that news report. teams in the united states versus europe, where there are no salary caps. and that may have been just been and you don't see any effort that he was surprised. how does it affect you when you difference in the salary capped hear testimony like this? players versus the players who >> this is astounding if you think about it. don't have any salary caps at the president is protecting all? >> of course not because winning russia, it appears to be the is everything. case, at the expense of an ally, and it's the same thing among ceos. all they want is to be richer ukraine. and he's prepared to hold back than their friend ceos. the money doesn't really matter $400 million of security what does is the rank. assistance that that country >> this incentive issue is what needs to defend itself against you're finding, that incentives russian aggression because he's in the real world don't work the more interested in defending way we might think they do? russia than defending an ally for example, the argument about that the united states congress welfare disincentivizing people. decided should receive foreign they won't try to work if you assistance to the tune of $400 give them welfare. million. and if you think about it in what did you find about that? >> similarly, the poor also terms of these diplomats that are going to be testifying this don't stop working if there are no incentives for them to work. week, if you look at the record that's also an illusion. of william taylor, of marie yavonovitch, of george kent, it's now been demonstrated in these are diplomats who have country after country. poor country, rich country, spent their whole careers