presidential election whereas state legislature could send a slate that doesn't win the popular vote in that state. so democracy reform really has to be at the top of our agenda. >> when you look at the january 6th investigation, the idea is to figure out what went wrong. who should be held responsible and make sure it doesn't happen again. when you have folks like bannon and meadows refusing to testify, how is it that congress plans on getting the information that they need? >> it makes it much harder. i have confidence in our chair, bennie thompson, that he will find a way to get the documents he needs. the information he needs, but obviously they're putting up roadblocks, and you identified the key issue. it's not just about accountability which is important. it's about making sure this never happens again. i don't understand how anyone who watched the scenes on television wouldn't be horrified. we looked weak to the world having our capitol overrun.