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Flipped, the mooueller team mad it clear that they wanted information on potential collusion of trump and the the russians meaning it is not about paul man na forth and to be clear, nbc does not confirm this, but we know that mueller is using gates to tie the campaign directly with the russians, and we showed you on the program this new court filing that gates is saying that gates was directly communicating with someone who had ties to the mueller a administration. And so gates had no choice but to flip, a san diego this information coming from directly are around someone around gates . That we dont know, but we have hints of the other angles that he is investigating. Today, a trump ally was detained at boston airport, and asked about contact with, yes, roger stone, and with wikileaks coming amidst other reports that mueller is asking about contacts of the russians and the Rnc Convention and the trump team. And this is having investigate r for thes worried that trump could lash out and try to get mueller fired. I think it is obvious that he would like to fire him, and whether he will or not is the core question. The president s abrupt resent k actions in dismissing the v. A. Secretary, and the secretary of the state and other key cabinet members means this is something that he is likely to do. You go up to bed at night worrying that the president is going to try to fire the special counsel. Are yes. And i am joined by a columnist for the Washington Post. And maya, when you see this report that we have not confirmed, but credit where it is due, and cnn says that the sources prove this, but it seems that bob mueller did not need rick gates to get to paul man fomana for manafort and what you believe it is gates flipping on somebody other than paul mab na for manafort . It suggested that there was more there that we didnt know, and couldnt know, and this may well be what that thing is, which is that you try to, and you always, the whole kind of the argument about well, we still need to figure out whether there is a connection directly to donald trump, and the crimes that are alleged against paul ma manaare fort are not crimes connect ned to the election, bu we know that Paul Manafort headed the campaign and ensuring that donald trump came out of the Republican Convention the victor, because remember, there was an insurrection that the republicans said never trump and at the same time meetings happening with the russian, and now the question at the convention, including the ambassador kizly yak, and now the question of whether there was some information, and that some platform item that russia did not like coming out of the platform at that convention, and actually suggests that there really may be a way in which this is always the plan, and that it is always going to get mueller much closer potentially to getting manafort to cocan operate operate. Right. And eugene robinson, it is certainly fair for people who are loyal to donald trump to say that Paul Manaforts money problems dont reflect poorly on donald trump, but as a stand alone statement that is fair. But it seems that there is evidence that what mueller is probing is whether the money problems and the debt and the relationships with the ole gashgs and othgashg s ole gashg s oligarchs and could have reflected badly on donald trump. That is right, and the key words that you said are Trump Campaign, ari n that, and bob moo muellers charge as he appears to u understand it is to see if there was collusion involving donald trump, and if there was collusion involving the Trump Campaign. And if he is trying to the answer that question, and so, i never thought that he was going to sort of stop at Paul Manafort as being perhaps the closest he could get to answering that question. I think that he is going to follow every thread as far as it can go, and yes, this is the latest information about what he seems to want to know from rick gates is very interesting. We are getting the glimpses and peeks at this investigation, but of course, we cant see the whole thing, and so we with cant know, if it is the main part of the investigation or side thrust, but i think that we will find out. And the people who speak, speak for various reasons, and carter page has spoken and in many mediums including the repeatedly to my colleague chris hayes, but he does reeveal thins about the line of questioning which is incredibly tantalizing given that the mueller folksner talk, and here he was talking about the line of questioning to chris hayes. Has mueller and i know that you have talk ted to the fbi, right . Absolutely are. And which has been disclosed leaked to the Washington Post and that has been out there, yes. And so have they ever asked you about that meeting back in the rnc . I told them a lot of everything that, you know, that i have been essentially doing for a long time including obviously, you know, everything in cleveland, so. And so you did talk about that . Yes. Yes. It takes a minute, but gene, the key there is that the notion is that bob mueller is probing the platform change, and i will are say by the way as a political matter, and so we have been to our share of conventions, platforms are not typically considered the most important thing that happens there no, it is not. But if you are auctioning it off to the foreign government, it becomes more interesting, gene. That how you make a platform important and interesting is auctioning it off to the foreign government, and it is look, it is always a very curious change, right, because the republican party, generally more hawkish on the foreign policy, and many republicans have been sort of criticizing president obama for not doing more to counter the russian incursion into ukraine including providing heavy weapons essentially. And the text from fox news and while this is going on, we are seeing senator coons concern, and we know that andy mccabe, the former fbi number two, basically he was ousted and that is the biggest story that has not been explained because they have not released the report yet, but it is suggesting the sharpening of trumps attacks on the doj at a time that the legal are team is shrinking, and fewer people checking him and then clues on fox news where it is headed. Tonight, we will tell you who robert mooueller is, and he is carrying out a witch hunt. He is about as are credible as stormy to me. Bob mueller ruined the credibility of his own, and the integrity of his own investigation when he hired clearly a very partisan team. Robert muellers career has been anything but impeccable. Robert muellers career has been nothing but impeccable. And the fact that you are have fox news attacking a Republican Former fbi director who is actually deeply well respected by both sides of the aisle is actually shocking. It is an attack on a Democratic Institution that the exists to be bipartisan and bipartisan means that you have all parties actually represent ed on the staffing as muellers team has, and the idea that someone who has spent their career actually building a reputation as an attorney, as a pros ecutor, in upholding the law is someohow on a witch hunt when we have had no less than four indictments against people closely connected to not just the trump cam campaign, and in some of the instances to donald trump, himself, begs the question of whether we really care about the Democratic Institution, which is the fbi is a part of it. And i have to go, real quick, gene. And bob mueller is also a decorated veteran and the idea that he is some partisan democrat lefty, is the most ridiculous thing that anybody has hurd heard. It is absurd. And the question is who is left . It is him and rosenstein if donald trump is looking to work up to the top of the chain there. Gene robinson and maya wily, thank you for joining me e on this friday night. Coming up, i will show you how the trumps digital sencenter i front and center at this firm. I have two whistleblowers who i am interested to hear from. And also, how facebook profited overed human right, and my special report with all that has happened with facebook, i have not spoken out in detail, but i have a report about Mark Zuckerberg, and there is a new probe of bob mooueller into wikileaks, and if it is friday, it is fallback friday, and you are watching the beat on msnbc. Ocus, from the very beginning. It was always our singular focus, a distinct determination. To do whatever it takes, use every possible resource. To fight cancer. And never lose sight of the patients were fighting for. Our Cancer Treatment specialists share the same vision. Experts from all over the world, working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. Specialists focused on treating cancer. 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In a moment, you will hear directly from the cambridge wlisel blower testifying to the the British Parliament about the firms conduct. But first, this is what we know about cambridge in russia. Last fall, mueller had everybody turn over their data, and what we know is that he reached out directly to Julian Assange asking for help on working with wikileaks and the hillary are clinton emails, and mike flynn said that he is on the payroll of cambridges Parent Company which has a lot of unanswered questi questions. This firm, Cambridge Analytica is tied to the gop donor are rebecca mercer, and her company with steve bannon who is called the cambridge Vice President , and involved in the political agenda, and the cambridge is in the center of the probe, and you can see it there, ties to wikileak, and facebook and trump heavy hitters burk tonight, new questions about cambridges work for a Russian Oil Company, luke oil, whose Top Executive is lin areked to Vladimir Putin. Joining me now is that whistleblower christopher wily, and thank you for being a part of the special. Your former Company Cambridge worked for donald trump and also, a apparently talked to the Big Russian Oil company lukoil discussing social Media Marketing and any idea why a oil company would be interested in na and do you see any potential link to the russian probe or what . First of all, yes, i find it unusual that a Russian Oil Company wanted to use the services of Cambridge Analytica and know more about the programs that we r were working on and the rippon project, and the data harvesting and i found it unusual that Alexander Nix created a prez sentation about rumor campaigns and fake news and more generally are undermining confidence of the voters in the civic institutions, and what i told the committee is that, there was a risk given the relationship that lukoil has with the fsb which is the Russian Security Service Services of notifying the russian Intelligent Services that there was a massive data set being harvested on americans, and that the right. And that the professor who managed that Harvesting Program was partly based out of russia and also working on the projects for russians in social media profiling, and in psychological profiling, and that, you know, that the risk that was created was that, in notifying this company, it showed them, a, what assets were there and b, where to go to get them, and they did not need russia to do it. And to be clear, a state linked oil company does not have a natural are need for that kind of data and social Media Marketing to sell oil. So i wonder, do you think that it is something that ni xhshgs c nix would have been concerned with . Well, it is concerning because the Parent Company was also working on u natofunded programs in the baltics which included russian counter are propaganda material, a and that would have made it an intelligence target for russia. So you have a company observed in some way by russia, and then interfacing with the Russian Company that has, you know, very overt lin areks with the russian fsb talking about a massive data set in america. And so it is about, you know, rumor campaigns and making a pitch of undermining the confidence in civic institutions, and to me, the reason i talked about that at parliament the other day at my testimony was because i think that it is something that should be genuinely investigated. It is concerning that that communication happened, you know, given what we now know about the interference of the russian interference in the american election. And so what do you want to come across when you speak to the u. S. Investigators . That it should be taken ser seriously, and that this is not just, you know, an issue for facebook, and this isnt just a data leak, but this is something that potentially could impact the National Security of the United States and the integrity of american Democratic Institutions as well as institutions here in britain and around the world. Christopher wylie, i know that you have taken a huge risk to speak out as a whistleblower, and thank you for speaking to me. Cheers, and thank you for having me again. And so, now how might the digital interface be affecting facebook more. And roger stone on the beat. We will respond with more facts later. At the Marine Mammal center, the environment is everything. We want to do our very best for each and every animal, and we want to operate a sustainable facility. And pg e has been a partner helping us to achieve that. Weve helped the Marine Mammal center go solar, install electric vehicle charging stations, and become more energy efficient. 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It is a big part of the internet and platform and one that thousands of other sites use to authenticate visitors and social media juggernaut and part of the economy and clearly part of the democracy. Facebook can improve, but so far most of what this companys management has done has shown that it is not, it is not trying to improve the fundamental process, and the fundamental way it operates or the conflict of the Business Model that uses and abuses customers. This is is something that we have reported on the beat. The conflict is that the joke is on us, because anybody who uses facebook is basically opting into this problem. Steven colbert put it succinctly. It is like the banks that got robbed at gun point, and more like a bank that gave the robbers their money, because it is the Business Model. It is the Business Model that allowed facebook to sit and do nothing about the data breach, and now it is apologizing about it, but they knew about this problem with trumps digital firm, but the thing that changed lately is they got caught and lost 80 billion. Zuckerberg knows when the companies are in person they is send the ceos to prioritize the issues, and that is something that he has not done with the u. S. Congress about the data issue or the 2016 election meddling, and that is his lawyer speaking to congress, but it is himself, Mark Zuckerberg who dressed up in time to meet with Vladimir Putins deputy in russia to keep facebook honorable. It is a social network to be extremely popular and thanks and h facebook. Thank you. It is an honor. We have a shirt for you. An honor and the nice kremlin handshake and what you are seeing on the screen is something that zuckerberg has not found the time the do and yet, he is going the be facing the u. S. Congress, and that is 2012. And of course, the russian operatives were using our facebook to interfere with our election, and bob mueller has indicted others to the stage events on the country, and also are, facebooks bungled response matches the response to fake news which resides on the site, and the reside for those who protest housing discrimination, and some of the controversies where they would say they wanted to stop the bad thing that it just discovered, but compare it to the new memo leaking tonight written by a Senior Executive to admit the quote ugly truth that anything that connects the people on the internet is the goal even if lives are lost. That is the mentality of the company, and fake news was never for facebook, but it was a feature, because it was popular and popular means profitable. It is the blowback in the press or from users or the ultimate government regulation to deal with that motive. Regulations can be pro or antifreedom, and facebook senssens censorsh censorships in turkey, and another area for the Chinese Market they have wanted for some time. Zuckerberg will have do all kind s of things to connect, and that is their big word to compete and to win. As you saw there, it will huddle with the kremlin, and innovate s censorship for the chinese authoritarianism and keep that in mind, because i am showing you this for a reason, because Mark Zuckerberg says that there are some universal values to protect your rights on the site. And this is pernicious. So, to be clear, you wont sell or share any of the information on facebook some. What the terms say is that we wont share peoples information except for the people who have asked for pit be shared. Except for the people who have asked for it to be shared. Well, obviously, nobody asked for this the data breach by trumps digital firm that is rocking the company. Nobody asked for that and nobody wanted it, and as i say, and i cant say it enough, the company knew about it for a long are time, and knew that nobody asked for it, and that is why it is a breach. Considered the that other tech leaders have cautioned that the asking of customers only counts if you dont trick them or lie to them. You have to ask them in plain english and get real consent, and at the point that facebooks competitors apple have stressed. Obviously, people need to know what they are signing up for in plain english and repeatedly ask them. Ask them every time. Make them tell you to stop asking them if they are tired of your asking them. If our customer were the product, we could make a ton of money. We have elected not to do that. Privacy to us is a human right. Are and investigators say that facebook has not respected the human right of privacy, and the federal trade commission has sued facebook for bailing on the privacy issues that accesses almost are all of the peoples personal data including things they have not needed. And facebook using information to the advertisers antsdz when that scandal brood, so it is not the first one, and what zuckerberg did that time, it is to are respond to turn the tables to other companies. If you are looking at a other companies whether it is google or yahoo or microsoft who have Search Engines and admin network, they have a a huge amount of information about you, but it is just that they are collecting it about you behind your back and way more information than people are sharing on facebook about themselves, but it is less transparent than what is happening on facebook. It is just less transparent. Again, the data breach, two years and no transparency. There are counter a argum argume coming from people who say, dont be on facebook. You post the stuff there, and you believe it is going to be shared and leaked or abused and if you think that, note that facebooks activities go way beyond sharing that data and consider this, facebook uses secret social engineering to ma nip late users emotion, and in 2014, it is half a million or more users positive or negative stories in the artificial way to then see if it would make the users more happy or more upset and depressed. Also called the experiment apps. A and if it can be transferred to others with the artificial experiment and they found that it did. So facebook could make hundreds of thousands of people sad just by showing them a certain kind of a negative information in their feed. It would be like if on the news instead of showing you what is happening in the world or what we think is important, we just artificially showed you strictly terrible things to test whether it made you sadder. And this is powerfulful stuff, and scary, and the stuff that trumps digital firm is marketing, and yes, the firm used facebook, and yes, Robert Mueller is probing all of that, and so my argument tonight is this is way beyond whether the favorite movies you put on facebook is known no advertisers, because it is going to our can democracy itself, and this is why Mark Zuckerbergs surprise at impact of e llectio is so hollow. Because they had grown power to who vote, and touted ability to the impact campaign, and whistleblowers have shown how facebook knew about the problems and slept on them. Were you aware that there was a risk with respect to the of the media and the press and the public definitely didnt realize the gravity of this issue seern. That is the whistleblower laying tout case versus a facebook executive again claiming that they are always surprised when these things happen. I want to show you another contrast, the new tune to what insiders are saying is happening. We have a basic responsibility to protect peoples data, and if we cant do that, then we dont deserve to have the opportunity to serve people. So, our responsibility now is to make sure that this doesnt happen again. To be honest, it feels more like a p. R. Effort than, any sort of general attempt to fix the issue. They proactively tried to the intimidate the guardian and sue them if they leaked the story. That is the cambridge whistleblower talking about how facebooks First Response was not the own up to the data breach now, stop public reports of it. And one more part of the big zuckerberg p. R. Tour, and that is to be open to the regulation that his company is arguing against, aed i have to say to mark, this is with one that takes a lot of chutzpah. I a actually am not sure that we shouldnt be regulated and Something Like ad Transparency Regulation that i would love to see, but if you are looking at the regulation are around advertising on tv and print and it is not clear why there is less on internet. He is referring to regulation of political ads on line which facebook lobbied against. Facebook paying the lobbyists to kill the regulation, and telling the customers who funded the political can ad was a bad idea, because the ads were too small, and so that is what zuckerberg said that he is spending 10 million on ten different lobbying firms to kill that and other regulation. When Mark Zuckerberg says that he is not sure that facebook should be regulated and that is his speak for they should be, because he spent 10 million to stop it. And remember, that facebook did not care about this breach, it did not do anything unthe ti it was busted. And while it touts this on the democracy, and those who are looking into it, he says that facebook attacks people is a tune that he only recently has begun to change. Personally, i think that the idea that, in a fake news on facebook of which is small amount of the content influenced the election in any way is a pr pretty crazy idea. I am sure that someone is trying. Im sure that there is, you know, metoo, and version two of whatever the russian effort is of 2016, and i am sure that they will have be working on that and new tactics that we have to make sure that we observe and get in front of. And now, Mark Zuckerberg is sure that somebody is trying to misuse his site to effect the future election. We are just not sure, mark, if you are trying. We will be back in 90 seconds. E fast before whos a good boy . Is him a good boy . Erg. Im just gonna go. Oh, you wanna go outside . You gotta go tinky poopoo . I already went, ok . In the bathroom as long as people talk babytalk to dogs, you can count on geico saving folks money. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. We have been looking at Unanswered Questions in the facebook russian probe, and an executive said they favor growth at any cost and in the memo, it is timing is an issue, and it came out one day after the chicago man was shot and killed on a Facebook Livestream which many people criticized. The memo shows that basically, the companys reaction, and today, the facebook executive who wrote it and Mark Zuckerberg are disavowings aspects of it. I am joined by a facebook investor, and a fomer facebook employee who is was fired for breaking the company nondisclosure agreement. And so you have the new nda issues, and did Michael Cohen facilitate a payment for you . No, it went down in a very different fashion. My second question is that i went through the reporting that you have seen on facebook and the new memo seems to drop the mask a little and showing how important connectivity and profit is, and what is most important in your view . Well, loose lips are sinking ships on msnbc and it is great that with trump you can put out a tweet as a positive response and something as ridiculous as i didnt mean it when i wrote it. From the facebook disavowing it . Yes, and at the same time the leaks coming out since then and the day of the inception on the day of the leaks showing that the peoples reaction no the leak itself saying that who are these people within the company, and it is definitely a direct kind of an assault to figure out the less mad about what was said in the memo than, you know. And so you are saying that a cult of secrecy around it, and any Large Organization and facebook and suggests that you dont disagree with that and didnt like that it was being said, and speak to it in the fake news in the content that we are surprised and we dont like it, but if something is connecting and profiting, they do like that. Right. So i think that the big thing with this specific leak is that, you know, they are in the break stuff mentality there, and if they can push together to have the conversations in private and if the company can expand, they will do it, but the bottom line is that they have been having the conversation in private behind closed doors for two years and as the last two years have shown, they have not improved the business aetices or the structure. And let me ask you this, and roger, and on the getitmeter of get it at zero and get it completely at 10, what score would you give Mark Zuckerberg . Well, it is 0 to 10 . It is a 4. As of today . It has to be worse, a 2. Roger . I give him a zero before i give him a 0. 5 now. Yikers. Go on, roger, and explain why. Well, the issue here is that it is a frame of reference. A ar ari, you nailed it in the essay there a moment ago, because the problem here is the core of the Business Model. Im sympathetic to mark in the whole issue, because from his perspective, he has given the the world a incredible gift and connected the. 1 billion people and all he had to do was to give away all of our privacy and make us vulnerable to the election manipulation and a few minor side effects, and he is looking at the whole thing and wondering why we are all not more grateful. So seriously, i think that he has built an incredible thing, but there is a a giant flaw in the Business Model and you pointed it out and we are pointing it out and ben is pointing it out. It is there and time to recognize it. And it must be incredibly hard for him and Sheryl Sandberg to accept that this thing is not going well. I feel that sympathy, but the reality is that there is no choice, and they must get it right, because the country they live in and countries around the world are depending upon them, because right now, bad actors can create anarchy on their platform and do it at will and nothing in place to fix it. And this is not a technology story, because democracy story, and exactly. And that is the theme that is sinbing in on some people a sinking in on some people lately. And i would have given him a 3 in 2016 and a 5 today, because there appears to be growth. Thank you both for being part of the special discussion here. I want to the turn to the other exclusive whistleblower interview, and we have a lot the night. This is someone who worked at the trumm digital firm analytica, until there was a key to Steve Bannons townhouse in washington, and the breitbart embassy, and she spoke at cpac with Kellyanne Conway and spent the night with rebecca mercer, mega donor and left cambridge and also worked for barack obama, and this is interesting, because it is the first tv interview anywhere in the world and i spoke to her in bangkok, thailand and i spoke to her about the thought ts of faceboo were you aware . I was copied in on the information of what we gave to facebook and of which our ceo said that we deleted the data sets that we said that we would delete. I find it incredibly irresponsible for facebook to not send somebody to check. That is a simple piece of Due Diligence for a company that until last week was worth 500 billion. You think they didnt care. I think that the data policy is exploitive and irresponsible. And irresponsible is how she put what cambridge has done with facebooks lax approach. And we spoke, and this is important about what the digital firm that worked for trump did with the day and the whether any of it could be bound up in the big question of russian meddling. Facebook gave probably thousands of Different Companies access to the data, and we only asked december of 2017 about seven months later if we had the data and to delete it in 2016, and i guerin the tee you that Cambridge Analytica was one of thousands of companies that still possessed the data longer than we should have. Is it possible that cambridge or other data firms who have more of the american expertise might have somehow been helped, used or interacted with the Russian Operations . Anybody in the world can purchase and license the data of individuals in america. You dont have to be an american company. You dont have to be working for a political campaign, and that means that individuals and their data sets are exploited and they can be exploited by anyone without the help of an american firm. Bob mueller may want to know about, that and Mark Zuckerberg may be wanting to be asked about that in the upcoming congressional testimony. Well, why is tonight different from all other nights . Well, it friday and that means a special holiday fallback straight ahead. And the indescribable rush of saving drivers an average of 620. Why does fear feel so good . I fell in love three times once with a woman, once with a country, and finally. With myself. So, do you have anything to declare or not . Isnt that what im doing . So, do you have anything to declare or not . You wouldnt accept from any one else. Why accept it from your allergy pills . Flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills dont. Flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. 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And me plays for days and days. And just blaze as they said. So, sorry, who needs to fallback . So surveillance capitalism needs to fall back. This is a term popularized by the idea that data extraction and profit motive is the key, and facebook is a intelligence gathering behind birthdays and baby announcements. So retold that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about, but the Social Security numbers are hacked at equifax, and people are arresting kids based on false gang violence, and so, as our democracy is under attack the, and so if the Business Model is stalking the users, you need to fallback. And bring in the footnotes to the fallback and you know that we like it. It is a liner note. So sasha, thank you for being here, and im excited about the documentary, and of course sh, needs to fallback . Your peeps at uber need to fall all of the way back. The idea of driverless will cars is just bananas to me in the first place, and for a multitude of reasons. People need jobs. So what is going to happen and all of the sudden Driverless Cars and no jobs, and the risk of people dying not only the jobs being killed, but unfortunately people losing their lives as well. Yeah, it is scary, and you know, what is scarier than getting that onestar rating from the driver is having no driver and feeling at risk. You got anyone else to fallback . I would say wilbur ross at commerce sneaking in the Citizenship Question on the census. They are asking the question, but the deeper aim is so people should not answer any of them and so a white supremist administration to have people be reporing to affect dollars are and allocation, and so if your Business Model, and again, if your idea of whiteness is so fragile that you cant count the people of color, then you need to fallback. And barrage is catching it. And you put it well, because the real question is what does the government do with the information . The information goes to power and resource, and my fallback nominee and less important and it is called prosthesis, and remember when sigorney weaver was a ail glenn the robot suit. And now they want the real one, and this is the prosthesis in action, and this is a giant exoskeleton that this Company Wants to let you take one of these around central park or something, and i dont believe it is a good idea. What is so sowrong there. Wa what could possibly go wrong . I thank you. And up next, roger stone put out a big response to the special that we did last night, and the accusations about him, and i will give you my response to that next. 99 of the suvs out there. Its very modern. Sleek. Maybe the most impressive part of the allnew traverse. Is whats on the inside. gasp surprise what are you doing here . Ive missed you guys i havent seen you guys in so long gasp whats happening . we flew her out. 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And this is an overlap of the report that we promoed with roger stones reaction to wikileaks, and that report drew a heated response to stone today and several outlets are covering that, and he posted a new video on instagram while smoking a cigar with his grandson and attacks his former protege sam nunnber nunnberg, and he says that who called him a liar are the liars. He is responding to this. I think that he is trying to ingratiate himself back with trump and the minute that he told me on the phone that he met with a assange and i knew that he was lying. I know assange and i will tell you that he never had conversations with roger stone or an intermediary. And what was roger stone doing talking to gus fsi fer 2. , and claiming to communicate with Julian Assange repeated times and then backing off of it. Two of the people in the int interviews are people who are in this wider trump orbit who were once friends with roger stone, and his protege, and also, the man that stone claimed was the link to Julian Assange. It is not that it is getting messy, but mueller is bearing down on the lin areks s li to gus fer and wikileaks and the reporting is show that with the wikileaks and gusifer that leaves the spy for Vladimir Putin and so the offer is open for him to come on to the show, and just like nunberg id did, and frankly like rogerstone did on air. And he also posted several new bolder attacks on me personally, as if he thinks this is some kind of personal feud. It is not. These are the factual questions. If roger wants to have a personal spat, he has to the find someone else for that. It is Audrey Drake Graham who put it best, i have to stay in my stone. You say that we tonight the mueller team strikes in a scene out of a movie. A man gets off a plane and he is quickly questioned about what he knows and served a subpoena to come talk to the special council. With the president in florida, more trouble back in washington. Bad news are for members of the cabinet after more white house departures. Fascinating new numbers are out and you might be surprised to learn what kinds of americans came out last weekend to march and demonstrate against gun violence. Steve kornacky is live as we get under way on a friday night. We are almost there. Good evening on a friday night. Day 435 of the Trump Administration. As another week comes to an end, the latest development tonight in the russia matter. Our nbc news reports earlier this week, muellers investigators detained, questioned, and then served a subpoena to a trump ally named ted mallick when he arrived at Logan Airport from england. He say formal adviser who just finished a book called the plot to destroy trump. How the deep state fabricated the russian dossier to subvert the president. He is a brexit supporter with ties to the british leader of that movement. In 2016, days after the election, he spoke with the bbc about donald trump. I have been involved in the campaign for over been a safer place, the world would have grown, and i think there will be an interesting relationship between putin and trump as powerful world leaders. Whether its a bromance i think its to be decided. But i think itll be a much healthier situation. Well, he got part of that right. Its an interesting relationship, at least. Fast forward to his encounter this week at logan up in boston with the fbi. According to a statement malic emailed to nbc news, well quote here, two fbi agents told him he was being detain today answer questions related to the special counsels investigation. He said they told him it was a felony to lie to the fbi and he told them he would gladly cooperate. Malloch added quote, whom i communicated with, whom i knew and how well, he said they asked him about roger stone, author jerome coursy and wikileaks. Malloch said he told them he met with stone a total of three times and always with groups of people. He said he was asked if hed ever visited the Ecuadorian Embassy in london, and he replied no. He also said the agent served him a subpoena from muellers team that had been issued that day to appear for questioning on april 13th. Earlier on this Network Former prosecutor harry litman put this into context. Its this breathless kind of development that shows muellers not thinking about the red line, the blue line the yellow line. Hes just thinking about the finishing line and plumbing the depths of everything that is involved here, im sure to trumps great chagrin. Were back in tom clancy territory. And just to recap here on a friday night, what weve learned on the russia front as we closeout another week it was reported that john dowd, President Trumps former lead lawyer in this russia case spoke last summer with lawyers about Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort about the possibility of president ial pardons. We learned from a court filing one time Trump Campaign aide rick gates was in close contact with a associate tied with russian intelligence. And he was asked about contacts with the trump team and russians, of all places the cleveland 2016 Republican National convention. Attorneys joe digenova and his wife backed out after saying they would represent the president. In exiting they cited conflicts as the reason. The two are also representing an important witness in the mueller investigation. Former spokesman for trumps legal team named mark corollo. Its a lot and we turn to our lead off panel on a friday night. A New York Times reporter, and matthew nussbaum. The terrible swift sword of the federal government when feds act, when you wince it, it is striking to watch. I cant imagine what its like to be the guy surrounded at logan, your phone is taken. What its like to be the folks in that concourse that watched this go down. But its never uninteresting in the mueller investigation. Yeah, thats right. And the power of the federal government is very much on display here. Look, i think what all these developments, these leaks show at least for me is that the question of collusion or conspiracy or whatever we want to call it is still very much in play as far as bob muellers concerned. I mean hes asking about essentially contacts between or potential contacts between the Trump Campaign and wikileaks, which obviously we know was the vehicle that was used disseminate those hacked emails related to the dnc and clinton campaign. The fact hes asking about that still, were going one year in, tells me hes absolutely not foreclosed the idea of collusion or conspiracy between the Trump Campaign and russian intelligence operatives. So that is very much a live issue even as republicans on capitol hill are saying its over and done with, hes got no evidence of collusion, lets not forget roger stone, we know he was in contact with the twitter account that say run by guccifer 2. 0 which was a front for russian intelligence to disseminate hacked emails. I dont imagine mueller is going in order. I think hes shooting out of sequence. And when you think about it, papadopoulos, flynn, gates cooperating, this tangent brings us back to the campaign era along with some other developments this week. Yes. So were back in the campaign, and union if they are in fact asking about Julian Assange, that does go back to that intelligence assessment that came out more than a year ago that said, you know, wikileaks was, you know, a venue to get these hacked emails out to the public via russia. And so as matt said, this is a live issue. This is ongoing, and i think the challenge thing with any one witness that you learn about or any of these little pieces is we dont see the whole picture. And muellers team does, and we dont. And so it can be hazardous to read too much into any one data point along the way. And weve seen actually so little. And anyone whos had any contact with mueller on either side of the ball comes away saying he has everything, they have everything. Yeah. All right. Matthew nussbaum, we keep reading reports that the president is comfortable in the job. The president is in florida, what could go wrong . The white house is functioning without a Comms Director, if press accounts are correct, a diminished chiefs of staff. I think thats hard to say. I think they were happy to make it to this weekend, this hed weekend. The president and Vice President are both out of town on vacation. And like you said what were seeing from a lot of these staffing moves is that President Donald Trump is feeling a lot more comfortable to put together the team he wants. I think hes feeling a little bit emboldened. And the main thing to watch, i think, within the white house has been the departure of hope hicks. She was seen as someone that could talk with it president , had a relationship with him that no one else had and could sort of tamp down some of these more reckless impulses and tendencies he had. And theres real concern within the white house with her departure he might be even more off message than in the past. Couple that with john dowd leaving, who had urged cooperation with the mueller team, and you see a president maybe more emboldened to maybe push back publicly on this investigation, which everyone else in the white house knows is not a good news. Because your paper gave us the story of the potential pardons, and we repeat its not illegal to mention pardons on the president s behalf. It being the most awesome exercise of president ial power. Its illegal to dangle them as a potential use for lessening damage or softening a case. What was the most in your view consequential single thing we learned this week, matt . These weeks all run together. John dowd, it was like what month did that happen . I think the story my colleagues broke about the dangling of a pardon is important because the white house has consistently said were not talking about pardons. Its not on the table. And manafort and flynn, these guys dont have anything to give thats harmful to the president. And so the very fact that the president s lawyer is dangling this even if he was just doing this on his own shows theres at least some consideration going on, or there was some consideration going on about about what is our exposure here and what do these former senior advisers have to tell bob mueller, and is there a way to get ahead of that . And whether thats illegal, part of an obstruction case, who knows at this point . But it certainly goes to the consideration thats going on inside the trump team. Tamara, were led to believe theyre still looking for lawyers. Imagine what it would be, say nothing of the client, but this is a mature apparently leading to the final stages case. Theres so much catchup work to do. The previous point, muellers already seen everything so youre running behind by nature. Question to you are sekulow and cobb enough to lead this effort . No. Basically Robert Muellers team are killers. I think thats what steve bannon called them. They are some of the best prosecutors that you can find in this country. Theyve been involved in everything from watergate to emron. And in jay sekulow you have someone who hes argued a bunch of cases before the supreme court. Hes best known for arguing on religious liberty not white collar defense. He does have some people working under him who we dont hear that much about who arent the big names but who have been working on this case. And the thing with ty cobb in the white house, i dont think he sees himself as the president s lawyer. I think he sees himself more as a lawyer of the institution of the president danes and for the white house. And he sees his job more as facilitating a relationship with the office of the special counsel rather than being part of the president s defense team. Matt apuzzo, you were agreeing with that. And i believe ty cobb does not represent the president personally, i actually think cobb and sekulow could probably get through this next stage where the president has to negotiate some sort of interview with mueller. The question is who is going to do the lawyering at the next stage, of whatever comes out of this investigation, whether some sort of referrals, something further where mueller wants to do more in terms of the president personally or other white house aides, whos going to litigate that . And thats where you need both a constitutional lawyer and criminal lawyer. Whatever comes next, theyre going to need another lawyer. So matthew nussbaum, again to set the scene, the president in florida, we dont know what hes going to say, talk to, say on twitter. He gets back to washington sunday night. How is the trump agenda supposed to get pushed forward on monday with the staff anxiety over potentially more departures . What can you speak about the inside mood in this place you cover every day . Well, i think theres a lot of concern like you said about more staff turnover with these controversies at the cabinet level. People arent really sure whos going to go next. Theres really no legislative agenda to speak of. I think its seeing how trump operates that to some degree hes a bit unchanged now with hope gone and feeling more confident, and like hes fit for the job and hes ready in the job. I think seeing how he acts with a little less of a filter is injury much on the mind with everyone in the white house. And the fact hes had any filter so far is probably surprising to a lot of your viewers, but that is what hope hicks was for him. Matt apuzzo, whats the one question youd like to lob to Sarah Huckabee sanders during the next briefing that youd actually like answered . Thats a tough one. You put me on the spot. The problem is that, ill be honest with you, brian, we havent consistently been able to rely on answers from the white house. And thats whats been really frustrating. You get denials like when it was reported that the president was preparing to fire the secretary of state. And theres outright denials, its absolutely not happening and the president turns around and does it. At least for me covering this investigation i havent really relied on the official podium statements. I know thats been a frustration for both my colleagues at the times and probably for every other journalist in the city. I know two estimates, who have done the study that a major figure departs every nine days in this administration. That is just an incredible rate of change. Yeah, we have had about one a week for the last five weeks of really major big name departures, cabinet level, top level, staff. It is the highest change in the echelons of white house staff. 48 have already departed according to perkens numbers. And that is double the rate of departures that happened in president obamas full first two years. And were at 14 months. On this friday night our thanks go out to matt apuzzo, tamara keith, matthew nussbaum. Really appreciate you guys helping out in our lead up conversation tonight. And a look of the volume of departures and the deeper meaning for the president and actually for our country. On this night when there are new headaches for donald trump when it comes to his cabinet back home. And then later the Korean Peninsula learning curve for President Trump as he prepares to sit down with the dictator of the north. The 11th hour just Getting Started on a friday night. Piano music vo they want more out of life in every way. So theyre starting this years garden with miraclegro potting mix and plant food. Together, they produce three times the harvest to enjoy. And of course, to share. This soil is fresh from the forest and patiently aged to guarantee more of what matters. Every time. Three times the harvest. One powerful guarantee. Miraclegro. The toothpaste that helps prevent bleeding gums. If you spit blood when you brush or floss you may have gum problems and could be on the journey to much worse. Help stop the journey of gum disease. Try parodontax toothpaste. I know that thats people. I know the best managers. I know the best deal makers. I know people that will make us so i know guys that are so good. I know the best people. Weve got the best people. I have the best people. So were going to get the best people. Despite those mentions as you may have urd of the best people, thus far in just the month of march we have witnessed the departure of Six Administration officials including the secretary of state, National Security advisor, Comms Director and the white house turnover continues. New reporting tonight from the Washington Post sheds new light on the huge number of open positions in this administration that just havent been filled. According to the post, 387 of trumps appointees have been confirmed. Compare that to 548 of the obama folks, 615 by the george w. Bush folks by this time in their administrations. The responsibility of filling their positions falls largy on something called the president ial personnel office. But according to the the post the obscure White House Office has suffered from inexperience and a shortage of staff, hobbling the Trump Administrations efforts to place qualified people in key posts across governments documents and interviews show. The article describes the office as something of a social hub where young staffers from throughout the administration stop by to hang out on couches and smoke electronic cigarettes. It describes a night in january where they played a drinking game in the office called icing to celebrate the deputy directors holiday. Icing involves hiding a bottle of smirnoff ice, and demanding the person who discovers it, in this case the deputy director, guzzles it. Earlier on this Network Steve schmidt characterized the chaos in this white house in his own unique way during an appearance with nicolle wallace. From a personnel perspective weve never quite seen the assemblage of crooks, wife beaters, drunk drivers, complete and total incompetence thats been assembled. If you took the ten greatest hr managers in the history of the world, put them together and said we want to form a 1927 yankees of incompetence, its not possible they would have done a better job. The gentleman does have a way with words, doesnt he . Share of journalist ethics at the Pointer Institute and jonathan allen, Nbc News National Political reporter, a veteran journalist himself. So jonathan, these are not the headlines you want. And just a reminder to all, Steve Schmidt is a republican. When you hear Steve Schmidt, but hes a republican. You go back in history and think about firing halderman in april 1973, thats a huge moment. You think about the saturday night massacre at the Justice Department a few months after that. Every week in the Trump Administration is like the saturday night massacre. Theyre all gone now. So what are they being placed by . And the answer according to the Washington Post is nothing. Theres a lot of open space there. Its not helpful for policy and certainly not helpful for the stability of it government and certainly not helpful for the way the United States appears overseas. Vera, i first got to walk through the west wing in the late 70s and covering the place and visiting the place. The absent of noise is so striking. Theres an intentional quiet and softness in the west wing. And the solemnity and solitude. First of all, i want to make the point, brian, you have assembled the best people tonight to talk about this subject. There you go. So thank you for that. But i will say in the Eisenhower Office building where these drinking games that you described and the vaping were taking place with these 20yearolds, some of whom two senior officials who seem to have gotten by according to this the Washington Post investigation clear out nepotism. One is college drop out with dui conviction and passing a bad check. Another one is a former marine whos had all sorts of convictions for assaults. So you have to wonder about who are the people that theyre putting in charge of looking for important government employees. Lets not forget that what is the root of all this . The root is that President Trump when he was still a candidate put crist christy, the then governor of new jersey in charge of his transition. And just a couple days after donald trump was elected he booted chris christie. That would have been a real signal to us what was to come if his head of transition was booted a couple of days after the election. So you just cant put together a Transition Team like this overnight. And what youre talking about is not only the most departures in the first year of an administration that we have seen in 40 years, but it is also the failure to even name people to new posts. So not only do we have rex tillerson, secretary of state, gary cohn, top economic advisor, h. R. Mcmaster, the National Security advisor. The list goes on and on of all these people lev leaving. But we dont have the Trump Administration more than a year in putting a south korean ambassador. And were about to go into talks with dim jung un, the north korean dictator and we dont have a nomination for a south korean ambassador. And some of these are selfinflicted wounds. They dont have the infrastructure to do that and make good calls and decisions. Chris christie on this broadcast told the story of his departure. He hand over the structure and Due Diligence they had done, the work they had done towards the transition, and in his view they went in a different direction when he left. Hey, jonathan, im going to read you the quote from the Washington Post about epa administrator mr. Pruitt. Scott pruitts housing arrangement during much of last year, they paid a lobbyist a modest sum each night for staying in a capitol hill condo she owned. Its generated scrutiny about the Environmental Protection agency administrator. Scott pruitt has been in the news for the security detail and the extraordinary arrangements he has around him including but not limited to his desire to sit in the pointy end of the airplane where the seats are wider. At least hes not icing anyone that we know of. There you go. No icing. Look, this has been a problem for any number of the white house officials, the Cabinet Department officials. This short of this selfdealing, this comfort with the old ways of washington that President Trump says he was going to cleanup. He said he was going to drain the swamp to the extent its been drained, were just seeing the crocodiles and alligators in there. A 1,500 a month apartment is not a bad price, but the arrangement he has with this lobbyist where he only pays her for the nights she stays there, i would love to have that with my bank on my mortgage. Only on the days i stay there. I think its going to be a problem going forward. I cant imagine the white house is happy to hear about this, and i imagine we will hear about not only this but other cabinet officials with sort of selfdealing and being too tight with those who seek influence with that. And that promise to drain the swamp, trump has talked about the phrase it was not his. He said it was given to him but he didnt like it, but then he he said it at an event and the he kept saying it. But that was a promise made to his base. Im so glad you brought that up, brian. Because drain the swamp is something donald trump has owned. And not only is he not draining the swamp, we see again and again selfdealing is the perfect word. That could be the subheading of the Trump Administration, selfdealing. And its not only the white house has tried to defend Scott Pruitts apartment by saying this is friend and this is discount, this is lobbyist. If this was a fantastic friend you would be giving it to them for free. The fact this is discounted deal, the conflict of interest is also about the perception of conflict of interest. And what is this secretary offering now either now or implied sweetheart deals. Politico did a big investigate as well, and, you know, one of the things weve seen is this, for example, ryan zincy speaking of selfdealing, concerns about people of the interior department being asked to share information ahead of time, market valuable information about u. S. Oil reserves and refusing to do that. I mean it is really troubling, and if donald trump wanted to drain the swamp he has not shown any one iota of evidence wanting to do that. In fact quite the contrary, bringing in people, smacking of nepotism and selfdealing. As weve established, they are the best people to have this conversation on a good friday night. Thank you both so much. Coming up for us, what was President Trump talking about when he talked about north and south korea to a Union Audience in ohio this week . And later some fascinating new numbers are out about the kinds of people who came out to protest gun violence a week ago tomorrow in d. C. And so many other locations. Steve kornacki will have the numbers at the big board. Its a big story to warrant that. The 11th hour back after this. [ doorbell rings ] janice, mom told me you bought a house. Okay. [ buttons clicking ] [ camera shutter clicks ] so, now that you have a house, you can use homequote explorer. Quiet. Im blasting my quads. Janice, look. 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Does everybody understand that . Do you know why, right . Do you know why . Because its a very strong card, and i want to make sure that everyone is treated fairly and were moving along very nicely with north korea. Well see what happens. With us tonight retired four star u. S. Army, a decorated combat veteran of vietnam, animist nbc military analyst with expensive knowledge of the Korean Peninsula, and back with us is a former Senior Analyst at cia and was in charge of this region while on the white house National Security council. General what was the president talking about there . Well, its hard to follow that. At the end of the day the South Koreans, i remember the ambassador giving atatorial to us. The South Koreans are our friends, a democracy. Theyre under great peril from a brutal cruel regime now armed with nuclear weapons. And other allies montana region, japanese, australians and others are equally terrified of the road ahead. Thats what were trying to solve. So is it a particular challenge dealing with a president with no institutional history, readily admits hes not been boning up on the history of the presidency, world matters prior to this job. If someone tosses off a mention ofloid booker and the pueblo during their talks he is not likely to get that reference. Youre absolutely right, and i think this is real problem. And this speech you just mentioned, we cant make any sense of this. I mean is he giving south korea our ally and north korea our adversary confused . Why is he putting our trade issues with our ally with the security issues, linking it together . At a critical time like this when we are trying to get all hands on deck trying to solve north korean crisis, we need to have close coordination with our ally, south korea. To concert animosity with our ally in a key moment like this, i cant make sense of it. So what do you make of the trap trip to china . Heres a guy whos been educated in europe, but since hes been leader hes not left the country but by this big bulletproof train. This is significant. I think this is all part of the Charm Offensive phase hes on, starting with the new years editorial address and then the whole olympic outreach to south korea, sending an north korea delegation to olympics and now meeting with xi jinping. And i understand hell potentially meet with putin and abe, the Prime Minister of japan. I think this is all to break International Pressure against the kim regime. So what do you make of the trap trip to china . Heres a guy whos been educated in europe, but since hes been leader hes not left the country but by this big bulletproof train. This is significant. I think this is all part of the Charm Offensive phase hes on, starting with the new years editorial address and then the whole olympic outreach to south korea, sending an north korea delegation to olympics and now meeting with xi jinping. And i understand hell potentially meet with putin and abe, the Prime Minister of japan. I think this is all to break International Pressure against the kim regime. So it really makes sense from kims perspective to go to china and meet with president xi jinping. North korea is still patron, ally and so on. And of course xi jinping doesnt want to be side lined either. It makes sense from xi jinpings perspective and kim jonguns perspective to have this meeting. General, what would your goal be . How would you be watching all of this differently other than wanting all of your men and women to get home alive . Well, i do think theres a commitment, certainly on the part of secretary mattis and the pentagon to dialogue, a diplomatic economic covert action in lieu of threatening little rocket man with potential nuclear attacks. So i think the notion of talking to the north koreans, the South Koreans are relieved. They were worried about what President Trump might do, so are the japanese. The u. S. Armed forces are an enormously powerful institution. Over 2 million men and women. Theyre actually getting prepared to fight if the United States or our regional allies are attacked. Thats their sole mission. And i think they are leaning forward now without any overt planning, getting ready to back up diplomacy with Hard Military power. Talk to me finally about a point you made a few weeks back about kim jonguns sister going to the olympics and the coverage and interest she generated in south korea. We have no understanding for that here. No, i think kim jonguns sister i think first of all shes the most trusted Family Member and advisor to kim jongun. She put a human face to this totalitarian regime. So i think in terms of kim jungun trying to have this huge makeover, she was very useful in that regard. She represented the north korean delegation going to the south korean olympics. And she was hugely popular and well received in south korea. Again, she put a human face in to north korea. Our great thanks on a friday night. We really appreciate any time we can have you both on. Thank you so so much. Coming up nearly a week after the march for our lives, what were learning about who was there in the march, whos become part of the movement, what it may tell us about politics n age of trump, that and more when we continue along the way. You could simulate craftsmanship or you could experience it for real at the lexus command performance sales event. Lease the 2018 es 350 for 339 a month for 36 months. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. I own my own company. I had some severe fatigue, some funny rashes. Finally, listening to my wife, went to a doctor. And i became diagnosed with hodgkins lymphoma. That diagnosis was tough. I had to put my trust in somebody. When i first met steve, we recommended chemotherapy, and then we did high dose therapy and then autologous stem cell transplant. 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What happened that next day was beyond our ability to predict and beyond the organizers wildest dreams. The satellite imagery of washington, d. C. , those are people through the middle there, showed a crowd larger than the population of washington, d. C. And well beyond washington, from new york to l. A. In cities and towns and hamlets across this country, from that matter around the world, people came out to demonstrate against gun violence. What brings us back to the subject almost a week later is this. Weve learned a lot more about the kinds of people who came out to protest last weekend and who better to crunch these new numbers than our own National Political correspondent Steve Kornacki at the big board for us tonight . Steve . All right, thanks, brian. Youve got seas of people last weekend around this time. 4 million in washington around the country. The march for our lives if you were there, if you watched it on television, if you read about it, you might have looked at all those people and wondered who there are they, what brought them there, what is it going to mean for politics . A study was done writing a book, she basically did a demographic and political profile of who was marching. Heres some things we thought it was and wasnt and things it actually was and wasnt. How about this, we thought maybe this was a partisan uprising, a bipartisan uprising . It was really about one side of the political spectrum. Almost eight in ten identified themselves as left leaning. You know where they are politically. How about age . Certainly what triggered this was that massive casualty down there in florida. There were some young folks. There were some teenagers, some High School Age and younger there. But the average age, this was squarely middle age, 49 years old was the average age of participants. This was a surprise to me. According to this study, 70 of the marchers there in d. C. , women. And also very well educated. Almost three out of four, at least a bachelors degree from college. So female, very educated. And how about this . This one surprised me, too. Is this your first protest or have you protested before . Only 27 had never protested before. You flip that around, the vast majority according to this study had protested before. What does that tell us . That tells us the way to think about the march for our lives last weekend is not just an isolated event about guns. This is bigger story. About activism on the left in the trump era. These are folks who turned out not just for this but other action during the trump era. They were very well educated, female, on the left politically. What were seeing here maybe is the face of the Democratic Party at the grass roots level in the era of trump. Women college educated, middle age. Through the march for our lives last weekend, and who knows where its going to go forward, brian. Steve kornacki tonight with some fascinating numbers on this 100 student fueled social movement. Steve who is still playing with a hard paw we appreciate it very much. Another break coming up. A look at what happened this week while we were distracted by some other stories when the 11th hour continues. Great, another dead end. Sarge, i just got a tip thatll crack this case wide open turns out the prints at the crime scene awwwww. Did Mcgruffy Wuffy get a tippy wippy . Im serious we gotta move fast before whos a good boy . Is him a good boy . Erg. Im just gonna go. Oh, you wanna go outside . You gotta go tinky poopoo . I already went, ok . In the bathroom as long as people talk babytalk to dogs, you can count on geico saving folks money. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. When it comes to travel, i sweat the details. Late checkout. 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Last thing before we go tonight, roughly 35 million americans are irishamericans, way more than the number of irish in ireland, a nation of only about 4. 5 Million People. We close tonight with an item about our brothers and sisters on the other side. We are thinking of the irish on this Historic Good friday night. Thats because of this pubs have been closed on good friday in ireland since 1928, no alcohol served, no exception, that is until today. Pub owners proudly put out their signs and declared their establishments open for business and while the idea of a breakfast pint doesnt exactly appeal to everybody, we did hear from some happy customers. I went to england ten years ago, ive come back and everythings changed. Good friday in my day you had to eat fish, go to the chapel, no rule in the pub drinking. Ive never known a good friday where there was alcohol sold. Theres children probably born today that will never know one without. Its kind of fun to come in in a morning like this. This is my first pint at this time of the morning. It should feel unnatural but it doesnt really. I think good friday was always a big day for parties, now that were allowed, people might actually take it a bit easy today. Could turn into something. Do you think that the ban was lifted on good friday . I definitely do. I think its about time we had separation of church and state. Interesting last point there about separation of church and state in a country almost 90 catholic. One pub owner said close to half a Million People steam into dublin every weekend. By his thinking, why deprive good friday visitors of a good visit to a iconic friday pub . That is our broadcast. Thank you so much for being here with us. Whatever your persuasion, we wish you a good weekend. Good night from nbc news headquarters in new york