investigation and congressional investigations of that, the white house is pretty much stonewalled on just about every request they've had from congress. they exerted executive privilege to prevent former aides from testifying. they refused to hand over documents. so this is just another example where they're not going to give an inch. so far and some of these cases are making their way through the court system but so far it has been a pretty effective strategy for the white house and has put democrats kind of on the defensive and confused about their next step. i think the way the trump white house views it is they're going to fight every single thing and win or lose ultimately it's a win to sort of be aggressive toward the democrats, put them on the defensive, and make them fight for every bit of information. >> anita, there has ban school of thought out there, certainly you heard this during the mueller investigation, the mueller saga, some political level, some strategic level the