventional military fight. Its not. The intelligence networks, the types of operations that we have seen in somalia earlier this week. Thats the sort of fight. I think what they talked about at nato is the intelligence on
the networks that include 12,000 foreign fighters. Its a different we are not talking about fighting the state though it calls itself a state. Those guys marching in the black uniforms with black flags. Are they foreign fighters or syrians . I cant tell from the to. Its a mix. What we know is there are 12,000 from either the region, 3,000 coming. My point is we often talk about where we bomb. Can we get intel, can we contain them . I hope thats what hesing about in forming a coalition. Wearing those uniforms they should be easy to spot. They dress like darth vader coming to town. In thes last week or so we have done aerial surveillance. We need good intelligence on the ground. It took two months. Politically we have to stop the beheadings. We cant watch that every two weeks. Well have you back many times. Coming up, Hillary Clinton start it is shot clock like in basketball. Shell make a decision about running for president in the first of the year. Thats coming up in the new year. So the timetable is set for a democratic contest. There are new developments many the George Washington bridge lane closure a year are afterward. They were closed a year ago. Somebody yelled shut up to the police there. They werent supposed to talk about what was going on. Whats going on now . Thats what we want to know. What does it hold for the future of christie . And the debate between u. S. Senator kay haguen and republican challengerer thom tillis showed, i think, how a man shouldnt run against a woman candidate. Here is tillis. Thats reality, math, something kay needs to accept. The answer leads me to believe she hasnt been in North Carolina much lately. Kays math doesnt add up. What a sarcastic being. Hes sniping at the United States senator calling her kay as if they are buds. cause this work . Finally, let me finish with the decision by organizers of the st. Patricks day parade in new york to allow gay groups to join in. Thats a great decision. This is hardball, the place for politics. Chael looking good trying to keep up with you i told my producer karen that i take metamucil because it helps me feel fuller between meals. Its just one small change that can help lead to good things. Now shes breaking up with the vending machine. Nope. I call that the meta effect. [ female announcer ] 4in1 multihealth metamucil now clinically proven to help you feel less hungry between meals. And promotes heart health. Experience the meta effect with our new multihealth wellness line and see how one small change can lead to good things. [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. She can print amazing things, right from her computer. [ whirring ]
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april or may. They will wonder if we have a candidate, who is the candidate. Sthek anoups in january but not start going to iowa, New Hampshire all the time until july or august or much later in the year. Your thoughts, jean . I love all that. I think she had to do it for the party. The party needs to know shes in. If theres a notion she may not run, she cant wait until april or may. Then leave somebody to start from scratch at that point. Its too late. I agree. Shell be attacked anyway. Might as well prepare herself. There is in a modern campaign so much work that has to be done in building that broad base, the email bases and building out the computer infrastructure. Its a lot harder to build a modern you need a war room are. Right. One thing youre right about is when she was getting hit during the book tour she had people from the Publishing House but they wont help her politically. She didnt have thor war room with Stefan George stephanopoulos and carville batting them down. There is always an outside thing that joe biden may figure his last hurrah. It seems when she announces this in january she will announce shell run probably. We all think it probably. Does biden athouns bf that or does this shut him off and he says, well, i can wait until january. If he waits he wont run. He wont announce after she announces. Your thoughts about the interest aring scrabble over whos first. My understanding is biden is unlikely to run if hillary does, period. If she waits until april he could maybe rumble. By her talking about january, that closes the door. Joe biden had trouble raising money in 2008 when he ran. If donors know Hillary Clinton will announce in january im not
sure who will say money will buy or join the staff in december if they know hillary will announce the week after and shell be ahead by 70 points in the polls. Who does she want to run against . My hunch is she wants sparring partners. Hold a convention in new york and be crowned . Thats too much, i think. What do you think she thinks . I think it would benefit her to have some kind of primary early in the book tour she stumbled on many questions. She was out of practice on gay marriage. On the rechbs to wealth. Her language wasnt sharp. It wasnt ready for the campaign trail. To have a sparring partner would be good. Preferably from her left so she looks for centrist. Bernie sanders. That would do the trick. A real socialist. Im not knocking him. He is one. He doesnt have a super pack. Hes not running. Its that simple. Martin omalley from maryland. Hes trying to raise money. Brian shh wietser . What are you hearing, perry . The names i have heard are oh oh omalley, like gene said, Bernie Sanders and jim webb is making a lot of flirtations about running as well. The people i have talked to, their view is they want someone to run because they want to have debates, want to practice. They dont want someone who will attack on the 1990s or talk about Monica Lewinsky a lot or make it a personal campaign. They want an opponent to be above the fray and make it issues only as opposed to any kind of personal thing. Where do you find opponents like that . The this is 2015. Where do you find nice fellows like that . I dont want to say anything about the secretary. What kind of candidate is that . If you look at the lineup perry listed, jim webb is the
most interesting one. Sure. He can do income inequality with a lot of authenticity. What do you make perry, youre in florida. I hear jeb is running. Mitt is making noise running oped pieces. Looks like the field will be crowded on the republican side. Maybe 8 or 10 people. Across the board including maybe even huckabee. I hear everybody wants to run. They must think its worth it to run against hillary all of the sudden. I dont think its worth it as far as hillary. The real story is how far marco rubio and Chris Christie have fallen. A year ago we thought those people would be strong candidates and clear the field in some ways. And do a really good job. Now it feels like anybody can win. I think jeb is too establishment for the party. He hasnt ran in a long time. It will be a free for all and they will try to announce early. Some republicans might be on the ground in iowa january third or so. This is a full sprint. Its not clear. This is the wide nest a long time. There is not really any favorite i can see. If i were a republican i would go for it. Paul ryan could run as well. A lot of people think they can run win the general or they wouldnt be running. Hes right. Anybody could win this. If hillary makes the call in january, that will turn everything on. That means Chris Christie has to make a call. They have to get in the game, start raising money and building a machine. Do you think there will be distance between Hillary Clinton after she comes out of the convention and the republicans come out . Will there be a widespread between her and the republican candidate. On what issue . The matchup. On the matchup. Wide spread coming out of conventions . Right now hillary is running
strong. Anything can happen. Perry, what do you think . Close one . Polls are showing right now that hillary was high for a while. Now the republicans are back to normal. Back to the normal view that hillary is a politician. The polls will be pretty much tied at the end of the convention times. I think so. The country is tieded. It comes back. Yes. Women will be concerned about the first woman president. There will be guys on the wrong side of the issue. A lot of guys will vote and not tell their wife how they are voting. It will be tight as a drum, i think. Perry bacon, jean cummings, thank you. Have a nice weekend. Up next, dick cheneys knee jerk obama bashing gets him a knock down if his home state of wyoming. Thats ahead. As we head to break california governor jerry brown leads the challenger by double digits. They met last night for the lone debate. If you had a choice between fighting for civil rights of
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year ago today set off a legal and political domino effect in the christie administration. The bergen record says the Police Officers were told to shut up by high level officials after they raised alarms about the scheme they saw being undertaken. The record ares reporting is based on the string of Police Testimony provided to new jersey lawmakers investigating governor christie. It reports during the closures a Police Officer radioed that the closures were creating Hazardous Conditions on fort lee streets. Shut up, a Port AuthorityPolice Supervisor at the bridge allegedly replied. The officer was visited in person by two officials to reinforce the message to shut up. To date the new jersey lawmakers heard public testimony from six key witnesses including top aides to christie himself. The legislative committee is not the only investigator on his tale. The attorney in newark has a
grand jury devoted to the bridge br closures. The Manhattan District Attorney opened up his own investigation to several matters surrounding Chris Christie including a 1. 8 billion transfer of funds that may have been to plug a hole in the states infrastructure budget. The securities and Exchange Commission is said to be investigating whether or not the Governors Office misled public bond holders in documents to raise money for infrastructure projects. Christie has denied doing anything improper in all of the cases. Steve kornacki and mr. Wiznowski, give us a sense of what you see operating in your committee and also in the various criminal investigations surrounding the governor. These reports of the Port AuthorityPolice Behaving badly are really troubling. When you have a traffic jam as monumental as you had at the George Washington bridge, you
would naturally think Police Officers would run to aid motorists and try to clear up the problem. What happened here is you have an officer trying to do the right thing and being told by his superiors to shut up and not do anything about it. Whats troubling is it appears the hierarchy in the Port Authority police had some level of understanding or complicity in the attempt to conceal what was happening. So it was all coordinated. Somebody at the high level knew exactly what the mission was here. Was to do what . How else thats the answer to the question. What did the police do. We need the opportunity to interview ms. Kelly, mr. Step yan, mr. Wildstein. They have sought refuge in the fifth amendment to not incriminate themselves. But who gave Bridget Kelly the authority to close the lanes . What gave the Police Officers who now seem to have had some
level of involvement in this, what gave them the authority or belief that it was okay to shut down this whole thing to make sure there was no Public Comment . Steve, you have been out in front on this from the beginning. We rely on you again tonight. Whats the likely route for any investigation or possible prosecution the bridge, the skyway, the diversion of funds or what looks to be pressure on the mayor of hoboke n to approve a Water Front Development by the governor. You are looking at three things. The expectation is when it comes to the closures, the bridge shutdown itself you talk about different principle players, kelly, wildstein, bill baroni. Within the group of four people the expectation is at some point in the probably not too distant future there will be indictments whether its all four, one of the four. Indictments, plea deal. There will be a shake out from the bridge deal. When you talk about the reporting thats come out as a
result of the scrutiny thats going on with the land deals that the Port Authority was involved in you have questions about David Sampson, Chris Christies confident, chairman of the Port Authority, whether hell get into legal trouble, something the federal prosecutors indict him on over the stuff that came to light. As you say the issue with the mayor of hoboken. Allegations she lodged could involve David Sampson as well. Whether there is a shakeout, thats the tough es one to tell. The key factor is so much had to do with the decisions made in the u. S. Attorneys office in this u. S. Attorneys office is the complete 180 degree opposite of the office under Chris Christie. It is opaque, difficult to get a read on. You have seen a lot of false starts in terms of reporting. People who think they have a clue whats going on. It hasnt turned out that way. You know, i worked in politics for years. You always knew what the boss wanted done. He rarely told you how to do it, but you knew what the mission was. Thats why you worked for the
person. Right. How does Bridget Kelly stop bridge traffic across the hudson river, interstate commerce shut down. If thats not a mission set by the governor who did set the mission . Thats my question. Did this employee, this nonelected person come up with the idea we are going to shut down traffic between new york and new jersey . We are doing it for a month. Its not believable, chris. You know how the Governors Office works. People arent freelancing, trying to guess what the boss wants. They are following direction given by their superiors, they are given instructions and understand what they are supposed to do. We have been asked to believe Bridget Kelly woke up and decided it might impress somebody if she closed the lanes. David wildstein thought it might perhaps get him a promotion. The reality is i think a little different than that. The fact is that somebody gave Bridget Kelly a specific or an
implicit instruction that this would be a thing to do because somebody thought it would be helpful or accomplish something. What we dont know is what they were trying to accomplish. We know what the effect was to put fort lee into lockdown for four days. Well continue to look at the facts and try to get the answers that the public deserves. Let me go back to steve. Outside the orbit here. Its all context. Anybody in Public Office who wants to face a jury now must be crazy. It seems to me the juries arent in the mood to assume laxness and, oh, thats just politics. I dont think that old attitude, i grew up in a big city, thats the way politicians behave, is acceptable anymore. If i were christie i would be worried about the jury. The Justice Department just took looked at the beginning like a risky shot at a former governor, bob mcdonnell. It was a risky case and they won. If the jury had not come back like they did, would it make the Justice Department more hesitant
to go into the matter of Chris Christie or did the win on the board, they are not looking at going 0 and 2. I agree. There might be a link even if just psychologically between what we saw yesterday in virginia and new jersey. The one thing i would say when we tack about Chris Christie is the key when you Start Talking about legally and Chris Christie is can it be proven in a court of law, proven even to the point of indictment that this guy knew ahead of time were was involved in covering this up. The only thing we have seen now that seems clear to me is that Chris Christie had opportunities to know. Okay. Will willful ignorance. Never forget the judges instructions. Circumstantial evidence is good enough. Thank you for coming on again. Up next, perils for male candidates running against women candidates. Exhibit a this weeks debate in North Carolina in the u. S. Senate race where the republican challenger repeatedly sniped at
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comments. I was a Vice President at a bank. I wrote billion dollar state budgets in the state of North Carolina. I understand math. Even when i was a teenager i worked at my dads tire store and didlayaway for people buying tires. I understand math. Anyway, one North Carolina reporter wrote, tom tillis stopped just short of calling kay hagan little lady. Anyway talking down to your female opponent may not be the best strategy. Remember what happened when Vice PresidentGeorge Herbert walker bush attempted to explain something to his rival back in 1984. Let me help you between the difference between iran, the embassy, and lebanon. Iran, we were held by a foreign government. In lebanon, you had a wanton terrorist action where the government opposed it. Let me just say, first of all, that i almost resent Vice President bush, your patronizing attitude, that you have to teach
me about foreign policy. Kasie hunt is msnbc political correspondent, Jonathan Capehart is an opinion writer. Let me help you with your answer to this. I think he learned that from roger ailes because roger ailes got him to say, let me help you with that one, pierre. I will say, on the senator hagan and tom tillis, i mean, he couldnt address her that way on the senate floor if he were to actually get here. I mean, senator reid got in trouble for that for addressing any senator, male or female by their first name. Its disrespectful. Use some psychobabble if we have to, we all use it here. Was he using that to put her down, showing he was so unempressed with her personage that hed dismiss her . I think its odd. I call every senator senator unless they tell me not to. The only guy who ever told me not to was pat moynihan. The rest of them said, call me pat. Theyre always i think you give the person their title. After all, hes going for that title. In part of the clip you
showed, he addressed her at senator hagan. He did do that throughout the debate, sparingly, but the thing, the reference that he made, the very first reference to the senator in his opening remarks was, kay hay. That, to me, struck me, whoa, thats unbelievably is that her nickname . No, i think he maybe just made it up. But, to me, it struck me as disrespectful. And probably just set the tone. He just came off as rather highfalutin, smug, and probably trying to prove that, oh, im not impressed by you, im the speaker, youre just a senator whos lost touch with the constituents. He took a shot once or twice but kept taking the shot, its only a 45minute plane ride, im sure kay hagan has been down there an awful lot the last six years. The idea shes never been to North Carolina like its billions of miles away is ludicrous. Well, its such a fine line, too. As weve seen in the other clips you showed, this can really backfire pretty easily on a male
candidate who comes too close to that line, and remember, Hillary Clinton and here it is. Thanks for queueing it up. Kasie, here, heavy handed tactics can backfire as you said, kasie. Back in 2000, republican congressman rick lazio crossed into Hillary Clintons debate space pushing at her a sign to, as a campaign pledge. He wanted her to sign, like divorce papers. Watch this. Im not asking you to admire it. Im asking you to sign it. I would be happy to when you give me the signed letters right here. Right here. Sign it right now. Well shake on this, rick. I want your signature because i think everybody wants to see you signing something that you said you were for. Hes leaning into her. Lazio in a 2008 interview called it a mistake saying even when your opponent is as tough as nails and no way theyre going to be intimidated by a challenge or comment, the audience may not see it that way. Jonathan . Right, no, thats absolutely right. I think he probably thought he was doing the right thing. I remember watching that debate at home in new york and the more i watched that particular clip, the more uncomfortable i got. I wasnt afraid that he was going to do something to Hillary Clinton. I wasnt afraid that Hillary Clinton couldnt hold her own. But the optics of it was really, really bad. People pick up on the type of what are the rules . Miss hunt . Theyre always evolving, right . I think in the larger picture here, and youll hear both democrats and republicans talk about this, this is the kind of thing that discourages women from running for office in first place. Really . And one of the things they talk about as far as one of the main reasons why there arent as many women members of congress as there might otherwise be is because they dont step up in the first place. They have trouble recruiting women to run. So you see these kinds of situations where, you know, theyre having to stand there and respond to someone who is sort of trying to knock them down a peg. I mean, why would that be whats the reaction, if you were running the ad, working for senator hagan, would you run that guys, tom tillis, speaker
tillis performance in the ads . Run ads and say, this is no way to treat a person whos a senator . When its that behavior youre using against him . I dont think so. I mean, its not like George Herbert walker bushs treatment of geraldine ferraro. He said afterwards, i kicked her ass or something. Its unbelievable. Im thatsorry, thats what he s he did. If i were kay hagan, i wouldnt use that in an ad. To answer your question, how should a male candidate treat a female opponent . Look to Vice President joe biden and his debate with sarah palin. Thats how you do it. Treat your opponent with respect. Thank you, kasie hunt and Jonathan Capehart. Well be right back after this. Eachwont have a claim. Wners thats why allstate claim free rewards gives you money back for every year you dont have one. And why if youre part of the other 5 , allstate offers claim rateguard. So your rates wont go up just because of a claim. No matter what comes your way, your home protects you. Protect it back allstate Home Insurance from an allstate agent. Machines will be sprayed to be made. And making something stronger. Will mean making it lighter. One day, factories will work with the cloud. One day. Is today. Sweets become salaries. An oven heats up a community la cocina, a small kitchen that kickstarts the careers of 41 entrepreneurs. They bring the talent. We help fund the tools. Its a small way we help thats been huge for the community. Little by little we can do a lot. Because. Small is huge. Visit www. Wellsfargo. Com to see how big small can be. [meow mix jingle slowly anright on cue. Cks]
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