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Then torpedoing his own peace deal. I took my own advice. And the special Election North Carolina that has the president running scared. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. It was even worse than we thought. We all watched as the president appeared to descend into a madness with a stunt so bizarre its been dubbed sharpie gate. At the time it looked like an incredibly deluded narcissist. That cant admit hes wrong. But the thing you have to remember about this individual is that he is the head of the United States federal government and that matters. It matters to millions of americans where a hurricane goes so when donald trump tweeted alabama will most likely be hit much harder than anticipated, about dorian. The Washington Post reports the the Birmingham Office of the National Weather service got a, quote, flurry of calls into their office. And why wouldnt they . The people of alabama, a vast majority of people whom support President Trump, fairly believed that the president was warning them that a hurricane was heading towards them. In order to convey Accurate Information to the people of alabama so they didnt start do things like boarding their windows, evacuating, abandoning their pets. The birmingham Weather Service office put out a statement strongly contradicting the president s in the interest of the citizens because that was the independent truth. That action started a domino effect that led to commerce secretary wilbur ross threatening to fire people at noaa, a report he denies. Noaa then putting out an unsigned statement undermining its weather experts. Supporting the president s claim. Think about this, this is the president saying that what the weather is even when thats not the weather. For either country that has an independent Weather Service or are we living in the country where the great leader tells us what the leather is, the truth in front of our eyes be damned. Its one or the other. When you think of the scale of the federal government, the whims of the man on top and the incentives he creates, the possibility for abuse and corruption are so broad even when petty and trivial, its hard to get your head around it. Yesterday we learned that the air force had ordered an investigation into airmen staying at trumps Scotland Hotel on the public dime. In the grand scheme of things, not a ton of money. Why are we paying for air men to stay at trumps hotel . They shouldnt stay at trumps hotel and shouldnt be public dollars spent on trumps businesses. End of story. We saw the Vice President direct public money to the hotel. In ireland. The i dont ever Sight Committee is looking into that. Right now we have no idea how much public money has been spent at Trump Properties. The federal government is operating with some degree and integrity and independence. Intelligence and President Trump is undermining and corroding that at every turn. The core concerns the founders have in the office of presidency, reduce the power and corruption. Those are still the core concerns and we have so much evidence of both. Everything from obstructing justice to directing public funds into his own pocket. Today congress returned from august recess and the house judiciary announced it will vote this week on procedures for an impeachment investigation. First things the Committee Says it is investigating are, quote, alleged obstruction of justice, public corruption and other abuses of power by President Trump, his associates and members of his administration. Joining me now, one of the Congress People leading this impeachment, jeremy raskin. Or maryland. Member of the judiciary and overSight Committee. Maybe you can explain to us what this vote is and what these procedures mean . Were voting on procedures that formalize the impeachment investigation. It gives the chairman of the committee the power to denote a particular hearing as part of impeachment inquiry and it also gives him the power to say the particular subcommittee hearing is part of the general impeachment inquiry. Other than that the big part that i took away from it is that after all of the members conduct their traditional fiveminute questioning, both the democrats and the republicans would have a half hour more of questioning by staff available. So it formalizes what were doing as we enter into a new season here. Okay. So that means theres going to be a full house vote on that, is this right . No. This is just in the judiciary. Just in the committee. Its going to vote, formalize the procedures. Is it your understanding at the conclusion of that vote that were formally in a constitutional sense be an impeachment inquiry underway . Look, the constitution doesnt define when its underway. No, im asking you. Look, i think were in it now. I think its great that the committee will formalize it with this procedure. Look, were being hit on a daily basis inundated with new high crimes and misdemeanors. The stuff that we found out about the Vice President s trip to ireland, about the redirection of the air force crews to go to the trump hotel in scotland. Thats amazing stuff. The president has converted the government of the United States into an instrument of selfenrichment. This is the original sin of the Trump Administration. It was the main thing that the framers were trying to prevent. They did not want the government being used as a for profit enterprise by the president. What is the time line here . I want to play for you a little bit of your colleague, jerry nadler whos the chair of this committee, talking about his understanding of the Trump Administrations view of the time line on this and then get your response to it. Take a listen. Well, the president clearly is trying to run out the clock. The president has said he would deny oppose all subpoenas. That was article 3 of the nixon impeachment, that the president imposed subpoenas. Nixon wasnt fool enough to say in advance he was going to oppose all subpoenas. That is a high crime and miss demeanor under the constitution. Obstructing the work of congress in investigating. How do you get around that . And what is the time line here . Well, in an ordinary president ial administration 16 months left to go would be Something Like very near the end of the, you know, fourth quarter, but in trump time, thats an eternity. Can you imagine the damage that he can inflict on the country in the next 16 months . And i think that more and more of our colleagues have come around to the view that we need to be on constitutional high alert. We need every tool in the constitutional tool kit on the table. And so were going to you know, the problem with trump, of course, is that there are too many impeachable offenses. With bill clinton they basically had one thing on the guy. He lied about sex. With donald trump were overwhelmed with the domestic emoluments clause, federal Election Campaign finance and so on. Byron in new york is a conservative pundant and reporter. Was trying to make the case that because theres a scope thats wide, includes a look into the president s involvement in the illegal conspiracy to hide those hush money payments as well as other things, that this is a tacit acknowledgment, the Mueller Report itself, is not sufficient for the beginning of impeachment inquiry. Whats your response to that . I think thats totally wrong. There were dozens of criminal indictments that came out of the mueller investigation. There were seven guilty pleas and criminal convictions and we learned of nine or ten different episodes of president ial obstruction. Its just that thats a very narrow snapshot of all of the lawlessness taking place in the Trump Administration and it happens to be one that is not the most intuitive to the public. I think that the public understands that the president is essentially a businessman, albeit a failed and corrupt businessman, but thats what he is. And he has turned the government into a for profit enter price and hes eluding the assets. Every time he goes down to maralago its costing people 75 to 100,000 for the fbi, secret service, department of defense going right into the coiffeurs into the trump industry. That is precisely what the founders warned us against. Thats why they said in that Case Congress cant even approve of it. In the case of Foreign Government payments, theoretically we could approve of it. I hope in the next few weeks we will formally disapprove. Of every Foreign Government payment he pocketed. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. Joining me are chris lu as well as deputy chief counsel of the house overSight Committee and elizabeth holtzman. Former new york congresswoman. She voted to impeach richard nixon. What do you think, they seem to me always very careful to kind of not they dont want to put pressure on their front line members to have to say take a floor vote. Theyre trying to sort of move this thing along and put it on sounder constitutional footing than it might have been otherwise while not doing that. Is that your read of whats going on here . Yeah. I think the speaker whom i respect enormously is still very, very cautious about the impeachment process, but i think theres still a lot of misunderstanding. Just because you have an impeachment inquiry doesnt mean you have to impeach the president or impeach the president of all possible items. During the nixonism peachment, which is the only successful impeachment process, the committee rejected two proposed articles against the president. Actually, three. So it doesnt mean that youre going to get there but i think youve got to investigate the various strands and then you whittle them down. To what you think you can make a case. Right. We start in the idea also that constitutionally you have to have a vote of the house of representatives before the House Judiciary Committee can proceed is also not true. During the nixon process we started the impeachment inquiry basically right after the saturday night massacre. Through the committee . Through the committee and we didnt have a vote until february. That was from october to february we proceeded without any house vote. Chris, one of the themes here emerging is this idea of personal enrichment across a variety of categories. We have snapshots thanks to some great investigative reporting of how money is flowing into the Trump Enterprises from Foreign Governments and for states and their backers. We have some reporting about how government money, American Public money is flowing into there. We also know that there was a big business deal with russia overhanging the entire shenanigans of 2016. What is your view of that, both the politics and sort of law of that centrality of that . Thats right. What were talking about is a legal and political case. This strengthens the houses hand when it goes into court to try to force documents, try to compel witnesses that can answer a lot of these questions. As you know, courts are reluctant to get into the middle of disputes between the two branches. When congress is not acting properly it has much more power. If you can get the documents, in particular the grand jury materials as part of the mueller investigation, you can actually hold hearings, public hearings, frame them within impeachment and that then builds the political case. So weve seen different strands along the way about abuse of power but this is a way to grab a lot of those documents. Particularly the tax returns which weve been unable to get our hands on so far. The department of justice argued in court about turning over documents that congress the courts cant enforce congressional subpoena and that only doj can. That if Congress Wants documents and they want that subpoena enforced, they have to ask doj to enforce it. Against the president of the United States. Thats an audacious claim. You have an audacious attorney general. A puppet for the president of the United States. The nerve of him having a 30,000 party at trumps hotel, just hes licking the ground for trump. Its disgusting to see attorney generals have no independence here. Its not just the money going into the trump organization. Its going directly whether its immediately or in the future. To trump himself. Because he is the sole beneficiary of the trust and we cant forget that. Yes. He is being paid. In the ratification of the constitution, what was the remedy . For violating. Impeachment. And keep in mind this. We dont have a window into the various flows of money that go into the president s pocket . Divide them into three category, foreign states. We have some reporting on that. Taxpayer dollars. We have some reporting on that but not comprehensive accounting. New york times at filings. 5. 6 million has been spent on Trump Properties by political candidates or Party Organizations including by trumps own political operation. In the four years before trumps bid they collected a total of only 119,000 in federally regulated payments from political groups. So he is being essentially bribed by these campaigns and political campaigns which is a different issue than it is for the government. We only know that because that money is all transparently documented by the ftc. This is a case of really vigorous reporting thats getting our arms around all of these things but were going to know a lot more if the House Democrats are able to get their hands on these financial documents, but its important to separate this out. Its one thing were talking about the trump hotel when its private money going to him, but its another thing when hes pushing the g7 to hold their next meeting at doral which then puts not only u. S. Government money but Foreign Government money into his pocket and then when hes diverting planes to the scottish airport and then military funds being diverted to his back pocket. Thats a whole different level. Of seriousness. We do not know if the planes have been explicitly diverted because of the president of the United States. Thats a subject of the president that we only know for sure which itself of course should be barred flat out as a simple matter of ethical consequences of interest. If the president stymies any of it and how they were used and his role in it, there should be a complete inference that he himself is guilty here because this is like taking the fifth amendment if hes covering this up. Chris and elizabeth, thank you both. Next, more on the reporting that wilbur ross threatened to fire top officials for a statement contradicting the president on Hurricane Dorian. The details in two minutes. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or noaa is an incredibly important part of the government. As an agency they do a huge amount of our climate science, monitor the ocean. Coastal marine environments, they also run one of the most trusted parts of the entire federal government, the National Weather service, which is the agency tasked with warning us about dangerous weather like, say, a hurricane. Noaa weirdly is part of the Commerce Department which is run by that gentleman, wilbur ross. And today we found out through some pretty remarkable reporting in the New York Times that secretary ross reportedly threatened to fire top employees at noaa after that agencys office in birmingham contradicted the president s false tweet claiming that Hurricane Dorian would hit alabama. I should tell you the secretary denies this. The whole controversy has absolutely been an earthquake in the people that worked for noaa past or present and who viewed their scientific independence as absolutely sacrosanct. One meteorologist told the Washington Post quote this is the first time i felt pressure from above to not say what truly is the forecast. Director of the National Weather service spoke today at a major weather industry conference in huntsville, alabama. He made a point to single out the Birmingham Office for praise. [ applause ] someone who knows noaa from the inside, monica medina. Principal undersecretary of noaa. The cofounder of environmental news site our daily planet. Lets start with that. That is such an amazing snapshot of the ethos of the folks that work as Civil Servants in this agency to produce factual information for the public. And they do it every day, day in, day out. They are true blue public servants. They fly through hurricanes. They worked round the clock during this storm to deliver the most Accurate Information that every single other Weather Forecast works from and to have them be undermined that way was just really abhorrent. So theres two things that happened here, right . Theres wilbur ross, according to the reporting, threatening to fire folks at noaa because of the contradiction and then an unnamed statement put out by the noaa Communications Office disassociating themselves with the tweet of the Birmingham National Service Office and basically saying the president was not wrong. Right. Why does that matter . It matters because the forecasters need to know that the Political Leadership at noaa will back them up. Now they dont. They will think twice. It could take them time to get that information out. It could be misinformation that came from anywhere. Now theyll worry that they shouldnt make those corrections and that time they lose to get the clearance to put the correct information out is critical. Critical. And i honestly think what ross did was beyond. It you know, to save the president and his thin skin and his fragile ego, its not more important than saving the lives of americans, its just not. Do you think he should resign . I do think he is should resign. You think its that serious . I do. He denies it. Its a basic public trust agency. It runs within the trust, that the leadership will allow them to do the job and it runs outside the agency on the trust that the public has that the forecast is right. Now Trump Supporters may think its wrong. Right. Right. Some liberal a bunch of libs there. You cant trust them. When they tell you a tornado is coming. Yes. Every day at our daily planet we try to explain why these stories matter. This is not the only time when the Publics Trust has been violated because theyve undermined scientific integrity within an agency. This time the publics safety in the immediate time frame was put at risk by this. We should say noaas chief scientist is going to investigate. Yes. As he should. Theres also a broader question here which you just referred to. This is an agency that aside from the National Weather service does a ton of climate work. A ton. And there has been from the moment the Trump Administration took over worries about precisely this. Would they be able to maintain their scientific integrity and independence amidst pressure and weve seen them do things at epa, usda and theyve moved some client scientists out of washington to get rid of them. Does this concern you . About the future of noah . Absolutely. Absolutely. These storms are getting more and more severe. Weve seen five category fives in the last three years. This is critical that we have this Climate Information that we need that we actually need to grow the Weather Service to be able to handle this kind of stress. The storms are coming out of the floods, the fires. We dont even have the ability to do the kind of fire forecasting that we have for tornadoes and floods and hurricanes. We need to expand the Weather Service, strengthen them, empower them, give them more resources to take on this incredible challenge that we have ahead of us. What does it mean for the sort of for everyone else throughout the federal government, not just to noaa, who are functioning as Civil Servants, who are working on all sorts of things that have to do with climate or other independent scientific findings to watch this all play out in public . I think its an earthquake. Ive heard from people at noaa myself who say theyre devastated and theyre worried that the agency wont be able to recover. Surely all their colleagues, they work with other agencies every single day. People talk. They understand the threat here. Its wonderful that louie is willing to speak up and Craig Mcclain the head of science is willing to investigate. I hope that empowers the Civil Servants to keep trying to do their job every day, but i worry that the Chilling Effect has already set in. Does it have an effect if. Absolutely. People dont want to lose their jobs. People dont want to lose their jobs and they dont want to have to worry and make the second guesses. The second beat in your head. Yes. In fact, sometimes that time is critical. In alabama in 2015 there was a storm that came through. There was a regatta going on and the locals didnt really heed the forecast. Six people died. Six people died in the course of a day as the forecast changed. Six people died because they were in harms way because they were having fun sailing in the mobile bay. And instead now weve got the president undermining that local forecast office. Great point. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Our daily planet is one of the cosponsors for our 2020 Climate Forum next thursday and friday. My colleague ali velshi and i will be asking people about climate policies. Fielding questions from young voters. Were live on nbc news now. September 19th and 20th we hope youll join us. Next, a year after they were caught committing Election Fraud, North Carolina republicans are desperately trying to hold on to their ninth congressional district. Hope you know about tomorrows big election after this. Tomorrow is election day in a race that will decide the final Congressional Election and the first bell weather in the 2020 political field. Its a crazy story weve covered. A congressional race in North Carolina. North carolina 9 is a strong republican district. Donald trump carried it by 12 points in 2016. Romney won it by 12 points four years earlier. Reliably red. Last November Mark harris republican candidate appeared to squeak out a very narrow victory over dan mccready. It quickly came clear that harris had hired an exfelon who allegedly ran a widespread fraud operation that involved sometimes paying people to illegally collect, fill out and forge absentee ballots. The fraud was so statistically a so widespread. Took the step of invalidating the results and unanimously ordered a new election. Mark harris gave up his fight for a congressional seat. The man he hired that did the fraud, leslie was indicted on felony charges, accused of obstruction of justice and illegal possession of an absentee ballot. He is not alone. Quote, seven other people were also indicted with the Election Fraud inquiry. This new election tomorrow has republicans panicked because polling shows it to be neck in neck in a plus 12 trump district which is why the president is down there tonight. Joining me now to talk more about why this race is a cause for concern for republicans, david graham, a staff writer at the atlantic based in North Carolina writing about this race. David, you can sort of see how intensely the Republican Party and the president and the Vice President are focused on this race. Why and what do we know about what it looks like . I think theyre very focused on this because if they lose its embarrassing. Its a district carried by republicans. They had historically carried it. There hasnt been a democrat in the district for 56 years. If this is a loss, i think it looks very bad for the president , not only for the symbolic reasons but charlotte is where the republicans are holding their convention in 2020. He wants somebody to greet him when he gets off the plane. We dont know what the result is going to be. Both sides think its going to be very close. Its a cliche, but it looks like it will come down to turnout which is low because its a special election. Who are the two candidates . Dan mccready is the one that ran the first time and then dan bishop is going to replace mark harris who after a lot of bluster and taking offense and indignation that anyone would suggest his campaign had something to do with Election Fraud and he had to step away. Right. So mccready is a democrat running again. Hes a marine veteran. Went to Harvard Business school. Started a solar energy company. Running for the seat for three years. Very sort of by the book moderate dude. Dan bishop, his opponent, is a state senator, fairly conservative presence. He was the sort of genius behind hb2, the bathroom bill very controversial a couple of years ago. Hes a presence in state politics as well. Theres been a lot of spending from both sides on this race because there arent a lot of special elections this year. What do you think it ultimately says i mean, its our first read of a nonpolling read about what actual voters are doing in this environment. Right. I mean, i think one question is does this sort of we will protect your health care and were not going to rock the vote that a lot of people used in 2016 can work. Can they work in 2020. Thats where mccready is running. Im curious dan bishop seems to be running a very im basically Donald Trumps emissary, vote for me. Right. Its a litmus test for trump. Whether they went against trump in 2018 but are having a Second Thought against democrats or dont like trump. Mccready isnt hammering the trump connection. Hes staying away from the National Political angle. Voters seem angry about trump and bishop when theyre supporting mccready. Its also sort of a test of where the temperature of these metro area suburban districts relatively well educated as this district is as i understand it are in 2019 as opposed to 2018. We know the story because we had a much bigger dataset. This is the first time were running a dataset eight months later, nine months later. Thats right. The real difference for mccready is where his numbers are in mclenberg county. Entering suburbs of charlotte. If he gets a lot of voters, he has a good chance. Bishop can get a lot of people out there. Theyll come out and well see what the electorate might be like and what they care about most in 2020 from these results. I will just say, i note this for the record. The president was down in North Carolina. Hes doing this rally essentially for this reason on election eve. He told this insidious and spurious lie about millions of people voting illegally in california when hes at a rally for the race in which the only Election Fraud we know that is documented that impacted a race and got a guy elected and had to be thrown out is the race that he is at a rally for. You know, its interesting. North Carolina Republicans have been talking for a long time very strictly about voter i. D. And the importance of stopping Election Fraud. After this election things have been a little bit quieter. David graham, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. Ahead, the president invites the taliban to camp david and managed to undo months of careful diplomatic details. Negotiations. Plus tonights thing 1, thing 2 is next. If you have medicare, listen up. Medicare alone only covers 80 of your cost, leaving you to pay the rest. Changes to medicare are no laughing matter. 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If you cannot understand that. Its not your fault. What he says is the queen wishes it in norman french, because why not. Theres sad element. Were not going to get to hear this guy anymore. Order. Order. And thats thing 2 in 60 seconds. Speaker of the house of commons john berk how who yells order a lot announced he will step down by october 31st, the day the u. K. Is scheduled to leave the e. U. He tried to keep order in a time of absolute disorder. Sf in parliament. And became controversial in the process. As the telegraph describes it he used the usually impartial office of speaker to frustrate brexit inevitably irking the brexiteers. Its hard to be thankful for these moments. Order. Aaaammm. Order. Order. The chancellor. When he turns up at our Childrens School as a parent, hes a very well behaved fellow. Dont gesticulate, behavior self. Be a good boy, young man. Be a good boy. The simple answer is that the government must comply with the humble address passed by the house. 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This is one of the videos tweeted out last night. Brian enton from miami fox affiliate. These are desperate people from bahamas attempting to get to the United States after the devastation of Hurricane Dorian being told that unless they had a visa they had to leave the ferry that was supposed to transport them to safety. This is not normal u. S. Policy. Requirements having no criminal record, valid passport and Police Certificate issued within the last few months. Brian enton tweeted that the Ferry Company was told by u. S. Customs officials that people without visas would not be accepted. They blamed the Ferry Company. Late today the Ferry Company issued another statement. We boarded these passengers with the understanding they could travel to the United States without visas only to later having been advised that in order to travel to ft. Lauderdale they required prior in person authorization from immigration authorities in nassau. Amidst all of the confusion, today the president swoops in to take credit essentially for turning away desperate, devastated storm wrecked survivors. Weve had some tremendous problems with people going to the bahamas that werent supposed to be there. I dont want to allow people that werent supposed to be in the bahamas to come to the u. S. Who is he talking about . They went there to sneak in after the storm . He then goes on to characterize those individuals as, quote, very bad people, including, quote very bad gang members and, quote, very, very bad drug dealers. Hes talk willing about people who are trying to get off storm ravaged islands to go to safety. Climate emergencies are going to hit this earth with vastly unequal force and unequal effect and the places most exposed to storms and Sea Level Rise and heat and those places that are poorest are going to be sent fleeing. 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He claimed it was due to the latest Taliban Attack in afghanistan. Including an american last week. It doesnt totally square with the consistent reporting which instead strongly suggests the president looking for a big photo op basically insisted on a completely unworkable summit and then abandon it when it became unworkable. He didnt want it to be a celebration of the deal. Mr. Trump wanted to be a dealmaker who would put the final parts himself or be perceived to be. So in the process donald trump appears to have shortcircuited ten months of careful negotiations that his own afghanistan point person had been working on. Here to explain further, New York Times foreign correspondent, also msnbc contributor, and former undersecretary of political affairs, ambassador wendy sherman. Lets start with the context of what the situation on the ground in afghanistan looks like and the subject of these talks. So lets back up a bit. The reason is United States is in afghanistan at all is because on 9 11 we learned that Osama Bin Laden was given safe haven by the taliban. We went into afghanistan because of al qaedas presence. The problem with these talks is that al qaeda remains in afghanistan, the last four United Nations Security Council reports all state this. Theyre harboring their active al qaeda groups in talibancontrolled territory where theyre doing the same thing they were doing back then . Exactly. The leadership was there. You can see this in the july report at the u. N. Security council. They have trainers, advisers, theyre fighting alongside the taliban. So al qaeda remains there. This is one of the key elements of this deal. The taliban is supposed to renounce al qaeda, but theres no monetary mechanism when the u. S. Withdraws and leaves. Theres an issue of the delicacy of this which much the negotiations happening in doha and working up through various folks in the u. S. Side and the taliban side didnt involve the Afghan Government and then they were like ccd on the email to come to camp david. Its a tough thing to pull off a deal with the taliban if the Afghan Government hasnt bought in. Indeed and the they were not going after the Afghan Government which the taliban hates completely. And i cant say theres any love loss by the president of afghanistan for the taliban. It is true that the American People and even the Obama Administration wanted to look for an exit strategy out of afghanistan. Kalil azad is a capable professional. He was doing the very difficult work of these negotiations. But not including the Afghan Government. They will understand the most searing meeting i had back when i was counselor to Madeleine Albright in the Clinton Administration was that a refugee camp in pakistan where women had been driven out of afghanistan by the taliban and i had to listen to young girls who were my daughters age at the time talk about watching their sisters being raped, being thrown out the window, teachers who could not teach, doctors who could not do medical services. And so women were not included in these negotiations at this point either. There was an enormous amount of work ahead, the president thought he could short circuit it, but these negotiations need persistence, detail, attention, and interagency process. None of that existed here. Youre talking about the talibans record, which has been awful and brutal and bloody and the fact theyre harboring al qaeda. Its 18 years they have been here. At some point some american president is going to cut a peace deal with the taliban. The taliban will be there after the u. S. Leaves. Thats why this is still going. Yes. So its going to have to happen at some point, right . We gave up our leverage when the president when this president and the last one announced we are going to leave afghanistan. This is a terrorist group. Even if we didnt announce it, they would no that . Yes. America is not going to be in afghanistan forever . Yes. We have been in japan forever. We have been in korea forever. These are the examples that people on the flip side point out. But i think that the way that this is shaping up, either we leave afghanistan with really no deal in place, or no deal that is enforceable. Right. Or we stay there forever. So we are in an impossible situation. Both options are pretty bad. Heres whats so perverse about this. People want the Afghanistan War to end. It is the longest war in the history of the american republic. We have fought a lot of wars and its the longest one. I really think the only person who could sell a deal to 40 of the country is donald trump because if barack obama was hanging out at camp david with the taliban, the right would absolutely lose its mind. We saw of them lose their mind when we got a soldier back from the taliban and did a deal with them to get him back. Absolutely. Theres an aspect where i dont know how this ends literally unless donald trump somehow finds a way to end it. I agree with you in the sense that donald trump certainly has the chutzpah to try to get this deal done no matter what, but remember, even the deal as it has been leaked out to the press would leave some american troops there for a substantial period of time. So its not like getting every last soldier out and i think the tell on this particular secret summit is that although our hearts break for the family that lost the american soldier and the other civilians that were killed in this latest attack, 16 americans have died in this year alone. So this wasnt just about american soldiers dying. This was the president of the United States confronting the fact that he was not going to get a deal at camp david in the of any kind finale that he likes to look for. So it couldnt happen. He clearly wanted the nobel prize photo shot. Thats clearly what happened. Final question, weve seen 16 American Service members killed this year. Yes. Very much higher pace of violence, grisly strikes on wedding parties. Yes. I dont understand, is this the taliban showing off their muscles . Exerting leverage in the midst of the talks . I think its the taliban being the taliban. Once again, we played our hand when we said that we are leaving, right . So once they know this, theres no leverage that we have. Thank you both. That is all in for this evening. 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