0 thorough review, what he's focused on diplomatically is assuring people we want to strike that balance between privacy and security. having come out of the intelligence community before the state department, i know there are real threats out there. the president knows that. what he talked about with metadata and other things, how we strike that right balance, the changes we're going to make and what we're doing at the state department is going around the world and telling governments what we're doing and not doing, how we want to work together and also telling people all around the world we don't just listen in on average people's phone calls or collect their data if there's not a security reason to do so. >> i wanted to ask you about the travel alert issued for sochi and all of russia really. experts we talked to say within sochi itself at the venues it might be safe. but that elsewhere in russia, that they don't think that going in public transport, taking trains is safe from terror attacks. what is your advise for travelers for the olympians and suspicious of whether edward snowden had russian help before he made his escape, russian help at the very beginning and said it's not hardly a coincidence he ended up in the arms of the russians. these are questions that were also raised by the senate chair, dianne feinstein. do you and administration and you have a background in intelligence, have any indication that edward snowden had help from the russians? >> i think right now the fbi is doing an investigation to answer exactly those questions and see whether or not he did have help from someone else. i think we'll wait until they issue their findings, but setting aside how he got where he is, what we have made clear, he needs to return to the u.s. now to face the charges, very serious charges he faces. and that if he does have these courage of convictions that he talks about, i'm sure he'll talk about it today, he should come back to the united states and face justice for what he's done. we've been very clear about that, no matter how he got before he is today. >> marie harf, thank you so much. >> that new report by the independent bipartisan agency concluded that the nsa's records collection program is illegal and should be stopped. although two of the three panelists dissented they called for major changes. this as the justice department aaccusing the private contractor who conducted edward snowden's background check and majority of background checks of massive fraud. joining me now from the world economic forum in davos, jane harman, president of the woodrow wilson center and key member of the intelligence committee for years. first, your reaction to this conclusion by the privacy panel that the data collection it illegal and should be abandoned? >> well, i don't think it's illegal. i was in congress when we amend the foreign intelligence surveillance act and set in place safeguards and made sure not only did this program comply with law but it was subject to federal court review and congressional oversight. so i don't think it's illegal but i do think we may have reached a tipping point here. this is the latest group to weigh in and say that this vast collection of data is not that useful and infringes substantially on personal privacy. the president tried to address this last friday and said in a short period of time he wants recommendations, but i think at this point we should seriously consider not -- >> congresswoman harman, let me interrupt you just for a moment. we've got breaking news out of miami. stand by if you will. right now in miami, justin bieber has been arrested on a number of charges. the judge is reading the charges, including resisting arrest and driving under the influence, he's appearing now before the judge for his bond hearing. let's watch. >> all right, mr. perez and mr. craigo. >> okay. state? >> on case of mr. bieber the state is asking -- >> your honor, we agree with that. >> okay, what would the standard bond be. >> on the count of resisting without violence $1,000. dui, $1,000 and accounts of driving without a driver's license -- >> corrections on expired dl? >> 500. >> 2500, your honor. >> so the total bond would be $2,500 broken down $1,000 resist ago without violence, $1,000 for the dui and $500 for the expired driver's license. is there anything else before me involving mr. bieber? >> no, your honor, but thank you very much for hearing us right away. we appreciate your courtesy. >> you're welcome. >> corrections, do you need anything else other than what i've noted? >> no, your honor, thank you. >> thank you. >> okay, as you just saw, justin bieber's bond was set at $2500. you heard this after an incident in miami, driving under the influence and some cursing at the arresting officer. let's get back to what we were reporting on. we were talking about the new report on the independent bipartisan agency as well as other foreign policy news, jane harman is i believe still in davos switzerland. if we can pick up the conversation. you were saying you were in congress and you approved and voted for the way the records were not only being held but collection of records. what evidence did you have that you can share or attest to that the collection of so much -- so many records, millions and millions of records, all of the telephone records of americans is worth it because the suggestion has been made if you have everything you have nothing. >> andrea, that is really not what i was trying to say. we approved the contours of the program. we did not approve how much data would be collected and i no longer serve in congress as you know and haven't been on the intelligence committee for some time but what i was trying to say is that at this point, given all of this criticism, especially in europe, it's in the newspaper today that microsoft is going to start using servers outside the united states so that it can keep people's data safe. i can just imagine people in the united states wanting to use the microsoft or other servers outside the united states. this is becoming -- unmanageable. and my suggestion is at this point that we look for alternatives and that section 215 so far as i understood before the president spoke was something the white house was considering abandoning. the president didn't abandon and gave three options. one that has the most appeal to me which he didn't explain carefully is tagging data so you can actually find needles without having to have the haystack. wouldn't that be better? wouldn't that be reassuring to people? at any rate, i want to commend the privacy and civil liberties commission which we set up in 2004. i was one of the authors of the law as part of the intelligence reform law for making a careful stab at this. they weren't fully functioning until last year, it took nine years to have this panel functioning, which is unfortunate. >> let me just clarify and i apologize. thank you for explaining. are you saying that when were in congress and this was set up, you approved the broad contours of it but it was never the intention of the committees in the legislation -- >> no. >> to have so much metadata collected? >> no, i didn't say that. i said we didn't describe how much metadata should be collected. we understood that it was being collected, those decisions were made by the executive branch. i assume nsa and reviewed by a federal court. the fisa court and contours of the program were reviewed on a regular basis and the fisa court as we have all learned since some of its decisions have been made public has disapproved some things and nasa has -- nsa has fisa program by telling people in europe that if they use microsoft as their carrier, the data from that -- that relationship will not be stored in the u.s. will be outside the reach the nsa program in the west. >> thank you. we appreciate you joining us from davos. >> hope it wasn't too confusing. >> nope, perfectly clear from your end. and going back to that breaking news out of miami where justin bieber has appeared before the judge including resist ago arrest and driving under the influence, mark potter is outside the courtroom. mark? >> reporter: andrea, we're outside the miami beach police department. in the 4:00 hour he and another man were drag racing through a residential community here. bieber driving a yellow rented building where they had the bond hearing. one of the things you might have noticed was that the lawyer representing justin bieber one of the most famous in the country, mr. roy black. famous here and famous all around for high profile clients and he told us that he was hired by justin bieber's manager to represent the young star that he has not yet talked to justin bieber. he wasn't able. and was hoping to do that today. our presumgs is now that bond is granted and time required for a release after dui eight hours has passed or about to pass, that sometime today it's likely he'll be released, andrea. >> that is a high profile case, so a high profile lawyer. thank you. in new jersey, chris christie's official schedule has two education related meetings today while the fbi and state democratic leaders dig deeper into the scandal circling his administration. senate majority leader loretta weinberg joins me now. >> thank you. >> there was a hearing of an attorney for mayor zimmer last night in hoboken at the city council. tell me what is the next step regarding the joint legislative investigation? >> well, we announced the joint legislative investigation this week. we will be meeting on monday both the senate and the assembly to formally create the joint committee, to formally name the chair people assemblyman john wisniewski and myself and for the senate president and speaker of the assembly to name members to each committee. we will be receiving the first -- i should say the second round of subpoena documents. i think on february 3rd. those documents will be reviewed and pending what they say, we will decide the order of witnesses that we will ask to come forward to the committee. >> and what about this separate hoboken issue and what mayor zimmer has said. have you had any interactions with lieutenant governor kim guadagno that replicated the scenario that mayor zimmer alleges. >> the allegations that mayor zimmer has made are certainly serious. the denials are certainly strong. and our committee has started with bridgegate and depending upon what these documents show, depending upon what we hear from witnesses, we will then decide whether we are moving into a larger area of an environment of intimidation. but i can't say yet because we really are trying to keep this efficient, impartial and fair to the people that we're going to be calling before us. getting a subpoena and appearing before the committee does not indicate that anybody is guilty of anything. it just indicates that we on the committee want to get more information and we will see as this unfolds over the next couple of weeks. >> so, the committee, joint committee is going to focus initially on the original issue, the closure of the lanes in ft. leon the george washington bridge -- >> then we will decide after we get some answers whether and how we continue to explore the entire environment in new jersey. >> latest poll numbers from rutgers show slumping numbers for governor christie since this all started. yet he's still does have the approval of a majority of citizens in new jersey. how is this do you think affected his mandate and ability to govern? >> well, you know, i think both the governor and legds lure are keenly aware that we've got a lot of problems in new jersey, starting off with the first big problem, on how we solve the growing budget problem and make our pension and health benefit payment that the governor promised to make. so we've got big issues and we are going to have to conduct this investigation and to address those issues at the same time and i think the governor will have to conduct this investigation or participate as he sees fit and continue governing in new jersey. it's going to be difficult and distracting. but the problems that are before us are too important for us to not concentrate on also. >> thank you so much, state senator loretta weinberg, thanks for being with us today. >> we have tragic news where a fire at a nursing home killed three people. 30 residents remain missing. crews have been battling a ball of fire in subzero temperatures making rescue efforts much more dangerous and difficult. most of the residents could not get around on their own. ♪