take this opportunity to live and contribute away from her. >> dr. paul harmatz, thank you very much for taking the time to join us tonight, we really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> and we turn now to the politics of governing. the politics of persuasion. and what it might take to convince the trump administration to save isabel's life. joining us now is maria estevete, former chief of staff to president clinton and lecturer at university of california berkeley school of law. thank you for joining us tonight. you've worked in a presidential administration. you know the way the thinking works. you know the way persuasion works. what would you suggest as an approach to try to persuade the trump administration to pull back on what is a death sentence? >> i think the first thing to