0 will not negotiate. >> let me repeat, nobody gets to hurt our economy and millions of hard working families over a law you don't like. >> as the president stands firm, republicans continue to turn on each other. >> there's so much opposition to that policy, it's madness, going absolutely nowhere. >> i think what we're going to do is play out the strategy that i would call that's kind of an oxymoron because it's really not a strategy. >> with the gop in disarray, the right-wing media is working overtime to spin a government shutdown. >> 800,000 federal workers furloughed, okay? most people won't know that. >> this is a pinprick. it is not the end of the world. >> people are probably going to realize they can live with a lot less government. >> maybe i'm just one of the few people, i'm just not -- this doesn't impact me mentally. we've had 17 government shutdowns. >> look at this. >> that is such an appropriate headline. how do they get away with that? >> inappropriate and accurate. it's just not accurate. >> while fox news attempts to rebrand the shutdown, a slim down in some epic denialism. the real effects of the shut down are unfolding across america. an army post in huntsville, alabama, people are stocking up on perishable. >> everybody is shot be today trying to get as much as they can get because they don't know what's going to happen. >> a furloughed employee in new york, virginia prepares to find new work. >> it's devastating. >> what's next for you? >> make some money on the side, cut some grass, bartend, whatever. >> and in the nation's capital today, as world war ii veterans stormed the barricades of the shuttered world war ii memorial, the republicans lawmakers who shut the town down tried to hold a press conference amidst the shouting protesters. >> you guys are worthless! >> an overwhelming 72% of americans are opposed to a government shutdown to block the implementation of obama care. we're watching in realtime the consequences of that shutdown playing out almost like everyone said they would. >> it gives the president a bully pulpit and a gigantic stick on which to beat us. >> this is going to be a complete disaster. >> if only october john boehner listened to march john boehner. >> there's no reason to get into a debate about shutting down the government. it's just not a smart thing to do. >> joining me now is white house press secretary jay carney. we're hearing the house of representatives is going to pass and send over to the senate for a bunch of mini crs for things they feel are inconveniencing their constituents. >> it demonstrates the lack of seriousness the house republicans have known in approaching this very simple task, which is fulfilling their responsibility to keep the government open, to extend funding at current levels, no partisan strings attached by democrats, no partisan strings attached by the president, just do your job, fund the president, keep it open. the president said as he has said all along and has all year to discuss negotiations about broader budget issues, how we invest to make our country secure and continue to reduce the deficits. but in a balanced way. this approach demonstrates they're still not serious. it's like they're cherry picking little pieces to keep open because it's inconvenient to keep them shut. the right thing to do if they want them open is to keep them open. >> right now we're going to go to the october 17th debt ceiling limit as announced by the treasury. at a certain point if this extends, does there come a tipping point at which the white house will not sign off on a deal that doesn't also include a debt ceiling raise? because it seems to me that a week from now if you're passing something to get us out of the shutdown and turning around and finding yourselves staring down the barrel of another fight of the debt ceiling, that doesn't do anyone any good. >> let me say two things, chris. join with us because ultimately a lot of the senior republicans in the senate know that this is so destructive to the republican brand to own this dysfunction that the republicans do right now. >> there's already a battle brewing in the press about the reality of what this shutdown looks like. what are you expecting to hear from your constituents as it plays out? >> i think people are pretty tired of hearing about this. they're used us to walking up to the precipice, the cliff, the deficit and then walking it back. we're starting to get phone calls from people who didn't really think they were going to get furloughed who are now out a paycheck, from seniors who thought their social security claim was going to get processed but isn't. you're going to see a mounting furor from the public. i'll admit, some people just blame everybody but people who know it's not everybody, know it's the republicans to blame. you'll see how devastating this is and how simple it is to fix if john boehner just called a clean vote on the continuing resolution. >> thank you. i mentioned three mini bills that would fund government benefits, government operations in washington and national parks. those were all defeated moments ago. this is the latest strategy after failing to receive two-thirds of the votes necessary to pass, for a procedural reason i'm not going to explain," the president threatened to veto any mini bills if they made it through congress and these didn't make it through congress. the senator from illinois joins me. now the house leadership can't even get the votes to pass the gimmicky stuff they want to pass to try to blame democrats or the senator or the white house. >> i think what they want to do is say, oh, you see those democrats wouldn't open up the parks and they wouldn't open -- you know, help the veterans. it doesn't really work because they don't get to pick and choose what parts of the government that they want. but, chris, i want to say one thing. i think you're missing something. >> please. >> today was the first day of obama care. over 2.8 million people went to web sites across the country. in illinois we had over 10,000 people -- is that right -- and apply for applications, web sites crashed all across the country for people who signed up and wanted to get information. so what is it the republicans want to hold hostage now? they've been on the floor saying we have to do this because everyone hates obama care, they don't want this, this is dangerous, nobody should sign up. and people are. so what is it that they're going to now say we're going to hold up the continuing resolution, we're not going to raise the debt ceiling. really? to get rid of obama care? it looks really popular as of today. >> and i think one of the things that republicans have feared and they've been arguing kind of in the alternative in a way that is in tension with itself is that it's a disaster people hated and we have to stop it now before people try it because then it will be too hard to get rid of it. >> and what we've been saying is that their greatest fear is not that it will fail but that it will succeed. so if today is any indication, and i know that there are still glitches and some of the web sites slowed down, i think it was healthcare.gov because so many people were on but, you know, there's an article about one guy who had to wait three hours. he said to save $6,000, i would have waited all day, it fine with me. >> do you think that there's a relationship -- one of the things that's interesting about today is the two things landed on the same date, the government shutdown essentially over defending obama care or delaying a key provision or the implementation of the law. is this an accident or have we hit kind of pay dirt, the deep issue, the deep fight in american politics between the left coalition and right coalition as they are constituted? >> well, i mean, the days are -- the day was set four years ago -- or three years ago, in 2010 when the affordable care act was passed. it was october 1st, it made some sense. let's remember that democrats still had control of the house of representatives and no one anticipated that this was -- that this was going to happen. so the convergence in some way we thought was an unhappy one, but it turns out that it may be really advantageous for us that we have these two things happening on the same day because i think that they are left now without an argument. >> congresswoman jan schakowsky of illinois, thank you for your time. >> coming up. >> he lost his mom to an illness. she didn't have insurance and couldn't afford the care she needed. he's told his story across america so nobody else would have to go through what his family experienced. >> what happened to the little boy who stood by president obama's side as he signed the affordable care act? we're going to find out. 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