obviously, a lot of the people were called up, people who are veterans of the wars in the pro-russian forces, and they know what they're doing. >> i don't know how long you have been in ukraine but what can you tell me about what happened -- >> for a month. >> for a month? >> yes. >> got it. >> but you are the chief foreign affairs correspondent for "the wall street journal," what you can tell me about the way that ukraine rehabilitated to the oustering of the pro-russian president back in 2014, and what that could mean for how ukraine and kyiv is going to react to the russians today? >> well, there's very little support for russia, and russia's president here in kyiv, and back then, in 2014, the president, who decided that russia would be ousted by a popular president,