highest level could inadvertently make it into the box of autographs that you collected while you were president. >> i think that's absolutely right. this is the kind of document that you wouldn't be on your desk in the pile with all of the other things of your to do list. these are kept in special places, kept in skips, which is a secure come martinton information facility. they aren't just lying around. and for someone to take proactive steps to obtain these documents. and that's an important factor because it points toward the woefulness aspect of this. unlike many times, it's necessary when you have an a violation of the espionage act to showed not only the person knew that they had the thing, but they knew it was illegal to have the thing. so, if it took extraordinary steps to take it and retain it and you refused to produce it even after you were asked to voluntarily produce it and