for your next assignment. i suspect, according to people who know her well and know her career, that she is going to leave the state department, but wants to leave on good terms and wants to make sure that people under her do not get retaliated against. >> all right, what about pompeo's deputy? he was supposed to be on this list, too. are we ever going to hear from him? >> that is -- that is unclear at this point. now, the -- the counselor, if you are talking -- >> how many of these folks are we going to see and how many won't? obviously the ambassador wants to testify. she's making the effort to do this. so far, nobody does other than volker. is that pompeo going to be that shield? >> yes, i think the short answer is yes, especially for his counselor. his counselor was his classmate at west point, then in kansas, went into business with him, funded, i should say, by the koch brothers. this was a defense contact there, electronics, i believe, when he was in kansas, part of