Americans among the terrorists. Theres conflicting information and the fbi is investigating. This of course is video from inside the mall moments after the terrorists stormed inside saturday. Authorities now say at least 62 people have been killed and another 175 people injured. Nbc joins us from outside the mall. What is the latest there . We see a few military personnel behind you. Reporter thats right, many military personnel are here and been saying the last few hours they have been closing in on the terrorists, the militants who overran the Shopping Mall three days ago and took many hostages and unknown number of hostages through the day. We have seen a thick black smoke billowing from this massive Shopping Mall. Weve heard gunfire. Weve heard explosions and weve seen a great deal of panic and confusion with police out here clearing the streets at several points over the last few hours. So still a great deal of confusion here but the kenyan authorities are speaking with a great deal of finality about this. They have been talking about a final assault, granted they have been speaking about yesterday afternoons assault, this mornings assault in similar terms. But they are fairly confident certainly publicly so far today, tamron. As i pointed out it is around 9 00 p. M. There. You say a final assault. Are there any indications that we might see an incredible show of military force going in to finally end this with certainty . Reporter tamron, its incredibly difficult to say. We know there has been a great deal of activity happening a few hundred meters behind me in sh giant Shopping Mall and things have gone a little quiet in the last hour or so. That might mean there has been a significant breakthrough and might indicate progress from the perspective of the Kenyan Military here. We simply dont know but government officials have been speaking incredibly positively and increasingly positive over the last few hours about the progress of this incredibly complex operation. More on what we know about the militant Group Al Shabab is based in neighboring somalia where it once controlled the capital and southern parts of the country. They are also known to run a large recruiting organization in several cities within the United States, including minneapolis, columbus, ohio and seattle. Let me bring in our special news nation panel. Bob win drum and Time Magazine joining us from washington, michael leiter. Thank you for your time. Bob, we know about an hour, 3 k3 00 p. M. , this mosque in minnesota will hold a News Conference and by all ktsz the imam is accused of convincing young men to fight in somalia. The key thing to understand here is that this mosque is not so much a center of recruiting. It is a center of where there was a lot of peer to peer discussions as u. S. Officials describe it in 2006, 2007. And initially what you saw back then was recruiting based on nationalism, ethiopia invaded somalia and the recruiting pitch was your father fought against the ethiopians, what are you doing . What we know is theres a lot of people who want to this mosque and wound up in somalia but making that connection in terms of very specific recruiting is not there. Theres never been any charges against these people. It is interesting theyve chosen today to hold this News Conference. Im sure they will say we have no link to but they are attempting to get in front and weve seen it widely reported that the young men as bob pointed out feel compelled for whatever reason. The fbi has not confirmed there are any americans linked to this terror attack but it is a reasonable question at least right now. We know as bob said, we know that young men have gone from this country to somalia over several years and a smaller subset have ended up in al shabaab. The fbi documented this and they have reams and reams of information on this. But we dont know whether any of them were actually involved in this particular sent out a tweet on their account implying that americans were involved with this. But its often in their interest and part of their propaganda machine. There have been rumors about an english woman being described as white widow, who supposedly led this attack. This is all still in the realms of propaganda and supposition. We dont have any hard facts. Michael, let me bring you in. President obama is meeting with the nigerian president and says in this statement release, terror anywhere is terror on all of us in reaction to the attacks in kenya but michael, i heard prior reports from you saying this particular mall was seen as a target, seen as a western sized mall. And if that is the case, why wasnt there tighter security giving what happened in 1988 and bombing of u. S. Embassies and including there were threats of revenge from al shabaab after authorities taken in kenya. Threats in kenya are always common. Youre absolutely right this mall really has been seen as a potential target for quite some time. But frankly, it is quite a challenge to defend public spaces, paces whereby definition people are going to be coming and going quite frequently. Its very difficult to harden these against the type of attack we saw in nairobi, which is multiple individuals with automatic weapons and grenades. You can put up barriers and stop car bombs but in sort of attack really styled a lot after what we saw in mumbai in 2008 is a really challenging one to defend against. I do want to say also, i think the graphic you showed before, it really is not correct to say that al shabaab continues to have large recruiting operations in these american cities. There was recruiting in 2007, 2008, largely in the cities you identified but through good collaboration through the fbi and state and local authorities and somali communities that were key to this, that was really choked off. What we have seen from somalia is farwesterners and not all are of somali origin. The most significant leader was from alabama, a gentleman who was probably killed a few weeks ago but we cant look at this in the u. S. As a somali problem. Absolutely. Also, we cant look at this as simply retaliation against kenya. We know that the same opera tifs or this al qaeda sect has gone after ethiopia in seeking revenge, michael. Thats absolutely right. Its gone after ethiopia for the 2006 attack. It was rs behind the 2010 world cup bombing in uganda. It is true that u. S. Officials and british officials and the like have been very closely watching somalia because they have threatened attacks beyond the region. They havent proved able to do so yet but this is certainly something theyve aspired to and you may remember the individual who stabbed the british soldier to death several months ago in the u. K. There were also reports that he was attempting to get to al shabaab via kenya in 2010. There are trans nationalal linkages and something the intelligence officials look closely at and the organization is targeting individuals, nations and westerners beyond the boundaries. They also used twitter, getting they are message out even in the midst of this heavy assault, one said what kenyans are witnessing at westgate is a retributions justice for crimes committed by their military. We know theres recruitment online but this use of social media by an al qaeda organization. This is increasingly more common. If youre looking into recruiting, would it be better to send out direct mail or would it be better to use the social media which is the cohort of people trying to use by the cohort of people trying to attract . They have attempted more recently to do recruiting. Just last month it was a 39minute video put out and aired on Minneapolis Television stations which showed three minnesotans died prior to the 2009 but they put them out just last month in order to prove and in order to recruit what was called the road to paradise from the twin cities. They are still trying but the other thing we are told today whereas in 19 in 2006, 2007, there may have been as many as 50 u. S. Passport holders, today that number is down to about 20. And bobby back to the complexity of this attack, the coordinated effort and the world reaction at a time that the u. N. General assembly is happening as i mentioned, the latest remarks from the president secretary kerry saying this is a world issue. What is your assessment of the timing as well as the way this all played out and continued to play out here . I would be surprised if they were aiming this at the u. N. General assembly. I think although it is clear that this was well planned out, you dont get to get into a mall like that with this sort of an attack. This also comes as one other timing element, also comes at a moment when al shabaab is actually weakened over the last couple of years, a consolation of troops, many from kenya have driven al shabaab out of their strongholds including mogadishu. They need something spectacular in order to rouse their own fighters to tell people who send money and weapons around the world to reassure them and to essentially tell everyone were still here, were still capable of doing harm. This is as much to serve their own purposes from several different ways. Thank you. Michael leiter, thank you. Well talk with you as this continues to play out. Well have a live update on whats happening on the ground in 15 minutes. President and first lady arrived in new york a few hours ago. The president is in new york to take part in the United NationsGeneral Assembly which kicks off today. President will address the Assembly Tomorrow in a speech that is expected to focus on the Syrian Crisis and middle east peace talks and Irans Nuclear problem. He is scheduled to meet with several World Leaders including Mahmoud Abaas and ban kimoon. Also let open the possibility for a meeting with the new president of iran. Launching a Major Campaign to get people signed up for obama care, plus, will accused boston bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev face the Death Penalty . Join our conversation on twitter. You can find us at news nation at tamron hall. Ive been a work a long time today. [ male announcer ] now, taking care of things at home is just a tap away. Introducing at t digital life. Personalized Home Security and automation. [ lock clicks ]. 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The white house is launching a campaign intended to defend the president s Signature Health care law. It will include an event tomorrow with bill clinton in new york and speech by the president on thursday as well as messaging from first lady and Vice President joe biden aimed at mothers and vets and nurses. Also, Insurance Companies will spend a billion dollars or more in advertising to convince young people to sign up for the health care law. Liberal advocacy groups will go door to door to drum up support for the law. This as a new cnbc poll shows that americans are opposed to defunding obama care with 44 against it and 38 for it. Opposition is even greater when the issue of shutting down the government and defaulting is included with 59 of americans opposing defunding and just 19 in support. This weekend at the Congressional Black Caucus dinner, the president promised the law is here to stay. This is an interesting thing to ponder. That your top agenda is making sure 20 Million People dont have health insurance. Let me say as clearly as i can, it is not going to happen. We have come too far. The lead writer for the New York Times the caucus blog. Thank you for your time, michael. Happy to do it. Lets talk about this push here. We heard to start this week, i saw an ad a short time ago, but are they banking, meaning the administration, banking on this being effective . After all weve seen different messes and different attempt to educate the public for some time now. I think theres i think its different for two reasons. I think the actual legislation is now going to go into effect the exchanges and insurance marketplaces open up for enrollment on october 1st and theyll start ensuring people on january 1st and banking on the idea once people are insured getting that benefit, that some of those poll numbers will change. Its also the case that their target is more specific this time. They need to convince somebody lying 7 Million People over the course the next six months to actually sign up for insurance for first time. These are the uninsured, the target is 7 Million People in first six months, thats what they are doing, knocking on doors and handing people flyers and advertising for the sole purpose of getting them to go to their computers and pick up the phone and sign up for insurance. Its interesting we talk about polls so much burt the snapshop from cnbc whens its incorporated with a shut down. 59 of americans opposing defundsing the law if it is linked to the government shutdown. Thats all we discussed last week as far as the gop and their strategy. And i think the administration does feel pretty good about where it is on that piece of it, on the political questions of who wins in the event of a shutdown and does the what does the American Public think about the linking of the two issues, where they have a tougher challenge is the overall impression that americans have of obama care which has taken a hit repeatedly over the years since it was approved by republicans and the Administration Still hasnt managed to get the overall numbers up. They think they can do it once the insurance goes into effect. As we know the message with republicans changed from repeal and replace to simply repealing it. We dont have to tell you the number of people uninsured it remains incredible if you do not offer a viable solution for those who have no insurance. I want to discuss this ad we talked about last week and everyone else did, generation opportunity. They distributed a web video, described as creepy and disturbing and ankle sam peering from a woman during a most personal time when shes at the gin kol gifts office. They need 7 million americans enrolled, 2. 7 million need to be young and healthy adults between 18 and 35. Thats the target audience, especially for them, these young people, the invincibles who never signed up for insurance because they think theyll never get sick. The interesting thing about the ad in addition to the creepiness, it specifically comes out at the ends of that web video and says, opt out of obama care. Its really striking because nobody ive talked to can remember a time when quite so much effort has been put in place by the opposition to a law after its been enacted. Theres a lot of fighting qulornt to pass something in congress but once a law is put in place, folks say its in place, implement it. This is one of those where thats not happening. Quickly, michael, back to the ad blitz from the administration. We know the president is excite excellent at becoming folksy and knows how to talk one on one and in a large roomful of people at the plant in the midwest. Will this effort, these ads really break it down so people can feel comfortable and really feel that they are knowledgeable and know what they are signing up for. I guess thats to be seen. The Administration Says that its really trying hard targeting the groups you mentioned and nurses and other folks who can be what they call validators, help explain their family members, youve got to sign up and this is what its all about. And ultimately the Insurance Companies are the ones trying to gets new customers and its in their interest to put up a big ad campaign, this is how this all works. This is what it will get for you. Make it relatable and that people can understand and feel comfortable with what they are signing on to. Thank you very much. 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He was not present this morning as lawyers from both sides discussed how this case will proceed. The decision on the Death Penalty ultimately lies with attorney general eric holder since massachusetts is one ever 18 states that bans the Death Penalty. Boston globe city editor mike bellow joins me now. Prosecutors have until the end of october to make the recommendation to holder. What are attorneys for tsarnaev saying in making their case against it . The attorneys for tsarnaev want more time to look over the evidence and want more time to look at grand jury testimony regarding charges against their client. They claim they want a number of months to decide to make arguments against the federal government charging him with a Death Penalty. They asked for more time today. The judge did not really respond. He did okay the prosecution as you say will make their arguments on the bedeath penalt and there was no Extension Granted at this point although there will be certainly more debate. Another interesting thing is the fact that the change of venue, the judge asked the defense do you want to change the venue in this case and the defense did not immediately answer but that will be a question. Can is tsarnaev get a fair trial in boston because the bombings took place that injured 260 people and killed three people. Its been six months and they believe thats been a reasonable amount of time for attorneys representing tsarnaev to present their case. What i think is intriguing, mike, and what may play out as we wait for the ultimate decision from the department of justice next year, is whether there will be any deal making. We know at least the evidence that has been made public so far and the details that have been made public so far here. Well, that is a good question. Will the defense try to make a deal for him to avoid the Death Penalty. The question is the indications we have are is that they are looking the prosecution is looking at the Death Penalty very seriously. They are going to make a determination whether to push for it in consultation with the victims and there are a lot of victims and theyve been vocal about how they feel about this case. A lot of emotion. I think theyll be much debate but well now really by the push by the end of october whether the feds will push for that and whether eric holder rules on the Death Penalty as well. The indications are i dont see any deal happening in the immediate future. Thank you very much with the boston globe thanks for joining me. We continue to follow that breaking news from kenya, the standoff between Al Qaeda Linked terrorists and Kenyan Military still underway this hour. Well get a live report and new remarks from president aobama coming in. A new endorsement for bill de blasio, just one of the things we thought you should know. Ers e insured with geico. So get a free rate quote today. I love it how much do you love it . Animation is hot. 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I want to express personally my condolences to not only the president who lost family members in the attack but to the kenyan people. We stand with them against this terrible outbreak that occurred. Well provide them whatever Law Enforcement support that is necessary and were confident that kenya, which has been a pillar of stability in eastern africa, will rebuild. But this i think underscores the degree to which all of us as International Community have to stand against the useless violence that these kinds of groups represent and the United States will continue to work with the entire continent of africa sean around the world to make sure that we are dismantling these networks. That was the president just a few minutes ago. Outside the mall in nairobi. We know Authorities Say they have control of all floors in the mall and people wondering if they are going to go in now. Are they certain all of the hostages are out . Reporter well, tamron, we cant be 100 sure but certainly the government here, Army Military officials have been speaking positively about the progress of the operation within last few hours, some saying they are in control of most of the mall and some saying in control of all of the mall. This is a giant complex. They cannot be 100 sure that this standoff situation is over. Earlier they were talking about a final assault and neutralizing the terrorists but we cannot be absolutely sure whether the gunfire weve been hearing through the day, the explosions and thick plumes of black smoke have actually been the sight and sound of the final stage of that operation but certainly consistently government officials in the last hour or so its half past 9 00 here in nairobi have been incredibly positively, suggesting the threeday old standoff may now be in its final phases, tamron. You mentioned the gunfire and we were watching your coverage with our colleague as well and the black plume of smoke. Do you know how long since youve heard gunfire coming from that area . Reporter tamron, its been at least three hours now. We have through the last day really, last 12 hours heard occasional exchanges of gunfire, sudden explosions ringing out from the Shopping Mall a few hundred meters down the road from me. It is currently fairly silent here. This place is surrounded by perhaps hundreds of Kenyan Military personnel and we await further word from the government here who have certainly been indicating that they believe that they at the very least have this situation under control, tamron. Thank you very much. Back to politics here at home, Hillary Clinton opening up about her president ial ambitions, clinton admits shes been avoiding the press since leaving the state department at the end of last year. In her first interview since stepping down she makes it clear that shes considering a 2016 run and tells new york magazi magazine, im prag nettic and realistic and its a serious decision and not one that has to be made soon. Clinton also distances herself somewhat from her boss president obama telling the magazine i feel comfortable praising issues with him even when i disagreed, which obviously occurred because i have my own opinions, my own views. Joining me live now, mark murray. That got a lot of attention from you at the First Read Team and comments made not directly by her but associates who remarked if she does run, it wont be the bill clinton show. Tamron, everyone is under the xpegt tagss shes going to run in 2016. Theres a long time to go between now and the spring of 2015 when the campaigns will be off and running, but the sign ive looked for, if she decides to close the doors in interviews and bodily language with aides and right now that door is wide open for her. And everyone is under that assumption. As regard to former president bill clinton, i think you are right. The totality of that new York Magazine interview was the message of her associate saying if we run in 2016 were going to do it with hillary people, not bill clinton people who ended up staffing a lot of key positions in 2008. I know you know a lot of insiders and get good information living in the town. When she says shes pragmatic and realistic, what is to be i dont want to read too much into it. What do you think she means there . Tamron, i think you can read a lot into those terms. I think pragmatic and realistic is that someone who does feel like they are their partys best chance to continue to be in the white house. I think that a lot of democrats can see that as big time prag ma tix, particularly with the problems that the Republican Party has when it looks at electoral, the president ial future elections with demographics, the partys respective brands, et cetera. I would kind of almost read that into it. But i think the bigger indication was she clearly had an out in interviews to say im not interested in running and dont want to run. She hasnt said that for month. Thats the important takeaway. Thank you very much, mark. Still ahead, a texas grandfather makes a gruesome discovery, his three grandchildren, son and daughterinlaw all killed in an apparent murder suicide. Well have the latest plus the highly anticipated movie blew caprice, depicting the d. C. Sniper attacks hits theaters across the country this month. Go. Well talk with the movies director about his chilling account of what happened. Has its ups and downs. Seasonal. Doesnt begin to describe it. My cashflow can literally change with the weather. Anything that gives me some breathing room makes a big difference. The plum card from American Express gives your business flexibility. Get 1. 5 discount for paying early, or up to 60 days to pay without interest, or both each month. 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What police are investigating as a murder suicide. The bodies of two adults and three children, ages 4, 8 and 10 were found shot to death sunday night in the town of rice, 40 miles south of dallas. Records show the father was previously arrested on a misdemeanor Family Violence charge. Vice President Joe Biden is in colorado to get a firsthand account of the damage from the massive flooding there. The Vice President and dr. Jill biden expected to survey the ongoing Recovery Efforts and meet with the governic jo ior j hickenlooper. More than 2,000 square miles have been damaged and the number of people who died in this flooding now at 8. President obama found himself in a familiar position yesterday of meeting with families after a mass shooting. The president noted it was the fifth time hes had to do this as he delivered remarks during a Memorial Service for the victims of last mondays navy yard shooting. As authorities continue searching for answers as to what drove alexis to carry out the attack. A new movie examines the actions of another shooter, blew caprice depicts the beltway shooting sniper and they did not fit the socalled typical profile of a mass shooter. Also like alexis, mohammed had served in the military. See my son anywhere . Not really your son, is he . What are you doing, dude . How many people have you killed . Im sorry. The sniper must be able to calmly and deliberately call without an apparent reason. The sniper must not be susceptible to emotions such as an anxiety. Go. Go. Blue caprice gives a chilling account of what drove the snipers to carry out the threeweek shooting spree throughout the Nations Capital and examines the relationship between malvo and his dangerous father figure. Thanks for having me. As a reporter i covered the story, and the nation terrified and when these two people emerge ar were eventually caught, there was shock, the backgrounds and relationship and you dig into their story in this film. Why did you want to bring this to the big screen . What really interested me was the father and son relationship that john and lee had. Use that as an analogy to talk about the culture of violence that exists in america and how some things we start breeding this kind of typical violent behavior. When you say the culture of violence in america, you know what happened last week as we pointed out, the president addressing families again following a mass shooting here. Do you expect controversy as you delve into the culture of violence, that it seems to exist, as we debate what to do . I dont expect controversy. I think people have been taking it for what it is, a critical look of this appetite for violence that we have. I think what happened last week is just similarities and same biproduct of the mill tarization and there are accidents happening more and more often unfortunately. You talk about the relationship and we have a clip of mohammed and malvo walking the street and depicting their relationship. He claims he was sexually abused by mohammed and this boy essentially was taken advantage of in many ways physically, emotionally and abused here and pushed to these actions, that he is responsible for and is in prison for. Yeah, absolutely. We didnt know that aspect of the relationship when we shot the film two years ago. So that is not in the film, but the film is quite a fascinating story about manipulation and twisted love between this father and son ultimately a ripping i think basically how this young lee is turning into a child soldier, how do we educate people into accepting violence. Isaiah washington getting critical praise as the movie, won the 2013 sundance category innovative storytelling. Outside of this exploration of why these violent things happen, what do you want people to get out of this film . We witnessed it and lived it and watched it all play out in real time with real video. What does this movie in your opinion do . I think that the movie doesnt have a clear like call to saaction. It is a very open narrative and its so far the response has been amazing but quite different from when i played where they are directly impacted and we played also in france where people knew very little about those facts. So the movie can bring things to people. I really treat it its not a d docudrama, were looking at what is the genesis how a killer is born . Exactly. Thanks for having me. It has been praised the critics and seems stunning and compelling. 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Former secretary of state madeleine al bright is now on twitter. She announced her arrival with this tweet, first of three female secretary of states, last to join twitter, better late than never. Those are the things we thought you should know. Time for the gut check, university of kansas professor has been forced to take a leave of absence after what he says has been a barrage of threats over a tweet he sent that was critical of nra. In the hours after last weeks navy yard shooting, professor david guth tweeted out, blood is on the hands of the hash tag nra. Next time, let it be your sons and daughters. The tweet sparked an online backlash on social media. Many are calling for the professprofess er to be fired. Thanks so much for joining us today. What is your reaction to that tweet . Well, i happen to think hes right and ill take it a step further. As i said on this program in the past after several mass shootings, if 20 members of congress were shot last monday instead of 20 naval officers a few miles away, do you think members of congress would revisit requiring background checks for criminals and the mentally ill. The nra thinks that the that the Second Amendment trumps the first. But the First Amendment is important too. Even if the person disagrees with the nra and they do Like Congress have blood on their hands. But, john, some would say that by all accounts in the reporting here there were a number of red flags, chuck hakle even makes that point from Mental Health issues to whether or not information was passed along. Clear information that this man was beyond troubled and potentially a danger there. Would that still be applicable to those who have known he was troubled and violent . I think so. He was shooting guns off multiple times in public and arrested for it. That information should be push lick. We have a gun epidemic in america that results in 87 dead people every day, 20,000 since sandy hook. Im a gun owner, we have to start addressing Mental Health as a potential barrier to buying high powered weapons. But the nra they have not objected to Mental Health legislation, theyve not been 100 supportive of it either but in addition to the nra, you do have Health Advocates who say they have privacy concerns. I guess my question is, when youre singling out the nra and it says let it be your sons and daughters, that some people believe that was a cross of the line. Well, i mean, is it across the line when a rock shock radio host like pete san tilli has the nra board member and ted nugent from the gun Owners League of america saying the bush family and obama family and Hillary Clintons crotch should be shot. This is a dialogue that we need to have in this country about whos responsible for gun violence. And the nras money is responsible for corrupting congress and congress is to blame for not requiring background checks for all private gun sales including at gun shows and internet and private dealers so you can find out if somebody is mentally illinois. John rosenthal, thank you. Go to facebook. Com newsnation so cast your vote. The cycle is up next. If you have the nerve to believe that in a puzzling financial world, clarity is king. [ man ] if you believe nothing beats a sitdown for knowing where you stand. [ male announcer ] join the nearly 7 million investors who think like you do face time and think time make a difference. Join us. [ male announcer ] for 90 years, its how edward jones has made sense of investing. [ male announcer ] for 90 years, nascar is ab. Out excitement but tracking all the action and hearing everything from our marketing partners, the media and millions of fans on social media can be a challenge. 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