william barr, we don't find information, transparency, honesty die when they go to the department of justice now. so it falls on the oversight committee to be as aggressive as they can. they can drag people in, force someone to testify. if they don't want to testify, they can call in the sergeant of arms and put them in the jail under the congress. >> that is the behavior we have to see from the oversight committee. >> it sounds like episode 24, whatever, tangled analogy you want to use. i hit mcfaul and the straw thing. but i do a lot of bad analogys myself. >> that's okay. >> when you get beyond the fan fiction, you are saying no the record suggests that they will push as far as possible. >> exactly. >> whether it's defying a subpoena or sending lewandowski to act in a way about speaker pelosi today she thought was contempt chum, hold him in contempt and what do you do ten? how do you respond to that? they're seeing what they can get