and here is the thing. the lights did work. and as such, they have consequences. unnecessary covid deaths are a consequence of those lies. the capital insurrection was a consequence of those lies. the erosion of voting rights in defense of election integrity, is a consequence of those lies. these are just three of the consequences. what lies down the line? what do we do about? it asked, those of us who don't believe the. lies believe that joe biden won. and that the vaccine works. that we don't get our political prognostications from a perform pillow salesman. what do we do about it? leading off our discussion tonight, ben rhodes, former national security adviser to president obama. his new book is after the fall, the american in the world we've made. ravi perry, is a professor and chair of howard university's department of political science. ben collins is a senior reporter at ms nbc news. it is relevant to have all three of you here this evening.