airspace to kind of full-on jet fighters. drones. and we have seen in the world today in a number of battle spaces around the world how effective drones can be. looking back to your time as national security advisor in the obama administration, looking back through the lens of today, should the obama administration have been more aggressive in protecting ukraine? mika, i think there s been an evolution here. this is a continuum for putin. i think it probably was the case we should have looked harder and supplied more weaponry to defend ukraine. but the interesting thing is that, you know, i was with putin the friday night before he came into his second time around and it was clear then that he he was going to take russia in a different direction. he was not interested in integration of russia in the west anymore. he was going to define russian policy kind of in opposition to the west, right. we saw that building over time. this is a continuum. if you go back and look at georg
the uk, crimea, eastern ukraine. so it has been kind of an increasingly brazen set of hostile acts against the united states. so we have to go to break but i just have to ask you, the trump administration, when donald trump unilaterally moved 2,500 u.s. troops out of syria that was holding off the russians, holding off the iranians, holding off the turks, holding off assad, helping well, destroying isis, how much of a mistake was that? how much did donald trump retreating from that small footprint in syria after they had killed actually 300 russians who tried to rush them, how big a mistake was that? we heard fiona hill talking about donald trump using military supplies as sort of a play thing this past weekend.
reports they sent a lot of shock troops from moscow and other places here to do crowd control, but also if they come up with conscription, if you see the russian government call for conscription mostly the lower class is what ends up participating in the russian army. if it starts trickling into the middle class you will have a very dynamic situation in russia that will send a shock wave back through a country that doesn t understand what is going on here right now. clint watts, thank you very much. joining us to talk about all of this former u.s. ambassador to european bill taylor and former national security advisor in the obama administration, tom donelin. i m curious from both of you from what we have heard, the issue with the planes, getting planes into ukraine, whether strategic or organizational, what other arms is it possible to get in the hands of these ukrainians, not days from now,
that they are aware who al-baghdadi is and what just happened. i m not convinced many have a clue what the story was, are you? i m not convinced they were georgetown students, oh, my god, martha, who could ever could kill a leader of isis. martha: without [bleep]. that was really bad. those are the best and the brightest. here is the deal, we know he was not on seal team six, we know that. he is the commander in chief. he gives the orders. the military executes the orders. he ran on destroying isis and he did it appear they were saying anybody could have done it. barack obama could have done it but he didn t do it. remember he didn t have a strategy. he said he didn t have a strategy. maybe if they had spend more time trying to kill isis instead of setting up trump or rush of collusion, they would have gotten all the credit that they want. martha: i mean, to me this
mitch mcconnell, to see chuck schumer out there yelling at the executive, why don t you just expand and start a new war in syria over a different fight with a nato ally? when they are too afraid to take a vote on it? harris: chris, can i just ask you our relationship with the kurds. i know they are not nato allies, but they helped put thousands of ices fighters either in the ground or in a jail cell. chris: they did. we should let them do that more. harris: but we took our people out. i know the president said there were a few troops, not more than a few hundred of them come up now we are moving them compose the out of syria. we want to put on sanctions. is this too much after the fact? should there have been the different move here? chris: it s hard to. this would be a complete bait and switch. it s very common in d.c. the kurds have fought courageously alongside united states troops. they were also fighting for their homeland against somebody invading their own land, isis