justify what they were saying, these fraud claims. the committee's not giving them a public stage to do that because they think most debunk and they want the actual information people have about how this effort came together behind the scenes. i think they're willing to let that bluster go, and people come in and answer serious questions. >> bluster actually, fantastic for testimony. good to see you. thank you for joining us. kyle cheney legal affairs reporter for politico. i bring in olivia troy, with mike pence, former, on matter of counterterrorism. good morning. thank you for being with us. you know this but a lot of republicans maybe don't realize, maybe coming to the realization, this is an inflexes point for republicans, right? either got to make a decision we're not republicans anymore or really are republicans and you are not our matter, donald trump, and the lunatics who did that rally in florence, arizona,