airspace to kind of full-on jet fighters. >> drones. >> and we have seen in the world today in a number of battle spaces around the world how effective drones can be. >> looking back to your time as national security advisor in the obama administration, looking back through the lens of today, should the obama administration have been more aggressive in protecting ukraine? >> mika, i think there's been an evolution here. this is a continuum for putin. i think it probably was the case we should have looked harder and supplied more weaponry to defend ukraine. but the interesting thing is that, you know, i was with putin the friday night before he came into his second time around and it was clear then that he -- he was going to take russia in a different direction. he was not interested in integration of russia in the west anymore. he was going to define russian policy kind of in opposition to the west, right. we saw that building over time. this is a continuum. if you go back and look at georgia, syria, the poisoning in
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