came of it. it would be our job -- the truth telling squad and not a fun job. it's an easier job telling the president about allegations. it's harder to tell him on the back and that's wasn't true. >> what was generally discussed on that topic was whether the fraud abuse or irregularities -- would that be outcome determinative? and i think everyone's assessment in the room. at least among the staff marc short, myself and greg j. pope, was that it was not sufficient to be outcome determinant. >> it's the right of any candidate to litigate genuine